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I ran across this rather odd statement:
Naively, one might read this to mean that one must learn Indonesian in order to cast the spells. Is it instead is a reference to the spell names within the rulesbook?— RJH ( talk) 23:09, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
I have edited the area that was marked as confusing to make it sound better. It is the "Characters" section. Any objections to the way I edited it? If not, I'll remove the "Confusing Paragraph" marker in a few days. Vyselink ( talk) 12:59, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
The creation of Krynn is not a sufficiently notable concept for an article on the subject to stand on its own. As such, Creation (Dragonlance) should be merged here. Neelix ( talk) 21:12, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
Needs at least some sort of coverage of the Dragonlance comics published by DC, or at least a mention. 76.226.202.223 ( talk) 02:10, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
We should go ahead with a merge on this one. Web Warlock ( talk) 16:44, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
I noticed while reading this that there was at least one glaring inconsistency regarding the development of the setting. Specifically, the article states TSR created Dragonlance as a campaign setting for the Advanced Dungeons & Dragons (AD&D) roleplaying game in 1982. They published the first sourcebook, Dragonlance Adventures, in 1987. Am I mistaken in thinking this is wrong? Should it be reworded? Just a thought. Voraxith ( talk) 18:33, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
Maybe it would be better worded like such "TSR created the Dragonlance campaign concept (or some other similar word) in 1982, with the first sourcebook, Dragonlance Adventures, being published in 1987" or something like that? Vyselink ( talk) 19:27, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
the Characters section has a link for Heroes of the Lance, but this redirects to a video game, rather than anything that explains who the heroes are. and I do not think that a video game is one of the characters of the setting. Maybe it should link to the characters page, but it is alphabetical and really doesnt have a list of the heroes. maybe the character list page could include those heroes at the front to give at least the protagonists names and then people can see them in the alphabetical list rather than having to see the list on the video game page? shadzar- talk 05:49, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
Krynn/Ansalon is used as one of the domains in the
Genesis LPMud game. I think that is a fitting example of how Dragonlance has spread outside D&D, and therefore should be put in the
Media section to other video games based on Krynn.
User:Doniago has demanded secondary sources to prove the significance of that. I think it would be nice to have secondary sources (Maloni, Kelly; Baker, Derek; Wice, Nathaniel (1994). Net Games. Random House / Michael Wolff & Company, Inc.
ISBN
0-679-75592-6 might have something to say about that, but I do not have access to that), but in my opinion it is still within the limits of
Wikipedia:"In popular culture" content with the Genesis LPMud as a source only, because 1) that homepage verifies the statement and 2) Krynn/Ansalon is a "prominent setting" in the Genesis LPMud game, it is not a "passing mention". Any thoughts on that?
Of course if anyone could check Net Games, that might bring us forward a lot here without discussion.
Daranios (
talk) 20:09, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
If these modules cannot be sourced to reliable, secondary sources, then this content should be abridged and added to the main article, or otherwise removed altogether. czar 21:08, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
The end of the first section of the page includes the following:
"Since February 2009, the fifth age, the Age of Mortals, has been used."
I believe that date is incorrect - both the Sovereign Press products and before that the Saga System were set in the Age of Mortals (for evidence, see the publication date of https://www.amazon.com/Age-Mortals-Dragonlance-Campaign-Companion/dp/1931567107 and the publication date and Setting section of /info/en/?search=Dragonlance:_Fifth_Age).
Thanks,
Wanderer792 ( talk) 06:11, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. I'll see what I can come up with. Wanderer792 ( talk) 00:27, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
This entire source is a self-published (Grin publishing is not in any sense a real publishing house) Master's thesis. It should be removed for not even coming close to meeting the WP standards for an RS, specifically WP:RSSELF. I'm going to remove it, and put a citation needed tag for the information that it currently provides in the hope to find better sources. Vyselink ( talk) 18:13, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
Yeah that's fine. Not blaming anyone, I assumed it was a good faith edit. It's just not a RS. Vyselink ( talk) 14:32, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
Most of the sources in the article appear to be primary, so it does not appear to meet WP:GNG. The current development info should still be mentioned somewhere, so the main article seems like a good place to merge it. TTN ( talk) 12:55, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
I will let the smarter people with legal matters include this here or elsewhere in the Dragonlance related pages. https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/7245020-Weis.html shadzar- talk 05:32, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
@ ShannonA: The lawsuit & announcement were already added to the article under Further development. Sariel Xilo ( talk) 02:00, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
With a recent addition to the Dragonlance page I wanted to introduce the analysis of races and racism - a known controversy about Dungeons & Dragons - done in academic secondary sources. For Dragonlance this controversy ends so far on positive note, that the setting critizes racist tendencies and emphasizes the need for different fictional species to work together to avert disaster. My edits were undone as "obviously harmful claims of racism". This was not at all my intention, so I clearly was not sucessfull in my presentation and summary of the secondary sources. I wish the anonymous IP editor who changed it would join this discussion to straighten things out.
In general I ask anyone for input how this topic could be presented in a better and unambiguous way based on the secondary sources I have used. Thanks everyone! Daranios ( talk) 16:21, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Excuse me? Why is the color of Dragonlance's human's skin mentioned here? And if it does, why not for the other races? If anything, the whole thing is focused on Copper/Bronze/Golden Bozaks =D. Come on, no need to bring your nonsense [51] Young, Helen (2016). Race and Popular Fantasy Literature: Habits of Whiteness. New York, Oxon: Routledge. p. 42-43, 93. ISBN 978-1-138-85023-1 "book" in here.
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I ran across this rather odd statement:
Naively, one might read this to mean that one must learn Indonesian in order to cast the spells. Is it instead is a reference to the spell names within the rulesbook?— RJH ( talk) 23:09, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
I have edited the area that was marked as confusing to make it sound better. It is the "Characters" section. Any objections to the way I edited it? If not, I'll remove the "Confusing Paragraph" marker in a few days. Vyselink ( talk) 12:59, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
The creation of Krynn is not a sufficiently notable concept for an article on the subject to stand on its own. As such, Creation (Dragonlance) should be merged here. Neelix ( talk) 21:12, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
Needs at least some sort of coverage of the Dragonlance comics published by DC, or at least a mention. 76.226.202.223 ( talk) 02:10, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
We should go ahead with a merge on this one. Web Warlock ( talk) 16:44, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
I noticed while reading this that there was at least one glaring inconsistency regarding the development of the setting. Specifically, the article states TSR created Dragonlance as a campaign setting for the Advanced Dungeons & Dragons (AD&D) roleplaying game in 1982. They published the first sourcebook, Dragonlance Adventures, in 1987. Am I mistaken in thinking this is wrong? Should it be reworded? Just a thought. Voraxith ( talk) 18:33, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
Maybe it would be better worded like such "TSR created the Dragonlance campaign concept (or some other similar word) in 1982, with the first sourcebook, Dragonlance Adventures, being published in 1987" or something like that? Vyselink ( talk) 19:27, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
the Characters section has a link for Heroes of the Lance, but this redirects to a video game, rather than anything that explains who the heroes are. and I do not think that a video game is one of the characters of the setting. Maybe it should link to the characters page, but it is alphabetical and really doesnt have a list of the heroes. maybe the character list page could include those heroes at the front to give at least the protagonists names and then people can see them in the alphabetical list rather than having to see the list on the video game page? shadzar- talk 05:49, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
Krynn/Ansalon is used as one of the domains in the
Genesis LPMud game. I think that is a fitting example of how Dragonlance has spread outside D&D, and therefore should be put in the
Media section to other video games based on Krynn.
User:Doniago has demanded secondary sources to prove the significance of that. I think it would be nice to have secondary sources (Maloni, Kelly; Baker, Derek; Wice, Nathaniel (1994). Net Games. Random House / Michael Wolff & Company, Inc.
ISBN
0-679-75592-6 might have something to say about that, but I do not have access to that), but in my opinion it is still within the limits of
Wikipedia:"In popular culture" content with the Genesis LPMud as a source only, because 1) that homepage verifies the statement and 2) Krynn/Ansalon is a "prominent setting" in the Genesis LPMud game, it is not a "passing mention". Any thoughts on that?
Of course if anyone could check Net Games, that might bring us forward a lot here without discussion.
Daranios (
talk) 20:09, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
If these modules cannot be sourced to reliable, secondary sources, then this content should be abridged and added to the main article, or otherwise removed altogether. czar 21:08, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
The end of the first section of the page includes the following:
"Since February 2009, the fifth age, the Age of Mortals, has been used."
I believe that date is incorrect - both the Sovereign Press products and before that the Saga System were set in the Age of Mortals (for evidence, see the publication date of https://www.amazon.com/Age-Mortals-Dragonlance-Campaign-Companion/dp/1931567107 and the publication date and Setting section of /info/en/?search=Dragonlance:_Fifth_Age).
Thanks,
Wanderer792 ( talk) 06:11, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. I'll see what I can come up with. Wanderer792 ( talk) 00:27, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
This entire source is a self-published (Grin publishing is not in any sense a real publishing house) Master's thesis. It should be removed for not even coming close to meeting the WP standards for an RS, specifically WP:RSSELF. I'm going to remove it, and put a citation needed tag for the information that it currently provides in the hope to find better sources. Vyselink ( talk) 18:13, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
Yeah that's fine. Not blaming anyone, I assumed it was a good faith edit. It's just not a RS. Vyselink ( talk) 14:32, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
Most of the sources in the article appear to be primary, so it does not appear to meet WP:GNG. The current development info should still be mentioned somewhere, so the main article seems like a good place to merge it. TTN ( talk) 12:55, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
I will let the smarter people with legal matters include this here or elsewhere in the Dragonlance related pages. https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/7245020-Weis.html shadzar- talk 05:32, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
@ ShannonA: The lawsuit & announcement were already added to the article under Further development. Sariel Xilo ( talk) 02:00, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
With a recent addition to the Dragonlance page I wanted to introduce the analysis of races and racism - a known controversy about Dungeons & Dragons - done in academic secondary sources. For Dragonlance this controversy ends so far on positive note, that the setting critizes racist tendencies and emphasizes the need for different fictional species to work together to avert disaster. My edits were undone as "obviously harmful claims of racism". This was not at all my intention, so I clearly was not sucessfull in my presentation and summary of the secondary sources. I wish the anonymous IP editor who changed it would join this discussion to straighten things out.
In general I ask anyone for input how this topic could be presented in a better and unambiguous way based on the secondary sources I have used. Thanks everyone! Daranios ( talk) 16:21, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Excuse me? Why is the color of Dragonlance's human's skin mentioned here? And if it does, why not for the other races? If anything, the whole thing is focused on Copper/Bronze/Golden Bozaks =D. Come on, no need to bring your nonsense [51] Young, Helen (2016). Race and Popular Fantasy Literature: Habits of Whiteness. New York, Oxon: Routledge. p. 42-43, 93. ISBN 978-1-138-85023-1 "book" in here.
45.94.118.118 ( talk) 16:12, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 06:23, 27 April 2023 (UTC)