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I noticed a conflict between this article and the Afghanistan article. The article - Afghanistan- claims, "Once in power, the PDPA moved to permit freedom of religion." Yet in this article [Democratic Republic of Afghanistan] sourced as: http://www.vfw.org/resources/levelxmagazine/0203_Soviet-Afghan%20War.pdf The Soviet-Afghan War: Breaking the Hammer & Sickle, "the PDPA moved to promote state atheism. Men were obliged to cut beards, women to wear a burqa, and mosques were placed off limits." So which is it? Ben5jaaan ( talk) 14:24, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
I don't know anything about it, so I can't write it, but this article desperately needs an introduction. It leads off naming people whose positions within the government aren't very clear, or without saying "The Democratic Republic of Afghanistan was a communist republic governing what is now the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan." or whatever the current formal name of Afghanistan is. Jake 08:04, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
Large numbers of the sections had hard carriage returns in them, which is somewhat suspect of being a copy and paste from possibly copyrighted sources. This ver, if edited, will show the sections. 68.39.174.238 17:26, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
Afghanistan was part of Greater Iran so their is no vandalism in this. Afghanistan was created in late 19th century so before that it was part of Greater Iran.
-- Anoshirawan 00:27, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Afghanistan was a country that was created by the British in the 19th century, Before that it was part of Greater Iran and it shares a common history with Iranians. Its more logical to have the greater Iran side bar than only the other one. and giving truth isnt vandalism.
--
Anoshirawan 01:18, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
This article discusses the politics of the modern state of Afghanistan, not the chimaeric construction that it might -or might not- have been part of in a distant past. That template is completely inappropriate here, and if you continue to insert it, you will be reported for violation of WP:3RR. Raoulduke47 11:26, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
Other than that single article by the UK Guardian, are there any more articles/books written regarding the Communist era in Afghanistan? It's interesting and refreshing to finally read something remotely positive about communism in the Western media. 137.82.117.244 ( talk) 01:13, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
Besides the genocide everything was just nifty. 200.74.67.28 ( talk) 22:50, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
The opening paragraph in the first section is: "In 1978 a prominent member of the People's Democratic Party of Afghanistan (PDPA), Mohammed Akbar Khaibar, was killed by the government of President Mohammed Daoud Khan.[2] The leaders of the PDPA apparently feared that Daoud was planning to exterminate them all, especially since most of them were arrested, including Nur Muhammad Taraki and Babrak Karmal, while Amin was put under house arrest where he gave instructions to his son to carry to his army which initiated the Saur Revolution, [3] Hafizullah Amin a number of military wing officers of the PDPA managed to remain at large and organized."
I changed the names to be the full names, but I'm not sure if I got them right. I find this paragraph to be very confusing and would like to edit it to make it more readable, but I know diddly about Afghanistan.
My first question is has to do with the following: "while Amin was put under house arrest where he gave instructions to his son to carry to his army which initiated the Saur Revolution, [3] Hafizullah Amin a number of military wing officers of the PDPA managed to remain at large and organized."
Is Amin who was put under arrest and gave instructions to his son the same person as Hafizullah Amin? I looked at Hafizullah Amin's page, and it states that he was arrested, then released, after which the Saur Revolution was initiated. (I think - I'll go back and check, and like I said, I know diddly about this subject.) Hafizullah Amin's page does not mention his son. (Again, I think)
Neefer ( talk) 21:34, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
= I just discoverd, if it wern't for us afganistan would be just like kazakhstan or Turkey, Ironic.-- J intela ( talk) 19:08, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved Mike Cline ( talk) 18:56, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
Per
WP:COMMONNAME, the official name of communist Afghanistan was first the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan, but in 1987, in the
National Reconciliation effort, the name of communis Afghanistan was changed to the Republic of Afghanistan. Since there were two official names for the period, the wikipedia community should move the article from Democratic Republic of Afghanistan to Communist Afghanistan or Communist-ruled Afghanistan.
A lot of this article is based on the two books by J. Bruce Amstutz, US charge daffaires in Kabul from 1977 to 1980, written in 1994. Considering that the U.S. government was hostile to this government and by the summer of of 1979 was organizing an armed putsch to overthrow it Amstutz is not a neutral source for this subject. It's disingenuous to the reader that at least Amstutz's occupation is not mentioned considering his prominence here. There's been much english language scholarship done on Afghanistan in recent years, not by diplomats, which should be included here. ( talk • Rarwaw ( talk) 09:01, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Democratic Republic of Afghanistan's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "cp":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 02:14, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
{{u|GreekSocialist100]]: These edits were originally accompanied by edit summaries stating that you were making only minor edits, correcting misspellings and "updating" information. Your edits were not minor. You were not correcting misspellings. There is nothing to "update" about a topic that essentially ceased to exist 23 years ago. Your edit summaries are completely unrelated to the edits you are making. Rather than calling me a troll (which I am not), please address the problem. - SummerPhD ( talk) 21:47, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
The DR Afghanistan was never a socialist state, nor was the PDPA a communist party. From William Blum's Killing Hope:
After the April revolution, the new government under President Noor Mohammed Taraki declared a commitment to Islam within a secular state, and to non-alignment in foreign affairs. It maintained that the coup had not been foreign inspired, that it was not a “Communist takeover”, and that they were not “Communists” but rather nationalists and revolutionaries. (No official or traditional Communist Party had ever existed in Afghanistan.) But because of its radical reform program, its class-struggle and anti-imperialist-type rhetoric, its support of all the usual suspects (Cuba, North Korea, etc.), its signing of a friendship treaty and other cooperative agreements with the Soviet Union, and an increased presence in the country of Soviet civilian and military advisers (though probably less than the US had in Iran at the time), it was labeled “communist” by the world’s media and by its domestic opponents. [1]
Furthermore, the 1980 Fundamental Principles of the DR Afghanistan only declared the state to be a democratic republic that recognized the importance of Islam and the UN Charter and Universal Declaration of Human Rights. So this was not a socialist republic. 2601:187:4301:61B0:4979:4E6A:301:61E7 ( talk) 18:33, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
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Anybody have a full text of it? I'd like to read it. – Illegitimate Barrister ( talk • contribs), 03:25, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
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I noticed a conflict between this article and the Afghanistan article. The article - Afghanistan- claims, "Once in power, the PDPA moved to permit freedom of religion." Yet in this article [Democratic Republic of Afghanistan] sourced as: http://www.vfw.org/resources/levelxmagazine/0203_Soviet-Afghan%20War.pdf The Soviet-Afghan War: Breaking the Hammer & Sickle, "the PDPA moved to promote state atheism. Men were obliged to cut beards, women to wear a burqa, and mosques were placed off limits." So which is it? Ben5jaaan ( talk) 14:24, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
I don't know anything about it, so I can't write it, but this article desperately needs an introduction. It leads off naming people whose positions within the government aren't very clear, or without saying "The Democratic Republic of Afghanistan was a communist republic governing what is now the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan." or whatever the current formal name of Afghanistan is. Jake 08:04, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
Large numbers of the sections had hard carriage returns in them, which is somewhat suspect of being a copy and paste from possibly copyrighted sources. This ver, if edited, will show the sections. 68.39.174.238 17:26, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
Afghanistan was part of Greater Iran so their is no vandalism in this. Afghanistan was created in late 19th century so before that it was part of Greater Iran.
-- Anoshirawan 00:27, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Afghanistan was a country that was created by the British in the 19th century, Before that it was part of Greater Iran and it shares a common history with Iranians. Its more logical to have the greater Iran side bar than only the other one. and giving truth isnt vandalism.
--
Anoshirawan 01:18, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
This article discusses the politics of the modern state of Afghanistan, not the chimaeric construction that it might -or might not- have been part of in a distant past. That template is completely inappropriate here, and if you continue to insert it, you will be reported for violation of WP:3RR. Raoulduke47 11:26, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
Other than that single article by the UK Guardian, are there any more articles/books written regarding the Communist era in Afghanistan? It's interesting and refreshing to finally read something remotely positive about communism in the Western media. 137.82.117.244 ( talk) 01:13, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
Besides the genocide everything was just nifty. 200.74.67.28 ( talk) 22:50, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
The opening paragraph in the first section is: "In 1978 a prominent member of the People's Democratic Party of Afghanistan (PDPA), Mohammed Akbar Khaibar, was killed by the government of President Mohammed Daoud Khan.[2] The leaders of the PDPA apparently feared that Daoud was planning to exterminate them all, especially since most of them were arrested, including Nur Muhammad Taraki and Babrak Karmal, while Amin was put under house arrest where he gave instructions to his son to carry to his army which initiated the Saur Revolution, [3] Hafizullah Amin a number of military wing officers of the PDPA managed to remain at large and organized."
I changed the names to be the full names, but I'm not sure if I got them right. I find this paragraph to be very confusing and would like to edit it to make it more readable, but I know diddly about Afghanistan.
My first question is has to do with the following: "while Amin was put under house arrest where he gave instructions to his son to carry to his army which initiated the Saur Revolution, [3] Hafizullah Amin a number of military wing officers of the PDPA managed to remain at large and organized."
Is Amin who was put under arrest and gave instructions to his son the same person as Hafizullah Amin? I looked at Hafizullah Amin's page, and it states that he was arrested, then released, after which the Saur Revolution was initiated. (I think - I'll go back and check, and like I said, I know diddly about this subject.) Hafizullah Amin's page does not mention his son. (Again, I think)
Neefer ( talk) 21:34, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
= I just discoverd, if it wern't for us afganistan would be just like kazakhstan or Turkey, Ironic.-- J intela ( talk) 19:08, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved Mike Cline ( talk) 18:56, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
Per
WP:COMMONNAME, the official name of communist Afghanistan was first the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan, but in 1987, in the
National Reconciliation effort, the name of communis Afghanistan was changed to the Republic of Afghanistan. Since there were two official names for the period, the wikipedia community should move the article from Democratic Republic of Afghanistan to Communist Afghanistan or Communist-ruled Afghanistan.
A lot of this article is based on the two books by J. Bruce Amstutz, US charge daffaires in Kabul from 1977 to 1980, written in 1994. Considering that the U.S. government was hostile to this government and by the summer of of 1979 was organizing an armed putsch to overthrow it Amstutz is not a neutral source for this subject. It's disingenuous to the reader that at least Amstutz's occupation is not mentioned considering his prominence here. There's been much english language scholarship done on Afghanistan in recent years, not by diplomats, which should be included here. ( talk • Rarwaw ( talk) 09:01, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Democratic Republic of Afghanistan's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "cp":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 02:14, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
{{u|GreekSocialist100]]: These edits were originally accompanied by edit summaries stating that you were making only minor edits, correcting misspellings and "updating" information. Your edits were not minor. You were not correcting misspellings. There is nothing to "update" about a topic that essentially ceased to exist 23 years ago. Your edit summaries are completely unrelated to the edits you are making. Rather than calling me a troll (which I am not), please address the problem. - SummerPhD ( talk) 21:47, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
The DR Afghanistan was never a socialist state, nor was the PDPA a communist party. From William Blum's Killing Hope:
After the April revolution, the new government under President Noor Mohammed Taraki declared a commitment to Islam within a secular state, and to non-alignment in foreign affairs. It maintained that the coup had not been foreign inspired, that it was not a “Communist takeover”, and that they were not “Communists” but rather nationalists and revolutionaries. (No official or traditional Communist Party had ever existed in Afghanistan.) But because of its radical reform program, its class-struggle and anti-imperialist-type rhetoric, its support of all the usual suspects (Cuba, North Korea, etc.), its signing of a friendship treaty and other cooperative agreements with the Soviet Union, and an increased presence in the country of Soviet civilian and military advisers (though probably less than the US had in Iran at the time), it was labeled “communist” by the world’s media and by its domestic opponents. [1]
Furthermore, the 1980 Fundamental Principles of the DR Afghanistan only declared the state to be a democratic republic that recognized the importance of Islam and the UN Charter and Universal Declaration of Human Rights. So this was not a socialist republic. 2601:187:4301:61B0:4979:4E6A:301:61E7 ( talk) 18:33, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
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Anybody have a full text of it? I'd like to read it. – Illegitimate Barrister ( talk • contribs), 03:25, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
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It appears that this article has been duplicated, at least in part, into Republic of Afghanistan (1987–1992). - LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆ transmissions∆ ° co-ords° 15:54, 10 June 2022 (UTC)