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This guy is an author of books on ecology. He studied botany many years ago. He cannot claim to be a biologist. — Preceding
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Please do not misuse Wikipedia for character assassination. In the German-language Wikipedia a dirt campaign against Mr. Arvay, which apparently has his exclusion from the society to the goal, runs for a few weeks. I therefore suggest to protect this article from quick changes by newly registered users and to restore the old status - before user Ollyfelix. --– 2A01:C22:C00D:5300:BE5F:F4FF:FE8A:7248 ( talk) 14:47, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
I think we should keep an eye on Avary. He has books to sell, and I am pretty sure he is editing his own pages. He is a bit confused about Wikipedia, and he does not understand that he cannot use his Wiki entry as his "Lebenslauf". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.40.248.10 ( talk) 13:06, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
As far as I am concerned I don't think the edits from 27 September 2020 and later can be justified. They are mainly ad hominem attacks, e.g. "align with other conspiracy theories" and do not reflect the BLP standard of an encyclopedia. If there is no objection, I will revert to the pre-27 version on 4-10-2020 evening CEST. The concern that Arvay - that is his name - may use Wikipedia as his CV is unfounded as he runs his own website. Mregelsberger ( talk) 15:32, 3 October 2020 (UTC) ------------------- I fully agree with your sugestions. The English Wikipedia should not slip towards a kind of flamewar as is the German Wiki tending to. But maybe one or two sentences to note the actual status (opinion+criticism) in 2020 should do. ChJn ( talk) 13:42, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
I disagree, his latest videos are almost exclusively attacking Bill Gates and Covid Vaccines. Since he has no background in human phsyiology or virology, it is entirely acceptable to state that his views aligh with conspiracy theories. His videos are being shared 1000s of times by people in the anti-vax movement, and he has not disowned these people. These videos do not make any sense in terms of the central tenant to his works which is health ecology. His claims linking ecology with vaccines is tenuous at best. There should be serious concern that he is using the Corona Denier movement as a way of selling more of his books. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:A61:3A04:8401:C9AD:4CCD:3FB5:2B43 ( talk) 10:49, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
I am sorry, people use to sign their comments here. I will wait until tomorrow evening to find your signature or I proceed with the suggested edit, considering that there is no serious objection. Mregelsberger ( talk) 21:15, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
There is an ongoing edit war on the German Wikipedia Page on "Clemens Arvay". This edit war started after Arvay published critical articles on the shortening of safety procedures for vaccines against SARS-CoV-2. Do NOT allow the same edit war on the English Wikipedia please. The English Wikipedia is known for being rather free of such phenomenons. Arvay has 2 degress in life sciences. He ist clearly NOT an agronomist. His work is not related to agronomy either. His vita is public on his website: https://www.clemensarvay.com/about There are 5 confirmations of academic experts about his status, including an english one: https://6d0f65ae-3ec3-4e35-a70f-3840370e5ccd.usrfiles.com/ugd/6d0f65_699f336abb66407fb9dd195b847b5956.pdf ...and four German ones: https://www.clemensarvay.com/vita
Dear admins, please protect this article in case the attempts of manipulation go on. This war should not be allowed to swap over from Germany. Thank you.-- J Forkler ( talk) 18:02, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
Stop edit war slopping over from Germany
Reinhold Dieckmann edited this page and removed the term "life scientist". Minutes later he turned up in the German Wikipedia´s discussion page of the entry "Clemens Arvay", just to report that the English Wikipedia doesn´t list him as a biologist. Btw., until yesterday it did. But then the edit war slopped over from Germany. The same people who manipulate his page in the German version now manipulate the English one to referr to it. This is invalid. Once again: Arvay is educated in biological subjects, his work is centered on biology, and he is established as a biologist. German Google finds 18.000 hits for "Clemens Arvay" and "Biologe". There are also a view english google sources available on the web, but he is mainly active in Germany and Austria. One of 5 experts startements about this issue is in english: this one. People are now starting to alter the english Wikipedia page to refer to it in the German edit war. This is very questionable and should be avoided.-- 217.149.168.16 ( talk) 07:48, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
This German article about the situation was published in the German media: " Vaccination controversy: biologist Arvay critizises defamation campaign against critics" Btw. Neither does he critizise vaccines nor is he against vaccination. He only critizises the shortening, in his words: "telescoping", of safety procedures.)-- 217.149.168.16 ( talk) 07:59, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Please stop the attempts of inappropriate labelling in the intro.-- 213.225.35.57 ( talk) 12:01, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
In de-wiki, there is a CU running of various Sockpuppetry: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Checkuser/Anfragen/Benutzer_Bethelove,_Benutzer_Rosemary_Schauer,_Benutzer_BiMa62,_Benutzer_J_Forkler,_Benutzer_Oekomed,_Benutzer_Mara_Brunke
I suggest the IP or J Forkler should leave the article. -- Julius Senegal ( talk) 13:41, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
I am a long-time author on German Wikipedia. I report, that the Check User procedure (CU) in the German Wikiepdia showed that the above mentioned users are not sock puppets. No matches could be found between the profiles. The allegations that have been made here are false.-- KonradLorenz ( talk) 23:31, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
Greetings to everyone. I am from the German Wikipedia community. There have been discussions about the entry of the lemma person in the German community and consens has been found in many aspects. It would contribute to the quality of the English Wikipedia page if people from both "sides" would please stop adding poorly sourced content (YouTube is not a valid source, for example. If he plays music instruments is not relevant, etc.). I have translated a source based paragraph from the German page regarding the lemmapersons COVID-19 controversy. This text is the result of a consens from the German Wikipedia.-- KonradLorenz ( talk) 19:33, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
Youtue videos can be a useful reference. He is becoming more well known for his recent videos than for his books. I think it would be important to expand more on his Youtube presence, and maybe write less about his biography (maybe cut it down). Does anyone know what his book sales figures are? Are they 1000, 10000, 100000? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.40.248.10 ( talk) 13:13, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
Arvay has been credited by the European Countries Biologist Association as European Professional Biologist. [1] He ist recognized officially as biologist and that is why he should be also called biologist by Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Belladonna* ( talk • contribs) 09:02, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
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"classic Corona free rider" is quite an argument to make when NOBODY can be considered unaffected. He certainly profits from it but of course has skin in the game and any suggestion otherwise is just ridiculous! Maybe this should be adjusted! -- DeineWurstfinger ( talk) 11:25, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
The user Gypsyhungarian tried to quote the "corona free rider" from an invalid source, namely the nomination list of "Goldenes Brett". This is a public forum in which anyone could "nominate" anybody anonymously. It´s nothing more than a list which anyone can access and modify. This is absolutely not an acceptable source. -- 2A02:8109:8A80:F085:60B3:F720:BD02:B8CF ( talk) 08:53, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
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This article was edited to contain a total or partial translation of Clemens Arvay from the German Wikipedia. Consult the history of the original page to see a list of its authors. |
This guy is an author of books on ecology. He studied botany many years ago. He cannot claim to be a biologist. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Ollyfelix (
talk •
contribs) 11:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Please do not misuse Wikipedia for character assassination. In the German-language Wikipedia a dirt campaign against Mr. Arvay, which apparently has his exclusion from the society to the goal, runs for a few weeks. I therefore suggest to protect this article from quick changes by newly registered users and to restore the old status - before user Ollyfelix. --– 2A01:C22:C00D:5300:BE5F:F4FF:FE8A:7248 ( talk) 14:47, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
I think we should keep an eye on Avary. He has books to sell, and I am pretty sure he is editing his own pages. He is a bit confused about Wikipedia, and he does not understand that he cannot use his Wiki entry as his "Lebenslauf". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.40.248.10 ( talk) 13:06, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
As far as I am concerned I don't think the edits from 27 September 2020 and later can be justified. They are mainly ad hominem attacks, e.g. "align with other conspiracy theories" and do not reflect the BLP standard of an encyclopedia. If there is no objection, I will revert to the pre-27 version on 4-10-2020 evening CEST. The concern that Arvay - that is his name - may use Wikipedia as his CV is unfounded as he runs his own website. Mregelsberger ( talk) 15:32, 3 October 2020 (UTC) ------------------- I fully agree with your sugestions. The English Wikipedia should not slip towards a kind of flamewar as is the German Wiki tending to. But maybe one or two sentences to note the actual status (opinion+criticism) in 2020 should do. ChJn ( talk) 13:42, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
I disagree, his latest videos are almost exclusively attacking Bill Gates and Covid Vaccines. Since he has no background in human phsyiology or virology, it is entirely acceptable to state that his views aligh with conspiracy theories. His videos are being shared 1000s of times by people in the anti-vax movement, and he has not disowned these people. These videos do not make any sense in terms of the central tenant to his works which is health ecology. His claims linking ecology with vaccines is tenuous at best. There should be serious concern that he is using the Corona Denier movement as a way of selling more of his books. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:A61:3A04:8401:C9AD:4CCD:3FB5:2B43 ( talk) 10:49, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
I am sorry, people use to sign their comments here. I will wait until tomorrow evening to find your signature or I proceed with the suggested edit, considering that there is no serious objection. Mregelsberger ( talk) 21:15, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
There is an ongoing edit war on the German Wikipedia Page on "Clemens Arvay". This edit war started after Arvay published critical articles on the shortening of safety procedures for vaccines against SARS-CoV-2. Do NOT allow the same edit war on the English Wikipedia please. The English Wikipedia is known for being rather free of such phenomenons. Arvay has 2 degress in life sciences. He ist clearly NOT an agronomist. His work is not related to agronomy either. His vita is public on his website: https://www.clemensarvay.com/about There are 5 confirmations of academic experts about his status, including an english one: https://6d0f65ae-3ec3-4e35-a70f-3840370e5ccd.usrfiles.com/ugd/6d0f65_699f336abb66407fb9dd195b847b5956.pdf ...and four German ones: https://www.clemensarvay.com/vita
Dear admins, please protect this article in case the attempts of manipulation go on. This war should not be allowed to swap over from Germany. Thank you.-- J Forkler ( talk) 18:02, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
Stop edit war slopping over from Germany
Reinhold Dieckmann edited this page and removed the term "life scientist". Minutes later he turned up in the German Wikipedia´s discussion page of the entry "Clemens Arvay", just to report that the English Wikipedia doesn´t list him as a biologist. Btw., until yesterday it did. But then the edit war slopped over from Germany. The same people who manipulate his page in the German version now manipulate the English one to referr to it. This is invalid. Once again: Arvay is educated in biological subjects, his work is centered on biology, and he is established as a biologist. German Google finds 18.000 hits for "Clemens Arvay" and "Biologe". There are also a view english google sources available on the web, but he is mainly active in Germany and Austria. One of 5 experts startements about this issue is in english: this one. People are now starting to alter the english Wikipedia page to refer to it in the German edit war. This is very questionable and should be avoided.-- 217.149.168.16 ( talk) 07:48, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
This German article about the situation was published in the German media: " Vaccination controversy: biologist Arvay critizises defamation campaign against critics" Btw. Neither does he critizise vaccines nor is he against vaccination. He only critizises the shortening, in his words: "telescoping", of safety procedures.)-- 217.149.168.16 ( talk) 07:59, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Please stop the attempts of inappropriate labelling in the intro.-- 213.225.35.57 ( talk) 12:01, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
In de-wiki, there is a CU running of various Sockpuppetry: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Checkuser/Anfragen/Benutzer_Bethelove,_Benutzer_Rosemary_Schauer,_Benutzer_BiMa62,_Benutzer_J_Forkler,_Benutzer_Oekomed,_Benutzer_Mara_Brunke
I suggest the IP or J Forkler should leave the article. -- Julius Senegal ( talk) 13:41, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
I am a long-time author on German Wikipedia. I report, that the Check User procedure (CU) in the German Wikiepdia showed that the above mentioned users are not sock puppets. No matches could be found between the profiles. The allegations that have been made here are false.-- KonradLorenz ( talk) 23:31, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
Greetings to everyone. I am from the German Wikipedia community. There have been discussions about the entry of the lemma person in the German community and consens has been found in many aspects. It would contribute to the quality of the English Wikipedia page if people from both "sides" would please stop adding poorly sourced content (YouTube is not a valid source, for example. If he plays music instruments is not relevant, etc.). I have translated a source based paragraph from the German page regarding the lemmapersons COVID-19 controversy. This text is the result of a consens from the German Wikipedia.-- KonradLorenz ( talk) 19:33, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
Youtue videos can be a useful reference. He is becoming more well known for his recent videos than for his books. I think it would be important to expand more on his Youtube presence, and maybe write less about his biography (maybe cut it down). Does anyone know what his book sales figures are? Are they 1000, 10000, 100000? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.40.248.10 ( talk) 13:13, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
Arvay has been credited by the European Countries Biologist Association as European Professional Biologist. [1] He ist recognized officially as biologist and that is why he should be also called biologist by Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Belladonna* ( talk • contribs) 09:02, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
References
"classic Corona free rider" is quite an argument to make when NOBODY can be considered unaffected. He certainly profits from it but of course has skin in the game and any suggestion otherwise is just ridiculous! Maybe this should be adjusted! -- DeineWurstfinger ( talk) 11:25, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
The user Gypsyhungarian tried to quote the "corona free rider" from an invalid source, namely the nomination list of "Goldenes Brett". This is a public forum in which anyone could "nominate" anybody anonymously. It´s nothing more than a list which anyone can access and modify. This is absolutely not an acceptable source. -- 2A02:8109:8A80:F085:60B3:F720:BD02:B8CF ( talk) 08:53, 30 March 2021 (UTC)