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I don't at all disagree with the editor who deleted this part before. However, if we were to leave a reference to "hyrcanian", it's definitely not "sea", it would be "Hyrcanian Ocean", per
https://www.worldatlas.com/lakes/caspian-sea.html, amobg all others. Cheers and thank you.
Floyd23 (
talk) 10:36, 29 December 2021 (UTC)reply
In the
§Coastline section a mention of the sea's coastline length and a list breaking it down by country appears thrice: once for 4800 km, once for 6380 km, and finally for 6500 km. Because of the
coastline paradox none of these are right in a rigorous sense, so I propose either scrapping the section, or less drastically picking one of these measures, explaining how it was calculated (e.g. "4800 km when measured with a 10-kilometer yardstick" or something), mentioning the coastline paradox and removing the other measures.
In a separate matter, in the Facts and figures section, I was puzzled by the repetition of infobox material ("facts and figures" isn't a common section on Wikipedia, more of a news site thing) and US-unit-first presentation, and discovered the numbers were copypasted outright and the paragraph a redundant paraphrase, so I went ahead and removed it.
oatco(talk) 13:11, 14 October 2022 (UTC)reply
Tang empire connection
I very much doubt that "in the
Tang dynasty (618-907), the [Caspian] sea was the western limit of the Chinese Empire". AIUI, Chinese control has never extended west of the
Tarim basin; indeed, it often remained contested within the basin during the reign of weak emperors. Wikipedia's page on the Tang dynasty does not suggest that empire reached the Caspian then, and the only sources listed here in support are (I think) a high-school level world history textbook and a brief side-mention by a non-experts instead studying the reception of Chinese literature (which likely circulated outside the empire proper). Is there a better source in support?
Bernanke's Crossbow (
talk) 18:38, 26 March 2023 (UTC)reply
The Tang Dynasty’s territory indeed never reached the Caspian Sea. However, Tang control was not limited to just the Tarmin Basin either. During the Tang Dynasty’s territory peak, the reigns of Emperor Taizong and Emperor Xuanzong of Tang (626-683), Tang’s territorial control did reach as far as the modern day Aral Sea and western Afghanistan for a brief amount of years. The Western Turkic Khangante, whom the Tang Dynasty annexed under Emperor Gaozong of Tang in 657, did had territorial control over the region around the Caspian Sea. If the Western Turkic Khanganate had control over the Caspian Sea, and the Tang Dynasty brought it under their control, then why didn’t the Caspian Sea become the westernmost extant of the Tang Dynasty? Two possible solutions are number 1, the Western Turkic Khangante lost that territory before the annexation, or the Tang only annexed parts of the former Western Turkic Khangante.
2600:6C58:4C7F:FF95:856A:C07:CE58:2CCC (
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But another issue is that if we take this into account, the Caspian Sea would still not be the westernmost part of the territory of the Tang Dynasty, because the territories of the western Turks went beyond the Caspian Sea, in fact it would go as far as the
Sea of Azov, occupying territories including the then cachectic
Byzantine Empire. Which would mean, bizarrely, that most of the
Tang Dynasty's territory would come from
Western Korea to the territories of present-day
Ukraine, which would put even the
Mongol Empire to shame. If this is true, it would mean that the map we used in the Tang Dynasty article is very incomplete... EXTREMELY incomplete.
The Young Prussian (
talk) 17:40, 15 January 2024 (UTC)reply
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List alt. language names for all state languages with caspian territory (or don't list farsi in header)
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I don't at all disagree with the editor who deleted this part before. However, if we were to leave a reference to "hyrcanian", it's definitely not "sea", it would be "Hyrcanian Ocean", per
https://www.worldatlas.com/lakes/caspian-sea.html, amobg all others. Cheers and thank you.
Floyd23 (
talk) 10:36, 29 December 2021 (UTC)reply
In the
§Coastline section a mention of the sea's coastline length and a list breaking it down by country appears thrice: once for 4800 km, once for 6380 km, and finally for 6500 km. Because of the
coastline paradox none of these are right in a rigorous sense, so I propose either scrapping the section, or less drastically picking one of these measures, explaining how it was calculated (e.g. "4800 km when measured with a 10-kilometer yardstick" or something), mentioning the coastline paradox and removing the other measures.
In a separate matter, in the Facts and figures section, I was puzzled by the repetition of infobox material ("facts and figures" isn't a common section on Wikipedia, more of a news site thing) and US-unit-first presentation, and discovered the numbers were copypasted outright and the paragraph a redundant paraphrase, so I went ahead and removed it.
oatco(talk) 13:11, 14 October 2022 (UTC)reply
Tang empire connection
I very much doubt that "in the
Tang dynasty (618-907), the [Caspian] sea was the western limit of the Chinese Empire". AIUI, Chinese control has never extended west of the
Tarim basin; indeed, it often remained contested within the basin during the reign of weak emperors. Wikipedia's page on the Tang dynasty does not suggest that empire reached the Caspian then, and the only sources listed here in support are (I think) a high-school level world history textbook and a brief side-mention by a non-experts instead studying the reception of Chinese literature (which likely circulated outside the empire proper). Is there a better source in support?
Bernanke's Crossbow (
talk) 18:38, 26 March 2023 (UTC)reply
The Tang Dynasty’s territory indeed never reached the Caspian Sea. However, Tang control was not limited to just the Tarmin Basin either. During the Tang Dynasty’s territory peak, the reigns of Emperor Taizong and Emperor Xuanzong of Tang (626-683), Tang’s territorial control did reach as far as the modern day Aral Sea and western Afghanistan for a brief amount of years. The Western Turkic Khangante, whom the Tang Dynasty annexed under Emperor Gaozong of Tang in 657, did had territorial control over the region around the Caspian Sea. If the Western Turkic Khanganate had control over the Caspian Sea, and the Tang Dynasty brought it under their control, then why didn’t the Caspian Sea become the westernmost extant of the Tang Dynasty? Two possible solutions are number 1, the Western Turkic Khangante lost that territory before the annexation, or the Tang only annexed parts of the former Western Turkic Khangante.
2600:6C58:4C7F:FF95:856A:C07:CE58:2CCC (
talk) 02:46, 4 December 2023 (UTC)reply
But another issue is that if we take this into account, the Caspian Sea would still not be the westernmost part of the territory of the Tang Dynasty, because the territories of the western Turks went beyond the Caspian Sea, in fact it would go as far as the
Sea of Azov, occupying territories including the then cachectic
Byzantine Empire. Which would mean, bizarrely, that most of the
Tang Dynasty's territory would come from
Western Korea to the territories of present-day
Ukraine, which would put even the
Mongol Empire to shame. If this is true, it would mean that the map we used in the Tang Dynasty article is very incomplete... EXTREMELY incomplete.
The Young Prussian (
talk) 17:40, 15 January 2024 (UTC)reply
level-3 vital article is rated C-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale.
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