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I recently decided to create a specific article for Div, the later developed and Islamized version of Iranian
Daeva and found this one. Since it is only a stub and it seems there is not much to add, I thought, instead of creating another "Div (mythology)" article I expand this one here by adding Dev from other cultures too. Since they prbably root in Ottoman lore anyway this shouldn't be much confucion.--
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Why are there two articles for the same exact entities? That's super confusing, especially when you're trying to look through Wikipedia's in different languages that redirect to the very same creatures. Div and daeva are literally the same. The stories about the divs within the Shahnameh redirect to the same stories found in Zoroastrian sources about the daevas. The word div, dev, dew, deu, etc. (dal/dalath, ya/yodh, waw) has always been used to mean daevas. It is simply a shorten variation from New Persian.
"Div (mythology)" here is completely unnecessarily. For one, it makes it seem as if the Islamic and late Zoroastrian understandings are merely "myths" compared to the Avestan Divs ("Daevas"). And if it redirects, historically, to the same entities, but one usage is simply "Islamic" (Persian & Ottoman for "jinn/ifrit/shayatin"), then why not separate the Islamic/New-Persian Khuda from the Avestan xᵛaδāta. Same logic.
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talk) 18:23, 19 January 2024 (UTC)reply
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I recently decided to create a specific article for Div, the later developed and Islamized version of Iranian
Daeva and found this one. Since it is only a stub and it seems there is not much to add, I thought, instead of creating another "Div (mythology)" article I expand this one here by adding Dev from other cultures too. Since they prbably root in Ottoman lore anyway this shouldn't be much confucion.--
VenusFeuerFalle (
talk) 00:44, 18 December 2019 (UTC)reply
Why are there two articles for the same exact entities? That's super confusing, especially when you're trying to look through Wikipedia's in different languages that redirect to the very same creatures. Div and daeva are literally the same. The stories about the divs within the Shahnameh redirect to the same stories found in Zoroastrian sources about the daevas. The word div, dev, dew, deu, etc. (dal/dalath, ya/yodh, waw) has always been used to mean daevas. It is simply a shorten variation from New Persian.
"Div (mythology)" here is completely unnecessarily. For one, it makes it seem as if the Islamic and late Zoroastrian understandings are merely "myths" compared to the Avestan Divs ("Daevas"). And if it redirects, historically, to the same entities, but one usage is simply "Islamic" (Persian & Ottoman for "jinn/ifrit/shayatin"), then why not separate the Islamic/New-Persian Khuda from the Avestan xᵛaδāta. Same logic.
2600:1700:B2D0:CAD0:35AD:C028:B228:3016 (
talk) 18:23, 19 January 2024 (UTC)reply
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