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The result of the move request was: Moved. Carlo Semenza to become DAB page. ( non-admin closure) Vpab15 ( talk) 15:38, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Carlo Semenza →
Carlo Semenza (neuroscientist) –
Carlo Semenza should be a
WP:Disambiguation page.
it:Carlo Semenza is about the dam builder and engineer (pls create
Carlo Semenza (engineer) while you're at it).
2003:C8:4714:600:20F2:9E65:D0A0:9181 (
talk) 05:42, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
OK, this is getting ridiculous. Now people who can't bother to write the correct name of Vajont Dam in the edit description ("Vajero dam") are editing in some WP:POV references to the catastrophe.
As the first landslides occured, especially after the Lago di Pontesei, Semenza ordered profound examinations of both the Dam (Prof Ghetti) and the geology of Monte Toc (Prof Müller, Dr Edouardo Semenza (his son)).
The model gave a maximum of the projected tidal wave of 20 metres (22 yd), leading to the Vajont Reservoir water level being lowered by 25 metres (27 yd).
Prof Müller had four boreholes made with Piezo sensors to monitor the water level. Unfortunately, three of them were simply not deep enough, so didn't report any unusual water levels; the fourth's (correct) reports always contradicted the other three's, and were ruled out as sensor errors, a very common problem and the reason to drill four boreholes at all.
Hindsight now shows that
There are numbers of the correct volume of the landslide somewhere in the Vajont Dam articles. Without much verification (that I cannot do), it stands to reason that had the dam broken like Malpasset Dam four years earlier, all of this could have crushed Longarone. As it is - and it is worse enough - only 1,983 reported fatalities and 1,300 missing from a population of 15-20,000 died. Now, please, imagine this wasn't a 200 metres (220 yd) tsunami, but one followed by a 50 million cubic metres (65×10 6 cu yd) mudslide.
There were lessons learned from Vajont Dam that weren't common practice before. However, I tend to credit Carlo Semenza's design to have prevented worse; and his precautions perfect SOTA of this time (which, unfortunately, was improved much - after and by the experience of Italian: Frana del Diga del Vajont.
So I would very much appreciate it to stop scapegoading the disaster to Semenza, who was already 2 years dead when the disaster occured. Second Story is that the advancement level of science and lacking hindsight made it impossible to predict the extend of the Monte Toc landslide. A blameless Post-Mortem here, as always, leads to a freak accident like that not repeating itself since. It is ludicrous to think Semenza, or Biadene, or SADE or ENEL would have seen the disaster as a risk even remotely acceptable. -- 2003:C8:4714:600:D8AF:2E46:B4F9:486E ( talk) 21:38, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: Moved. Carlo Semenza to become DAB page. ( non-admin closure) Vpab15 ( talk) 15:38, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Carlo Semenza →
Carlo Semenza (neuroscientist) –
Carlo Semenza should be a
WP:Disambiguation page.
it:Carlo Semenza is about the dam builder and engineer (pls create
Carlo Semenza (engineer) while you're at it).
2003:C8:4714:600:20F2:9E65:D0A0:9181 (
talk) 05:42, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
OK, this is getting ridiculous. Now people who can't bother to write the correct name of Vajont Dam in the edit description ("Vajero dam") are editing in some WP:POV references to the catastrophe.
As the first landslides occured, especially after the Lago di Pontesei, Semenza ordered profound examinations of both the Dam (Prof Ghetti) and the geology of Monte Toc (Prof Müller, Dr Edouardo Semenza (his son)).
The model gave a maximum of the projected tidal wave of 20 metres (22 yd), leading to the Vajont Reservoir water level being lowered by 25 metres (27 yd).
Prof Müller had four boreholes made with Piezo sensors to monitor the water level. Unfortunately, three of them were simply not deep enough, so didn't report any unusual water levels; the fourth's (correct) reports always contradicted the other three's, and were ruled out as sensor errors, a very common problem and the reason to drill four boreholes at all.
Hindsight now shows that
There are numbers of the correct volume of the landslide somewhere in the Vajont Dam articles. Without much verification (that I cannot do), it stands to reason that had the dam broken like Malpasset Dam four years earlier, all of this could have crushed Longarone. As it is - and it is worse enough - only 1,983 reported fatalities and 1,300 missing from a population of 15-20,000 died. Now, please, imagine this wasn't a 200 metres (220 yd) tsunami, but one followed by a 50 million cubic metres (65×10 6 cu yd) mudslide.
There were lessons learned from Vajont Dam that weren't common practice before. However, I tend to credit Carlo Semenza's design to have prevented worse; and his precautions perfect SOTA of this time (which, unfortunately, was improved much - after and by the experience of Italian: Frana del Diga del Vajont.
So I would very much appreciate it to stop scapegoading the disaster to Semenza, who was already 2 years dead when the disaster occured. Second Story is that the advancement level of science and lacking hindsight made it impossible to predict the extend of the Monte Toc landslide. A blameless Post-Mortem here, as always, leads to a freak accident like that not repeating itself since. It is ludicrous to think Semenza, or Biadene, or SADE or ENEL would have seen the disaster as a risk even remotely acceptable. -- 2003:C8:4714:600:D8AF:2E46:B4F9:486E ( talk) 21:38, 10 January 2021 (UTC)