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How is PO a "liberal conservative" party? In my mind, liberal conservatism is the result of either 1) a conservative party that adopts some liberal policies to appeal more to voters in the centre (like the Moderate Party in Sweden; their new leader talks a lot about "exclusion" and wants tax cuts to favour low- and middle-income earners) or 2) a liberal party that adopts some conservative policies to appeal more to voters on the right (like the Liberal Party in Australia; I refer especially to their immigration policy). In my mind, PO is a liberal party (or free market liberal if you want to be more precise). Their policies and general ideology seems to me to be thoroughly liberal, with the emphasis on freedom for the individual that goes with it. Tamino 12:59, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, I've just been on their website. They say they represent a "synthesis of liberal, conservative and Christian democracy" so I'll change it back to saying that the party is "liberal conservative". But I would recommend changing the name of the article to "Civic Platform", as this is their translation. In my view, the party's translation should be used - consider the confusion if the Danish party name Det Radikale Venstre (the Danish Social Liberal Party) was translated literally to "The Radical Left"! Tamino 13:09, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
The result of the debate was move. — Nightst a llion (?) 08:33, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Citizens Platform → Civic Platform - Two reasons for the new name:
At the moment, the new proposed name Civic Platform is already taken up by a redirect to the current page Citizens Platform. Deuar 14:31, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
Is "Platforma Obywatelska" definate or indefinate in Polish? I have always heard PO referred to as "Civic Platform" (indefinate), rather than "The Civic Platform". Tamino 20:07, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
...and PO refers to itself as "Civic Platform" (indefinate) on its website. Tamino 20:09, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
I agree that just "Civic Platform" does sound better, and avoids implying that PO has a monopoly of representing citizens. Tamino 10:27, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
The problem is that 'civic' relates to a city or town, 'civil' is much more general and is identified with the whole country. The name 'Platforma Obywatelska' means 'Platform of Civilians' more than 'Platform of Citizens' so I am convinced that 'Civil Platform' is the best option. Secondly platform is definite, you should use 'The Civil Platform' as far as you would use 'The Labour Party' in the same context. rabjan
Exactly. Also, I don't understand why "platform" is necessarily definate - there is such a thing as "a platform", after all. Tamino 14:49, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
The issue of classifying PO has been discussed above. Although their policy platform is strongly influenced by free-market liberalism, they describe themselves on their website as "a synthesis of Liberal, Conservative and Christian-Democratic beliefs". Thus " liberal conservative" is more appropriate than liberal. They are certainly similar to other liberal conservative parties, for example the Moderate Party of Sweden. Tamino 18:47, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Christian Democrat International no longer exists, because it was renamed in 2001 to Centrist Democrat International. There are no informations about Civic Platform affiliation to any of these organizations on the Internet, at least I haven't found any. If anyone can confirm that they are member party of CDI (or any other political international) and provide some reference, do it. Otherwise, information about their international affiliation will be deleted. Ammon86 14:19, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Plaese, don't paste the information about the trade unions. It's not true. I am sorry for my English. Encepence 13:28, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
PO's dominance is also a reflection of right-wing weakness and divisions, with PiS suffering a splinter in Autumn 2010.
As far as PO is rather center party than right-wing right now - is that sentence suggesting that PiS is more right wing than PO? Which way? This is nonsense. W.J.M. ( talk) 12:13, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
The last paragraph of the information about the party and the last two sentences of ideology strike me as biased against them and not really neutral. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.235.38.194 ( talk) 17:49, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
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Would like to add this info - ok?
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I would like to add this info to the section Regional assemblies 2018 - ok? -- 0e7s ( talk) 19:42, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
From the article: "Civic Platform combines ordoliberal stances on the economy with social conservative stances on social and ethical issues, including opposition to abortion, same-sex marriage, soft drug decriminalisation, euthanasia, fetal stem cell research, removal of crosses and other religious symbols in schools and public places, and partially to wide availability of in vitro fertilisation. The party also wants to criminalise gambling and supports religious education in schools and civil unions. Other socially conservative stances of the party include voting to ban designer drugs and amending the penal code to introduce mandatory chemical castration of paedophiles. However, it is somewhat less strident on social issues than Law and Justice. "
How might this possibly be described as social liberalism? Oddeivind ( talk) 20:15, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
The party is no longer opposed to any of that, and is in fact for every single thing mentioned. It is a socially liberal party LordParsifal ( talk) 04:05, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
Hi, there's been some recent disagreement over what ideologies should be listed in the infobox. I believe that the broad terms of "conservatism" and "liberalism" should be listed, even though other ideologies (e.g., Christian democracy, liberal conservatism, conservative liberalism, social liberalism) are accurate for describing all of PO or factions within it. My argument in favor of the terms "conservatism" and "liberalism" is that since the infobox is intended to be a concise summary of the article content, the broader terms should be used, since they include the other accurate ideologies. For example, Christian democracy falls under the umbrella of conservatism, and social liberalism falls under the umbrella of liberalism. Therefore, I think that although other accurate ideologies should be included in the article body (as they are under #Ideology), the infobox should only retain "liberalism" and "conservatism" (and possibly "pro-Europeanism", but that one would warrant a separate discussion). Could some other editors provide their opinions on this? Thanks, Ezhao02 ( talk) 14:12, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
@ Autospark: I've restored a couple more sources and ideologies that I assume you actually didn't want to remove. Should the infobox get changed to just "liberal conservatism" and "liberalism", or should it stay how it is? Looking at the discussion above, Ezhao and you have agreed to the change. -- Vacant0 ( talk) 16:33, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
I think we should add, "Pro-Europeanism" into the ideology section. 84.149.67.232 ( talk) 17:06, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
I believe that the political position in infobox should be changed to simple "centre" rather than "centre to centre-right". Because the PO is described as a centre-left party.
Ideology and political position should be applied differently from country to country. The Polish political environment is closer to South Korea than to Germany or France. In South Korea or United States. Poland, South Korea, and the United States have something in common that there are no social democratic parties among the two major parties, only conservative and liberal parties. South Korea's DPK is left-liberal by South Korean standards, but policy will be more socially conservative than PO. In Germany, where the political environment is liberal, green politics is more of a centrist. In Poland, where the political environment is conservative, liberal-conservatism is more of a centrist. Poles usually recognize PiS as political centre-right, but do not recognize PO as political centre-right. (Of course I don't think PiS is a centre-right.) Mureungdowon ( talk) 22:50, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
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As discussed below, under Mr Tusk's leadership, Civic Platform turned from being a centre-right liberal-conservative party into an ideologically eclectic centrist grouping...
After the PiS government passed the controversial "Lex Tusk" law, Civic platform may field a different candidate in this year's election. 2A02:3030:805:B498:1:0:4120:CB3D ( talk) 21:28, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
The party is definitely centre-right, similar to Fine Gael or Venstre. 2A02:3030:805:EAA8:1:0:6DD0:D98E ( talk) 14:36, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
In no way this party is anything else than Centre-right moderate conservative. 2A02:3030:806:7530:1:0:FB18:33B5 ( talk) 12:45, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
The party's leader has recently shifted the party's image to the right because of his recent statements about taxes and immigration from muslim-majority countries. 2A02:8108:1640:5282:DCE2:1E82:B3F3:AD13 ( talk) 13:22, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
Put them back in! 2A02:3030:81D:7A47:1:0:2D13:78EC ( talk) 18:48, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
Civic Platform is now de facto a social-liberal party. The party turns every year futher to centre-left politics and has no more connections with centre-right as most of conservative and Christian democratic politicians left the party to join centre-right coaltions (like Polish People's Party, Poland 2050 and their "Third Way").
Civic Platform isn't absolutely anti-immigration, it supported taking in refugees (both in 2015 and 2021). The leader of the party didn't make any anti-immigrant stances - moreover, he supported taking refugees in past.
Stop making false statements, in Poland nobody would call this party centre-right, even their own politicians. PikselowyPrezes ( talk) 14:08, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
PO might be centre-left in the Polish context, but it is definitely centre-right by European standards. -- Checco ( talk) 18:18, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
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KO is made up of several parties, the largest of which is Civic Platform (Platforma Obywatelska—PO). PO was in power twice: from 2007 until 2011 and later, between 2011 and 2015, acting as a senior partner in a coalition with the Polish People's Party (PSL) and occupied the office of the Prime Minister for two full terms. This center-right party formed in 2001 combines economic neoliberalism with social conservatism.
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PO is similar to the greek ND, as it ranges from light social conservatism to progressivism, is slightly nationalist, favors the free market, wants to limit immigration, is in the EPP group, is pro-european and wants more funds from EU. Make the Position "Centre-right to right-wing". 2.247.240.83 ( talk) 09:14, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
Tge party Leader Tusk has recently accused Kaczyński of being gay and he joked about it publicly.
https://www.tysol.pl/a108103-skandaliczne-slowa-tuska-w-ustroniu-oburzenie-lewicowych-aktywistow 2A02:8108:1640:5282:588B:34C3:D6D:B6A1 ( talk) 15:08, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
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2023 parliamentary elections: Coalition Octilllion ( talk) 17:25, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
I want to changed this party's position from centre-right to centre to centre right because in the ideology section there are 3 sources that say the this party is a centrist one and 6 sources that say the this party is a centre-right one. What are your opinions about this change proposal?
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41 senators, law and justice independents are listed with the party. I don't see why PO ones wouldn't be Octilllion ( talk) 18:22, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
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Can somebody add economic liberalism to the ideologies. The sources is from [30] and [45] from /info/en/?search=Civic_Platform#Ideology. 75.113.159.27 ( talk) 03:42, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
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How is PO a "liberal conservative" party? In my mind, liberal conservatism is the result of either 1) a conservative party that adopts some liberal policies to appeal more to voters in the centre (like the Moderate Party in Sweden; their new leader talks a lot about "exclusion" and wants tax cuts to favour low- and middle-income earners) or 2) a liberal party that adopts some conservative policies to appeal more to voters on the right (like the Liberal Party in Australia; I refer especially to their immigration policy). In my mind, PO is a liberal party (or free market liberal if you want to be more precise). Their policies and general ideology seems to me to be thoroughly liberal, with the emphasis on freedom for the individual that goes with it. Tamino 12:59, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, I've just been on their website. They say they represent a "synthesis of liberal, conservative and Christian democracy" so I'll change it back to saying that the party is "liberal conservative". But I would recommend changing the name of the article to "Civic Platform", as this is their translation. In my view, the party's translation should be used - consider the confusion if the Danish party name Det Radikale Venstre (the Danish Social Liberal Party) was translated literally to "The Radical Left"! Tamino 13:09, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
The result of the debate was move. — Nightst a llion (?) 08:33, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Citizens Platform → Civic Platform - Two reasons for the new name:
At the moment, the new proposed name Civic Platform is already taken up by a redirect to the current page Citizens Platform. Deuar 14:31, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
Is "Platforma Obywatelska" definate or indefinate in Polish? I have always heard PO referred to as "Civic Platform" (indefinate), rather than "The Civic Platform". Tamino 20:07, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
...and PO refers to itself as "Civic Platform" (indefinate) on its website. Tamino 20:09, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
I agree that just "Civic Platform" does sound better, and avoids implying that PO has a monopoly of representing citizens. Tamino 10:27, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
The problem is that 'civic' relates to a city or town, 'civil' is much more general and is identified with the whole country. The name 'Platforma Obywatelska' means 'Platform of Civilians' more than 'Platform of Citizens' so I am convinced that 'Civil Platform' is the best option. Secondly platform is definite, you should use 'The Civil Platform' as far as you would use 'The Labour Party' in the same context. rabjan
Exactly. Also, I don't understand why "platform" is necessarily definate - there is such a thing as "a platform", after all. Tamino 14:49, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
The issue of classifying PO has been discussed above. Although their policy platform is strongly influenced by free-market liberalism, they describe themselves on their website as "a synthesis of Liberal, Conservative and Christian-Democratic beliefs". Thus " liberal conservative" is more appropriate than liberal. They are certainly similar to other liberal conservative parties, for example the Moderate Party of Sweden. Tamino 18:47, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Christian Democrat International no longer exists, because it was renamed in 2001 to Centrist Democrat International. There are no informations about Civic Platform affiliation to any of these organizations on the Internet, at least I haven't found any. If anyone can confirm that they are member party of CDI (or any other political international) and provide some reference, do it. Otherwise, information about their international affiliation will be deleted. Ammon86 14:19, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Plaese, don't paste the information about the trade unions. It's not true. I am sorry for my English. Encepence 13:28, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
PO's dominance is also a reflection of right-wing weakness and divisions, with PiS suffering a splinter in Autumn 2010.
As far as PO is rather center party than right-wing right now - is that sentence suggesting that PiS is more right wing than PO? Which way? This is nonsense. W.J.M. ( talk) 12:13, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
The last paragraph of the information about the party and the last two sentences of ideology strike me as biased against them and not really neutral. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.235.38.194 ( talk) 17:49, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
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Would like to add this info - ok?
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I would like to add this info to the section Regional assemblies 2018 - ok? -- 0e7s ( talk) 19:42, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
From the article: "Civic Platform combines ordoliberal stances on the economy with social conservative stances on social and ethical issues, including opposition to abortion, same-sex marriage, soft drug decriminalisation, euthanasia, fetal stem cell research, removal of crosses and other religious symbols in schools and public places, and partially to wide availability of in vitro fertilisation. The party also wants to criminalise gambling and supports religious education in schools and civil unions. Other socially conservative stances of the party include voting to ban designer drugs and amending the penal code to introduce mandatory chemical castration of paedophiles. However, it is somewhat less strident on social issues than Law and Justice. "
How might this possibly be described as social liberalism? Oddeivind ( talk) 20:15, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
The party is no longer opposed to any of that, and is in fact for every single thing mentioned. It is a socially liberal party LordParsifal ( talk) 04:05, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
Hi, there's been some recent disagreement over what ideologies should be listed in the infobox. I believe that the broad terms of "conservatism" and "liberalism" should be listed, even though other ideologies (e.g., Christian democracy, liberal conservatism, conservative liberalism, social liberalism) are accurate for describing all of PO or factions within it. My argument in favor of the terms "conservatism" and "liberalism" is that since the infobox is intended to be a concise summary of the article content, the broader terms should be used, since they include the other accurate ideologies. For example, Christian democracy falls under the umbrella of conservatism, and social liberalism falls under the umbrella of liberalism. Therefore, I think that although other accurate ideologies should be included in the article body (as they are under #Ideology), the infobox should only retain "liberalism" and "conservatism" (and possibly "pro-Europeanism", but that one would warrant a separate discussion). Could some other editors provide their opinions on this? Thanks, Ezhao02 ( talk) 14:12, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
@ Autospark: I've restored a couple more sources and ideologies that I assume you actually didn't want to remove. Should the infobox get changed to just "liberal conservatism" and "liberalism", or should it stay how it is? Looking at the discussion above, Ezhao and you have agreed to the change. -- Vacant0 ( talk) 16:33, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
I think we should add, "Pro-Europeanism" into the ideology section. 84.149.67.232 ( talk) 17:06, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
I believe that the political position in infobox should be changed to simple "centre" rather than "centre to centre-right". Because the PO is described as a centre-left party.
Ideology and political position should be applied differently from country to country. The Polish political environment is closer to South Korea than to Germany or France. In South Korea or United States. Poland, South Korea, and the United States have something in common that there are no social democratic parties among the two major parties, only conservative and liberal parties. South Korea's DPK is left-liberal by South Korean standards, but policy will be more socially conservative than PO. In Germany, where the political environment is liberal, green politics is more of a centrist. In Poland, where the political environment is conservative, liberal-conservatism is more of a centrist. Poles usually recognize PiS as political centre-right, but do not recognize PO as political centre-right. (Of course I don't think PiS is a centre-right.) Mureungdowon ( talk) 22:50, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
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As discussed below, under Mr Tusk's leadership, Civic Platform turned from being a centre-right liberal-conservative party into an ideologically eclectic centrist grouping...
After the PiS government passed the controversial "Lex Tusk" law, Civic platform may field a different candidate in this year's election. 2A02:3030:805:B498:1:0:4120:CB3D ( talk) 21:28, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
The party is definitely centre-right, similar to Fine Gael or Venstre. 2A02:3030:805:EAA8:1:0:6DD0:D98E ( talk) 14:36, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
In no way this party is anything else than Centre-right moderate conservative. 2A02:3030:806:7530:1:0:FB18:33B5 ( talk) 12:45, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
The party's leader has recently shifted the party's image to the right because of his recent statements about taxes and immigration from muslim-majority countries. 2A02:8108:1640:5282:DCE2:1E82:B3F3:AD13 ( talk) 13:22, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
Put them back in! 2A02:3030:81D:7A47:1:0:2D13:78EC ( talk) 18:48, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
Civic Platform is now de facto a social-liberal party. The party turns every year futher to centre-left politics and has no more connections with centre-right as most of conservative and Christian democratic politicians left the party to join centre-right coaltions (like Polish People's Party, Poland 2050 and their "Third Way").
Civic Platform isn't absolutely anti-immigration, it supported taking in refugees (both in 2015 and 2021). The leader of the party didn't make any anti-immigrant stances - moreover, he supported taking refugees in past.
Stop making false statements, in Poland nobody would call this party centre-right, even their own politicians. PikselowyPrezes ( talk) 14:08, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
PO might be centre-left in the Polish context, but it is definitely centre-right by European standards. -- Checco ( talk) 18:18, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
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KO is made up of several parties, the largest of which is Civic Platform (Platforma Obywatelska—PO). PO was in power twice: from 2007 until 2011 and later, between 2011 and 2015, acting as a senior partner in a coalition with the Polish People's Party (PSL) and occupied the office of the Prime Minister for two full terms. This center-right party formed in 2001 combines economic neoliberalism with social conservatism.
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PO is similar to the greek ND, as it ranges from light social conservatism to progressivism, is slightly nationalist, favors the free market, wants to limit immigration, is in the EPP group, is pro-european and wants more funds from EU. Make the Position "Centre-right to right-wing". 2.247.240.83 ( talk) 09:14, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
Tge party Leader Tusk has recently accused Kaczyński of being gay and he joked about it publicly.
https://www.tysol.pl/a108103-skandaliczne-slowa-tuska-w-ustroniu-oburzenie-lewicowych-aktywistow 2A02:8108:1640:5282:588B:34C3:D6D:B6A1 ( talk) 15:08, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
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2023 parliamentary elections: Coalition Octilllion ( talk) 17:25, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
I want to changed this party's position from centre-right to centre to centre right because in the ideology section there are 3 sources that say the this party is a centrist one and 6 sources that say the this party is a centre-right one. What are your opinions about this change proposal?
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41 senators, law and justice independents are listed with the party. I don't see why PO ones wouldn't be Octilllion ( talk) 18:22, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
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Can somebody add economic liberalism to the ideologies. The sources is from [30] and [45] from /info/en/?search=Civic_Platform#Ideology. 75.113.159.27 ( talk) 03:42, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
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