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Nomopbs and PearlSt82 and anyone interested, how do you feel about removing both or either of these bannered problems? Have the issues been dealt with to a level that the "warnings" can be removed? Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 18:20, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
I stumbled across this while reverting an edit which was questionably vandalism. However, the criticisms of this site are buried at the bottom. Shouldn't there be mentioned of the widespread criticism (lack of scientific methodology, lack of accuracy in identifying "breeds" of dogs, etc.) in the lede? Ifnord ( talk) 22:23, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
Please note that the organization DogsBite.org is run by a single person, Colleen Lynn, and therefore
WP:Biographies of living persons (BLP) applies to this subject. From the policy: "The extent to which the BLP policy applies to edits about groups is complex and must be judged on a case-by-case basis. A harmful statement about a small group or organization comes closer to being a BLP problem than a similar statement about a larger group; and when the group is very small, it may be impossible to draw a distinction between the group and the individuals that make up the group. When in doubt, make sure you are using high-quality sources."
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"The extent to which the BLP policy applies to edits about groups is complex and must be judged on a case-by-case basis. A harmful statement about a small group or organization comes closer to being a BLP problem than a similar statement about a larger group; and when the group is very small, it may be impossible to draw a distinction between the group and the individuals that make up the group. When in doubt, make sure you are using high-quality sources."Normal Op ( talk) 19:53, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
@ Jaredhicks27, we are now in WP:EW territory, and the WP-solution to that is to use the article talk page. Why does inserting a citation needed in the middle of cited quote like you do here [2] (not the only time you did that) make sense to you? Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 10:26, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
That's not in the middle of a quote; that's after a period ending the statement by the Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association, and right before the statement by the American Verterinary Society of Animal Behavior. Both independent statements from independent organizations.
Go ahead, warn me, ban me, I don't care. I made the mistake of logging into Wikipedia today. I'll send off a letter to the office of Jimmy Wales, perhaps certified, with all this info, and I'll wash my hands of Wikipedia editing. You guys are the ones in the wrong, though. Jaredhicks27 ( talk) 10:39, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
The organization has been criticized of publishing misleading or inaccurate information, is an overstatement compared to the source, [4], which says
DogsBite.org's claim that pit bull–type dogs were responsible for 65 percent of the deaths during that 12-year period is disputed by some groups as inaccurate and misleading. The American Veterinary Society of Animal Behavior, for example, says identifying a dog's breed accurately is difficult, even for professionals, and visual recognition is known to not always be reliable.
The American Veterinary Medical Association, and other organizations[who?] have published positions opposing breed-specific legislation (BSL), but neglects to mention that breed specific legislative is quite common in other countries outside of the United States. For example, Iceland ( [5], [6]), the UK [7], Taiwan [8], Turkey [9], Australia [10], New Zealand [11], France [12], Germany [13], Portugal [14], etc. BSL seems to be controversial mainly in the United States, but this article treats BSL supporters like some kind of weird Flat Earther thing.
accuses several organizations of being "co-opted by the 'pit bull lobby', a shady cabal that supporters of the site imply is financed by dogfighters."Who are these unidentified "supporters of the site" Dickey is attacking here, are they the same as Dogsbite.org, if they exist does Dogsbite.org have some kind of editorial responsibility for things that Dickey believes they imply, and isn't this a straw man argument?
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Nomopbs and PearlSt82 and anyone interested, how do you feel about removing both or either of these bannered problems? Have the issues been dealt with to a level that the "warnings" can be removed? Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 18:20, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
I stumbled across this while reverting an edit which was questionably vandalism. However, the criticisms of this site are buried at the bottom. Shouldn't there be mentioned of the widespread criticism (lack of scientific methodology, lack of accuracy in identifying "breeds" of dogs, etc.) in the lede? Ifnord ( talk) 22:23, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
Please note that the organization DogsBite.org is run by a single person, Colleen Lynn, and therefore
WP:Biographies of living persons (BLP) applies to this subject. From the policy: "The extent to which the BLP policy applies to edits about groups is complex and must be judged on a case-by-case basis. A harmful statement about a small group or organization comes closer to being a BLP problem than a similar statement about a larger group; and when the group is very small, it may be impossible to draw a distinction between the group and the individuals that make up the group. When in doubt, make sure you are using high-quality sources."
Normal Op (
talk) 19:18, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
"The extent to which the BLP policy applies to edits about groups is complex and must be judged on a case-by-case basis. A harmful statement about a small group or organization comes closer to being a BLP problem than a similar statement about a larger group; and when the group is very small, it may be impossible to draw a distinction between the group and the individuals that make up the group. When in doubt, make sure you are using high-quality sources."Normal Op ( talk) 19:53, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
@ Jaredhicks27, we are now in WP:EW territory, and the WP-solution to that is to use the article talk page. Why does inserting a citation needed in the middle of cited quote like you do here [2] (not the only time you did that) make sense to you? Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 10:26, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
That's not in the middle of a quote; that's after a period ending the statement by the Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association, and right before the statement by the American Verterinary Society of Animal Behavior. Both independent statements from independent organizations.
Go ahead, warn me, ban me, I don't care. I made the mistake of logging into Wikipedia today. I'll send off a letter to the office of Jimmy Wales, perhaps certified, with all this info, and I'll wash my hands of Wikipedia editing. You guys are the ones in the wrong, though. Jaredhicks27 ( talk) 10:39, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
The organization has been criticized of publishing misleading or inaccurate information, is an overstatement compared to the source, [4], which says
DogsBite.org's claim that pit bull–type dogs were responsible for 65 percent of the deaths during that 12-year period is disputed by some groups as inaccurate and misleading. The American Veterinary Society of Animal Behavior, for example, says identifying a dog's breed accurately is difficult, even for professionals, and visual recognition is known to not always be reliable.
The American Veterinary Medical Association, and other organizations[who?] have published positions opposing breed-specific legislation (BSL), but neglects to mention that breed specific legislative is quite common in other countries outside of the United States. For example, Iceland ( [5], [6]), the UK [7], Taiwan [8], Turkey [9], Australia [10], New Zealand [11], France [12], Germany [13], Portugal [14], etc. BSL seems to be controversial mainly in the United States, but this article treats BSL supporters like some kind of weird Flat Earther thing.
accuses several organizations of being "co-opted by the 'pit bull lobby', a shady cabal that supporters of the site imply is financed by dogfighters."Who are these unidentified "supporters of the site" Dickey is attacking here, are they the same as Dogsbite.org, if they exist does Dogsbite.org have some kind of editorial responsibility for things that Dickey believes they imply, and isn't this a straw man argument?