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The name of this article was changed from food therapy to Chinese food therapy because the phrase food therapy is far too generic to be claimed just by one culture or group. It could just as well be claimed as a modality of natural health, for example. -- John Gohde 15:53, 11 May 2004 (UTC)
I'm surprised nothing was written about 熱氣. Certain types of food (greasy, fried, chocolate) are supposed to cause it, and and other types are supposed to nullify it (soup, tea), and 熱氣 is the supposed cause of ailments like sore throats, coughs, fevers, acme, and so on. -- Yuje 23:49, July 24, 2005 (UTC)
I'd be interested if Chinese food therapy was related to Daoism immortality practices. I'm taking a Chinese history class and in it I learned that one of the Daoist techniques for achieving immortality had to do with dietary practices. It would make sense especially if this is refering to particularly Chinese practices if those Daoist diets are related to the food therapy. Jztinfinity 02:42, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
The Chinese old proverb "Yi Shi Tong Yuan" (醫食同源) that means "medicine and diet both originated from the practice and experience of daily life" [1], I think, deserves its on article. However since none tried it, I think it should be at least addressed in the article.-- Caspian blue 00:09, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
"In this way, this health system is in direct opposition to Louis Pasteur's germ theory of disease[dubious – discuss], being more aligned with Claude Bernard, and Antoine Bechamp's biological terrain theory of disease."
This is a truly ridiculous comparison. In developed societies, how many diseases these days are caused by "germs" ? Is heart disease caused by "germs" ? Is diabetes caused by "germs" ? Are strokes caused by "germs" ? Is cancer caused by "germs" ? Its nonsense. Eregli bob ( talk) 10:28, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
Here are some books:
"The Chinese Kitchen: Recipes, Techniques, Ingredients, History, and Memories from America's Leading Authority on Chinese Cooking" by Eileen Yin Fei-Lo
"Feng Shui and the 5-Element Kitchen" by Jurgen Heinrich Fahrnow
"The Feng Shui Cookbook: Creating Health and Harmony in Your Kitchen" by Elizabeth Miles
"Chinese Dietary Therapy" by Liu Jilin
"The Tao of Healthy Eating: Dietary Wisdom According to Traditional Chinese Medicine" by Bob Flaws
"Chinese Diet Therapy" by Zhao Muying
"Chinese Nutrition Therapy: Dietetics in Traditional Chinese Medicine" by Joerg Kastner
"Healing with Whole Foods: Asian Traditions and Modern Nutrition" by Paul Pitchford
"Prince Wen Hui's Cook: Chinese Dietary Therapy" by Bob Flaws and Honora Wolf
"A Spoonful of Ginger: Irresistible, Health-Giving Recipes from Asian Kitchens" by Nina Simonds
"Chinese System Of Food Cures: Prevention & Remedies" by Henry C. Lu
"Your Guide to Health with Foods & Herbs: Using the Wisdom of Traditional Chinese Medicine" by Zhang Yifang and Yao Yingzhi
"Heart Smart Chinese Cooking" by Stephen Wong
"The Healing Cuisine of China: 300 Recipes for Vibrant Health and Longevity" by Zhuo Zhao and George Ellis
"Chinese Foods for Longevity: The Art of Long Life" by Henry C. Lu
"Diseases Treated with Melons, Fruits and Vegetables: Traditional Chinese Medical Therapies" by Zongchang Xiu
"Chinese Healing Foods" by Rosa Ross
"Chinese System Of Foods For Health & Healing" by Henry C. Lu
"A Soup for the Qan: Chinese Dietary Medicine of the Mongol Era As Seen in Hu Sihui's Yinshan Zhengyao (Sir Henry Wellcome Asian Series)" by Paul D. Buell and Eugene N. Anderson
"Food as Medicine: A Traditional Chinese Medical Perspective" by Ted Zombolas and Jing Yuan
"Natural Remedies From The Chinese Cupboard: Healing Foods And Herbs" by Jing Pei Fang
"Five Laws for Healthy Living: Discover the Wisdom of Chinese Medicine to Nourish Your Life" by Angela Hicks and A. Hicks
"Diet Therapy of Diabetes (Chinese Edition)" by lei yong le
"The Book of Jook: Chinese Medicinal Porridges--A Healthy Alternative to the Typical Western Breakfast" by Bob Flaws
"Buddhist Health Preserving and Diet Therapy (Chinese Edition)" by Dong Xiao Kang
"New Knowledge on Family Diet Therapy (Chinese Edition)" by ben she
"Food, Medicine, and the Quest for Good Health" by Nancy N. Chen
"Diet Therapy for Cancers (Chinese Edition)" by zhang bing qi and an yu zhi
"The Care and Feeding of Your Chi: Feng Shui for Your Body" by Skye Alexander
"Chinese Diet Library: Heart Disease Diet Therapy" by Shen Hong
"The Chinese System of Using Foods to Stay Young" by Henry C. Lu
"Nourishing Life: Chinese Hundreds of Herb-medicine Imperial Cuisine (Chinese-English edition)" by Jiao Mingyao
"Healthy Life: Chinese Hundreds of Herb-medicine Imperial Cuisine (Chinese-English edition)" by Jiao Mingyao
"Prolonging Life: Chinese Hundreds of Herb-medicine Imperial Cuisine (Chinese-English edition)" by Jiao Mingyao
"Fruits As Medicine: A Safe and Cheap Form of Traditional Chinese Food Therapy" by Dai Yin-Fang, Liu Cheng-Jun, Ron Edwards and Gong Zhi-Mei
"Ginger, Garlic & Green Onions As Medicine: Curing Diseases the Chinese Way : A Safe and Cheap Form of Traditional Chinese Food Therapy" by Wang Fuchun and Duan Yuhua
"Dr. Chang's secrets of a thin body: Permanent weight loss no more cellulite complete healing diet" by Stephen T Chang
"Chinese diet for your health" by Henry C Lu
"Chinese health foods: Cook it yourself" by Henry C Lu
"A Taoist Cookbook: With Meditations Taken from the Laozi Daode Jing." by Michael Saso
"Tai Chi Diet: Food for Life." by Mike Symonds
"Your Way to Health With Foods and Herbs: Using the Wisdom of Traditional Chinese Medicine" by Zhang Yifang
"Managing Your Emotional Health Using Traditional Chinese Medicine: How Herbs, Natural Foods, and Acupressure Can Regulate and Harmonize Your Mind and Body" by Zhang Yifang
"Cooking With Chinese Herbs" by Terry Tan
"Chinese Medicinal Herbs: A Modern Edition of a Classic Sixteenth- Century Manual" by Li Shih-Chen
Henry123ifa ( talk) 12:01, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
From 2002 till April 18, 2014, the old content lasted 12 years before it was blasted away. Twelve years were not too bad at all. :-) Kowloonese ( talk) 23:01, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
Are there viewpoints that are overrepresented, or underrepresented?
I thought that the article did not go in depth about what food therapy really is and how it works. It didnt provide enough details.
Is the article neutral? Are there any claims, or frames, that appear heavily biased toward a particular position?
I did not think it was biased, I think it was fairly neutral.
cynthia m Cmart35 ( talk) 06:38, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
Removed comparisons to herbal therapy because they had no relevance in this discussion. The contents of imported herbs have nothing to do with which foods one should or should not eat. These statements served as a distraction and were an apples and oranges comparison. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.158.254.69 ( talk) 15:15, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
Hi
Edaham! Responding to your invitation, I reworded the sentence and I'm here with a few comments on my summary of that relevant literature review recently added by
Zefr (thanks, Zefr!). If it came alone, the statement that "Chinese diet may reduce hypertension" would definitely not fly. This is why I made sure it was carefully and repeatedly hedged: "very few studies in English", "*preliminary* studies conducted in China", "*may* *help* reduce", "much less evidence" than for
DASH diet. Taken together, this doesn't sound like strong support for CFD. To make everything even clearer, though more wordy, I added more hedging and specifications, all based on the content of the article:
The article addresses efficacy explicitly:
Relative lack of evidence:
I hope my summary of these sometimes ambiguous statements will strike you as balanced and will satisfy your request for neutrality! Cheers, Madalibi ( talk) 07:16, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
Someone's added a criticism section which seems like it may not be entirely relevant. It mentions herbalism which is quite a different subject. I'm not sure how this subject is spun in the west as I live in Shanghai, but here food therapy is quite different from herbalism. There's a big chunk of things wrong with the Chinese traditional understanding of the workings of anatomy, but they are quite specific. The current section looks like it's been copied over from a more generic article on naturopathy. It needs to be worked to be focused on the subject it is dealing with. I do not advocate its removal. Please don't remove it. Edaham ( talk) 12:48, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
Thank you for solving this so quickly, everybody. And I like your formulation, Edaham! :) Let me try to add a few more critical views to the history section so that readers will not be tempted to think "these ideas have a long history so they must be right", or something. (Although of course people should feel free to eat more roughage ["cold" food] if they're constipated [a "hot" disease].) One source, for example, speaks of some food associations as " sympathetic magic". These critical views are present in the same reliable sources I used to write the historical account, so the article will remain balanced and won't fall into synthesis. For better contextualization, I will also add comparisons — made explicitly in reliable sources I haven't cited yet — with western medicine: Galen, Renaissance dietetics, humoral medicine, and other such things. All right, keep up the good work! Madalibi ( talk) 02:29, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
This article was nominated for deletion on 27 April 2014 (UTC). The result of the discussion was keep. |
This article is rated C-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
This article is or was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment. Further details are available on the course page. Peer reviewers: Cmart35.
Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT ( talk) 17:31, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
The name of this article was changed from food therapy to Chinese food therapy because the phrase food therapy is far too generic to be claimed just by one culture or group. It could just as well be claimed as a modality of natural health, for example. -- John Gohde 15:53, 11 May 2004 (UTC)
I'm surprised nothing was written about 熱氣. Certain types of food (greasy, fried, chocolate) are supposed to cause it, and and other types are supposed to nullify it (soup, tea), and 熱氣 is the supposed cause of ailments like sore throats, coughs, fevers, acme, and so on. -- Yuje 23:49, July 24, 2005 (UTC)
I'd be interested if Chinese food therapy was related to Daoism immortality practices. I'm taking a Chinese history class and in it I learned that one of the Daoist techniques for achieving immortality had to do with dietary practices. It would make sense especially if this is refering to particularly Chinese practices if those Daoist diets are related to the food therapy. Jztinfinity 02:42, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
The Chinese old proverb "Yi Shi Tong Yuan" (醫食同源) that means "medicine and diet both originated from the practice and experience of daily life" [1], I think, deserves its on article. However since none tried it, I think it should be at least addressed in the article.-- Caspian blue 00:09, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
"In this way, this health system is in direct opposition to Louis Pasteur's germ theory of disease[dubious – discuss], being more aligned with Claude Bernard, and Antoine Bechamp's biological terrain theory of disease."
This is a truly ridiculous comparison. In developed societies, how many diseases these days are caused by "germs" ? Is heart disease caused by "germs" ? Is diabetes caused by "germs" ? Are strokes caused by "germs" ? Is cancer caused by "germs" ? Its nonsense. Eregli bob ( talk) 10:28, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
Here are some books:
"The Chinese Kitchen: Recipes, Techniques, Ingredients, History, and Memories from America's Leading Authority on Chinese Cooking" by Eileen Yin Fei-Lo
"Feng Shui and the 5-Element Kitchen" by Jurgen Heinrich Fahrnow
"The Feng Shui Cookbook: Creating Health and Harmony in Your Kitchen" by Elizabeth Miles
"Chinese Dietary Therapy" by Liu Jilin
"The Tao of Healthy Eating: Dietary Wisdom According to Traditional Chinese Medicine" by Bob Flaws
"Chinese Diet Therapy" by Zhao Muying
"Chinese Nutrition Therapy: Dietetics in Traditional Chinese Medicine" by Joerg Kastner
"Healing with Whole Foods: Asian Traditions and Modern Nutrition" by Paul Pitchford
"Prince Wen Hui's Cook: Chinese Dietary Therapy" by Bob Flaws and Honora Wolf
"A Spoonful of Ginger: Irresistible, Health-Giving Recipes from Asian Kitchens" by Nina Simonds
"Chinese System Of Food Cures: Prevention & Remedies" by Henry C. Lu
"Your Guide to Health with Foods & Herbs: Using the Wisdom of Traditional Chinese Medicine" by Zhang Yifang and Yao Yingzhi
"Heart Smart Chinese Cooking" by Stephen Wong
"The Healing Cuisine of China: 300 Recipes for Vibrant Health and Longevity" by Zhuo Zhao and George Ellis
"Chinese Foods for Longevity: The Art of Long Life" by Henry C. Lu
"Diseases Treated with Melons, Fruits and Vegetables: Traditional Chinese Medical Therapies" by Zongchang Xiu
"Chinese Healing Foods" by Rosa Ross
"Chinese System Of Foods For Health & Healing" by Henry C. Lu
"A Soup for the Qan: Chinese Dietary Medicine of the Mongol Era As Seen in Hu Sihui's Yinshan Zhengyao (Sir Henry Wellcome Asian Series)" by Paul D. Buell and Eugene N. Anderson
"Food as Medicine: A Traditional Chinese Medical Perspective" by Ted Zombolas and Jing Yuan
"Natural Remedies From The Chinese Cupboard: Healing Foods And Herbs" by Jing Pei Fang
"Five Laws for Healthy Living: Discover the Wisdom of Chinese Medicine to Nourish Your Life" by Angela Hicks and A. Hicks
"Diet Therapy of Diabetes (Chinese Edition)" by lei yong le
"The Book of Jook: Chinese Medicinal Porridges--A Healthy Alternative to the Typical Western Breakfast" by Bob Flaws
"Buddhist Health Preserving and Diet Therapy (Chinese Edition)" by Dong Xiao Kang
"New Knowledge on Family Diet Therapy (Chinese Edition)" by ben she
"Food, Medicine, and the Quest for Good Health" by Nancy N. Chen
"Diet Therapy for Cancers (Chinese Edition)" by zhang bing qi and an yu zhi
"The Care and Feeding of Your Chi: Feng Shui for Your Body" by Skye Alexander
"Chinese Diet Library: Heart Disease Diet Therapy" by Shen Hong
"The Chinese System of Using Foods to Stay Young" by Henry C. Lu
"Nourishing Life: Chinese Hundreds of Herb-medicine Imperial Cuisine (Chinese-English edition)" by Jiao Mingyao
"Healthy Life: Chinese Hundreds of Herb-medicine Imperial Cuisine (Chinese-English edition)" by Jiao Mingyao
"Prolonging Life: Chinese Hundreds of Herb-medicine Imperial Cuisine (Chinese-English edition)" by Jiao Mingyao
"Fruits As Medicine: A Safe and Cheap Form of Traditional Chinese Food Therapy" by Dai Yin-Fang, Liu Cheng-Jun, Ron Edwards and Gong Zhi-Mei
"Ginger, Garlic & Green Onions As Medicine: Curing Diseases the Chinese Way : A Safe and Cheap Form of Traditional Chinese Food Therapy" by Wang Fuchun and Duan Yuhua
"Dr. Chang's secrets of a thin body: Permanent weight loss no more cellulite complete healing diet" by Stephen T Chang
"Chinese diet for your health" by Henry C Lu
"Chinese health foods: Cook it yourself" by Henry C Lu
"A Taoist Cookbook: With Meditations Taken from the Laozi Daode Jing." by Michael Saso
"Tai Chi Diet: Food for Life." by Mike Symonds
"Your Way to Health With Foods and Herbs: Using the Wisdom of Traditional Chinese Medicine" by Zhang Yifang
"Managing Your Emotional Health Using Traditional Chinese Medicine: How Herbs, Natural Foods, and Acupressure Can Regulate and Harmonize Your Mind and Body" by Zhang Yifang
"Cooking With Chinese Herbs" by Terry Tan
"Chinese Medicinal Herbs: A Modern Edition of a Classic Sixteenth- Century Manual" by Li Shih-Chen
Henry123ifa ( talk) 12:01, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
From 2002 till April 18, 2014, the old content lasted 12 years before it was blasted away. Twelve years were not too bad at all. :-) Kowloonese ( talk) 23:01, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
Are there viewpoints that are overrepresented, or underrepresented?
I thought that the article did not go in depth about what food therapy really is and how it works. It didnt provide enough details.
Is the article neutral? Are there any claims, or frames, that appear heavily biased toward a particular position?
I did not think it was biased, I think it was fairly neutral.
cynthia m Cmart35 ( talk) 06:38, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
Removed comparisons to herbal therapy because they had no relevance in this discussion. The contents of imported herbs have nothing to do with which foods one should or should not eat. These statements served as a distraction and were an apples and oranges comparison. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.158.254.69 ( talk) 15:15, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
Hi
Edaham! Responding to your invitation, I reworded the sentence and I'm here with a few comments on my summary of that relevant literature review recently added by
Zefr (thanks, Zefr!). If it came alone, the statement that "Chinese diet may reduce hypertension" would definitely not fly. This is why I made sure it was carefully and repeatedly hedged: "very few studies in English", "*preliminary* studies conducted in China", "*may* *help* reduce", "much less evidence" than for
DASH diet. Taken together, this doesn't sound like strong support for CFD. To make everything even clearer, though more wordy, I added more hedging and specifications, all based on the content of the article:
The article addresses efficacy explicitly:
Relative lack of evidence:
I hope my summary of these sometimes ambiguous statements will strike you as balanced and will satisfy your request for neutrality! Cheers, Madalibi ( talk) 07:16, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
Someone's added a criticism section which seems like it may not be entirely relevant. It mentions herbalism which is quite a different subject. I'm not sure how this subject is spun in the west as I live in Shanghai, but here food therapy is quite different from herbalism. There's a big chunk of things wrong with the Chinese traditional understanding of the workings of anatomy, but they are quite specific. The current section looks like it's been copied over from a more generic article on naturopathy. It needs to be worked to be focused on the subject it is dealing with. I do not advocate its removal. Please don't remove it. Edaham ( talk) 12:48, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
Thank you for solving this so quickly, everybody. And I like your formulation, Edaham! :) Let me try to add a few more critical views to the history section so that readers will not be tempted to think "these ideas have a long history so they must be right", or something. (Although of course people should feel free to eat more roughage ["cold" food] if they're constipated [a "hot" disease].) One source, for example, speaks of some food associations as " sympathetic magic". These critical views are present in the same reliable sources I used to write the historical account, so the article will remain balanced and won't fall into synthesis. For better contextualization, I will also add comparisons — made explicitly in reliable sources I haven't cited yet — with western medicine: Galen, Renaissance dietetics, humoral medicine, and other such things. All right, keep up the good work! Madalibi ( talk) 02:29, 7 August 2017 (UTC)