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Before editing, may I suggest reading the guidelines set forth in Wikipedia:Talk_page_guidelines. -- Mre env ( talk) 21:27, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
What, if any, falsifiable hypothesis does this theory make? -- Lbeaumont ( talk) 18:28, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
The article claims that constructal law predicts Leonardo da Vinci's rule. This probably refers to Leonardo da Vinci's tree rule. See: http://phys.org/news/2012-01-leonardo-da-vinci-tree.html However, the constructal law prediction seems to be based on hydraulics, which seems to be refuted by the article at: http://phys.org/news/2012-01-leonardo-da-vinci-tree.html So my questions are these:
Thanks! -- Lbeaumont ( talk) 20:07, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
I've got some concerns about this article both for violations of WP:NPOV in its presentation of this theory and WP:UNDUE with the weight given to sparse support in an article which seems to govern a notable WP:FRINGE topic. I've added tags and am bringing this to the attention of the NPOV noticeboard in hopes some people with more Physics experience than mine can lend a hand fixing. Simonm223 ( talk) 16:50, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
This "article" and the personal polemics contained here read like a pamphlet written by the author to promote his original research. The so-called "constructal law" is a fringe theory heavily promoted by a single individual and virtually no one else. Most references listed here are to Mr Bejan himself and/or his students. The "constructal law" borders on pseudoscience: the formulation is as vague as it is untestable. It fails to make any meaningful predictions, and I mean _original_ predictions in areas which have _not_ been already resolved by others (Horton, Kleiber). Presenting insights worked out by others in the context of one's "theory" is _not_ a prediction, but merely a re-formulation (at best). / WP:FRINGE/PS / WP:PROFRINGE / WP:NFRINGE / WP:UNDUE
I have moved the following links from the EL section because they may make good sources for article content but are inappropriate as ELs.
Joja lozzo 14:26, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
The following list of sources was included in the article in a "Popular literature" section. They should either be used as sources to support article content or dropped.
Joja lozzo 14:31, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
The list of examples of natural designs explained and unified by constructal law in the Constructal thermodynamics section had no sources. Such a long list with zero citations is a significant abuse of policy. I have moved the list here for holding so they can be moved back as sources are provided.
Joja lozzo 01:10, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
The lead as it currently stands needs some work. In its current position, for example, the quote "For a finite-size system to persist in time (to live), it must evolve in such a way that it provides easier access to the imposed currents that flow through it" needs some unpacking:
"The constructal law is receiving increased acceptance within the scientific community"
"to describe the natural tendency of flow systems ... to ... increase flow access"
Squiver ( talk) 11:57, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
References
http://zone34retentioncentral.blogspot.com/2016/06/the-rotary-network-s-growth-why-it.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:703:200:A65C:9D9:11A3:8DC2:694F ( talk) 21:42, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
The tenets of this (which I've only skimmed briefly) remind me of Antonio Lima-de-Faria (1988) 'Evolution without Selection. Form and Function by Autoevolution'. A 'whoosh!' intro to it may be found here: ( http://wasdarwinwrong.com/kortho12.htm). 2001:8A0:F009:9A01:F555:3AF2:46E8:3CC5 ( talk) 01:51, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
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because it is an established law and field, and it is used now by scientists world over. Shaojun xia ( talk) 12:54, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
Constructal theory is widely used in various fields, and the theory puts forward the structure evolution of recognizing things for us to provide a new Angle of view. Deep understanding and application of the Constructal theory for more and more scholars can promote the progress of science and technology very likely. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yang Aibo ( talk • contribs) 14:47, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
Constructal theroy is widely used as a powerful tool for the design of various devices as well as the analyses and predictions of various configurations. Direct access to the constrctual law is beneficial to numerous scholars of various fields who are using this theory. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chao Wang ( talk • contribs) 01:40, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
constuctal theory provides a broad converage of "designedness"eveywhere, from engineering to geophysics and biology,it has a great value to search constuctal theory . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Penglei Li ( talk • contribs) 02:35, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
Constructal law is a theory concerning the evolution of design in nature. From the perspective of biological evolution, some of its ideas are consistent with the theory of evolution. As we all know, the theory of evolution is also controversial, but we cannot deny its reasonability. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cx liu ( talk • contribs) 03:23, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
The Constructal Law is well established in Physics, and are applied by many researchers and authors all over the world, especially by young scientists. There is no need to describe professor Adrian Bejan, the founder of constructal law, because he is already well known and highly reputable in terms of scientific and engineering novel concepts and guidelines. Constructal-law articles and reviews appear regularly, in strict peer review journals, e.g. the Journal of Applied Physics (American Physics Institute). The constructal law is now well-recognized in terms of growing citations and the publications. Therefore, I ask Wikipedia, to keep Constructal law page. MH Heat transfer ( talk) 08:19, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
Anyone who wants to contribute to the AFD, should do so at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Constructal law, not here. Note that per WP:DISCUSSAFD the opinions of new single purpose accounts are likely to be discounted, Meters ( talk) 03:35, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
Any mention of this "law" or its author, must be accompanied by critical reviews by subject experts professionally removed from the author's inner circle of decibels and fanboys. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Randall Lee Reetz ( talk • contribs) 20:06, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
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Before editing, may I suggest reading the guidelines set forth in Wikipedia:Talk_page_guidelines. -- Mre env ( talk) 21:27, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
What, if any, falsifiable hypothesis does this theory make? -- Lbeaumont ( talk) 18:28, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
The article claims that constructal law predicts Leonardo da Vinci's rule. This probably refers to Leonardo da Vinci's tree rule. See: http://phys.org/news/2012-01-leonardo-da-vinci-tree.html However, the constructal law prediction seems to be based on hydraulics, which seems to be refuted by the article at: http://phys.org/news/2012-01-leonardo-da-vinci-tree.html So my questions are these:
Thanks! -- Lbeaumont ( talk) 20:07, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
I've got some concerns about this article both for violations of WP:NPOV in its presentation of this theory and WP:UNDUE with the weight given to sparse support in an article which seems to govern a notable WP:FRINGE topic. I've added tags and am bringing this to the attention of the NPOV noticeboard in hopes some people with more Physics experience than mine can lend a hand fixing. Simonm223 ( talk) 16:50, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
This "article" and the personal polemics contained here read like a pamphlet written by the author to promote his original research. The so-called "constructal law" is a fringe theory heavily promoted by a single individual and virtually no one else. Most references listed here are to Mr Bejan himself and/or his students. The "constructal law" borders on pseudoscience: the formulation is as vague as it is untestable. It fails to make any meaningful predictions, and I mean _original_ predictions in areas which have _not_ been already resolved by others (Horton, Kleiber). Presenting insights worked out by others in the context of one's "theory" is _not_ a prediction, but merely a re-formulation (at best). / WP:FRINGE/PS / WP:PROFRINGE / WP:NFRINGE / WP:UNDUE
I have moved the following links from the EL section because they may make good sources for article content but are inappropriate as ELs.
Joja lozzo 14:26, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
The following list of sources was included in the article in a "Popular literature" section. They should either be used as sources to support article content or dropped.
Joja lozzo 14:31, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
The list of examples of natural designs explained and unified by constructal law in the Constructal thermodynamics section had no sources. Such a long list with zero citations is a significant abuse of policy. I have moved the list here for holding so they can be moved back as sources are provided.
Joja lozzo 01:10, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
The lead as it currently stands needs some work. In its current position, for example, the quote "For a finite-size system to persist in time (to live), it must evolve in such a way that it provides easier access to the imposed currents that flow through it" needs some unpacking:
"The constructal law is receiving increased acceptance within the scientific community"
"to describe the natural tendency of flow systems ... to ... increase flow access"
Squiver ( talk) 11:57, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
References
http://zone34retentioncentral.blogspot.com/2016/06/the-rotary-network-s-growth-why-it.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:703:200:A65C:9D9:11A3:8DC2:694F ( talk) 21:42, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
The tenets of this (which I've only skimmed briefly) remind me of Antonio Lima-de-Faria (1988) 'Evolution without Selection. Form and Function by Autoevolution'. A 'whoosh!' intro to it may be found here: ( http://wasdarwinwrong.com/kortho12.htm). 2001:8A0:F009:9A01:F555:3AF2:46E8:3CC5 ( talk) 01:51, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
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because it is an established law and field, and it is used now by scientists world over. Shaojun xia ( talk) 12:54, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
Constructal theory is widely used in various fields, and the theory puts forward the structure evolution of recognizing things for us to provide a new Angle of view. Deep understanding and application of the Constructal theory for more and more scholars can promote the progress of science and technology very likely. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yang Aibo ( talk • contribs) 14:47, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
Constructal theroy is widely used as a powerful tool for the design of various devices as well as the analyses and predictions of various configurations. Direct access to the constrctual law is beneficial to numerous scholars of various fields who are using this theory. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chao Wang ( talk • contribs) 01:40, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
constuctal theory provides a broad converage of "designedness"eveywhere, from engineering to geophysics and biology,it has a great value to search constuctal theory . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Penglei Li ( talk • contribs) 02:35, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
Constructal law is a theory concerning the evolution of design in nature. From the perspective of biological evolution, some of its ideas are consistent with the theory of evolution. As we all know, the theory of evolution is also controversial, but we cannot deny its reasonability. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cx liu ( talk • contribs) 03:23, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
The Constructal Law is well established in Physics, and are applied by many researchers and authors all over the world, especially by young scientists. There is no need to describe professor Adrian Bejan, the founder of constructal law, because he is already well known and highly reputable in terms of scientific and engineering novel concepts and guidelines. Constructal-law articles and reviews appear regularly, in strict peer review journals, e.g. the Journal of Applied Physics (American Physics Institute). The constructal law is now well-recognized in terms of growing citations and the publications. Therefore, I ask Wikipedia, to keep Constructal law page. MH Heat transfer ( talk) 08:19, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
Anyone who wants to contribute to the AFD, should do so at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Constructal law, not here. Note that per WP:DISCUSSAFD the opinions of new single purpose accounts are likely to be discounted, Meters ( talk) 03:35, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
Any mention of this "law" or its author, must be accompanied by critical reviews by subject experts professionally removed from the author's inner circle of decibels and fanboys. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Randall Lee Reetz ( talk • contribs) 20:06, 13 April 2020 (UTC)