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I don't believe this statement is appropriate in the lede to Trump's bio. It isn't neutral and gives the topic WP:Undue weight. The topic is already (and more appropriately) addressed in the article on his campaign. CFredkin ( talk) 22:34, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
It's just not press coverage that's the issue here. Yes he's generated plenty of that. But his remarks have also inspired protests and downright violence across the country. They've also drawn international reactions from world leaders. How is that not notable for the lead? The mild level of chaos that he's causing in American society absolutely needs to be mentioned in the lead. The version I just put in is a lot more neutral. Why? Because it mentions that protesters are coming out both in favor of him and against him. So it represents both sides. UBER (talk) 16:29, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
This lead is chronological after the opening paragraph. So, the latest item should be at the end. Even if it repeats something that's in the opening paragraph. The Hillary Clinton BLP is the same way, with many things in the opening paragraph of the lead repeated later in the lead, allbeit rephrased. So, I would like to add the following at the end of this lead: "and is very widely expected to be the Republican nominee". Anythingyouwant ( talk) 19:31, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
This edit introduced some wrong information into the lead, with the following edit summary: “Added citations and clarified description of positions: he is against legal and illegal immigration, and wants to prevent both American and foreign Muslims from entering the US, with no clearly stated end to the proposed ban.”
Actually, our article
Political positions of Donald Trump says: “Trump has proposed a temporary ban on
foreign Muslims entering the United States (approximately 100,000 Muslim immigrants are admitted to the U.S. each year)[1] until better security precautions are implemented.[2][3][4][5].”
[1]"
The Religious Affiliation of U.S. Immigrants: Muslim Immigrants".
Pew Research Center. May 17, 2013.
[2]Amanda Holpuch.
"Trump re-ups controversial Muslim ban and Mexico wall in first campaign ad". the Guardian.
[3]Scott, Eugene.
"Trump: My Muslim friends don't support my immigration ban",
CNN (December 13, 2015).
[4]
"Voters Like Trump's Proposed Muslim Ban",
Rasmussen Reports. Retrieved December 18, 2015.
[5]Barro, Josh.
"How Unpopular Is Trump's Muslim Ban? Depends How You Ask",
The New York Times (December 15, 2015).
Both of the footnotes inserted into the lead are broken links, and anyway this lead uses the style that excludes footnotes.
Additionaly, the idea that Trump opposes legal immigration is incorrect. He does support a pause for a couple years in issuance of the H-1B visa, but the H-1B is a non-immigrant visa in the United States under the Immigration and Nationality Act; see Trump's comments about it in March.
So, I object to the recent edit to the lead. Anythingyouwant ( talk) 20:57, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
This edit removed a large amount of reliably-sourced content, with an edit summary that said: “No consensus. Please ask for consensus on Talk page.” The removed content was under a subsection header in the politics section, and the subheader was “Comments related to fringe theories”. The removed content is a follows:
“ | According to political writer
Steve Benen, Trump has not kept
fringe theories and their supporters at arm's length to the extent that other political leaders have done in the past.[1] Political writer
Jack Shafer says that Trump may be a "fairly conventional American populist when it comes to his policy views", but he has a revolutionary ability to attract
free media attention, and Shafer quotes Trump: "If you are a little different, or a little outrageous...the press is going to write about you".[2]
Trump has, for example, discussed the discredited belief that vaccines cause autism.[3][4] Trump did not suggest skipping any vaccination, but rather said, "I'm in favor of vaccines; do them over a longer period of time, same amount but just in little sections and I think you're going to see a big impact on autism."[5] The originator of the delayed vaccine schedule was Dr. Robert Sears who acknowledges there is no known medical reason to space out vaccines, but says doing so is a useful tactic for convincing nervous parents to ease into the idea of approving vaccinations, and thus increasing vaccination rates.[5] Trump has also alluded to the unfounded notion that President Obama is secretly a Muslim, saying that "some people" think a Muslim has already been elected president, and also saying that Obama might have attended a particular funeral "if it were held in a Mosque", but Trump denies implying anything about Obama being a Muslim.[3][4] Obama is in fact a Protestant ( Christian).[6] Hillary Clinton has said she is "appalled" that Trump did not contradict an audience member's statement in September 2015 that Obama is a Muslim, though Clinton herself was criticized in 2008 when she said that Obama is not a Muslim "as far as I know."[7] In January 2016, when another person at a Trump rally said that Obama is Muslim, Trump replied, "I didn't say it".[8] Trump also indicated that he was unsure whether Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, who died of natural causes, was actually murdered.[3][9][10] The homeowner where Scalia died said, "We discovered the judge in bed, a pillow over his head," and Trump took that to mean a pillow was found over Scalia's face, but the homeowner later clarified that the pillow was discovered between the headboard and Scalia's head.[11] In April 2016, the National Enquirer ran a story suggesting that Rafael Bienvenido Cruz, the father of Ted Cruz, knew JFK assassin Lee Harvey Oswald and worked with Oswald in New Orleans a few months before the assassination.[12] Trump publicly discussed this Enquirer story on May 3, 2016 saying to Brian Kilmeade of Fox News that "His father was with Lee Harvey Oswald prior to Oswald's being — you know, shot. I mean the whole thing is ridiculous".[13][14] On May 4, 2016 (a few hours after Cruz lost the Indiana primary and withdrew his candidacy) Trump said of the Enquirer's theory, "Of course I don’t believe that".[13] Kilmeade has since expressed regret for not following up on Trump's May 3 comment during that interview.[15] |
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[1]Benen, Steve.
"A conspiracy theorist and his powerful pals",
MSNBC (December 3, 2015)
[2]Shafer, Jack.
"Did We Create Trump?", Politico (May 2016).
[3]Maggie Haberman,
Even as He Rises, Donald Trump Entertains Conspiracy Theories, New York Times (February 29, 2016).
[4] Benjy Sarlin,
Donald Trump's Long History of Conspiracy Theories, NBC News (May 3, 2016).
[5]Mahoney, Emily.
"Fact Check: Donald Trump's claim on spaced-out vaccines, autism rate",
Arizona Republic (October 16, 2015).
[6]
"American President: Barack Obama". Charlottesville, VA: Miller Center of Public Affairs, University of Virginia. 2009. Archived from
the original on January 23, 2009. Retrieved January 23, 2009. Religion: Christian
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[7]Moody, Chris and Holmes, Kristen.
"Donald Trump's history of suggesting Obama is a Muslim",
CNN (September 18, 2015).
[8]Colvin, Jill.
"Trump joshes with audience over Muslim comments, Clinton", Associated Press (January 6, 2016).
[9]Caitlin Yilek,
Trump flirts with suggestion that Scalia was murdered, The Hill (February 16, 2016).
[10]Rebecca Kaplan,
Donald Trump considers theory Scalia might have been murdered, CBS News (February 16, 2016).
[11]Pearce, Matt.
"Scalia's death and lack of an autopsy bring out the conspiracy theorists",
Los Angeles Times (February 16, 2016).
[12]Bump, Philip.
"The 50-year-old mystery behind that photo of Lee Harvey Oswald",
Washington Post (May 3, 2016).
[13]Blake, Aaron.
"Donald Trump’s day of many contradictions",
Washington Post (May 5, 2016).
[14]
"DONALD TRUMP FULL INTERVIEW ON FOX & FRIENDS | FOX NEWS (5/3/2016)" (YouTube).
[15]
"Fox Host Regrets Not Pressing Trump When He Linked Cruz's Dad To Oswald",
Talking Points Memo (May 5, 2016).
I think it ought to go without saying that I am not trying to make Trump look bad. Heck, less than an hour before this subsection was deleted, I inserted an image of Trump together with Ronald Reagan at the White House. [6] The deleted subsection discusses a very notable aspect of Trump (that he often says outrageous things to get media attention), and some of these incidents have gotten extremely wide coverage recently in reliable sources, especially when Trump linked Cruz's father to the killing of JFK. This subsection is very balanced, and I think an intelligent reader will see that what Trump actually said was not quite as outrageous as it seemed. Anyway, the comments of other editors are welcome. Cheers. Anythingyouwant ( talk) 18:17, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
It's way too much detail. This could be trimmed down to something like "Trump has drawn criticism for comments that lend credence to fringe theories such as that vaccines cause autism, that Barack Obama is secretly a Muslim, that Antonin Scalia was murdered, and that Ted Cruz's father was associated with Lee Harvey Oswald." Toohool ( talk) 18:27, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
Okay, looks to me from this discussion like it's three to one to include, so will do so....with some small tweaks (e.g. I like the heading "Admitted outrageousness" which tracks the 1987 quote from Art of the Deal). Anythingyouwant ( talk) 01:57, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
This entire page is obviously filled with what political contenders say about Trump. Can we at least add what Trump has discredited Hillary for, in order for this page to be fair? E.g. add what Trump has been discrediting his contender Clinton for in the "General election" section.
Also, could we add how Trump vs Hillary is doing in the national polls already? The nominations are obviously pretty much set. (Except Trump will lose to a ghost) ThiefOfBagdad ( talk) 22:52, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
Right now, a section on Trump's conspiracy theory fanatics is incredibly long, includes random political quotes, and includes theories where Trump has already stated he "definitely doesn't believe in, it was a misrepresentation." Then why is it in there. I shortened it already, if somebody is somehow against this, please comment/debate here. Just please remember this is Trump's main lifestory page, not a collection of random fun facts on him. ThiefOfBagdad ( talk) 12:48, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
Note: this question has been settled by RfC on this page. This is being posted here because some of the participants here may wish to pitch in and help on the other pages listed.
I am going through the entire list of all forty candidates for US President in 2016 (many now withdrawn) and trying to make sure that the religion entry in the infobox of each page meets Wikipedia's requirements.
Here are the requirements for listing a religion in the infobox (religion in the body of the article has different rules):
The forty candidates are:
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My goal is to determine whether Wikipedia's requirements are met for the above forty pages, and to insure that we have citations to reliable sources that meet the requirements.
Please provide any citations that you believe establish a direct tie to the person's notability, self-identification in the person's own words, etc. Merely posting an opinion is not particularly helpful unless you have sources to back up your claims. I would ask everyone to please avoid responding to any comment that doesn't discuss a source or one of the requirements listed above. You can. of course, discuss anything you want in a separate section, but right now we are focusing on finding and verifying sources that meet Wikipedia's requirements. -- Guy Macon ( talk) 05:28, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
In many places, this article bunches footnotes together in a way that is unnecessary and counterproductive. For example, consider this sentence:
“ | Other critics pointed out that the proposal would result in the exclusion of many important U.S. allies such as Jordan's King Abdullah, although Trump later clarified exceptions would be made.[392] | ” |
Superficially, it looks okay. One footnote should be sufficient. But when you drag your cursor over footnote "392" you find this:
“ | [380][381][382][383][384][380][385][386][387][388][389][390][391] | ” |
This kind of thing happens over and over in this article. Not only is it footnote-overkill, but it also makes it difficult to figure out which footnote is being used to support which words in the article text. I therefore plan on eliminating all of these footnote clusters unless someone can give a good reason not to, and I will trim the number of footnotes to a set that is necessary and sufficient to support what we're writing in the article text. Thanks. Anythingyouwant ( talk) 19:31, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
Are there any objections to List of things named after Donald Trump being listed under the See also section of this article? Thanks. Picomtn ( talk) 11:14, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
Can the following be made a new section under politics as a merge with the Trump Force One article? Thanks. Picomtn ( talk)
Prior to his running for president, Trump’s plane was a Boeing 727 operated by American Airlines [1] that was replaced by a Boeing 757-2J4ER he personally owns [2] and uses for his campaign and is popularly known as Trump Force One.
Trump Force One was assembled in Renton, WA, USA and initially delivered to Sterling Airlines in Denmark in 1991, [3] and later sold to TAESA in Mexico. [4] It was then used as a private jet to Paul Allen in 1995 before being acquired for Donald Trump. [3] Registration expires March 31, 2018.
In 2015, it was removed from publicly available government tracking of its movements. [4]
References
Let's wait and see what happens at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Trump Force One. Anythingyouwant ( talk) 21:18, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
Per WP:WHENNOTCITE we have not put footnotes in the lead. Someone just inserted one. I suppose ArbCom would get its knickers in a twist if I reverted within 24 hours of my last edit, so I won't. Anythingyouwant ( talk) 20:23, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
There is not enough detail in the article about the conspiracy theories espoused by Trump, in particular Birtherism - Cwobeel (talk) 03:48, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
There was already plenty of detail on this subject, and I object to your addition of huge amounts more. The BLP already said (and continues to say) this:
“ | In April 2011, Trump questioned President Barack Obama's proof of citizenship,[274] alleging that "his grandmother in Kenya said he was born in Kenya, and she was there and witnessed the birth."[275] (Trump's claim derived from a discredited transcript of a telephone interview with Obama's grandmother, produced by a Pennsylvania pastor opposed to Obama's election.)[276] Trump also questioned whether Obama had good enough grades to warrant entry to Harvard Law School.[277] Trump is said to have sent a team of private investigators to Hawaii, Obama's documented birthplace,[276] and told The Today Show "they cannot believe what they're finding."[278] On April 25, 2011, Trump called for Obama to end the citizenship issue by releasing the long form of his birth certificate.[279][280] Two days later, Obama made a formal statement in efforts by the White House to put the matter to rest with the release of the long form.[281] Trump expressed pride at his role in the certificate's release in a press conference follow-up, saying he hoped it "checks out" and "we have to see, is it real?"[282] When asked in July 2015 whether Obama was born in the U.S., Trump said: "I really don't know. I mean, I don't know why he wouldn't release his records."[283][284] | ” |
Adding reams more about this violates WP:Undue weight. I would revert this highly POV edit, but apparently 1RR is now in force here. Anythingyouwant ( talk) 04:17, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
The lede does not summarize any of the controversies related to this person as described in the article's text, and papers over most of these. See WP:LEDE, which reads: The lead should stand on its own as a concise overview of the article's topic. It should identify the topic, establish context, explain why the topic is notable, and summarize the most important points, including any prominent controversies - Cwobeel (talk) 04:28, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
There is a lot of material available, and more surfacing, now that this guy is the probable nominee of the GOP, and is getting vetted by media outlets. A section on public persona is therefore due. I will collect information and start adding as it sees the light, for example the very well and recent story about his impersonation of a PR person: [ http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article77401932.html[ )one of the many articles covering this totally weird stuff. - Cwobeel (talk) 03:56, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
More recent photo that is straight on, and has a smile rather than a slightly confused look, hoping to seek consensus to change the main portrait. Calibrador ( talk) 20:30, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
After having made several offensive remarks during his US Presidency Campaign, Trump feels offended himself. He has declared on the ITV programme Good Morning Britain that he is offended by the UK Prime Minister, David Cameron’s remark: ‘divisive, stupid and wrong’ to claim that Muslims should be banned from entering the US [1], as well as by the Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan’s remark: ‘ignorant view of Islam’ [2]. In the interview taken by Piers Morgan, Trump responded to Sadiq Khan by a clear threat: ‘I think they were very rude statements and frankly tell him I will remember those statements’ [3]. He also replied to the UK Prime Minister by declaring that, given David Cameron’s remark, they ‘will not have a very good relationship’ [4].
Anyone else's opinion please? Is this discussion closed? Thank you.-- Clairec78 ( talk) 15:02, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
References
User CFredkin recently removed the phrase:
his determination to build a wall along the Mexico–United States border, that Mexico will pay for
from the lede summary. I think this deletion should be reverted. I appreciate that this may phrase may be in repetition with the line of Trump being known 'for his opposition to illegal immigration', but that statement on its own does not accurately summarize what's notable about his stances.
Trump's promise to build a wall that "Mexico will pay for" is a feature stump speech of his campaign, and notable on its own beyond Trump's remarks about illegal immigration because of how it affects the United States' relationship with its southern neighbour. What's notable here is Trump's antagonism with Mexico on the issue, not that it affects illegal immigration.
So I propose we add this specific phrase back to the lede, or replace it with something similar to reflect the fact that Trump's statements around building a wall around Mexico are an extremely notable aspect of his campaign that deserves to be mentioned specifically in the lede. Spudst3r ( talk) 09:23, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
In 1991 Donald Trump saved a man's life who was being beaten to death with a baseball bat: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/10/report-donald-trump-stopped-baseball-bat-beating-on-new-york-city-street-in-1991/ -- TRUMP TRAIN 2016 ( talk) 20:38, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
@ Socheid: Thanks for the info about Donald Trump's mother. I have copied it to the article about his father, Fred Trump. There is lots of room in that article about Fred Trump, because he did not have such a famous and eventful life as his son, and therefore the info you provided is most suitable at the Fred Trump article. Accordingly, I will shorten the info that you inserted at this article, but it will all remain at the Fred Trump article for anyone who wants it. Anythingyouwant ( talk) 06:19, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
I recently made this edit and was reverted shortly after. The sentence I removed from the family section was "(Trump had previously used the pseudonym "John Baron" (or Barron) in some business deals and when communicating with journalists.)" which follows directly on from "In March 2006, she gave birth to their son named Barron William Trump." While I don't disagree that Trump has used that pseudonym it has no place in the family section of the article (if anywhere at all) and it certainly shouldn't follow the name of his son, as it implies some sort of connection between the two. Note that none of the sources make any connection between the two. I'll leave it up to the regulars here to decide what to do, I was not intent on editing this article when I read over it (US politics is not one of my usual areas and I tend to avoid places with ArbCom remedies), but that parenthetical aside stuck out like a sore thumb to me. Pinging Vesuvius Dogg who made the revert. Jenks24 ( talk) 21:18, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
An RfC has been posted at talk:Stop Trump movement#RfC: Should this article list people who have merely stated that they will not endorse, support, or vote for Trump?. Interested editors are invited to comment. - Mr X 02:37, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
Much of the "Legal affairs" section repeats stuff from previous sections. So, I suggest renaming it "Other legal matters" and removing the redundant stuff. Anythingyouwant ( talk) 22:56, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
Regarding this reversion, I just want to note that the article Political positions of Donald Trump says the following:
“ | He has said that "the concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive," a statement which Trump later said was a joke.[1] | ” |
[1]
"TRUMP: I was joking when I said the Chinese 'created' the concept of climate change". Business Insider. January 8, 2016. Retrieved January 30, 2016.
So, it seems sufficiently covered in that article.
Anythingyouwant (
talk) 15:17, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
I'd added a note about Trump's star on the walk of fame being a target of vandalism in the wake of his 2016 bid for the presidency and that was removed in the edit https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Donald_Trump&diff=722664462&oldid=722655868 . Just wanted to bring up my desire to keep this in, as it's not everyday that people will target a unique object like this for their ire. However, I didn't want to revert as it is currently my opinion vs. that of Ihardlythinkso, and my opinion is no more valid than that of his, so tossing it open for input of others. Regards --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me) 22:04, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
Sounds like there is a lack of consensus to retain mention of the star in the article. Trump is mentioned at List of stars on the Hollywood Walk of Fame#T. Maybe this is sufficient. --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me) 01:46, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
A short list of Trump's appearances in numerous programs now seems rather unremarkable, given how extremely popular he has become internationally and the sheer number of important or controversial statements he makes a week and references to him in daily shows. Due to his large prominence to the point that he has become practically a household name, it would be nearly impossible to complete this section. Unless somebody can come up with something substantial to add, I think this section should be dissolved and points moved to other appropriate sections. Longbyte1 ( talk) 22:37, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
I removed
as "15 fact" lists are rarely reliable; the source might have been quoting Trump (allowable as if attributed), a relative of Trump (possibly allowable if attributed), or a person or persons unknown. If the publication was less reliable, it could even have been made up entirely, but I consider that unlikely. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 18:03, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
“ | McAfee, Tierney. "Donald Trump Opens Up About His Brother's Death from Alcoholism: It Had a 'Profound Impact on My Life'", People (October 8, 2015): "[T]here are a few hard and fast principles that he himself lives by: no drugs, no cigarettes and no alcohol. Trump's abstinence from alcohol was largely shaped by the death of his brother, Fred Jr., from alcoholism in 1981". | ” |
“ | Dent, Millie (July 10, 2015).
"15 Facts You Didn't Know About Donald Trump".
The Fiscal Times. Retrieved August 1, 2015. The Donald has never smoked cigarettes, drank alcohol or done drugs. His older brother, Fred, was an alcoholic for many years and warned Trump to avoid drinking. Fred ultimately died from his addiction. |
” |
Anythingyouwant ( talk) 23:57, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
Stephen Hawking expresses his point of view on Donald Trump. He also says that it is important for the UK to stay in the EU for economic, political, security and scientific reasons [1].
Thank you.-- Clairec78 ( talk) 17:35, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
Yahoo News: 'War of Words escalates as Clinton knocks Trump' [22]-- Clairec78 ( talk) 10:58, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
Howdy folks. Please, don't be adding the Republican presidential nominee stuff into the infobox, as we've never done that for any presidential and vice presidential nominees, in the past. PS - Can you imagine (for example) how long Nixon's infobox would be if we added 1952 & 1956 Republican vice presidential nominee info & 1960, 1968 & 1972 Republican presidential nominee info? How about the infobox of FDR, as another example? So again, let's be consistent & not do that :) GoodDay ( talk) 04:36, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
I reverted an edit that asserts Trump tried to cut his nephew out of his father's will. The source doesn't say that, as explained in my edit summary. Anythingyouwant ( talk) 05:08, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
In the section on Finances and commercial ventures, I've ordered the subsections alphabetically for ease of navigation. The previous section, on his business career, is chronological, but the section on Finances and business ventures has never been chronological so making it alphabetical makes sense to me. Anythingyouwant ( talk) 21:46, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
When this BLP discusses one of his buildings, I don't see any problem with including a pic to go with that discussion. The Chicago pic is accompanied, for example, by "Trump personally guaranteed $40 million to secure a $640 million loan for Trump International Hotel and Tower in Chicago, and when Deutsche Bank tried to collect it, Trump sued the bank for harming the project and his reputation,[497] and the bank then agreed to extend the loan term by five years.[498]" The Vegas pic seems to lack corresponding text, so maybe we can put in text, or use an alternative image. Anythingyouwant ( talk) 21:44, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
The "Trump at a baseball game in 2009" image should be speedily removed from the " Football and boxing" section. It's neither appropriate to the section nor helpful to the reader's understanding of the subject. (No one is known to have publicly questioned whether Trump enjoys attending basketball games.) I can take it down myself tomorrow. -- Dervorguilla ( talk) 06:57, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
/ˈdɒnəld ˈdʒɒn ˈtrəmp/
I very much doubt the veracity of the pronunciation of his surname. A stressed schwa? Schwa is usually used to represent an unstressed vowel - given that it is the only vowel in his monosyllabic surname, I highly doubt it would be a schwa. Surely the vowel should be a ʌ? Compare pronunciation of the noun/verb "trump" here -
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/trump - pronunciation is given as /tɹʌmp/
Mcruic (
talk) 21:30, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
"Donald Trump (pronounced like the word trump)" is honestly one of the dumbest things I've read on this wiki. Why is it in place, and what is the reason for it not having been removed yet? Chase ( talk | contributions) 05:03, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
Is the pronunciation even needed? ( talk | contributions) 05:05, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
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I don't believe this statement is appropriate in the lede to Trump's bio. It isn't neutral and gives the topic WP:Undue weight. The topic is already (and more appropriately) addressed in the article on his campaign. CFredkin ( talk) 22:34, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
It's just not press coverage that's the issue here. Yes he's generated plenty of that. But his remarks have also inspired protests and downright violence across the country. They've also drawn international reactions from world leaders. How is that not notable for the lead? The mild level of chaos that he's causing in American society absolutely needs to be mentioned in the lead. The version I just put in is a lot more neutral. Why? Because it mentions that protesters are coming out both in favor of him and against him. So it represents both sides. UBER (talk) 16:29, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
This lead is chronological after the opening paragraph. So, the latest item should be at the end. Even if it repeats something that's in the opening paragraph. The Hillary Clinton BLP is the same way, with many things in the opening paragraph of the lead repeated later in the lead, allbeit rephrased. So, I would like to add the following at the end of this lead: "and is very widely expected to be the Republican nominee". Anythingyouwant ( talk) 19:31, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
This edit introduced some wrong information into the lead, with the following edit summary: “Added citations and clarified description of positions: he is against legal and illegal immigration, and wants to prevent both American and foreign Muslims from entering the US, with no clearly stated end to the proposed ban.”
Actually, our article
Political positions of Donald Trump says: “Trump has proposed a temporary ban on
foreign Muslims entering the United States (approximately 100,000 Muslim immigrants are admitted to the U.S. each year)[1] until better security precautions are implemented.[2][3][4][5].”
[1]"
The Religious Affiliation of U.S. Immigrants: Muslim Immigrants".
Pew Research Center. May 17, 2013.
[2]Amanda Holpuch.
"Trump re-ups controversial Muslim ban and Mexico wall in first campaign ad". the Guardian.
[3]Scott, Eugene.
"Trump: My Muslim friends don't support my immigration ban",
CNN (December 13, 2015).
[4]
"Voters Like Trump's Proposed Muslim Ban",
Rasmussen Reports. Retrieved December 18, 2015.
[5]Barro, Josh.
"How Unpopular Is Trump's Muslim Ban? Depends How You Ask",
The New York Times (December 15, 2015).
Both of the footnotes inserted into the lead are broken links, and anyway this lead uses the style that excludes footnotes.
Additionaly, the idea that Trump opposes legal immigration is incorrect. He does support a pause for a couple years in issuance of the H-1B visa, but the H-1B is a non-immigrant visa in the United States under the Immigration and Nationality Act; see Trump's comments about it in March.
So, I object to the recent edit to the lead. Anythingyouwant ( talk) 20:57, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
This edit removed a large amount of reliably-sourced content, with an edit summary that said: “No consensus. Please ask for consensus on Talk page.” The removed content was under a subsection header in the politics section, and the subheader was “Comments related to fringe theories”. The removed content is a follows:
“ | According to political writer
Steve Benen, Trump has not kept
fringe theories and their supporters at arm's length to the extent that other political leaders have done in the past.[1] Political writer
Jack Shafer says that Trump may be a "fairly conventional American populist when it comes to his policy views", but he has a revolutionary ability to attract
free media attention, and Shafer quotes Trump: "If you are a little different, or a little outrageous...the press is going to write about you".[2]
Trump has, for example, discussed the discredited belief that vaccines cause autism.[3][4] Trump did not suggest skipping any vaccination, but rather said, "I'm in favor of vaccines; do them over a longer period of time, same amount but just in little sections and I think you're going to see a big impact on autism."[5] The originator of the delayed vaccine schedule was Dr. Robert Sears who acknowledges there is no known medical reason to space out vaccines, but says doing so is a useful tactic for convincing nervous parents to ease into the idea of approving vaccinations, and thus increasing vaccination rates.[5] Trump has also alluded to the unfounded notion that President Obama is secretly a Muslim, saying that "some people" think a Muslim has already been elected president, and also saying that Obama might have attended a particular funeral "if it were held in a Mosque", but Trump denies implying anything about Obama being a Muslim.[3][4] Obama is in fact a Protestant ( Christian).[6] Hillary Clinton has said she is "appalled" that Trump did not contradict an audience member's statement in September 2015 that Obama is a Muslim, though Clinton herself was criticized in 2008 when she said that Obama is not a Muslim "as far as I know."[7] In January 2016, when another person at a Trump rally said that Obama is Muslim, Trump replied, "I didn't say it".[8] Trump also indicated that he was unsure whether Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, who died of natural causes, was actually murdered.[3][9][10] The homeowner where Scalia died said, "We discovered the judge in bed, a pillow over his head," and Trump took that to mean a pillow was found over Scalia's face, but the homeowner later clarified that the pillow was discovered between the headboard and Scalia's head.[11] In April 2016, the National Enquirer ran a story suggesting that Rafael Bienvenido Cruz, the father of Ted Cruz, knew JFK assassin Lee Harvey Oswald and worked with Oswald in New Orleans a few months before the assassination.[12] Trump publicly discussed this Enquirer story on May 3, 2016 saying to Brian Kilmeade of Fox News that "His father was with Lee Harvey Oswald prior to Oswald's being — you know, shot. I mean the whole thing is ridiculous".[13][14] On May 4, 2016 (a few hours after Cruz lost the Indiana primary and withdrew his candidacy) Trump said of the Enquirer's theory, "Of course I don’t believe that".[13] Kilmeade has since expressed regret for not following up on Trump's May 3 comment during that interview.[15] |
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[1]Benen, Steve.
"A conspiracy theorist and his powerful pals",
MSNBC (December 3, 2015)
[2]Shafer, Jack.
"Did We Create Trump?", Politico (May 2016).
[3]Maggie Haberman,
Even as He Rises, Donald Trump Entertains Conspiracy Theories, New York Times (February 29, 2016).
[4] Benjy Sarlin,
Donald Trump's Long History of Conspiracy Theories, NBC News (May 3, 2016).
[5]Mahoney, Emily.
"Fact Check: Donald Trump's claim on spaced-out vaccines, autism rate",
Arizona Republic (October 16, 2015).
[6]
"American President: Barack Obama". Charlottesville, VA: Miller Center of Public Affairs, University of Virginia. 2009. Archived from
the original on January 23, 2009. Retrieved January 23, 2009. Religion: Christian
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[7]Moody, Chris and Holmes, Kristen.
"Donald Trump's history of suggesting Obama is a Muslim",
CNN (September 18, 2015).
[8]Colvin, Jill.
"Trump joshes with audience over Muslim comments, Clinton", Associated Press (January 6, 2016).
[9]Caitlin Yilek,
Trump flirts with suggestion that Scalia was murdered, The Hill (February 16, 2016).
[10]Rebecca Kaplan,
Donald Trump considers theory Scalia might have been murdered, CBS News (February 16, 2016).
[11]Pearce, Matt.
"Scalia's death and lack of an autopsy bring out the conspiracy theorists",
Los Angeles Times (February 16, 2016).
[12]Bump, Philip.
"The 50-year-old mystery behind that photo of Lee Harvey Oswald",
Washington Post (May 3, 2016).
[13]Blake, Aaron.
"Donald Trump’s day of many contradictions",
Washington Post (May 5, 2016).
[14]
"DONALD TRUMP FULL INTERVIEW ON FOX & FRIENDS | FOX NEWS (5/3/2016)" (YouTube).
[15]
"Fox Host Regrets Not Pressing Trump When He Linked Cruz's Dad To Oswald",
Talking Points Memo (May 5, 2016).
I think it ought to go without saying that I am not trying to make Trump look bad. Heck, less than an hour before this subsection was deleted, I inserted an image of Trump together with Ronald Reagan at the White House. [6] The deleted subsection discusses a very notable aspect of Trump (that he often says outrageous things to get media attention), and some of these incidents have gotten extremely wide coverage recently in reliable sources, especially when Trump linked Cruz's father to the killing of JFK. This subsection is very balanced, and I think an intelligent reader will see that what Trump actually said was not quite as outrageous as it seemed. Anyway, the comments of other editors are welcome. Cheers. Anythingyouwant ( talk) 18:17, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
It's way too much detail. This could be trimmed down to something like "Trump has drawn criticism for comments that lend credence to fringe theories such as that vaccines cause autism, that Barack Obama is secretly a Muslim, that Antonin Scalia was murdered, and that Ted Cruz's father was associated with Lee Harvey Oswald." Toohool ( talk) 18:27, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
Okay, looks to me from this discussion like it's three to one to include, so will do so....with some small tweaks (e.g. I like the heading "Admitted outrageousness" which tracks the 1987 quote from Art of the Deal). Anythingyouwant ( talk) 01:57, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
This entire page is obviously filled with what political contenders say about Trump. Can we at least add what Trump has discredited Hillary for, in order for this page to be fair? E.g. add what Trump has been discrediting his contender Clinton for in the "General election" section.
Also, could we add how Trump vs Hillary is doing in the national polls already? The nominations are obviously pretty much set. (Except Trump will lose to a ghost) ThiefOfBagdad ( talk) 22:52, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
Right now, a section on Trump's conspiracy theory fanatics is incredibly long, includes random political quotes, and includes theories where Trump has already stated he "definitely doesn't believe in, it was a misrepresentation." Then why is it in there. I shortened it already, if somebody is somehow against this, please comment/debate here. Just please remember this is Trump's main lifestory page, not a collection of random fun facts on him. ThiefOfBagdad ( talk) 12:48, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
Note: this question has been settled by RfC on this page. This is being posted here because some of the participants here may wish to pitch in and help on the other pages listed.
I am going through the entire list of all forty candidates for US President in 2016 (many now withdrawn) and trying to make sure that the religion entry in the infobox of each page meets Wikipedia's requirements.
Here are the requirements for listing a religion in the infobox (religion in the body of the article has different rules):
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My goal is to determine whether Wikipedia's requirements are met for the above forty pages, and to insure that we have citations to reliable sources that meet the requirements.
Please provide any citations that you believe establish a direct tie to the person's notability, self-identification in the person's own words, etc. Merely posting an opinion is not particularly helpful unless you have sources to back up your claims. I would ask everyone to please avoid responding to any comment that doesn't discuss a source or one of the requirements listed above. You can. of course, discuss anything you want in a separate section, but right now we are focusing on finding and verifying sources that meet Wikipedia's requirements. -- Guy Macon ( talk) 05:28, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
In many places, this article bunches footnotes together in a way that is unnecessary and counterproductive. For example, consider this sentence:
“ | Other critics pointed out that the proposal would result in the exclusion of many important U.S. allies such as Jordan's King Abdullah, although Trump later clarified exceptions would be made.[392] | ” |
Superficially, it looks okay. One footnote should be sufficient. But when you drag your cursor over footnote "392" you find this:
“ | [380][381][382][383][384][380][385][386][387][388][389][390][391] | ” |
This kind of thing happens over and over in this article. Not only is it footnote-overkill, but it also makes it difficult to figure out which footnote is being used to support which words in the article text. I therefore plan on eliminating all of these footnote clusters unless someone can give a good reason not to, and I will trim the number of footnotes to a set that is necessary and sufficient to support what we're writing in the article text. Thanks. Anythingyouwant ( talk) 19:31, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
Are there any objections to List of things named after Donald Trump being listed under the See also section of this article? Thanks. Picomtn ( talk) 11:14, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
Can the following be made a new section under politics as a merge with the Trump Force One article? Thanks. Picomtn ( talk)
Prior to his running for president, Trump’s plane was a Boeing 727 operated by American Airlines [1] that was replaced by a Boeing 757-2J4ER he personally owns [2] and uses for his campaign and is popularly known as Trump Force One.
Trump Force One was assembled in Renton, WA, USA and initially delivered to Sterling Airlines in Denmark in 1991, [3] and later sold to TAESA in Mexico. [4] It was then used as a private jet to Paul Allen in 1995 before being acquired for Donald Trump. [3] Registration expires March 31, 2018.
In 2015, it was removed from publicly available government tracking of its movements. [4]
References
Let's wait and see what happens at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Trump Force One. Anythingyouwant ( talk) 21:18, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
Per WP:WHENNOTCITE we have not put footnotes in the lead. Someone just inserted one. I suppose ArbCom would get its knickers in a twist if I reverted within 24 hours of my last edit, so I won't. Anythingyouwant ( talk) 20:23, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
There is not enough detail in the article about the conspiracy theories espoused by Trump, in particular Birtherism - Cwobeel (talk) 03:48, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
There was already plenty of detail on this subject, and I object to your addition of huge amounts more. The BLP already said (and continues to say) this:
“ | In April 2011, Trump questioned President Barack Obama's proof of citizenship,[274] alleging that "his grandmother in Kenya said he was born in Kenya, and she was there and witnessed the birth."[275] (Trump's claim derived from a discredited transcript of a telephone interview with Obama's grandmother, produced by a Pennsylvania pastor opposed to Obama's election.)[276] Trump also questioned whether Obama had good enough grades to warrant entry to Harvard Law School.[277] Trump is said to have sent a team of private investigators to Hawaii, Obama's documented birthplace,[276] and told The Today Show "they cannot believe what they're finding."[278] On April 25, 2011, Trump called for Obama to end the citizenship issue by releasing the long form of his birth certificate.[279][280] Two days later, Obama made a formal statement in efforts by the White House to put the matter to rest with the release of the long form.[281] Trump expressed pride at his role in the certificate's release in a press conference follow-up, saying he hoped it "checks out" and "we have to see, is it real?"[282] When asked in July 2015 whether Obama was born in the U.S., Trump said: "I really don't know. I mean, I don't know why he wouldn't release his records."[283][284] | ” |
Adding reams more about this violates WP:Undue weight. I would revert this highly POV edit, but apparently 1RR is now in force here. Anythingyouwant ( talk) 04:17, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
The lede does not summarize any of the controversies related to this person as described in the article's text, and papers over most of these. See WP:LEDE, which reads: The lead should stand on its own as a concise overview of the article's topic. It should identify the topic, establish context, explain why the topic is notable, and summarize the most important points, including any prominent controversies - Cwobeel (talk) 04:28, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
There is a lot of material available, and more surfacing, now that this guy is the probable nominee of the GOP, and is getting vetted by media outlets. A section on public persona is therefore due. I will collect information and start adding as it sees the light, for example the very well and recent story about his impersonation of a PR person: [ http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article77401932.html[ )one of the many articles covering this totally weird stuff. - Cwobeel (talk) 03:56, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
More recent photo that is straight on, and has a smile rather than a slightly confused look, hoping to seek consensus to change the main portrait. Calibrador ( talk) 20:30, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
After having made several offensive remarks during his US Presidency Campaign, Trump feels offended himself. He has declared on the ITV programme Good Morning Britain that he is offended by the UK Prime Minister, David Cameron’s remark: ‘divisive, stupid and wrong’ to claim that Muslims should be banned from entering the US [1], as well as by the Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan’s remark: ‘ignorant view of Islam’ [2]. In the interview taken by Piers Morgan, Trump responded to Sadiq Khan by a clear threat: ‘I think they were very rude statements and frankly tell him I will remember those statements’ [3]. He also replied to the UK Prime Minister by declaring that, given David Cameron’s remark, they ‘will not have a very good relationship’ [4].
Anyone else's opinion please? Is this discussion closed? Thank you.-- Clairec78 ( talk) 15:02, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
References
User CFredkin recently removed the phrase:
his determination to build a wall along the Mexico–United States border, that Mexico will pay for
from the lede summary. I think this deletion should be reverted. I appreciate that this may phrase may be in repetition with the line of Trump being known 'for his opposition to illegal immigration', but that statement on its own does not accurately summarize what's notable about his stances.
Trump's promise to build a wall that "Mexico will pay for" is a feature stump speech of his campaign, and notable on its own beyond Trump's remarks about illegal immigration because of how it affects the United States' relationship with its southern neighbour. What's notable here is Trump's antagonism with Mexico on the issue, not that it affects illegal immigration.
So I propose we add this specific phrase back to the lede, or replace it with something similar to reflect the fact that Trump's statements around building a wall around Mexico are an extremely notable aspect of his campaign that deserves to be mentioned specifically in the lede. Spudst3r ( talk) 09:23, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
In 1991 Donald Trump saved a man's life who was being beaten to death with a baseball bat: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/10/report-donald-trump-stopped-baseball-bat-beating-on-new-york-city-street-in-1991/ -- TRUMP TRAIN 2016 ( talk) 20:38, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
@ Socheid: Thanks for the info about Donald Trump's mother. I have copied it to the article about his father, Fred Trump. There is lots of room in that article about Fred Trump, because he did not have such a famous and eventful life as his son, and therefore the info you provided is most suitable at the Fred Trump article. Accordingly, I will shorten the info that you inserted at this article, but it will all remain at the Fred Trump article for anyone who wants it. Anythingyouwant ( talk) 06:19, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
I recently made this edit and was reverted shortly after. The sentence I removed from the family section was "(Trump had previously used the pseudonym "John Baron" (or Barron) in some business deals and when communicating with journalists.)" which follows directly on from "In March 2006, she gave birth to their son named Barron William Trump." While I don't disagree that Trump has used that pseudonym it has no place in the family section of the article (if anywhere at all) and it certainly shouldn't follow the name of his son, as it implies some sort of connection between the two. Note that none of the sources make any connection between the two. I'll leave it up to the regulars here to decide what to do, I was not intent on editing this article when I read over it (US politics is not one of my usual areas and I tend to avoid places with ArbCom remedies), but that parenthetical aside stuck out like a sore thumb to me. Pinging Vesuvius Dogg who made the revert. Jenks24 ( talk) 21:18, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
An RfC has been posted at talk:Stop Trump movement#RfC: Should this article list people who have merely stated that they will not endorse, support, or vote for Trump?. Interested editors are invited to comment. - Mr X 02:37, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
Much of the "Legal affairs" section repeats stuff from previous sections. So, I suggest renaming it "Other legal matters" and removing the redundant stuff. Anythingyouwant ( talk) 22:56, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
Regarding this reversion, I just want to note that the article Political positions of Donald Trump says the following:
“ | He has said that "the concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive," a statement which Trump later said was a joke.[1] | ” |
[1]
"TRUMP: I was joking when I said the Chinese 'created' the concept of climate change". Business Insider. January 8, 2016. Retrieved January 30, 2016.
So, it seems sufficiently covered in that article.
Anythingyouwant (
talk) 15:17, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
I'd added a note about Trump's star on the walk of fame being a target of vandalism in the wake of his 2016 bid for the presidency and that was removed in the edit https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Donald_Trump&diff=722664462&oldid=722655868 . Just wanted to bring up my desire to keep this in, as it's not everyday that people will target a unique object like this for their ire. However, I didn't want to revert as it is currently my opinion vs. that of Ihardlythinkso, and my opinion is no more valid than that of his, so tossing it open for input of others. Regards --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me) 22:04, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
Sounds like there is a lack of consensus to retain mention of the star in the article. Trump is mentioned at List of stars on the Hollywood Walk of Fame#T. Maybe this is sufficient. --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me) 01:46, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
A short list of Trump's appearances in numerous programs now seems rather unremarkable, given how extremely popular he has become internationally and the sheer number of important or controversial statements he makes a week and references to him in daily shows. Due to his large prominence to the point that he has become practically a household name, it would be nearly impossible to complete this section. Unless somebody can come up with something substantial to add, I think this section should be dissolved and points moved to other appropriate sections. Longbyte1 ( talk) 22:37, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
I removed
as "15 fact" lists are rarely reliable; the source might have been quoting Trump (allowable as if attributed), a relative of Trump (possibly allowable if attributed), or a person or persons unknown. If the publication was less reliable, it could even have been made up entirely, but I consider that unlikely. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 18:03, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
“ | McAfee, Tierney. "Donald Trump Opens Up About His Brother's Death from Alcoholism: It Had a 'Profound Impact on My Life'", People (October 8, 2015): "[T]here are a few hard and fast principles that he himself lives by: no drugs, no cigarettes and no alcohol. Trump's abstinence from alcohol was largely shaped by the death of his brother, Fred Jr., from alcoholism in 1981". | ” |
“ | Dent, Millie (July 10, 2015).
"15 Facts You Didn't Know About Donald Trump".
The Fiscal Times. Retrieved August 1, 2015. The Donald has never smoked cigarettes, drank alcohol or done drugs. His older brother, Fred, was an alcoholic for many years and warned Trump to avoid drinking. Fred ultimately died from his addiction. |
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Anythingyouwant ( talk) 23:57, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
Stephen Hawking expresses his point of view on Donald Trump. He also says that it is important for the UK to stay in the EU for economic, political, security and scientific reasons [1].
Thank you.-- Clairec78 ( talk) 17:35, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
Yahoo News: 'War of Words escalates as Clinton knocks Trump' [22]-- Clairec78 ( talk) 10:58, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
Howdy folks. Please, don't be adding the Republican presidential nominee stuff into the infobox, as we've never done that for any presidential and vice presidential nominees, in the past. PS - Can you imagine (for example) how long Nixon's infobox would be if we added 1952 & 1956 Republican vice presidential nominee info & 1960, 1968 & 1972 Republican presidential nominee info? How about the infobox of FDR, as another example? So again, let's be consistent & not do that :) GoodDay ( talk) 04:36, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
I reverted an edit that asserts Trump tried to cut his nephew out of his father's will. The source doesn't say that, as explained in my edit summary. Anythingyouwant ( talk) 05:08, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
In the section on Finances and commercial ventures, I've ordered the subsections alphabetically for ease of navigation. The previous section, on his business career, is chronological, but the section on Finances and business ventures has never been chronological so making it alphabetical makes sense to me. Anythingyouwant ( talk) 21:46, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
When this BLP discusses one of his buildings, I don't see any problem with including a pic to go with that discussion. The Chicago pic is accompanied, for example, by "Trump personally guaranteed $40 million to secure a $640 million loan for Trump International Hotel and Tower in Chicago, and when Deutsche Bank tried to collect it, Trump sued the bank for harming the project and his reputation,[497] and the bank then agreed to extend the loan term by five years.[498]" The Vegas pic seems to lack corresponding text, so maybe we can put in text, or use an alternative image. Anythingyouwant ( talk) 21:44, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
The "Trump at a baseball game in 2009" image should be speedily removed from the " Football and boxing" section. It's neither appropriate to the section nor helpful to the reader's understanding of the subject. (No one is known to have publicly questioned whether Trump enjoys attending basketball games.) I can take it down myself tomorrow. -- Dervorguilla ( talk) 06:57, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
/ˈdɒnəld ˈdʒɒn ˈtrəmp/
I very much doubt the veracity of the pronunciation of his surname. A stressed schwa? Schwa is usually used to represent an unstressed vowel - given that it is the only vowel in his monosyllabic surname, I highly doubt it would be a schwa. Surely the vowel should be a ʌ? Compare pronunciation of the noun/verb "trump" here -
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/trump - pronunciation is given as /tɹʌmp/
Mcruic (
talk) 21:30, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
"Donald Trump (pronounced like the word trump)" is honestly one of the dumbest things I've read on this wiki. Why is it in place, and what is the reason for it not having been removed yet? Chase ( talk | contributions) 05:03, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
Is the pronunciation even needed? ( talk | contributions) 05:05, 30 May 2016 (UTC)