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I thought that the Citroen 2 CV was designed by Ferdinand Porsche when he was captured by the French during World War II. And it was called "Porsche's Revenge". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Furjaw ( talk • contribs) 19:25, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
Highly unlikely any French engineer at the time would be capable of designing an automobile. Porsche was already being held against his will so it would be unlikely he would get any design credit as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.42.196.20 ( talk) 05:23, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
I remember in the 60s and 70s they were referred to as "Porsche's Revenge" in Europe so I'm willing to bet there's some truth behind that. -- Jens Zastrow 12.185.193.35 ( talk) 01:17, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
I seem to recall my parents, who spent quite a bit of time in France in the '60s, often referred to this car as the "cigarette roller" because of its appearance. Can someone confirm that this was a common nickname for the vehicle? 71.199.122.99 ( talk) 00:32, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
My German uncles called it that in the ‘50’s. I used it just giggle.
When I was a young child in the early 60s, we lived in France as my father was assigned there with the U.S. Army. I remember all of the Americans there referred to the Citroen 2cv as a "Cigarette Roller"...I never heard a definitive reason why, but was told it was because of the rounded shape of the car. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RichP8 ( talk • contribs) 19:15, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
The CV seems to be a unit used to place french cars in different tax classes based on how the engine power relates to the polluting level. Puissance fiscale is the french name for this unit, and there is a description of the formula on this page http://www.lewebdesconducteurs.com/guide/technique/unites.htm
This knowledge comes from a webpage run by a norwegian enthusiast http://home.no.net/kjellts/2cvev/a/hvorfor-cv.shtml
Christian Dyrop
CV = Cheval Vapeur (Steam Horse) the expression was already old fashioned in the 40's everybody said Cheval or Cheval Fiscal. Ericd 07:57, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I removed : "The car had no door locks, no indicators (half-windows allowing hand signals), no electric starter, almost no instrumentation, one rear light, one stop lamp, and no heating. " That was true for the prototype not for the production car.
By the wording structure(since corrected by me) combined with the tecnical layout, it appears there is a possibility that this article is no more than a quick, careless, cut and paste job. I believe therefore, the question of copright has to be a real concern. Perhaps it should be looked at further. Olga Bityerkokoff
Could we get an explanation for the curious phrase "suicide doors"? -- Infrogmation 01:13 Apr 16, 2003 (UTC)
I wonder if the reference to the Stout Scarab should be kept. 9 Scarab only were produced. Does it qualify the Scarab as a production car ? Ericd 15:41 Apr 16, 2003 (UTC)
I remember of a 2CV destroyed by helicopters in "Apocalypse Now" who can confirm ? Ericd 16:07 Apr 16, 2003 (UTC)
I can confirm myself see http://www.magicsurfbus.com/surfmovies3.htm Ericd
I'm not completely sure how the mechanical wipers worked. I remembrer driving a 1953 2CV under the rain once in 1980. I know there was only one cable to fore the tachometer and the wipers but how did Citroën manage to make them move (even slowly) when the car was stopped ? Is it possible that they was an inertial system ? I haven't tested if they would stop after a sufficient time. Ericd 22:34, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)
From ownership of 1954 2CV - the wipers had a handle that could be rotated back and forth by hand to wipe windows when stationary.
This is in the article. But I was not sure if the wipers stopped or only slowed when the car was stationary. Well they are connected with the tachometer to the gearbox and they stop. ~~
It would be nice if someone could put in some basic information about model year changes and what the various names mean" "Chalreston" Dolly" etc. I am trying to learn about these cars but cannot find this information. Thanks
In this history part you are saying that 2cv4 was produced with 425cc engine. Thats not true! There was some 435cc engine in 2cv4. This 435cc engine is a black sheep from citroen. The torque is lousy and it takes fuel almoust as much as 602cc engine. 2cv4 was in production in years 1970-1975. Make a note: there was also model called dyane 4. Dyane 4 was fitted also with 435cc engine and producted in the same years as 2cv4. 2cv4 is unfamiliar everywhere exept in Finland. Finland has been some kind of garbage for these 2cv4´s. It´s sad that most of these citroen 2cv internet pages doesent tell anything about 435cc engines... But trust me, i´m building one 1968 dyane with 435cc engine at the moment. (Not original, but my Very Special :) )
From: Young citronist from Finland.
"Citroën never sold this engine in the 2CV, however some enthusiasts have converted their 2CVs to 652 engines,basically a wicked bo car." Is this sort of language allowed on Wiki? I didn't think colloquialisms were banned, or somesuch. Doesn't seem very proper to be honest.
I'm going to edit this out. Any protests?
Edit: Haha, looks like someone beat me to it! The page has been cleaned up since I posted this...
I think that the Yagán belongs more to the Citroën FAF article. Hektor 00:50, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
The 2CV pictured was build after 1958 I'm quite certain of it. Ericd 10:48, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
hey could someone check the picture on the page about the Sten gun. There is a picture about a french partisan with an american officer. We are trying to find what the car is. If anyone with an idea give me your opinion? Any help is thanked! paat 19:29, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
This reply is pretty late in coming, but the curve of the hoodline and the location of the vent flap look like a Simca 8. Ejbrush ( talk) 14:17, 24 March 2019 (UTC) [1]
The advertising deserves a mention.
I remember a great advertisement for the 2CV (in the British magazine Car, in the late 1980s), with a specification sheet and a "No" against every feature - reconstruction here. (More 2CV ads at [here http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/3788/ads/adverts.htm 2CV Advertisements]
See also A comparison between the Citroën 2cv and its closest rival (the camel). (This page also has a tiny image of the ad mentioned above, and more Citroen ads can be seen by starting here and clicking Next at the bottom of each page.)
Hope that helps. I would love the edit the page myself, but my friend is threatening to book me in to the Betty Ford clinic's Wikiholics ward... -- Singkong2005 13:37, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
I've removed this edit:
I can't see very much in common between these cars and the 2CV. It would be interesting to make comparisons, though I think what it would actually do is highlight the fact that more recent car production has simply not aimed for quite the same goals, and certainly hasn't achieved them with anything like the same success or creativity. Look at fuel consumption - if I have my facts straight, only very expensive cars such as the Toyota Prius are better qualified to be called low-energy vehicles.
Anyway, excuse my rant. Perhaps there is something worth writing though, about comparisons with other cars (but of course more factual and NPOV than my rant). -- Singkong2005 ( t - c - WPID) 14:34, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
It's certainly open to debate what a "modern" 2CV would look like. Most industrialised nations have safety regulations that effectively bar a four passenger 1,500 lb car with wafer thin body panels. Would you get many customers with 2 cylinder power and acceleration these days? Yet it's not impossible to highlight certain core elements of the design - like:
Honda, Chrysler, and Toyota have each tried to incorporate some of these elements in modern, saleable cars. The missing link between the 2CV and the Chrysler PT Cruiser BTW has a name - it's the Chrysler CCV. 66.229.151.43 07:18, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Seems to me the main point here is not a generic "comparisons with other cars" but the fact that while the 2CV (and R4) were not replaced by their makers, consumers in the real world actually have a demonstrated interest in a car like the 2CV. 66.77.124.62 21:48, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Re: a Modern 2CV - was interested just today to come across this reference to a concept car that borrows (to an extent) from the design - although I'll bet they tone it down by the time/ if it comes to market (this article is 18 months old) - http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/58059/legend_returns_as_2cv_is_reborn.html -- Ndaisley 21:15, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
"In the former Yugoslavia the car was called "Spaček" (pronounced "spa-check," meaning--affectionately--"oddity" or "abberation.")."
I'd like to add that in some parts of Bosnia and Croatia, I'm not sure to what extent, 2CV was also called "žaba" or "žabac" (pronaunced as zhaba or zhabac)in literal translation - a female or a male frog, or affectionaelly 'a froggy car'.
Also, in the summer of '82-83, if i remember correctly, i was 17 -18 y.old, a friend of mine and I have instaled a one cylinder diesel engine from a small tractor "Tomo Vinković" made in Bjelovar, Croatia, in order to save big $$ on fuel. This tractor manufacturer had some conections with Italian "Lombardini" company.
However we ended up returning the old engine back due to the maximum speed being about as fast as a faster walking pace and 'cling-clang' very noisy sound of one cylinder diesel loud engine turning heads of people along the streets of Tuzla in Bosnia. The plan was to get to Adriatic Sea and back on about 20 liters of diesel fuel - due to the shortage funds in our teenage years.
61.68.231.134 06:06, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
I don't think so, unless you are being incredibly liberal with the truth.
The 2CV has as much in common with the Mehari, Dyane and Ami variants as the VW Beetle with the Type 2 Van/Bus, as the Renault 4 does with the Renault 5,6,7, and the the mark one Ford Fiesta does with every Fiesta from 1976 to 2001.
The 2CV sold 3.8 million units, to add all of the other models is to tell a lie
I am aware that the AK van shares the front panel of the 2CV body, but I was not disputing the addition of that car. By the way, the VW Type 2's lenghthened floorpan hardly differentiates it more than the Citroen Ami from the 2CV - all mercedes models come in different wheelbase lengths, that does not make them different models.
For the A-Series models, here's the total I get: 2CV sedan 3,872K 2CV camionette 1,246K Dyane 1,400K Acadiane 253K Ami 1,840K Mehari 144K FAF TBD TOTAL A-SERIES 8,755K 76.171.244.226 ( talk) 17:36, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
"The 2CV was produced for 42 years, the model finally succumbing to customer demands for speed and safety, areas in which this ancient design had fallen significantly behind modern cars"
This implies that the 2CV was seriously considered alongside modern cars. I seriously doubt this, and think it is fanciful thinking by 2CV devotees. It is more likely that the 2CV bought for the fact that it was different, old and weird looking. It was definitely a niche car. 213.202.166.118 (21:45) 13 September 2006
The highest year of production was 1974 - there just aren't that enough whimscal niche buyers to make that possible. The 2CV occupied a special class of sub VW Beetle low price auto, and within that sector it's performance was competitive with similar priced vehicles, like Moskvitch, Skoda, and low spec Mini's. With the end of the bitter economic recession in Europe and economic progress in the late 1980's, this class of vehicle disappeared. Towards the mid-1980's, the 2CV did indeed develop more expensive variants to attract nostalgia buyers. 76.168.255.29 06:49, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
I encountered a fully galvanized steel 2CV while stationed in Germany during the early 1980's. I think I was traveling in France at the time, and did not have a camera to record the event. But I remember it vividly!
The perfect agricultural vehicle, I recall thinking at the time. Any information on this particular "option"?
ejdavid@operamail.com
Not sold by Citoën IMO. Ericd 20:08, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
I removed this text - which contains no informational value about the car, only about the bizarre predjudices of an unrelated individual. "Jeremy Clarkson the british motoring journalist claims the 2CV is "one of the worst cars ever made" In the DVD "Heaven and Hell" he is quoted as saying - "..for a time this car was indeed bourght by French farmers, but then it became to company car of choice for the anti-nuclear veg-head mob who got it into their heads that it was kind to the enviroment - they couldn't have been more wrong!" Other quotes include: "it was incapable of going around any corner without falling to pieces," said as the driver's side door opened. "What did anyone see in it" "I've turned it off, and it's still killing the planet" said as the key was removed from the starter and the engine continued to tick over. "the engines going to be on forever," which, in fact, could be stopped by stalling it. The report on this car ended when a gravel skip with "CND" spray-painted on it was dropped on the car from 100 feet, flattening it." 76.168.253.242 08:56, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
"The car would use no more than 3 litres of gasoline to travel 100 km"?? Are you sure about that fact? How can you know? Tomer T 20:03, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
What exactly is the connection between this project and the Citroen 2CV car? Tomer T 20:12, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
This article was tagged with the Clean-Up Spam Tag. As part of WP:WPSPAM I have cleaned up the external links section. My decisions were based on the guidelines found on WP:WPSPAM and WP:EL.
Why did you removed Jeroen Cats page? It has been the 2cv reference pages for a lot of people since the early 90s!!!!!!! 85.136.34.153 08:00, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
The Jeroen Cats site seems to have been discontinued. I tried to link to an archived version of the pages - archive.is/www.cats-citroen.net - but it is blacklisted. Can anyone sort this out? 87.113.207.205 ( talk) 00:20, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
In Spanish-speaking countries they were nicknamed "patito feo" ("Ugly
duckling"), "citrola" or "citroneta" (derived from "Citroën").
I've never heard those nicknames, citrola and citroneta seem italian instead
, the only nickname known in spain is "dos caballos" the spanish
for two horses refering to CV that is the spanish for HP.
IRU 14:56, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Edit by Alan Guilenea: In Argentina we call this car "La Rana" (The Frog) or "Citroneta" for the version wihouth back seats. In chile they call the car: "Citrola".
"Cuatro Latas" is the nickname in Spain for the Renault 4, not the 2cv. 85.136.34.153 08:00, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
In the mid-1960's my cousin in Hawaii had a 2CV that was inoperative. In a two-day attempt to start it, I found that it had both a conventional foot-actuated clutch AND a centrifugal clutch (IIRC). The latter precluded push-starting, and the effort at resurrection was soon abandoned. LorenzoB 01:12, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
I've just read that the car was based upon an original design by Le Corbusier; "Le Corbusier se lance lui-meme dans l'étude d'une voiture populaire. Andre Citroen copiera ce prototype pour donner naissance a la celebre 2CV". (de l'aventure Automobile; Serge Bellu). In other words, Le Corbusier had a try and Citroen based the 2CV on his design. Assuming this is true, should it not be in the article? (I'd put it in myself but I don't know much about the car and so I think other editors would be better placed to put this in). Marcus22 18:35, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
Article doesn't seem to mention when the switch from suicide doors to regular doors was made. I believe it was the 1965 model year, but the 2CV featured in a 1968 episode of Get Smart had suicide doors. 76.168.255.29 08:27, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
I have the evidence of an anecdote from an ex-Royal Navy engineer, that a small number of Citroen 2CVs were taken to the Falklands in 1982 with a view to using them as transport. The theory was apparently, that they would be able to go places that Land Rovers could not, across the scrubby peat bogs on the islands, because they were so light.
The guy concerned was not able to tell me whether the cars were actually put to use, nor do I have any other witnesses to this. Can anyone confirm or deny this tale? -- Ndaisley ( talk) 18:55, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
I think there were some Argentine Spec A series (Acadiane variant maybe rings a bell) brought over by the Argentinians during the conflict, as they were already used as military vehicles in the Argentinian Army at the time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.54.144.229 ( talk) 16:15, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
Re: Royal Navy use of 2cv. In the 90s there was an article in the 2CVGB club magazine about the use of 2CV pickups in the 1950s aboard an RN helicopter carrier. The helicopters had limited payload and the only vehicle they could use minus detachable panels for lifting was the 2CV pickup. I remember they said that they were used in Malaya, by the Royal Marine Commandos. They were scrapped by being dumped in the Indian Ocean, after the helicopters were upgraded and lightweight land-rovers were developed.
Also, shouldn't the van section be expanded? Was the 2cv van the first car based van with the large box body on the back? Or was it the Morris Minor or something else? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.119.112.144 ( talk) 12:36, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
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Can anyone verify that at least one of the early prototypes was built with magnesium swing arms, and was destroyed in a fire?
Nick 3216 ( talk) 19:13, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
As the template:refimprove has been on the article page for over a year, I think it's time someone removed all information presented without a reference. It's really stupid but must be done to comply with Verifiability policy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.181.53.181 ( talk) 09:38, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
Screw the policy. If it is followed there would be hardly anything left of the article. If that policy is implemented then bogus book references could appear by people wanting to stop that happening. How would all those get checked? When the article is mature and stops expanding the references will be done. Why don't you go and do something useful - like go and find some references instead. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.119.112.102 ( talk) 02:56, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
Is it really relevant to speak ill of the suspension of American cars when discussing the 2CV suspension? User: Trifoot —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.13.129.188 ( talk) 04:41, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Very few cars roll as much as a 2CV. It is usually a sign of the ride/handling compromise being very strongly in favour of ride. This was usual in the US, along with the continued use of a live rear beam axle and leaf/cart spring suspension. This affects roadholding over twisting roads that are more prevalent in Europe. This is why generally, Europeans prefer the compromise biased to handling. The 2CV suspension and French suspension generally, does a good job of delivering both. That is what is unusual and noteworthy. 85.119.112.163 ( talk) 12:52, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Wasn't the 2CV also in the 1998 film Madeline? I remember seeing the car in a number of scenes. For example, when Miss Clavel drives after the circus truck to save Pepito and Madeline, you can clearly see the model. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.239.137.134 ( talk) 05:27, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
Does this page need so much pictures that it has now? -- Typ932 T· C 17:36, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
I removed this from the article: the list is in French and is unverified. Without third-party verification to establish truth and notability, this is pure listcruft. Drmies ( talk) 21:30, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
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Are we to understand that the wasted spark system was invented by Citroen and first used on the 2CV? It sounds eminently possible, but it would be nice to have a reference before we add it to the article. MalcolmMcDonald ( talk) 16:16, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
I will change the distances to km (with mi between brackets) and the speeds to km/h. This is the international system and also the system used in France. Nico ( talk) 11:59, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
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Do these two statements conflict?
Production was increased from four units per day in 1949 to 400 units per day in 1950.
In 1951 production reached over 100 cars a week.[6] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.151.13.8 ( talk) 13:14, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
At 8,000 words, and with 83 photos, this article is overlong, overly detailed and excessively illustrated (the entry on the VW Beetle, the most popular car ever built, contains 26 photos). Apparently, those who assembled it suffer from an intense fascination with the Deux Chevaux, which certainly will not be shared by the average encyclopedia user. An interesting and charming microcar, but not worth nearly so much froth. The French Wiki article, for comparison, comprises about 4,500 words.
Sca ( talk) 14:18, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
So, you are complaining that an encyclopedia entry is overly encyclopedic? If users do not wish to read all the detail then they don't have to, they can choose what to read or not to read. They could just read the introduction for example. If they were really averse to detail they could go and read the Simple English 2CV article. If the detail were to be deleted then those who are interested won't have access to it. Perhaps the articles that you compare to are less encyclopedic than this one, and you should go and make them more encyclopedic?
Merriam-Webster Definition of ENCYCLOPEDIC (adjective)
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87.114.100.86 ( talk) 15:47, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
Isn't anybody going to mention Emile Leray and his ad hoc motorcycle built from a 2CV? Heyzeuss ( talk) 18:18, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
I have removed the following list of links from the article. They simply do not follow the prescriptions at Wikipedia:External links. This is an encyclopaedia, not a directory listing. Please reinsert only those that align with the guidance. — billinghurst sDrewth 02:07, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
*[http://www.2cvclub.gr/ The Greek 2CV Club] *[http://www.2cvforum.gr/ Pour Bavarder de notre 2CV...L' amour toujours] *[http://www.my2cv.gr/ The ultimate 2CV and other historic Citroen corner] *[http://www.2cvgb.org.uk Deux Chevaux Club of Great Britain (2CVGB)] *[http://www.2cv.de 2CV Restoring Germany] *[http://www.2cvracing.co.uk The Classic 2CV Racing Club] *[http://www.2CVTV.com 2CVTV 2CV news and lifestyle website] *[http://www.2cv-legende.com 2cv-legende], major French website *[http://2cvdirectory.com 2CV directory], portal to everything 2CV: websites, articles, stories, contacts and more *[http://www.cats-citroen.net/home.html Cats Citroen Net 2CV], history, Buyer's/Owners's Guides, Restoration, Modifying, Codes/Serial Numbers, Reference, Photos *[http://www.greaternycitroenvelosolexclub.com Greater New York Citroen Velosolex Touring Club] *[http://www.citroenet.org.uk/passenger-cars/michelin/2cv/2cv-index.html Citroën A Series Index Page] Citroënet 2CV enthusiasts site. *[http://www.garage2cv.de garage2cv], Citroën A Series Webzine (Germany) *[http://www.lottiethe2cv.co.uk Lottie the 2CV] *[http://www.musee-2cv.com Musee-2CV], the only museum dedicated to the 2CV (France) *[http://www.studioru.co.uk Studioru], 2CV travel, stories and video *[http://www.en-2cv.host.seree.fr Fix your 2cv], fix your 2cv
Anyone got any info, or can confirm/refute the idea that there was only one body colour - i.e with production of the 2CV6 - used each year? 92.41.113.223 ( talk) 20:15, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
On my computer, the main photo looks dark and shadowy. This cannot be the best photo anyone in the whole wikiworld has of a 2CV. PLawrence99cx ( talk) 07:00, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
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To be a proper article, this would need a trim. We need fewer fan-sourced factoids, fewer photos, and less fancruft in general. At the moment it violates several of our policies. Are any regular editors willing to take this on? -- John ( talk) 18:36, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
What you are doing is massive vandalism. I will revert it. If you bothered to check you will see that not everything you did was reverted. Although I never bothered to register, I actually wrote most of this article over the years along with several other articles. The fan stuff like nicknames etc has accumulated and been removed several times over the years and placed here to see what others thought about it. I refer you to the dictionary definitions of 'encyclopaedic' on this talk page - 'trimming' is not what you are doing. If you can't make positive contributions I respectfully suggest that you bugger off. 91.125.58.115 ( talk) 20:17, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
The most famous design brief requirement was that the envisaged smallholder-customer be able to drive eggs across a freshly ploughed field without breaking them.
I've had a look through this revert and I've got the following comments:
Well, I think that Charles01 has a point when saying it's better move on and start to improve the article right away.
I haven't a lot of knowledge on Citroen history as CharlesO1 and Mr.choppers, and to be honest I don't like that much oldies (except heavy vehicles), so I think my position is different to them, and things I can find dubious would probably do the same on the average reader.
I added citation needed tags at the article, and I'll explain why. Also, I made some changes which I consider uncontroversial. I let outside technical aspects that the editors more competent on oldies should be able to source in miliseconds, so I don't think they are priority:
Well, I have more suggestions that I will post tomorrow, but for now I think this a good start. Now other editors can add sources to those claims, or explain why they think such claims don't need any source. Happy editing! -- Urbanoc ( talk) 14:20, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
Re https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Citro%C3%ABn_2CV&curid=85081&diff=736484854&oldid=736433056 (and others)
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What do we think of citroenet as a source? Also the Haynes manual refs need page numbers. Anyone able to help? -- John ( talk) 06:42, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
Two sections of this are flagged as being too long and detailed, the engine and the suspension. While we are at it, which of the data tables should we keep? Not all of them I think. -- John ( talk) 06:35, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
I noticed an apparent contradiction between "The purchase price of the 2CV was always very low", "The 2CV sold poorly in Great Britain in part due to its excessive cost because of import duties on components" and "Only a few thousand 2CVs were sold in North America when they were new; as in Britain their pricing was excessive relative to competitors". Any thoughts? -- John ( talk) 20:07, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
I propose that Baby-Brousse be merged into Citroën FAF, because these vehicles overlap and are conceptually similar. The text itself overlaps. PLawrence99cx ( talk) 20:02, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
(I am not sure where new items would go, but the talk appears to sort of be in descending order, so I'm putting this here, move wherever you think is necessary)
I was just reading the article and noticed that in the Argentina section there is a reference that the 2CV stopped being produced "when the revolution came".
This is demonstrably false. In 1979 the military government was in full swing and there was no revolution in Argentina (there WAS unrest, as the dirty war was at its highest, though).
The closest to "the revolution" would either be the coup in 1976 or the return to democracy in 1983.
The reference associated with that paragraph says that Citroen Argentina SA ceased operations on december 31 1979 because of "the economic situation of the country, having shifted from a manufacturing economy to a speculative one". It also states that the opening of imports and the necessity to make large investments to operating costs were a factor. Lack of economic support is also mentioned, the supporting party is not mentioned in the source, but since the article mentions state subsidies, I would assume that it was state support.
The source states that given that shift in the economy (removing some "equilibrium subsidies"), the firm needed to make large reinvestments that could not be done and went on with a plan to cease operations that had been started in 1978.
190.17.35.61 ( talk) 00:37, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
The suggestion that "CV" refers to "chevaux-vapeur" was introduced by this IP edit in 2008, but the edit is unsourced. French wikipedia is at pains to distinguish between the cheval-vapeur (ch) and the cheval fiscal (CV) but doesn't explain why the abbreviation CV is used to designate the latter. The first sentence of this article, as it stands [ The Citroën 2CV (French: deux chevaux(-vapeur), pronounced [dø ʃ(ə)vo (vapœʁ)], lit. "two steam horse(power)s", meaning "two taxable horsepower") ... ] is confusing for several reasons. "2CV" is pronounced "deux chevaux" in French, not "deux chevaux-(vapeur)", and CV refers not to chevaux-vapeur but to chevaux fiscaux. Bracketing "(-vapeur)" in the French, then "(power)" in its English translation suggests that one is translated by the other, when clearly this isn't the case.
How can we fix this mess? I suggest removing the references to "vapeur" and "steam". The French name "deux chevaux" is best translated literally as "two horses", without reference to steam or power. The link to " Tax_horsepower#France" can take care of the rest. Any thoughts? Jean-de-Nivelle ( talk) 11:31, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
I've boldly gone and done it. Happy to discuss. Jean-de-Nivelle ( talk) 13:44, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
@Dreamcarfan had added a section called "Hidden concept version" but it has a number of problems.
Firstly, the reference is vey, very weak. It consists of a single image with no explanatory text. The image has the number plate "2 CV 2000" and has lines on the bonnet generally reminiscent of the 2CV but is otherwise quite different to the CV. It is unknown if it was developed by Citroen as a prototype or concept car, by a tuner company (eg, like Zagato often did for other companies) or just a enthusiast doing custom work to his own car in homage to the 2 CV. Also, allcarsindex.com just scrapes its images and text (if any) from other sites, including both my own website and Wikipedia. It does no independent fact checking.
Secondly, how can it be "hidden" if it is on display. If it really is a concept car by Citroen then it is normal for a concept car to be developed quietly and then shown with great fanfare.
This needs far better references and background checking. If anything is unclear then it cannot be put on Wikipedia as a fact. Stepho talk 10:10, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
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I thought that the Citroen 2 CV was designed by Ferdinand Porsche when he was captured by the French during World War II. And it was called "Porsche's Revenge". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Furjaw ( talk • contribs) 19:25, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
Highly unlikely any French engineer at the time would be capable of designing an automobile. Porsche was already being held against his will so it would be unlikely he would get any design credit as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.42.196.20 ( talk) 05:23, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
I remember in the 60s and 70s they were referred to as "Porsche's Revenge" in Europe so I'm willing to bet there's some truth behind that. -- Jens Zastrow 12.185.193.35 ( talk) 01:17, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
I seem to recall my parents, who spent quite a bit of time in France in the '60s, often referred to this car as the "cigarette roller" because of its appearance. Can someone confirm that this was a common nickname for the vehicle? 71.199.122.99 ( talk) 00:32, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
My German uncles called it that in the ‘50’s. I used it just giggle.
When I was a young child in the early 60s, we lived in France as my father was assigned there with the U.S. Army. I remember all of the Americans there referred to the Citroen 2cv as a "Cigarette Roller"...I never heard a definitive reason why, but was told it was because of the rounded shape of the car. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RichP8 ( talk • contribs) 19:15, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
The CV seems to be a unit used to place french cars in different tax classes based on how the engine power relates to the polluting level. Puissance fiscale is the french name for this unit, and there is a description of the formula on this page http://www.lewebdesconducteurs.com/guide/technique/unites.htm
This knowledge comes from a webpage run by a norwegian enthusiast http://home.no.net/kjellts/2cvev/a/hvorfor-cv.shtml
Christian Dyrop
CV = Cheval Vapeur (Steam Horse) the expression was already old fashioned in the 40's everybody said Cheval or Cheval Fiscal. Ericd 07:57, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I removed : "The car had no door locks, no indicators (half-windows allowing hand signals), no electric starter, almost no instrumentation, one rear light, one stop lamp, and no heating. " That was true for the prototype not for the production car.
By the wording structure(since corrected by me) combined with the tecnical layout, it appears there is a possibility that this article is no more than a quick, careless, cut and paste job. I believe therefore, the question of copright has to be a real concern. Perhaps it should be looked at further. Olga Bityerkokoff
Could we get an explanation for the curious phrase "suicide doors"? -- Infrogmation 01:13 Apr 16, 2003 (UTC)
I wonder if the reference to the Stout Scarab should be kept. 9 Scarab only were produced. Does it qualify the Scarab as a production car ? Ericd 15:41 Apr 16, 2003 (UTC)
I remember of a 2CV destroyed by helicopters in "Apocalypse Now" who can confirm ? Ericd 16:07 Apr 16, 2003 (UTC)
I can confirm myself see http://www.magicsurfbus.com/surfmovies3.htm Ericd
I'm not completely sure how the mechanical wipers worked. I remembrer driving a 1953 2CV under the rain once in 1980. I know there was only one cable to fore the tachometer and the wipers but how did Citroën manage to make them move (even slowly) when the car was stopped ? Is it possible that they was an inertial system ? I haven't tested if they would stop after a sufficient time. Ericd 22:34, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)
From ownership of 1954 2CV - the wipers had a handle that could be rotated back and forth by hand to wipe windows when stationary.
This is in the article. But I was not sure if the wipers stopped or only slowed when the car was stationary. Well they are connected with the tachometer to the gearbox and they stop. ~~
It would be nice if someone could put in some basic information about model year changes and what the various names mean" "Chalreston" Dolly" etc. I am trying to learn about these cars but cannot find this information. Thanks
In this history part you are saying that 2cv4 was produced with 425cc engine. Thats not true! There was some 435cc engine in 2cv4. This 435cc engine is a black sheep from citroen. The torque is lousy and it takes fuel almoust as much as 602cc engine. 2cv4 was in production in years 1970-1975. Make a note: there was also model called dyane 4. Dyane 4 was fitted also with 435cc engine and producted in the same years as 2cv4. 2cv4 is unfamiliar everywhere exept in Finland. Finland has been some kind of garbage for these 2cv4´s. It´s sad that most of these citroen 2cv internet pages doesent tell anything about 435cc engines... But trust me, i´m building one 1968 dyane with 435cc engine at the moment. (Not original, but my Very Special :) )
From: Young citronist from Finland.
"Citroën never sold this engine in the 2CV, however some enthusiasts have converted their 2CVs to 652 engines,basically a wicked bo car." Is this sort of language allowed on Wiki? I didn't think colloquialisms were banned, or somesuch. Doesn't seem very proper to be honest.
I'm going to edit this out. Any protests?
Edit: Haha, looks like someone beat me to it! The page has been cleaned up since I posted this...
I think that the Yagán belongs more to the Citroën FAF article. Hektor 00:50, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
The 2CV pictured was build after 1958 I'm quite certain of it. Ericd 10:48, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
hey could someone check the picture on the page about the Sten gun. There is a picture about a french partisan with an american officer. We are trying to find what the car is. If anyone with an idea give me your opinion? Any help is thanked! paat 19:29, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
This reply is pretty late in coming, but the curve of the hoodline and the location of the vent flap look like a Simca 8. Ejbrush ( talk) 14:17, 24 March 2019 (UTC) [1]
The advertising deserves a mention.
I remember a great advertisement for the 2CV (in the British magazine Car, in the late 1980s), with a specification sheet and a "No" against every feature - reconstruction here. (More 2CV ads at [here http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/3788/ads/adverts.htm 2CV Advertisements]
See also A comparison between the Citroën 2cv and its closest rival (the camel). (This page also has a tiny image of the ad mentioned above, and more Citroen ads can be seen by starting here and clicking Next at the bottom of each page.)
Hope that helps. I would love the edit the page myself, but my friend is threatening to book me in to the Betty Ford clinic's Wikiholics ward... -- Singkong2005 13:37, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
I've removed this edit:
I can't see very much in common between these cars and the 2CV. It would be interesting to make comparisons, though I think what it would actually do is highlight the fact that more recent car production has simply not aimed for quite the same goals, and certainly hasn't achieved them with anything like the same success or creativity. Look at fuel consumption - if I have my facts straight, only very expensive cars such as the Toyota Prius are better qualified to be called low-energy vehicles.
Anyway, excuse my rant. Perhaps there is something worth writing though, about comparisons with other cars (but of course more factual and NPOV than my rant). -- Singkong2005 ( t - c - WPID) 14:34, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
It's certainly open to debate what a "modern" 2CV would look like. Most industrialised nations have safety regulations that effectively bar a four passenger 1,500 lb car with wafer thin body panels. Would you get many customers with 2 cylinder power and acceleration these days? Yet it's not impossible to highlight certain core elements of the design - like:
Honda, Chrysler, and Toyota have each tried to incorporate some of these elements in modern, saleable cars. The missing link between the 2CV and the Chrysler PT Cruiser BTW has a name - it's the Chrysler CCV. 66.229.151.43 07:18, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Seems to me the main point here is not a generic "comparisons with other cars" but the fact that while the 2CV (and R4) were not replaced by their makers, consumers in the real world actually have a demonstrated interest in a car like the 2CV. 66.77.124.62 21:48, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Re: a Modern 2CV - was interested just today to come across this reference to a concept car that borrows (to an extent) from the design - although I'll bet they tone it down by the time/ if it comes to market (this article is 18 months old) - http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/58059/legend_returns_as_2cv_is_reborn.html -- Ndaisley 21:15, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
"In the former Yugoslavia the car was called "Spaček" (pronounced "spa-check," meaning--affectionately--"oddity" or "abberation.")."
I'd like to add that in some parts of Bosnia and Croatia, I'm not sure to what extent, 2CV was also called "žaba" or "žabac" (pronaunced as zhaba or zhabac)in literal translation - a female or a male frog, or affectionaelly 'a froggy car'.
Also, in the summer of '82-83, if i remember correctly, i was 17 -18 y.old, a friend of mine and I have instaled a one cylinder diesel engine from a small tractor "Tomo Vinković" made in Bjelovar, Croatia, in order to save big $$ on fuel. This tractor manufacturer had some conections with Italian "Lombardini" company.
However we ended up returning the old engine back due to the maximum speed being about as fast as a faster walking pace and 'cling-clang' very noisy sound of one cylinder diesel loud engine turning heads of people along the streets of Tuzla in Bosnia. The plan was to get to Adriatic Sea and back on about 20 liters of diesel fuel - due to the shortage funds in our teenage years.
61.68.231.134 06:06, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
I don't think so, unless you are being incredibly liberal with the truth.
The 2CV has as much in common with the Mehari, Dyane and Ami variants as the VW Beetle with the Type 2 Van/Bus, as the Renault 4 does with the Renault 5,6,7, and the the mark one Ford Fiesta does with every Fiesta from 1976 to 2001.
The 2CV sold 3.8 million units, to add all of the other models is to tell a lie
I am aware that the AK van shares the front panel of the 2CV body, but I was not disputing the addition of that car. By the way, the VW Type 2's lenghthened floorpan hardly differentiates it more than the Citroen Ami from the 2CV - all mercedes models come in different wheelbase lengths, that does not make them different models.
For the A-Series models, here's the total I get: 2CV sedan 3,872K 2CV camionette 1,246K Dyane 1,400K Acadiane 253K Ami 1,840K Mehari 144K FAF TBD TOTAL A-SERIES 8,755K 76.171.244.226 ( talk) 17:36, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
"The 2CV was produced for 42 years, the model finally succumbing to customer demands for speed and safety, areas in which this ancient design had fallen significantly behind modern cars"
This implies that the 2CV was seriously considered alongside modern cars. I seriously doubt this, and think it is fanciful thinking by 2CV devotees. It is more likely that the 2CV bought for the fact that it was different, old and weird looking. It was definitely a niche car. 213.202.166.118 (21:45) 13 September 2006
The highest year of production was 1974 - there just aren't that enough whimscal niche buyers to make that possible. The 2CV occupied a special class of sub VW Beetle low price auto, and within that sector it's performance was competitive with similar priced vehicles, like Moskvitch, Skoda, and low spec Mini's. With the end of the bitter economic recession in Europe and economic progress in the late 1980's, this class of vehicle disappeared. Towards the mid-1980's, the 2CV did indeed develop more expensive variants to attract nostalgia buyers. 76.168.255.29 06:49, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
I encountered a fully galvanized steel 2CV while stationed in Germany during the early 1980's. I think I was traveling in France at the time, and did not have a camera to record the event. But I remember it vividly!
The perfect agricultural vehicle, I recall thinking at the time. Any information on this particular "option"?
ejdavid@operamail.com
Not sold by Citoën IMO. Ericd 20:08, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
I removed this text - which contains no informational value about the car, only about the bizarre predjudices of an unrelated individual. "Jeremy Clarkson the british motoring journalist claims the 2CV is "one of the worst cars ever made" In the DVD "Heaven and Hell" he is quoted as saying - "..for a time this car was indeed bourght by French farmers, but then it became to company car of choice for the anti-nuclear veg-head mob who got it into their heads that it was kind to the enviroment - they couldn't have been more wrong!" Other quotes include: "it was incapable of going around any corner without falling to pieces," said as the driver's side door opened. "What did anyone see in it" "I've turned it off, and it's still killing the planet" said as the key was removed from the starter and the engine continued to tick over. "the engines going to be on forever," which, in fact, could be stopped by stalling it. The report on this car ended when a gravel skip with "CND" spray-painted on it was dropped on the car from 100 feet, flattening it." 76.168.253.242 08:56, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
"The car would use no more than 3 litres of gasoline to travel 100 km"?? Are you sure about that fact? How can you know? Tomer T 20:03, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
What exactly is the connection between this project and the Citroen 2CV car? Tomer T 20:12, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
This article was tagged with the Clean-Up Spam Tag. As part of WP:WPSPAM I have cleaned up the external links section. My decisions were based on the guidelines found on WP:WPSPAM and WP:EL.
Why did you removed Jeroen Cats page? It has been the 2cv reference pages for a lot of people since the early 90s!!!!!!! 85.136.34.153 08:00, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
The Jeroen Cats site seems to have been discontinued. I tried to link to an archived version of the pages - archive.is/www.cats-citroen.net - but it is blacklisted. Can anyone sort this out? 87.113.207.205 ( talk) 00:20, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
In Spanish-speaking countries they were nicknamed "patito feo" ("Ugly
duckling"), "citrola" or "citroneta" (derived from "Citroën").
I've never heard those nicknames, citrola and citroneta seem italian instead
, the only nickname known in spain is "dos caballos" the spanish
for two horses refering to CV that is the spanish for HP.
IRU 14:56, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Edit by Alan Guilenea: In Argentina we call this car "La Rana" (The Frog) or "Citroneta" for the version wihouth back seats. In chile they call the car: "Citrola".
"Cuatro Latas" is the nickname in Spain for the Renault 4, not the 2cv. 85.136.34.153 08:00, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
In the mid-1960's my cousin in Hawaii had a 2CV that was inoperative. In a two-day attempt to start it, I found that it had both a conventional foot-actuated clutch AND a centrifugal clutch (IIRC). The latter precluded push-starting, and the effort at resurrection was soon abandoned. LorenzoB 01:12, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
I've just read that the car was based upon an original design by Le Corbusier; "Le Corbusier se lance lui-meme dans l'étude d'une voiture populaire. Andre Citroen copiera ce prototype pour donner naissance a la celebre 2CV". (de l'aventure Automobile; Serge Bellu). In other words, Le Corbusier had a try and Citroen based the 2CV on his design. Assuming this is true, should it not be in the article? (I'd put it in myself but I don't know much about the car and so I think other editors would be better placed to put this in). Marcus22 18:35, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
Article doesn't seem to mention when the switch from suicide doors to regular doors was made. I believe it was the 1965 model year, but the 2CV featured in a 1968 episode of Get Smart had suicide doors. 76.168.255.29 08:27, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
I have the evidence of an anecdote from an ex-Royal Navy engineer, that a small number of Citroen 2CVs were taken to the Falklands in 1982 with a view to using them as transport. The theory was apparently, that they would be able to go places that Land Rovers could not, across the scrubby peat bogs on the islands, because they were so light.
The guy concerned was not able to tell me whether the cars were actually put to use, nor do I have any other witnesses to this. Can anyone confirm or deny this tale? -- Ndaisley ( talk) 18:55, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
I think there were some Argentine Spec A series (Acadiane variant maybe rings a bell) brought over by the Argentinians during the conflict, as they were already used as military vehicles in the Argentinian Army at the time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.54.144.229 ( talk) 16:15, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
Re: Royal Navy use of 2cv. In the 90s there was an article in the 2CVGB club magazine about the use of 2CV pickups in the 1950s aboard an RN helicopter carrier. The helicopters had limited payload and the only vehicle they could use minus detachable panels for lifting was the 2CV pickup. I remember they said that they were used in Malaya, by the Royal Marine Commandos. They were scrapped by being dumped in the Indian Ocean, after the helicopters were upgraded and lightweight land-rovers were developed.
Also, shouldn't the van section be expanded? Was the 2cv van the first car based van with the large box body on the back? Or was it the Morris Minor or something else? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.119.112.144 ( talk) 12:36, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
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Can anyone verify that at least one of the early prototypes was built with magnesium swing arms, and was destroyed in a fire?
Nick 3216 ( talk) 19:13, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
As the template:refimprove has been on the article page for over a year, I think it's time someone removed all information presented without a reference. It's really stupid but must be done to comply with Verifiability policy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.181.53.181 ( talk) 09:38, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
Screw the policy. If it is followed there would be hardly anything left of the article. If that policy is implemented then bogus book references could appear by people wanting to stop that happening. How would all those get checked? When the article is mature and stops expanding the references will be done. Why don't you go and do something useful - like go and find some references instead. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.119.112.102 ( talk) 02:56, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
Is it really relevant to speak ill of the suspension of American cars when discussing the 2CV suspension? User: Trifoot —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.13.129.188 ( talk) 04:41, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Very few cars roll as much as a 2CV. It is usually a sign of the ride/handling compromise being very strongly in favour of ride. This was usual in the US, along with the continued use of a live rear beam axle and leaf/cart spring suspension. This affects roadholding over twisting roads that are more prevalent in Europe. This is why generally, Europeans prefer the compromise biased to handling. The 2CV suspension and French suspension generally, does a good job of delivering both. That is what is unusual and noteworthy. 85.119.112.163 ( talk) 12:52, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Wasn't the 2CV also in the 1998 film Madeline? I remember seeing the car in a number of scenes. For example, when Miss Clavel drives after the circus truck to save Pepito and Madeline, you can clearly see the model. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.239.137.134 ( talk) 05:27, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
Does this page need so much pictures that it has now? -- Typ932 T· C 17:36, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
I removed this from the article: the list is in French and is unverified. Without third-party verification to establish truth and notability, this is pure listcruft. Drmies ( talk) 21:30, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
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Are we to understand that the wasted spark system was invented by Citroen and first used on the 2CV? It sounds eminently possible, but it would be nice to have a reference before we add it to the article. MalcolmMcDonald ( talk) 16:16, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
I will change the distances to km (with mi between brackets) and the speeds to km/h. This is the international system and also the system used in France. Nico ( talk) 11:59, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
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Do these two statements conflict?
Production was increased from four units per day in 1949 to 400 units per day in 1950.
In 1951 production reached over 100 cars a week.[6] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.151.13.8 ( talk) 13:14, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
At 8,000 words, and with 83 photos, this article is overlong, overly detailed and excessively illustrated (the entry on the VW Beetle, the most popular car ever built, contains 26 photos). Apparently, those who assembled it suffer from an intense fascination with the Deux Chevaux, which certainly will not be shared by the average encyclopedia user. An interesting and charming microcar, but not worth nearly so much froth. The French Wiki article, for comparison, comprises about 4,500 words.
Sca ( talk) 14:18, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
So, you are complaining that an encyclopedia entry is overly encyclopedic? If users do not wish to read all the detail then they don't have to, they can choose what to read or not to read. They could just read the introduction for example. If they were really averse to detail they could go and read the Simple English 2CV article. If the detail were to be deleted then those who are interested won't have access to it. Perhaps the articles that you compare to are less encyclopedic than this one, and you should go and make them more encyclopedic?
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87.114.100.86 ( talk) 15:47, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
Isn't anybody going to mention Emile Leray and his ad hoc motorcycle built from a 2CV? Heyzeuss ( talk) 18:18, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
I have removed the following list of links from the article. They simply do not follow the prescriptions at Wikipedia:External links. This is an encyclopaedia, not a directory listing. Please reinsert only those that align with the guidance. — billinghurst sDrewth 02:07, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
*[http://www.2cvclub.gr/ The Greek 2CV Club] *[http://www.2cvforum.gr/ Pour Bavarder de notre 2CV...L' amour toujours] *[http://www.my2cv.gr/ The ultimate 2CV and other historic Citroen corner] *[http://www.2cvgb.org.uk Deux Chevaux Club of Great Britain (2CVGB)] *[http://www.2cv.de 2CV Restoring Germany] *[http://www.2cvracing.co.uk The Classic 2CV Racing Club] *[http://www.2CVTV.com 2CVTV 2CV news and lifestyle website] *[http://www.2cv-legende.com 2cv-legende], major French website *[http://2cvdirectory.com 2CV directory], portal to everything 2CV: websites, articles, stories, contacts and more *[http://www.cats-citroen.net/home.html Cats Citroen Net 2CV], history, Buyer's/Owners's Guides, Restoration, Modifying, Codes/Serial Numbers, Reference, Photos *[http://www.greaternycitroenvelosolexclub.com Greater New York Citroen Velosolex Touring Club] *[http://www.citroenet.org.uk/passenger-cars/michelin/2cv/2cv-index.html Citroën A Series Index Page] Citroënet 2CV enthusiasts site. *[http://www.garage2cv.de garage2cv], Citroën A Series Webzine (Germany) *[http://www.lottiethe2cv.co.uk Lottie the 2CV] *[http://www.musee-2cv.com Musee-2CV], the only museum dedicated to the 2CV (France) *[http://www.studioru.co.uk Studioru], 2CV travel, stories and video *[http://www.en-2cv.host.seree.fr Fix your 2cv], fix your 2cv
Anyone got any info, or can confirm/refute the idea that there was only one body colour - i.e with production of the 2CV6 - used each year? 92.41.113.223 ( talk) 20:15, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
On my computer, the main photo looks dark and shadowy. This cannot be the best photo anyone in the whole wikiworld has of a 2CV. PLawrence99cx ( talk) 07:00, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
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To be a proper article, this would need a trim. We need fewer fan-sourced factoids, fewer photos, and less fancruft in general. At the moment it violates several of our policies. Are any regular editors willing to take this on? -- John ( talk) 18:36, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
What you are doing is massive vandalism. I will revert it. If you bothered to check you will see that not everything you did was reverted. Although I never bothered to register, I actually wrote most of this article over the years along with several other articles. The fan stuff like nicknames etc has accumulated and been removed several times over the years and placed here to see what others thought about it. I refer you to the dictionary definitions of 'encyclopaedic' on this talk page - 'trimming' is not what you are doing. If you can't make positive contributions I respectfully suggest that you bugger off. 91.125.58.115 ( talk) 20:17, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
The most famous design brief requirement was that the envisaged smallholder-customer be able to drive eggs across a freshly ploughed field without breaking them.
I've had a look through this revert and I've got the following comments:
Well, I think that Charles01 has a point when saying it's better move on and start to improve the article right away.
I haven't a lot of knowledge on Citroen history as CharlesO1 and Mr.choppers, and to be honest I don't like that much oldies (except heavy vehicles), so I think my position is different to them, and things I can find dubious would probably do the same on the average reader.
I added citation needed tags at the article, and I'll explain why. Also, I made some changes which I consider uncontroversial. I let outside technical aspects that the editors more competent on oldies should be able to source in miliseconds, so I don't think they are priority:
Well, I have more suggestions that I will post tomorrow, but for now I think this a good start. Now other editors can add sources to those claims, or explain why they think such claims don't need any source. Happy editing! -- Urbanoc ( talk) 14:20, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
Re https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Citro%C3%ABn_2CV&curid=85081&diff=736484854&oldid=736433056 (and others)
Why shouldn't {{ anchor}} or even {{ visible anchor}} be used in headings? Links yes, but why not anchors? Anchors (of the whole heading title) are implicit in them anyway. There are plenty of cases where other terms, or sub-phrases of the heading, could be worthwhile. Andy Dingley ( talk) 20:49, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
There are 3 ways to insert an {{
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Using <span>...</span>
instead of anchor makes it neither better nor worse in the above terms but does make the syntax harder to follow. In fact, anchor eventually just becomes a span tag anyway by the time it is read in a browser.
Stepho
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What do we think of citroenet as a source? Also the Haynes manual refs need page numbers. Anyone able to help? -- John ( talk) 06:42, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
Two sections of this are flagged as being too long and detailed, the engine and the suspension. While we are at it, which of the data tables should we keep? Not all of them I think. -- John ( talk) 06:35, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
I noticed an apparent contradiction between "The purchase price of the 2CV was always very low", "The 2CV sold poorly in Great Britain in part due to its excessive cost because of import duties on components" and "Only a few thousand 2CVs were sold in North America when they were new; as in Britain their pricing was excessive relative to competitors". Any thoughts? -- John ( talk) 20:07, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
I propose that Baby-Brousse be merged into Citroën FAF, because these vehicles overlap and are conceptually similar. The text itself overlaps. PLawrence99cx ( talk) 20:02, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
(I am not sure where new items would go, but the talk appears to sort of be in descending order, so I'm putting this here, move wherever you think is necessary)
I was just reading the article and noticed that in the Argentina section there is a reference that the 2CV stopped being produced "when the revolution came".
This is demonstrably false. In 1979 the military government was in full swing and there was no revolution in Argentina (there WAS unrest, as the dirty war was at its highest, though).
The closest to "the revolution" would either be the coup in 1976 or the return to democracy in 1983.
The reference associated with that paragraph says that Citroen Argentina SA ceased operations on december 31 1979 because of "the economic situation of the country, having shifted from a manufacturing economy to a speculative one". It also states that the opening of imports and the necessity to make large investments to operating costs were a factor. Lack of economic support is also mentioned, the supporting party is not mentioned in the source, but since the article mentions state subsidies, I would assume that it was state support.
The source states that given that shift in the economy (removing some "equilibrium subsidies"), the firm needed to make large reinvestments that could not be done and went on with a plan to cease operations that had been started in 1978.
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The suggestion that "CV" refers to "chevaux-vapeur" was introduced by this IP edit in 2008, but the edit is unsourced. French wikipedia is at pains to distinguish between the cheval-vapeur (ch) and the cheval fiscal (CV) but doesn't explain why the abbreviation CV is used to designate the latter. The first sentence of this article, as it stands [ The Citroën 2CV (French: deux chevaux(-vapeur), pronounced [dø ʃ(ə)vo (vapœʁ)], lit. "two steam horse(power)s", meaning "two taxable horsepower") ... ] is confusing for several reasons. "2CV" is pronounced "deux chevaux" in French, not "deux chevaux-(vapeur)", and CV refers not to chevaux-vapeur but to chevaux fiscaux. Bracketing "(-vapeur)" in the French, then "(power)" in its English translation suggests that one is translated by the other, when clearly this isn't the case.
How can we fix this mess? I suggest removing the references to "vapeur" and "steam". The French name "deux chevaux" is best translated literally as "two horses", without reference to steam or power. The link to " Tax_horsepower#France" can take care of the rest. Any thoughts? Jean-de-Nivelle ( talk) 11:31, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
I've boldly gone and done it. Happy to discuss. Jean-de-Nivelle ( talk) 13:44, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
@Dreamcarfan had added a section called "Hidden concept version" but it has a number of problems.
Firstly, the reference is vey, very weak. It consists of a single image with no explanatory text. The image has the number plate "2 CV 2000" and has lines on the bonnet generally reminiscent of the 2CV but is otherwise quite different to the CV. It is unknown if it was developed by Citroen as a prototype or concept car, by a tuner company (eg, like Zagato often did for other companies) or just a enthusiast doing custom work to his own car in homage to the 2 CV. Also, allcarsindex.com just scrapes its images and text (if any) from other sites, including both my own website and Wikipedia. It does no independent fact checking.
Secondly, how can it be "hidden" if it is on display. If it really is a concept car by Citroen then it is normal for a concept car to be developed quietly and then shown with great fanfare.
This needs far better references and background checking. If anything is unclear then it cannot be put on Wikipedia as a fact. Stepho talk 10:10, 2 March 2024 (UTC)