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I'll try to keep adding more information to this article as I learn more stuff. I'm reversing myself on some matters as I learn new things. I think more sources are needed, and multiple viewpoints, and it could use more pictures to make it more visually appealing. Not certain how to make it read "less like an essay" but I think just adding more info from different sources with differnt views will solve the problem.-- Tomwsulcer ( talk) 03:54, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
Not to be a party pooper but the terms "American Citizen" and "US citizen" are not synonymous. US citizens possess dual citizenship in both America and the United States. American citizens are citizens of their state of the Union. Congress is fully aware of this fact even if the general population is not. See the current codification of 15 Stat 249. It is the expat act passed 3 weeks after the 14th was passed. http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/22C23.txt.
This was a fact before the 14th amendment and it is a fact after the 14th amendment. A citizen of any one of the States of the union, is held to be, and called a citizen of the United States, although technically and abstractly there is no such thing. To conceive a citizen of the United States who is not a citizen of some one of the States, is totally foreign to the idea, and inconsistent with the proper construction and common understanding of the expression as used in the Constitution, which must be deduced from its various other provisions. The object then to be attained, by the exercise of the power of naturalization, was to make citizens of the respective States. [Ex Parte Knowles, 5 Cal. 300 (1855).
It also confirms what a plain reading of the Constitution says. The Federal Government ( a foreign corporation) was granted the power: To establish a uniform rule of naturalization.
Nowhere are they given the power to actually "naturalize" anyone. They are merely commanded to make a "General Set of Rules" which a Union State must adhere to IF they decide to naturalize someone.
Title 8 (not enacted) still reflects this very thing. Section 1101 (21) gives us "The term “national” means a person owing permanent allegiance to a state."
This is not the same as a "US National" defined at (22) " The term “national of the United States” means (A) a citizen of the United States, or (B) a person who, though not a citizen of the United States, owes permanent allegiance to the United States.
The Secretary of State will politely and erroneously inform any American citizen requesting a certificate of non citizen nationality that only individuals from American Samoa can be "US Nationals". They pretend that "national" is not defined differently than " National of the United States" showing the 2 are not synonymous.
The truth is seen in the definition of "naturalization" at (23)) The term “naturalization” means the conferring of ""nationality of a state"" upon a person after birth, by any means whatsoever.
“There are, then, under our "republican form of government", two classes of citizens, one of the United States and one of the state”. Gardina v. Board of Registrars of Jefferson County, 160 Ala. 155; 48 So. 788 (1909)
No matter what propaganda the government may put out to push their "democracy" on us the facts remain. All the Civil Rights Acts are shams. The Declaration of Independence say "All men are created equal and endowed by their Creator with unalienable rights". This applies to White People, Black People, Yellow People. If Congress can "grant" you a "right" it is not a right at all. It is a granted privilege which may be revoked at a whim. Far to many people today actually believe that our "servant" the government has the power to grant its owners "privileges". Just ask Supreme Court Justice Elena Kagan. She has openly, on the record stated that she believes that you have NO RIGHTS except what the government "allows" you to have. You enter "voluntary servitude" without even knowing it. Today you are trained in school to believe it is normal. Peace and good luck. 98.206.222.240 ( talk) 00:15, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
Shouldn't the costs of citizenship be mentioned after the benefits? Things like being taxed on your income while working abroad, not being able to visit certain countries and so on.
Well-written article by the way, very cogent. 86.41.61.203 ( talk) 19:23, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
I have quite a few friends who are naturalized citizens and reading this I feel one major benefit is missing - ability to travel to a number of countries without an entry visa. Also, legal residents who have to stay outside USA for more than 365 days may lose their green card but citizenship is unaffected. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.82.243.72 ( talk) 16:19, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
It seems that some of the benefits of citizenship listed should be removed since they are not attached to citizenship, i.e., freedom of religion, expression, speech, keep and bear arms, jury trial, etc. These are rights of all persons in the United States. Smit8678 ( talk) 13:36, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
This article contains a number of inaccuracies in that it conflates "citizenship" with "immigration".
For instance, John McCain's proposal would not have allowed aliens to apply for citizenship, but rather for admission as legal immigrants (commonly known as Green Card). Applicants couldn't apply for citizenship until five years later.
I will try and correct these issues as I see them in the article.
Also, the concept of "anchor babies" requires some clarifications that I will add. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevin M Keane ( talk • contribs) 09:35, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
A contributor attached a "cleanup tag" to the article but without specifying what his/her views were about the problems that need fixing. As the rule here states:-- Tomwsulcer ( talk) 20:50, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
So, whoever did so, please elaborate with the cleanup rationale, otherwise I'm removing the "cleanup tag" for the time being.-- Tomwsulcer ( talk) 20:50, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
There is a sentence I find misleading, which I intend to change "American law permits multiple citizenship, so a citizen of the United States can be a citizen of another country at the same time." Interestingly, citizens of foreign countries may retain their citizenship if their home country allows. But... native born and naturalized persons give up their U.S. Citizenship once they obtain naturalization in another country or pledge allegiance, etc, etc.
TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER III > Part III > § 1481 Prev | Next § 1481. Loss of nationality by native-born or naturalized citizen; voluntary action; burden of proof; presumptions How Current is This? (a) A person who is a national of the United States whether by birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily performing any of the following acts with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality— (1) obtaining naturalization in a foreign state upon his own application or upon an application filed by a duly authorized agent, after having attained the age of eighteen years; or (2) taking an oath or making an affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after having attained the age of eighteen years; or ... (3 the rest deals with serving in the government or military of a foreign state.) http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1481.html
"so a citizen of the United States can be a citizen of another country at the same time" is a bit misleading if not entirely incorrect. Reversing it is better: "a citizen of another country can be a citizen of the United States at the same time," but still... Tumacama ( talk) 23:52, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
"Illegal aliens who get caught in the gears of the justice system face horrendous odds". Gee, NPOV much? — Preceding unsigned comment added by PersonalAppealsSuck ( talk • contribs) 20:48, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
I've taken out quite a bit from this section. The entire article reads like an essay. I'm putting the text here just in case.
Citizenship began in colonial times as an active relation between people working cooperatively to solve municipal problems and participating actively in democratic decision-making, such as in New England town hall meetings. People met regularly to discuss local affairs and make decisions. These town meetings were described as the "earliest form of American democracy" [1] which was vital since citizen participation in public affairs helped keep democracy "sturdy", according to Alexis de Tocqueville in 1835. [2] A variety of forces changed this relation during the nation's history, including specialization of people into more focused roles which didn't include civic participation, government centralization, technological change, media exposure, prosperity, increased mobility making civic participation more difficult, and so forth. Attendance at town meetings dwindled. [3] Voting declined. [4] Citizenship became less defined by participation in politics and more defined as a legal relation with accompanying rights and privileges. While the realm of civic participation in the public sphere has shrunk, [5] [6] [7] the citizenship franchise has been expanded [8] to include not just propertied white adult men but African-American men [9] and adult women. [10] Thinkers such as Robert Kaplan, [11] Naomi Wolf, [7] Dana D. Nelson [12] and others have suggested that the decline of citizenship may pose problems for democracy in the future. Nevertheless, a continuing benefit of citizenship offers a chance to participate in a dynamic economic marketplace.
Much of this is opinion and quotations and seems out of place in an encyclopedia. 70.90.87.73 ( talk) 20:00, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
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There are too many citations to newspaper and magazine articles here and then they don't have citations to government, university or think tank reports that have the primary information. For all we know the journalists are using this article as the source for their articles. WikiParker ( talk) 20:42, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
I have added Saudi aramco as a reference as it is a Saudi government company with many expats including Americans working there. Their history involves cooperation between the Saudis and Americans.
As for the reference ( http://travel.gc.ca/destinations/united-states) please go to the tab 'ENTRY and EXIT requirements'. There you will see info about US citizens who have avoided military service. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.127.207.154 ( talk) 03:32, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
Americans thinking of ditching their citizenship may face huge tax penalties, according to this report in CNN.-- Tomwsulcer ( talk) 11:22, 13 February 2015 (UTC) There is a related article here.-- Tomwsulcer ( talk) 11:36, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
All Citizens of the United States are Americans but not all Americans are Citizens of the United States. I've corrected the section title, a few mistakes remain. 84.106.11.117 ( talk) 14:26, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
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Reading War of 1812 and that one of its causes was impressment of US citizens, I wondered if some of those impressed might have been born before the Revolution (they would have been at least 36 years old in 1812, but that's still serviceable). What would their status have been? Obviously they were US citizens (well, assuming they were white), but were they also considered British? Would they have then been liable for impressment by the Royal Navy? Are there any examples, particularly of men who never left the US and never served in the Royal Navy? Hairy Dude ( talk) 12:34, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
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This should be edited by someone who understands the reference to grandparents. It is biologically impossible to be "born to" a grandparent. Cospelero ( talk) 12:09, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
The "Rights, duties, and benefits" section reads like a propaganda leaflet:
These points are opinions. Some are sound opinions, some are accepted to form the basis of US citizenship, but they are nonetheless opinions and we, as an encyclopedia, must not present opinion as fact. If these points are made by a specific (reliable) source, that source must be credited specifically as holding that particular opinion. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a recruitment or immigration leaflet or a propaganda outlet. Hairy Dude ( talk) 22:47, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
The Constitution asks or implies that citizens should reply to an enumeration of their numbers and some other facts of their existence. Shouldn't this requirement be included under the Duties of Citizenship ? Pjefts ( talk) 02:55, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
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You may think that this is a trivial question- "just look at the last census bro"- but it's not that easy of a question to answer. The Census counts don't include Overseas Americans [1]. How may US citizens are there, really? Geographyinitiative ( talk) 00:25, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
I am really confused by this article and United States nationality law. Both of them conflate two different principles. Nationality defines who belongs. Citizenship is what you get or owe because you belong. So, for example in this article, the text "There are two primary sources of citizenship: birthright citizenship...and naturalization" is wrong and doesn't really fit with the topic of this article. Those are the ways in which one obtains belonging. Once you are part of the group, the sources of citizenship are national laws and state laws which define the rights, obligations, and limits of citizens. For example, denying a slave, Native American, or woman nationality, meant that they did not belong. Without belonging they did not derive any of the benefits or protections, nor owe any obligations that citizens receive from states or the nation. So, they couldn't vote, couldn't serve on a jury, etc. Is there anyone who has worked on this page who is interesting in sorting this out? I am focused at present on a series of articles on nationality and it is difficult to merely add information on our gaps of knowledge considering the state of these two at present. Lots of good information in both, but the organization of materials and conflation of topics makes it difficult for a reader to understand either topic. SusunW ( talk) 19:22, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
This statement: "Since immigrants from many countries have been presumed to vote Democratic if naturalized, there have been efforts by Democratic administrations to streamline citizenship applications before elections to increase turnout; Republicans, in contrast, have exerted pressure to slow down the process."
appears to be interpretating a Republican allegation within the cited reference as a statement of fact. As far as I'm aware, no Democratic administration has ever claimed to hold such a self-serving motivation. I suggest this should be reworded to clearly indicate that this is an "allegation" not a "fact". — Preceding unsigned comment added by New~enwiki ( talk • contribs) 15:52, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
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I'll try to keep adding more information to this article as I learn more stuff. I'm reversing myself on some matters as I learn new things. I think more sources are needed, and multiple viewpoints, and it could use more pictures to make it more visually appealing. Not certain how to make it read "less like an essay" but I think just adding more info from different sources with differnt views will solve the problem.-- Tomwsulcer ( talk) 03:54, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
Not to be a party pooper but the terms "American Citizen" and "US citizen" are not synonymous. US citizens possess dual citizenship in both America and the United States. American citizens are citizens of their state of the Union. Congress is fully aware of this fact even if the general population is not. See the current codification of 15 Stat 249. It is the expat act passed 3 weeks after the 14th was passed. http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/22C23.txt.
This was a fact before the 14th amendment and it is a fact after the 14th amendment. A citizen of any one of the States of the union, is held to be, and called a citizen of the United States, although technically and abstractly there is no such thing. To conceive a citizen of the United States who is not a citizen of some one of the States, is totally foreign to the idea, and inconsistent with the proper construction and common understanding of the expression as used in the Constitution, which must be deduced from its various other provisions. The object then to be attained, by the exercise of the power of naturalization, was to make citizens of the respective States. [Ex Parte Knowles, 5 Cal. 300 (1855).
It also confirms what a plain reading of the Constitution says. The Federal Government ( a foreign corporation) was granted the power: To establish a uniform rule of naturalization.
Nowhere are they given the power to actually "naturalize" anyone. They are merely commanded to make a "General Set of Rules" which a Union State must adhere to IF they decide to naturalize someone.
Title 8 (not enacted) still reflects this very thing. Section 1101 (21) gives us "The term “national” means a person owing permanent allegiance to a state."
This is not the same as a "US National" defined at (22) " The term “national of the United States” means (A) a citizen of the United States, or (B) a person who, though not a citizen of the United States, owes permanent allegiance to the United States.
The Secretary of State will politely and erroneously inform any American citizen requesting a certificate of non citizen nationality that only individuals from American Samoa can be "US Nationals". They pretend that "national" is not defined differently than " National of the United States" showing the 2 are not synonymous.
The truth is seen in the definition of "naturalization" at (23)) The term “naturalization” means the conferring of ""nationality of a state"" upon a person after birth, by any means whatsoever.
“There are, then, under our "republican form of government", two classes of citizens, one of the United States and one of the state”. Gardina v. Board of Registrars of Jefferson County, 160 Ala. 155; 48 So. 788 (1909)
No matter what propaganda the government may put out to push their "democracy" on us the facts remain. All the Civil Rights Acts are shams. The Declaration of Independence say "All men are created equal and endowed by their Creator with unalienable rights". This applies to White People, Black People, Yellow People. If Congress can "grant" you a "right" it is not a right at all. It is a granted privilege which may be revoked at a whim. Far to many people today actually believe that our "servant" the government has the power to grant its owners "privileges". Just ask Supreme Court Justice Elena Kagan. She has openly, on the record stated that she believes that you have NO RIGHTS except what the government "allows" you to have. You enter "voluntary servitude" without even knowing it. Today you are trained in school to believe it is normal. Peace and good luck. 98.206.222.240 ( talk) 00:15, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
Shouldn't the costs of citizenship be mentioned after the benefits? Things like being taxed on your income while working abroad, not being able to visit certain countries and so on.
Well-written article by the way, very cogent. 86.41.61.203 ( talk) 19:23, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
I have quite a few friends who are naturalized citizens and reading this I feel one major benefit is missing - ability to travel to a number of countries without an entry visa. Also, legal residents who have to stay outside USA for more than 365 days may lose their green card but citizenship is unaffected. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.82.243.72 ( talk) 16:19, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
It seems that some of the benefits of citizenship listed should be removed since they are not attached to citizenship, i.e., freedom of religion, expression, speech, keep and bear arms, jury trial, etc. These are rights of all persons in the United States. Smit8678 ( talk) 13:36, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
This article contains a number of inaccuracies in that it conflates "citizenship" with "immigration".
For instance, John McCain's proposal would not have allowed aliens to apply for citizenship, but rather for admission as legal immigrants (commonly known as Green Card). Applicants couldn't apply for citizenship until five years later.
I will try and correct these issues as I see them in the article.
Also, the concept of "anchor babies" requires some clarifications that I will add. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevin M Keane ( talk • contribs) 09:35, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
A contributor attached a "cleanup tag" to the article but without specifying what his/her views were about the problems that need fixing. As the rule here states:-- Tomwsulcer ( talk) 20:50, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
So, whoever did so, please elaborate with the cleanup rationale, otherwise I'm removing the "cleanup tag" for the time being.-- Tomwsulcer ( talk) 20:50, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
There is a sentence I find misleading, which I intend to change "American law permits multiple citizenship, so a citizen of the United States can be a citizen of another country at the same time." Interestingly, citizens of foreign countries may retain their citizenship if their home country allows. But... native born and naturalized persons give up their U.S. Citizenship once they obtain naturalization in another country or pledge allegiance, etc, etc.
TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER III > Part III > § 1481 Prev | Next § 1481. Loss of nationality by native-born or naturalized citizen; voluntary action; burden of proof; presumptions How Current is This? (a) A person who is a national of the United States whether by birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily performing any of the following acts with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality— (1) obtaining naturalization in a foreign state upon his own application or upon an application filed by a duly authorized agent, after having attained the age of eighteen years; or (2) taking an oath or making an affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after having attained the age of eighteen years; or ... (3 the rest deals with serving in the government or military of a foreign state.) http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1481.html
"so a citizen of the United States can be a citizen of another country at the same time" is a bit misleading if not entirely incorrect. Reversing it is better: "a citizen of another country can be a citizen of the United States at the same time," but still... Tumacama ( talk) 23:52, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
"Illegal aliens who get caught in the gears of the justice system face horrendous odds". Gee, NPOV much? — Preceding unsigned comment added by PersonalAppealsSuck ( talk • contribs) 20:48, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
I've taken out quite a bit from this section. The entire article reads like an essay. I'm putting the text here just in case.
Citizenship began in colonial times as an active relation between people working cooperatively to solve municipal problems and participating actively in democratic decision-making, such as in New England town hall meetings. People met regularly to discuss local affairs and make decisions. These town meetings were described as the "earliest form of American democracy" [1] which was vital since citizen participation in public affairs helped keep democracy "sturdy", according to Alexis de Tocqueville in 1835. [2] A variety of forces changed this relation during the nation's history, including specialization of people into more focused roles which didn't include civic participation, government centralization, technological change, media exposure, prosperity, increased mobility making civic participation more difficult, and so forth. Attendance at town meetings dwindled. [3] Voting declined. [4] Citizenship became less defined by participation in politics and more defined as a legal relation with accompanying rights and privileges. While the realm of civic participation in the public sphere has shrunk, [5] [6] [7] the citizenship franchise has been expanded [8] to include not just propertied white adult men but African-American men [9] and adult women. [10] Thinkers such as Robert Kaplan, [11] Naomi Wolf, [7] Dana D. Nelson [12] and others have suggested that the decline of citizenship may pose problems for democracy in the future. Nevertheless, a continuing benefit of citizenship offers a chance to participate in a dynamic economic marketplace.
Much of this is opinion and quotations and seems out of place in an encyclopedia. 70.90.87.73 ( talk) 20:00, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
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There are too many citations to newspaper and magazine articles here and then they don't have citations to government, university or think tank reports that have the primary information. For all we know the journalists are using this article as the source for their articles. WikiParker ( talk) 20:42, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
I have added Saudi aramco as a reference as it is a Saudi government company with many expats including Americans working there. Their history involves cooperation between the Saudis and Americans.
As for the reference ( http://travel.gc.ca/destinations/united-states) please go to the tab 'ENTRY and EXIT requirements'. There you will see info about US citizens who have avoided military service. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.127.207.154 ( talk) 03:32, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
Americans thinking of ditching their citizenship may face huge tax penalties, according to this report in CNN.-- Tomwsulcer ( talk) 11:22, 13 February 2015 (UTC) There is a related article here.-- Tomwsulcer ( talk) 11:36, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
All Citizens of the United States are Americans but not all Americans are Citizens of the United States. I've corrected the section title, a few mistakes remain. 84.106.11.117 ( talk) 14:26, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: Moved. Close thing, but there are more supports, and the argument about the scope of the article not including other citizenships holds water. — Amakuru ( talk) 09:38, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
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Reading War of 1812 and that one of its causes was impressment of US citizens, I wondered if some of those impressed might have been born before the Revolution (they would have been at least 36 years old in 1812, but that's still serviceable). What would their status have been? Obviously they were US citizens (well, assuming they were white), but were they also considered British? Would they have then been liable for impressment by the Royal Navy? Are there any examples, particularly of men who never left the US and never served in the Royal Navy? Hairy Dude ( talk) 12:34, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
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This should be edited by someone who understands the reference to grandparents. It is biologically impossible to be "born to" a grandparent. Cospelero ( talk) 12:09, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
The "Rights, duties, and benefits" section reads like a propaganda leaflet:
These points are opinions. Some are sound opinions, some are accepted to form the basis of US citizenship, but they are nonetheless opinions and we, as an encyclopedia, must not present opinion as fact. If these points are made by a specific (reliable) source, that source must be credited specifically as holding that particular opinion. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a recruitment or immigration leaflet or a propaganda outlet. Hairy Dude ( talk) 22:47, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
The Constitution asks or implies that citizens should reply to an enumeration of their numbers and some other facts of their existence. Shouldn't this requirement be included under the Duties of Citizenship ? Pjefts ( talk) 02:55, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
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You may think that this is a trivial question- "just look at the last census bro"- but it's not that easy of a question to answer. The Census counts don't include Overseas Americans [1]. How may US citizens are there, really? Geographyinitiative ( talk) 00:25, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
I am really confused by this article and United States nationality law. Both of them conflate two different principles. Nationality defines who belongs. Citizenship is what you get or owe because you belong. So, for example in this article, the text "There are two primary sources of citizenship: birthright citizenship...and naturalization" is wrong and doesn't really fit with the topic of this article. Those are the ways in which one obtains belonging. Once you are part of the group, the sources of citizenship are national laws and state laws which define the rights, obligations, and limits of citizens. For example, denying a slave, Native American, or woman nationality, meant that they did not belong. Without belonging they did not derive any of the benefits or protections, nor owe any obligations that citizens receive from states or the nation. So, they couldn't vote, couldn't serve on a jury, etc. Is there anyone who has worked on this page who is interesting in sorting this out? I am focused at present on a series of articles on nationality and it is difficult to merely add information on our gaps of knowledge considering the state of these two at present. Lots of good information in both, but the organization of materials and conflation of topics makes it difficult for a reader to understand either topic. SusunW ( talk) 19:22, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
This statement: "Since immigrants from many countries have been presumed to vote Democratic if naturalized, there have been efforts by Democratic administrations to streamline citizenship applications before elections to increase turnout; Republicans, in contrast, have exerted pressure to slow down the process."
appears to be interpretating a Republican allegation within the cited reference as a statement of fact. As far as I'm aware, no Democratic administration has ever claimed to hold such a self-serving motivation. I suggest this should be reworded to clearly indicate that this is an "allegation" not a "fact". — Preceding unsigned comment added by New~enwiki ( talk • contribs) 15:52, 10 January 2024 (UTC)