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An edit that appears to take issue with the idea that the Anglo Saxons founded England was reverted, restored and reverted again. I had almost reverted the edit earlier, based purely on the initial edsum: Celtic genetics did not become widespread in the English gene pool until the late 9th century during the period of the Danish invasions and the formation of the Kingdom of England. Anglo-Saxon identity was already well established by that point.
Debatable as the information there may be, I was also confused as to how we got from the edsum to the edit. Before any more edit warring ensues you might want to explain exactly what you are attempting here, but that and your (also reverted) ideas on language do suggest a certain amount of
WP:OR, and indeed
WP:SYNTH is going on here. Let's stick to the sources, and indeed, the editor consensus and leave it as it is please.
Sirfurboy🏄 (
talk) 18:10, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
I'm not entirely sure, but would the English to be considered a Germanic people, such as the Germans and the Dutch etc. O Lourde ( talk) 01:46, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
It makes it seem as if Islam and Judaism are major religions comparable in size and influence to Christianity among religions that native Englishmen follow, Islam and Judaism are practised by Migrants and their descendants in England, a negligible amount of Ethnic English people follow these religions
The above sections on English diaspora are obviously talking about the English people, the ethnic group, where as the religion section includes migrants and their religions too
I think it should be clarified Auspol4 ( talk) 11:07, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
I believe "Englishman" should be added as a demonym for England.
It's my understanding that the demonym in the article, "English", is used only as an uncountable noun, and refers to English people in general, as in, "The English and Their History", and is incorrect as a countable noun: *"I'm an English". In the countable sense, I only see "Englishman", as in "I'm an Englishman in New York". I searched the archive and found no mention of "Englishman" as a topic of discussion (only used as a demonym), and any reputable dictionary defines "Englishman" as a demonym. I'm often wrong about these ideas on Wikipedia, and I don't trust myself to twiddle with templates, so I haven't made the edit myself, but I hope someone either does so, or explains why it shouldn't be on the main page. Atkinson ( talk) 06:13, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
Irish immigration should be included in English ethnogenesis. 10% of Britain has Irish ancestry, a majority of that in England. 2603:8000:CF01:6AAD:255A:5E7C:CBA9:478C ( talk) 14:29, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
Due to sustained and sometimes mass emigration of the Irish, current estimates indicate that around 6 million people in the UK have at least one grandparent born in the Republic of Ireland.[87]DeCausa ( talk) 15:20, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
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An edit that appears to take issue with the idea that the Anglo Saxons founded England was reverted, restored and reverted again. I had almost reverted the edit earlier, based purely on the initial edsum: Celtic genetics did not become widespread in the English gene pool until the late 9th century during the period of the Danish invasions and the formation of the Kingdom of England. Anglo-Saxon identity was already well established by that point.
Debatable as the information there may be, I was also confused as to how we got from the edsum to the edit. Before any more edit warring ensues you might want to explain exactly what you are attempting here, but that and your (also reverted) ideas on language do suggest a certain amount of
WP:OR, and indeed
WP:SYNTH is going on here. Let's stick to the sources, and indeed, the editor consensus and leave it as it is please.
Sirfurboy🏄 (
talk) 18:10, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
I'm not entirely sure, but would the English to be considered a Germanic people, such as the Germans and the Dutch etc. O Lourde ( talk) 01:46, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
It makes it seem as if Islam and Judaism are major religions comparable in size and influence to Christianity among religions that native Englishmen follow, Islam and Judaism are practised by Migrants and their descendants in England, a negligible amount of Ethnic English people follow these religions
The above sections on English diaspora are obviously talking about the English people, the ethnic group, where as the religion section includes migrants and their religions too
I think it should be clarified Auspol4 ( talk) 11:07, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
I believe "Englishman" should be added as a demonym for England.
It's my understanding that the demonym in the article, "English", is used only as an uncountable noun, and refers to English people in general, as in, "The English and Their History", and is incorrect as a countable noun: *"I'm an English". In the countable sense, I only see "Englishman", as in "I'm an Englishman in New York". I searched the archive and found no mention of "Englishman" as a topic of discussion (only used as a demonym), and any reputable dictionary defines "Englishman" as a demonym. I'm often wrong about these ideas on Wikipedia, and I don't trust myself to twiddle with templates, so I haven't made the edit myself, but I hope someone either does so, or explains why it shouldn't be on the main page. Atkinson ( talk) 06:13, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
Irish immigration should be included in English ethnogenesis. 10% of Britain has Irish ancestry, a majority of that in England. 2603:8000:CF01:6AAD:255A:5E7C:CBA9:478C ( talk) 14:29, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
Due to sustained and sometimes mass emigration of the Irish, current estimates indicate that around 6 million people in the UK have at least one grandparent born in the Republic of Ireland.[87]DeCausa ( talk) 15:20, 20 January 2024 (UTC)