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This article is on film, television and radio drama. As it excludes the theatre it is not on the genre. To add to the confusion there is another article drama, which focusses on the theatre.
It also overlaps with other existing articles, including Radio drama and Television play, though most of the content deals with film. Perhaps this article should just focus on films? Does it need it re-naming: Say Drama, film or Drama (film and television)? Rwood128 ( talk) 20:47, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
I think we should decide here what exactly the modern genre "drama" (defined by serious/heavy tone and often realism) includes in order to clarify our first sentence. Right now, we only say it is a genre of television program and film. Is it not also a genre of radio program and even theatre? (I realize the latter two have the capacity to become confusing. Radio drama is its own article already, but then why should that stop us from being clear on this article? As for theatrical plays, I've also heard of them called dramas to refer to their genre, as is sometimes used, for example, to describe more heavy-toned plays by the likes of Williams, Miller, Ibsen, etc. etc.) What are people's thoughts? Wolfdog ( talk) 18:37, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
I suggest that a more appropriate title would be A drama: genre fiction Is this acceptable? Rwood128 ( talk) 10:55, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
What about Drama: the modern genre? Rwood128 ( talk) 09:34, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
I have suggested on the Drama Talk page that the merge proposal should be withdrawn. Rwood128 ( talk) 11:50, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus — Amakuru ( talk) 09:58, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
Drama (film and television) →
Drama (genre) – There is so much disagreement over what should be the name of this article, but I think this name is best suited.
Kailash29792 (
talk) 05:44, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
Comment : I've re-written the lede and purged the great quantity of unsourced original research, which was of a fairly low quality throughout, mostly consisting of vague statements about cinema in general with the term "dramatic" pinned on. As a Google Books search will confirm to anyone who want to examine it more closely, the term "drama film" isn't a scholarly one--you'll be hard-pressed to find a substantial definition anywhere. I've re-written the lede to reflect that. I've also tried to clarify the relationship between the term as used here and the broader term drama, which some earlier discussions seemed to think were two distinct things (they're not, but neither are they identical). "Drama" is also a genre within the broader type of storytelling "drama"--which, with the re-write, is why I would suggest the proposed move wouldn't be appropriate. If you look at Raymond Williams' work, for example, you'll see that both drama and this article can be described as genres, but in different senses or at different levels. • DP • {huh?} 16:56, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
Just to flag up, without being able to fix it. From the research I did before trying to improve this article, it's clear that many of the definitions here and in their respective articles are in dire need of work. I glanced at melodrama and costume drama, both of which have unsourced definitions that contradict what the scholarly sources I read say. • DP • {huh?} 17:07, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( non-admin closure) GeoffreyT2000 ( talk, contribs) 04:36, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
Drama (film and television) → Drama (film and TV) – Other articles use TV, not television. 31.53.108.231 ( talk) 09:10, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( non-admin closure) Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga ( talk • mail) 04:00, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
Drama (film and television) → Drama (media genre) – More simple title, and it could also accommodate "web series" (such as Netflix originals). --Let There Be Sunshine 07:05, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
Having never heard this term and having asked several people and had all of them draw a blank I'm tempted to remover the sentence "If they are targeted to a male audience, then they are called "guy cry" films." from the article. Having looked for it I can only find reference to the term in the title's of watchMojo videos on youtube. I would argue that shouldn't warrant a suitable source for such a declarative statement. 194.66.201.11 ( talk) 11:51, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
With the ongoing debate and reassessment of racial policies across the board, wouldn't it behoove Wikipedia to also remove Gone with the Wind as 'the' example of a film drama, because of its racial content? -- Sabre Runner ( talk) 07:31, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
Per MOS:LINKSTYLE, section headers should not be linked. There should be a {{ main article}} or {{ see also}} link below the header, with a summary of what the page is that you're linking to. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 16:21, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
move 41.222.181.151 ( talk) 06:54, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
i have a few questions that might affect quite a few pages, particularly related to TV, film, and drama.
Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Words to watch#Editorializing says we should not presume too much about the reader's knowledge and perspective.
Wiktionary's page on drama includes a situation in real life that has the characteristics of a theatrical play as a possible definition. While not the primary topic, should Wikipedia's drama and drama (disambiguation) pages acknowledge drama can be non-fiction? See also dramatization and docudrama.
As a genre, is drama always fiction by definition? Should we assume readers know that a drama is fiction? Is the non-fiction Cops (TV program) a cop drama, or might someone call it that by mistake? Our page on The Irrational calls the TV show a crime drama based on a non-fiction book. If readers know some dramas are fiction and some dramas are non-fiction, they might reasonably assume a drama based on a non-fiction book is also non-fiction. Also, crime drama redirects to crime film, and i assume Wikipedia does not count The Irrational or any other TV shows as films/movies/motion pictures, even if a TV show consists of moving pictures (which may be filmed with or without using actual film). Should the crime film article be renamed and edited (crudely, maybe just replace every use of the word film with the phrase film or TV show)?
There are lots of drama articles (namely subgenres) i have not even seen but might need edits in similar fashion.
-- 173.67.42.107 ( talk) 22:01, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
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This article is on film, television and radio drama. As it excludes the theatre it is not on the genre. To add to the confusion there is another article drama, which focusses on the theatre.
It also overlaps with other existing articles, including Radio drama and Television play, though most of the content deals with film. Perhaps this article should just focus on films? Does it need it re-naming: Say Drama, film or Drama (film and television)? Rwood128 ( talk) 20:47, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
I think we should decide here what exactly the modern genre "drama" (defined by serious/heavy tone and often realism) includes in order to clarify our first sentence. Right now, we only say it is a genre of television program and film. Is it not also a genre of radio program and even theatre? (I realize the latter two have the capacity to become confusing. Radio drama is its own article already, but then why should that stop us from being clear on this article? As for theatrical plays, I've also heard of them called dramas to refer to their genre, as is sometimes used, for example, to describe more heavy-toned plays by the likes of Williams, Miller, Ibsen, etc. etc.) What are people's thoughts? Wolfdog ( talk) 18:37, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
I suggest that a more appropriate title would be A drama: genre fiction Is this acceptable? Rwood128 ( talk) 10:55, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
What about Drama: the modern genre? Rwood128 ( talk) 09:34, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
I have suggested on the Drama Talk page that the merge proposal should be withdrawn. Rwood128 ( talk) 11:50, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus — Amakuru ( talk) 09:58, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
Drama (film and television) →
Drama (genre) – There is so much disagreement over what should be the name of this article, but I think this name is best suited.
Kailash29792 (
talk) 05:44, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
Comment : I've re-written the lede and purged the great quantity of unsourced original research, which was of a fairly low quality throughout, mostly consisting of vague statements about cinema in general with the term "dramatic" pinned on. As a Google Books search will confirm to anyone who want to examine it more closely, the term "drama film" isn't a scholarly one--you'll be hard-pressed to find a substantial definition anywhere. I've re-written the lede to reflect that. I've also tried to clarify the relationship between the term as used here and the broader term drama, which some earlier discussions seemed to think were two distinct things (they're not, but neither are they identical). "Drama" is also a genre within the broader type of storytelling "drama"--which, with the re-write, is why I would suggest the proposed move wouldn't be appropriate. If you look at Raymond Williams' work, for example, you'll see that both drama and this article can be described as genres, but in different senses or at different levels. • DP • {huh?} 16:56, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
Just to flag up, without being able to fix it. From the research I did before trying to improve this article, it's clear that many of the definitions here and in their respective articles are in dire need of work. I glanced at melodrama and costume drama, both of which have unsourced definitions that contradict what the scholarly sources I read say. • DP • {huh?} 17:07, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( non-admin closure) GeoffreyT2000 ( talk, contribs) 04:36, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
Drama (film and television) → Drama (film and TV) – Other articles use TV, not television. 31.53.108.231 ( talk) 09:10, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( non-admin closure) Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga ( talk • mail) 04:00, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
Drama (film and television) → Drama (media genre) – More simple title, and it could also accommodate "web series" (such as Netflix originals). --Let There Be Sunshine 07:05, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
Having never heard this term and having asked several people and had all of them draw a blank I'm tempted to remover the sentence "If they are targeted to a male audience, then they are called "guy cry" films." from the article. Having looked for it I can only find reference to the term in the title's of watchMojo videos on youtube. I would argue that shouldn't warrant a suitable source for such a declarative statement. 194.66.201.11 ( talk) 11:51, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
With the ongoing debate and reassessment of racial policies across the board, wouldn't it behoove Wikipedia to also remove Gone with the Wind as 'the' example of a film drama, because of its racial content? -- Sabre Runner ( talk) 07:31, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
Per MOS:LINKSTYLE, section headers should not be linked. There should be a {{ main article}} or {{ see also}} link below the header, with a summary of what the page is that you're linking to. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 16:21, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
move 41.222.181.151 ( talk) 06:54, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
i have a few questions that might affect quite a few pages, particularly related to TV, film, and drama.
Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Words to watch#Editorializing says we should not presume too much about the reader's knowledge and perspective.
Wiktionary's page on drama includes a situation in real life that has the characteristics of a theatrical play as a possible definition. While not the primary topic, should Wikipedia's drama and drama (disambiguation) pages acknowledge drama can be non-fiction? See also dramatization and docudrama.
As a genre, is drama always fiction by definition? Should we assume readers know that a drama is fiction? Is the non-fiction Cops (TV program) a cop drama, or might someone call it that by mistake? Our page on The Irrational calls the TV show a crime drama based on a non-fiction book. If readers know some dramas are fiction and some dramas are non-fiction, they might reasonably assume a drama based on a non-fiction book is also non-fiction. Also, crime drama redirects to crime film, and i assume Wikipedia does not count The Irrational or any other TV shows as films/movies/motion pictures, even if a TV show consists of moving pictures (which may be filmed with or without using actual film). Should the crime film article be renamed and edited (crudely, maybe just replace every use of the word film with the phrase film or TV show)?
There are lots of drama articles (namely subgenres) i have not even seen but might need edits in similar fashion.
-- 173.67.42.107 ( talk) 22:01, 19 February 2024 (UTC)