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An image of some sort would be nice -- does anyone know of any? JKillah 00:35, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
Should maybe some poems or at least links to poems be placed here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.71.12.236 ( talk • contribs)
One Art
The art of losing isn't hard to master;
so many things seem filled with the intent
to be lost that their loss is no disaster.
Lose something every day. Accept the fluster
of lost door keys, the hour badly spent.
The art of losing isn't hard to master.
Then practice losing farther, losing faster:
places, and names, and where it was you meant
to travel. None of these will bring disaster.
I lost my mother's watch. And look! my last, or
next-to-last, of three loved houses went.
The art of losing isn't hard to master.
I lost two cities, lovely ones. And, vaster,
some realms I owned, two rivers, a continent.
I miss them, but it wasn't a disaster.
---Even losing you (the joking voice, a gesture
I love) I shan't have lied. It's evident
the art of losing's not too hard to master
though it may look like (Write it!) like disaster.
-- Elizabeth Bishop
Informing the public that Louise Crane was Bishop's "first lover" seems a bit odd for encylcopedia article. Where is the reference? Where is the relevance? Some other bits that strike me as too interpretative for an encylcopedia article:
"Randall Jarrell — then the most important poetry critic in America " Jarrell has his own Wikipedia entry, so we should link to that and leave the interpretation to the reader
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randall_Jarrell
"she fell in love "
"Careful reading of her work, however, reveals a sharp confessional edge: her life story is told through poems which, though nominally addressing and describing other subject matter, including paintings and tourist destinations, in fact speak to true events (and to her, and the reader's, underlying existential states)."
"Bishop's corpus of published poetry is somewhat smaller than that of her contemporaries. This was the result of her perfectionism, however, rather than a lack of offers to print her work. Although her Complete Poems is a relatively slim volume, the quality of the poems and their continuing influence have far exceeded the book's length."
I propose the changes listed above. discussion?
Bsharvy 02:15, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
The influences boxes on poets and philosophers are usually kept clean. However, I've noticed that sometimes otherwise irrelevant names get inserted there. In the case of Elizabeth Bishop, it is the influence on Eric Van. Presumably the influence is intended to be poetic, because Bishop was a poet. Eric Van is not a respected poet. I tried to remove his name, but one of his dozen or so lackies ensured that this was quickly undone on that basis that he was a student of hers. She had many students, only a handful of whom are famous, and only a small portion of those are poets--it is this latter very small portion that deserves to be in the influence box, surely. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.101.255.103 ( talk) 08:58, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
I tried to edit this once, but it was undone, so I'll at least bring it up for discussion. There are gaping problems with the sentence "She is considered one of the finest 20th century poets to have written in English," such as:
Unless these points can be addressed, I'll continue to believe that the sentence is a subjective statement propped up by weasel words. So I'll delete the sentence again. I'll give it up if a reasonable counterpoint can be posted. Hmmmmm382 04:41, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
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What was the comparison with Bishops poem and Daphne Beals short story. Or how does the sentence of Beal , Lucky as I have always been in my life, I lost something too" related to Elizabeth Bishop's poem. I need some answers, some feedback. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.197.103.180 ( talk) 17:35, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
I suggest the creation of a new section of this article that focuses on Bishop's writing. It should outline her publication history, public recognition (awards, posts, etc.), and her development as a writer. Anyone have any thoughts on this idea? Jpcohen ( talk) 04:58, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Something about how her asthetics and observations reveals personality better than confessional poetry.I rummaged this up:
"We do not read her to discover the details of her biography, yet I feel that we end up knowing her— and I feel it all the more intensely in Key West, every time I walk past that little house, tucked behind the pandanus bush— better than many poets who set out to inform us about the particulars of their lives." [1] Humanpublic ( talk) 17:49, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
I don't have time to read this whole article right now, but this is a good quote:
"Bishop often expressed concern that she did not have a defined poetic voice. When once asked if she had “always had a true sense of your poetic voice,” Bishop responded, “No, I haven’t. This used to bother me a great deal and still does … I was worried that none of the poems went together, that there was no discernible theme” (Johnson 102)." [2] Humanpublic ( talk) 19:10, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
The inheritance from her father is described as
<ref Name="ParisR"/>
and
<ref>Schwartz, Tony.
[3]…</ref>
These give the impression of a sizeable income that lasted her whole life, or nearly so (which?). But the Paris Review interview ("ParisR") says (boldface added)
I'm adjusting the wording to remove the false impression. -- Thnidu ( talk) 17:03, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
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To-do list for Elizabeth Bishop: This is a Wikipedia:WikiProject LGBT studies collaboration as per the LGBT studies Newsletter of December 2007. The aim is to get the article, first to GA Status then to FA Status. Here are some of the tasks you can do. Feel free to strike through anything that is completed.
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An image of some sort would be nice -- does anyone know of any? JKillah 00:35, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
Should maybe some poems or at least links to poems be placed here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.71.12.236 ( talk • contribs)
One Art
The art of losing isn't hard to master;
so many things seem filled with the intent
to be lost that their loss is no disaster.
Lose something every day. Accept the fluster
of lost door keys, the hour badly spent.
The art of losing isn't hard to master.
Then practice losing farther, losing faster:
places, and names, and where it was you meant
to travel. None of these will bring disaster.
I lost my mother's watch. And look! my last, or
next-to-last, of three loved houses went.
The art of losing isn't hard to master.
I lost two cities, lovely ones. And, vaster,
some realms I owned, two rivers, a continent.
I miss them, but it wasn't a disaster.
---Even losing you (the joking voice, a gesture
I love) I shan't have lied. It's evident
the art of losing's not too hard to master
though it may look like (Write it!) like disaster.
-- Elizabeth Bishop
Informing the public that Louise Crane was Bishop's "first lover" seems a bit odd for encylcopedia article. Where is the reference? Where is the relevance? Some other bits that strike me as too interpretative for an encylcopedia article:
"Randall Jarrell — then the most important poetry critic in America " Jarrell has his own Wikipedia entry, so we should link to that and leave the interpretation to the reader
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randall_Jarrell
"she fell in love "
"Careful reading of her work, however, reveals a sharp confessional edge: her life story is told through poems which, though nominally addressing and describing other subject matter, including paintings and tourist destinations, in fact speak to true events (and to her, and the reader's, underlying existential states)."
"Bishop's corpus of published poetry is somewhat smaller than that of her contemporaries. This was the result of her perfectionism, however, rather than a lack of offers to print her work. Although her Complete Poems is a relatively slim volume, the quality of the poems and their continuing influence have far exceeded the book's length."
I propose the changes listed above. discussion?
Bsharvy 02:15, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
The influences boxes on poets and philosophers are usually kept clean. However, I've noticed that sometimes otherwise irrelevant names get inserted there. In the case of Elizabeth Bishop, it is the influence on Eric Van. Presumably the influence is intended to be poetic, because Bishop was a poet. Eric Van is not a respected poet. I tried to remove his name, but one of his dozen or so lackies ensured that this was quickly undone on that basis that he was a student of hers. She had many students, only a handful of whom are famous, and only a small portion of those are poets--it is this latter very small portion that deserves to be in the influence box, surely. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.101.255.103 ( talk) 08:58, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
I tried to edit this once, but it was undone, so I'll at least bring it up for discussion. There are gaping problems with the sentence "She is considered one of the finest 20th century poets to have written in English," such as:
Unless these points can be addressed, I'll continue to believe that the sentence is a subjective statement propped up by weasel words. So I'll delete the sentence again. I'll give it up if a reasonable counterpoint can be posted. Hmmmmm382 04:41, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
This article has been reverted by a bot to this version as part of a large-scale clean-up project of multiple article copyright infringement. (See the investigation subpage) This has been done to remove User:Accotink2's contributions as they have a history of extensive copyright violation and so it is assumed that all of their major contributions are copyright violations. Earlier text must not be restored, unless it can be verified to be free of infringement. For legal reasons, Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material; such additions must be deleted. Contributors may use sources as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences or phrases. Accordingly, the material may be rewritten, but only if it does not infringe on the copyright of the original or plagiarize from that source. Please see our guideline on non-free text for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously. VWBot ( talk) 05:42, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
What was the comparison with Bishops poem and Daphne Beals short story. Or how does the sentence of Beal , Lucky as I have always been in my life, I lost something too" related to Elizabeth Bishop's poem. I need some answers, some feedback. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.197.103.180 ( talk) 17:35, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
I suggest the creation of a new section of this article that focuses on Bishop's writing. It should outline her publication history, public recognition (awards, posts, etc.), and her development as a writer. Anyone have any thoughts on this idea? Jpcohen ( talk) 04:58, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Something about how her asthetics and observations reveals personality better than confessional poetry.I rummaged this up:
"We do not read her to discover the details of her biography, yet I feel that we end up knowing her— and I feel it all the more intensely in Key West, every time I walk past that little house, tucked behind the pandanus bush— better than many poets who set out to inform us about the particulars of their lives." [1] Humanpublic ( talk) 17:49, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
I don't have time to read this whole article right now, but this is a good quote:
"Bishop often expressed concern that she did not have a defined poetic voice. When once asked if she had “always had a true sense of your poetic voice,” Bishop responded, “No, I haven’t. This used to bother me a great deal and still does … I was worried that none of the poems went together, that there was no discernible theme” (Johnson 102)." [2] Humanpublic ( talk) 19:10, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
The inheritance from her father is described as
<ref Name="ParisR"/>
and
<ref>Schwartz, Tony.
[3]…</ref>
These give the impression of a sizeable income that lasted her whole life, or nearly so (which?). But the Paris Review interview ("ParisR") says (boldface added)
I'm adjusting the wording to remove the false impression. -- Thnidu ( talk) 17:03, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
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