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Im confused by two daughters born May 1271 (7th and 8th children) - were they twins? Do the two entries refer to one child?
The dates originally reported in this article were erroneous. The daughter born in 1271 died in infancy. Joan of Acre was born sometime in 1272, not 1271. Some authorities claim Eleanor of Castile did have twin daughters, but there is no proof that she did. Regards, John Carmi Parsons.
To say that Eleanor was "born in Castile, Spain" is very much like saying George Washington was born in Virginia, USA.-- Wetman ( talk) 21:08, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
What is the provenance of the picture of Eleanor? It's very unlikely that it is anywhere near contemporary; are there actually any 13th century depictions or descriptions of her? TheOneOnTheLeft ( talk) 13:44, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
Why does the page currently state that Harby is 'less than 22 miles from Lincoln'? It is considerably less than 10 miles from Lincoln. 82.7.138.114 ( talk) 01:00, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
The article goes to great lengths to establish the date of her birth as late 1241, yet the side box, introduction and birth year index were all edited to show it as 1244 in October 2014. I have therefore corrected these dates to 1241, which means they are in line with the article's own evidence. Presumably, anyone wishing to revert this change will provide evidence that the birth was in 1244 rather than the commonly accepted 1241.
Her date of birth is sometimes given as 1244, following Agnes Strickland, in her "Lives of the Queens of England" (volume 2, 1841), who states, without showing evidence, that Eleanor was "about ten" at the time of her marriage. The number of candles used in the 1291 commemorative procession, described in the birth section, shows this can't be true. The date of birth of her first, stillborn, child in May 1255 is further evidence. She is highly unlikely to have become pregnant at the age of nine or ten, though twelve or thirteen is perfectly likely. Cliff ( talk) 11:52, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
Eleanor, the photograph of the statue appears to have been uploaded in breach of copyright, and a deletion notice has been tagged to the file on the Commons. Images used on the wiki need to be correctly tagged with their copyright status, and this one isn't. Hchc2009 ( talk) 11:37, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
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I have expanded the historical legacy section to reflect Eleanor's changing reputation since 1290; particularly to reflect the her status (surprising, post-Strickland) as a grand guignol villain in Elizabethan theatre (George Peele's Edward I) and balladry.
Sources are:
So she took the land of one rich guy who happened to be a Jew. She was unpopular for taking land from multiple rich guys who were not Jews. Yet the first somehow justifies a blanket accusation of antisemitism? How do we know she seized the land of that guy because he was a Jew, and not because he was rich?
...was imprisoned in the Tower of London under writ of the Great Seal. Later on he was in arrears with tallage-payments, his son was arrested as a hostage, and the king confiscated a number of his bonds. He died at the close of 1279, what was left of his estate having been bestowed by the king on Queen Eleanor
217.41.77.102 ( talk) 13:51, 21 October 2019 (UTC)Many of the Jews left England because they were unable to continue their business and it was around this time (in 1264) that Jacob of Oxford sold two buildings to Walter de Merton for the establishment of Merton College. (The original documents detailing this transaction still exist in Merton's Muniment Tower). Queen Eleanor of Castile, Edward I's wife, claimed the entire estate of Jacob of Oxford, the most important Jewish financier of the mid-13th century.
This article needs additional citations for verification. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed. Help me please -- 👀Gremista.32 ( talk) 22:51, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
Not only does it lack citations, but it reads like it was written by people who are fans of Eleanor. I'm not sure how best to address this tbh. If I get time I will add some cited information on the bits I know about relating to her abuse of Jewish loans etc. Jim Killock (talk) 12:39, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
I have this to see what it says, I really cannot take it seriously. Although it isn't all wrong, there's plenty in there that is true, her assessment of Eleanor seems way off the mark. She is not a trained historian (nor is Lisa Hilton but she is more level headed). A lot of the material on this page seems to have come from Sara Cockerill, on whom all I can say is, Prince Andrew better hope she's picked if he ever gets taken to court. I am inclined to ignore the book's views and remove any material that comes solely from her, excepting perhaps something at the end regarding opinions. Let me know if this seems wrong. Jim Killock (talk) 00:16, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
The page is down to about six missing references for statement that are mostly hard to cut or lose without losing something (eg, the forms of her name; that she was buried at a different location to her current tomb). If anyone can help with any of these I would be very grateful. Jim Killock (talk) 12:13, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
These from reading are missing and should be added:
Jim Killock (talk) 00:05, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
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Im confused by two daughters born May 1271 (7th and 8th children) - were they twins? Do the two entries refer to one child?
The dates originally reported in this article were erroneous. The daughter born in 1271 died in infancy. Joan of Acre was born sometime in 1272, not 1271. Some authorities claim Eleanor of Castile did have twin daughters, but there is no proof that she did. Regards, John Carmi Parsons.
To say that Eleanor was "born in Castile, Spain" is very much like saying George Washington was born in Virginia, USA.-- Wetman ( talk) 21:08, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
What is the provenance of the picture of Eleanor? It's very unlikely that it is anywhere near contemporary; are there actually any 13th century depictions or descriptions of her? TheOneOnTheLeft ( talk) 13:44, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
Why does the page currently state that Harby is 'less than 22 miles from Lincoln'? It is considerably less than 10 miles from Lincoln. 82.7.138.114 ( talk) 01:00, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
The article goes to great lengths to establish the date of her birth as late 1241, yet the side box, introduction and birth year index were all edited to show it as 1244 in October 2014. I have therefore corrected these dates to 1241, which means they are in line with the article's own evidence. Presumably, anyone wishing to revert this change will provide evidence that the birth was in 1244 rather than the commonly accepted 1241.
Her date of birth is sometimes given as 1244, following Agnes Strickland, in her "Lives of the Queens of England" (volume 2, 1841), who states, without showing evidence, that Eleanor was "about ten" at the time of her marriage. The number of candles used in the 1291 commemorative procession, described in the birth section, shows this can't be true. The date of birth of her first, stillborn, child in May 1255 is further evidence. She is highly unlikely to have become pregnant at the age of nine or ten, though twelve or thirteen is perfectly likely. Cliff ( talk) 11:52, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
Eleanor, the photograph of the statue appears to have been uploaded in breach of copyright, and a deletion notice has been tagged to the file on the Commons. Images used on the wiki need to be correctly tagged with their copyright status, and this one isn't. Hchc2009 ( talk) 11:37, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
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I have expanded the historical legacy section to reflect Eleanor's changing reputation since 1290; particularly to reflect the her status (surprising, post-Strickland) as a grand guignol villain in Elizabethan theatre (George Peele's Edward I) and balladry.
Sources are:
So she took the land of one rich guy who happened to be a Jew. She was unpopular for taking land from multiple rich guys who were not Jews. Yet the first somehow justifies a blanket accusation of antisemitism? How do we know she seized the land of that guy because he was a Jew, and not because he was rich?
...was imprisoned in the Tower of London under writ of the Great Seal. Later on he was in arrears with tallage-payments, his son was arrested as a hostage, and the king confiscated a number of his bonds. He died at the close of 1279, what was left of his estate having been bestowed by the king on Queen Eleanor
217.41.77.102 ( talk) 13:51, 21 October 2019 (UTC)Many of the Jews left England because they were unable to continue their business and it was around this time (in 1264) that Jacob of Oxford sold two buildings to Walter de Merton for the establishment of Merton College. (The original documents detailing this transaction still exist in Merton's Muniment Tower). Queen Eleanor of Castile, Edward I's wife, claimed the entire estate of Jacob of Oxford, the most important Jewish financier of the mid-13th century.
This article needs additional citations for verification. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed. Help me please -- 👀Gremista.32 ( talk) 22:51, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
Not only does it lack citations, but it reads like it was written by people who are fans of Eleanor. I'm not sure how best to address this tbh. If I get time I will add some cited information on the bits I know about relating to her abuse of Jewish loans etc. Jim Killock (talk) 12:39, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
I have this to see what it says, I really cannot take it seriously. Although it isn't all wrong, there's plenty in there that is true, her assessment of Eleanor seems way off the mark. She is not a trained historian (nor is Lisa Hilton but she is more level headed). A lot of the material on this page seems to have come from Sara Cockerill, on whom all I can say is, Prince Andrew better hope she's picked if he ever gets taken to court. I am inclined to ignore the book's views and remove any material that comes solely from her, excepting perhaps something at the end regarding opinions. Let me know if this seems wrong. Jim Killock (talk) 00:16, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
The page is down to about six missing references for statement that are mostly hard to cut or lose without losing something (eg, the forms of her name; that she was buried at a different location to her current tomb). If anyone can help with any of these I would be very grateful. Jim Killock (talk) 12:13, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
These from reading are missing and should be added:
Jim Killock (talk) 00:05, 8 February 2024 (UTC)