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Okay, this is the first time that this "Six" guy has ever heard of this particular aircraft being referred to as the "Cornfield Bomber" - doesn't sound right anyway as the aircraft generally never was used as a bomber (although some enterprising prankster did manage to hang some bombs on a bird during the TDY to Korea back in the sixties as a gag). Indeed, the referenced Air Force Magazine article makes no reference to that name (you'd think if it were in common parlance that they'd latch onto it add that zip to their story). So, what is the source of this name? Where's the documented reference? To avoid the appearance of original research in this "encyclopedia," perhaps this needs to be removed - don't know what you'd call this article then, but at least it wouldn't sound like someone wiki-ite just pulling stuff out of thin air (not that that ever happens ;') — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.158.48.12 ( talk) 16:36, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
- At least one ref already cited in the article calls it just that. - Ahunt ( talk) 20:00, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
In the article it says he ejected at 15,000 feet cited to a F-106 web site. But a video of an interview with the pilot he says he ejected at 8,000 feet. [1] 14:02, 18 October 2013 (UTC) Oct 18, 2013
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3M2XZEYqIpQ — Preceding unsigned comment added by DJRWolf ( talk • contribs) 14:04, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
- Is it normal operational practice to eject at 8 or 15 thousand feet, leaving the aircraft free to fly on and cause harm elsewhere? Shouldn't pilots be required to remain onboard as long as possible, so as to minimize the risk on harm on the ground?
Royalcourtier (
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- You seem to have missed the point that made the incident remarkable: at the time the pilot ejected, the aircraft was in a
flat spin that had proven unrecoverable. 99.9% of aircraft in that situation auger right in. This one, when the pilot ejected, had the center of gravity change (the weight of the pilot and seat having been removed) just so that the trim, also set just so, allowed the aircraft to recover itself. The suggestion of "requiring" pilots to remain onboard would first, in this case have been irrelevant (in an unrecoverable flat spin, you punch out, period), and would result in lots of dead pilots. (Many pilots choose to remain onboard as long as possible, in less dire circumstances, to steer clear of populated areas - and many who do it wind up dead heroes.) -
The Bushranger
One ping only 09:04, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
- Most military aircraft have a safety measure in place in the form of a small explosive located in the fuselage which, after a pilot ejects, detonates and destroys the aircraft. Primarily, this is done to prevent capture of the aircraft in enemy territory, though the side effect of that being that it also prevents the plane from striking any civilians on the ground. However, the caveat to this is that the demolition charge is disabled during state side flights, to prevent the aircraft from accidentally exploding (which could happen) due to a systems failure. Kitsunedawn ( talk) 08:34, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
- You seem to have missed the point that made the incident remarkable: at the time the pilot ejected, the aircraft was in a
flat spin that had proven unrecoverable. 99.9% of aircraft in that situation auger right in. This one, when the pilot ejected, had the center of gravity change (the weight of the pilot and seat having been removed) just so that the trim, also set just so, allowed the aircraft to recover itself. The suggestion of "requiring" pilots to remain onboard would first, in this case have been irrelevant (in an unrecoverable flat spin, you punch out, period), and would result in lots of dead pilots. (Many pilots choose to remain onboard as long as possible, in less dire circumstances, to steer clear of populated areas - and many who do it wind up dead heroes.) -
The Bushranger
One ping only 09:04, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
- Is it normal operational practice to eject at 8 or 15 thousand feet, leaving the aircraft free to fly on and cause harm elsewhere? Shouldn't pilots be required to remain onboard as long as possible, so as to minimize the risk on harm on the ground?
Royalcourtier (
talk) 05:55, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3M2XZEYqIpQ.
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The Wikipedia page on spin states that prone aircraft have their centre of gravity (CoG) too far aft and that "If the center of gravity of the airplane is behind the aft limit approved for spinning, any spin may prove to be unrecoverable except by using some special spin-recovery device such as a spin-recovery parachute specially installed in the tail of the airplane; or by jettisoning specially installed ballast at the tail of the airplane." In the case of the Cornfield Bomber, the loss of the pilot and the canopy would have pushed the CoG even further aft, so the explanation of recovery is at odds with the page on spin. Could, perhaps, the two be reconciled by someone? JBel ( talk) 20:45, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
- Each aircraft has its own aerodynamic vs C of G characteristics. In the case of the F-106 it is possible that the aft shift of the C of G was overcome by other factors, such as the aerodynamic changes caused by jettisoning the canopy, but without a ref to spell this out we can't be sure. - Ahunt ( talk) 13:04, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks Ahunt. From this article: "The reduction in weight and change in center of gravity caused by the removal of the pilot, [1] coupled with the blast force of his seat rocketing out of the plane pushing the nose of the aircraft down, [2] which had been trimmed by Faust for takeoff and idle throttle, caused the aircraft to recover from the spin. [1]"
Sources mentioned in this page appear to disagree on the name and rank of the pilot. Both "Captain Gary Faust" and "1st Lieutenant Gary Foust" are in the references (Historic Wings and Air Force Magazine, respectively). What's his true name and (at the time of the incident) rank? -- Bill-on-the-Hill ( talk) 01:04, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
- This looks definitive, being put out by the US Air Force Museum and including an interview with the pilot himself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3M2XZEYqIpQ
- Note that Maj.(Ret.) Gary Foust's rank at the time of the incident is not mentioned. -- Bill-on-the-Hill ( talk) 19:19, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
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Okay, this is the first time that this "Six" guy has ever heard of this particular aircraft being referred to as the "Cornfield Bomber" - doesn't sound right anyway as the aircraft generally never was used as a bomber (although some enterprising prankster did manage to hang some bombs on a bird during the TDY to Korea back in the sixties as a gag). Indeed, the referenced Air Force Magazine article makes no reference to that name (you'd think if it were in common parlance that they'd latch onto it add that zip to their story). So, what is the source of this name? Where's the documented reference? To avoid the appearance of original research in this "encyclopedia," perhaps this needs to be removed - don't know what you'd call this article then, but at least it wouldn't sound like someone wiki-ite just pulling stuff out of thin air (not that that ever happens ;') — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.158.48.12 ( talk) 16:36, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
- At least one ref already cited in the article calls it just that. - Ahunt ( talk) 20:00, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
In the article it says he ejected at 15,000 feet cited to a F-106 web site. But a video of an interview with the pilot he says he ejected at 8,000 feet. [1] 14:02, 18 October 2013 (UTC) Oct 18, 2013
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3M2XZEYqIpQ — Preceding unsigned comment added by DJRWolf ( talk • contribs) 14:04, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
- Is it normal operational practice to eject at 8 or 15 thousand feet, leaving the aircraft free to fly on and cause harm elsewhere? Shouldn't pilots be required to remain onboard as long as possible, so as to minimize the risk on harm on the ground?
Royalcourtier (
talk) 05:55, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
- You seem to have missed the point that made the incident remarkable: at the time the pilot ejected, the aircraft was in a
flat spin that had proven unrecoverable. 99.9% of aircraft in that situation auger right in. This one, when the pilot ejected, had the center of gravity change (the weight of the pilot and seat having been removed) just so that the trim, also set just so, allowed the aircraft to recover itself. The suggestion of "requiring" pilots to remain onboard would first, in this case have been irrelevant (in an unrecoverable flat spin, you punch out, period), and would result in lots of dead pilots. (Many pilots choose to remain onboard as long as possible, in less dire circumstances, to steer clear of populated areas - and many who do it wind up dead heroes.) -
The Bushranger
One ping only 09:04, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
- Most military aircraft have a safety measure in place in the form of a small explosive located in the fuselage which, after a pilot ejects, detonates and destroys the aircraft. Primarily, this is done to prevent capture of the aircraft in enemy territory, though the side effect of that being that it also prevents the plane from striking any civilians on the ground. However, the caveat to this is that the demolition charge is disabled during state side flights, to prevent the aircraft from accidentally exploding (which could happen) due to a systems failure. Kitsunedawn ( talk) 08:34, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
- You seem to have missed the point that made the incident remarkable: at the time the pilot ejected, the aircraft was in a
flat spin that had proven unrecoverable. 99.9% of aircraft in that situation auger right in. This one, when the pilot ejected, had the center of gravity change (the weight of the pilot and seat having been removed) just so that the trim, also set just so, allowed the aircraft to recover itself. The suggestion of "requiring" pilots to remain onboard would first, in this case have been irrelevant (in an unrecoverable flat spin, you punch out, period), and would result in lots of dead pilots. (Many pilots choose to remain onboard as long as possible, in less dire circumstances, to steer clear of populated areas - and many who do it wind up dead heroes.) -
The Bushranger
One ping only 09:04, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
- Is it normal operational practice to eject at 8 or 15 thousand feet, leaving the aircraft free to fly on and cause harm elsewhere? Shouldn't pilots be required to remain onboard as long as possible, so as to minimize the risk on harm on the ground?
Royalcourtier (
talk) 05:55, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
References
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3M2XZEYqIpQ.
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The Wikipedia page on spin states that prone aircraft have their centre of gravity (CoG) too far aft and that "If the center of gravity of the airplane is behind the aft limit approved for spinning, any spin may prove to be unrecoverable except by using some special spin-recovery device such as a spin-recovery parachute specially installed in the tail of the airplane; or by jettisoning specially installed ballast at the tail of the airplane." In the case of the Cornfield Bomber, the loss of the pilot and the canopy would have pushed the CoG even further aft, so the explanation of recovery is at odds with the page on spin. Could, perhaps, the two be reconciled by someone? JBel ( talk) 20:45, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
- Each aircraft has its own aerodynamic vs C of G characteristics. In the case of the F-106 it is possible that the aft shift of the C of G was overcome by other factors, such as the aerodynamic changes caused by jettisoning the canopy, but without a ref to spell this out we can't be sure. - Ahunt ( talk) 13:04, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks Ahunt. From this article: "The reduction in weight and change in center of gravity caused by the removal of the pilot, [1] coupled with the blast force of his seat rocketing out of the plane pushing the nose of the aircraft down, [2] which had been trimmed by Faust for takeoff and idle throttle, caused the aircraft to recover from the spin. [1]"
Sources mentioned in this page appear to disagree on the name and rank of the pilot. Both "Captain Gary Faust" and "1st Lieutenant Gary Foust" are in the references (Historic Wings and Air Force Magazine, respectively). What's his true name and (at the time of the incident) rank? -- Bill-on-the-Hill ( talk) 01:04, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
- This looks definitive, being put out by the US Air Force Museum and including an interview with the pilot himself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3M2XZEYqIpQ
- Note that Maj.(Ret.) Gary Foust's rank at the time of the incident is not mentioned. -- Bill-on-the-Hill ( talk) 19:19, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
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