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I think the sentence Soon after the industrial revolution, the town became one of the industrial centres of the Czech Republic does not make sense; there was no Czech Republic "soon after the industrial revolution". I changed "Czech Republic"
to "Moravia", but perhaps The town is now (and has ben since the industrial revolution) an industrial center of the Czech Republic would be more accurate?
Aleph4 23:50, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
As far as I know, Gregor Mendel, the father of genetics, lived and worked (if being a munk can be called work) in Brno. Alas my knowledge is very limited about this, but I think it should be mentioned in the article. There is also a Mendel museum somewhere in town. Cheers. 195.190.143.254 07:21, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
There is also a line of Czech LMGs called Brno, I believe. Don't know much about Czech weapons, so would someone do it? ;)
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There is the Bren Gun - LMG designed in BRno and manufactured in ENfield Obda 10:25, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Well, looks like the "Etymology" section just underwent a major edit. Sadly, and typically (this is my major complaint with Wikipedia), there is no source information given for the change. Is there someone out there who really knows what's up with the etymology of Brno? Does anyone know of sources for either of the opinions that have been part of this article?
Just quickly, my small knowledge of Russian and Czech tells me "brn" has little to do with the words for "clay" in either of those Slavic languages. Just an observation, though, as I don't really know the answer.
John 20:35, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
So, I read what Wikipedia has to say on this guy and I'm still confused as to how he relates to Brno. Can someone enlighten me?
John 17:56, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
I got rid of the links to educational institutions. I figured they're not really about Brno, but about the particular educational institutions they link to. They should be on pages about those institutions, not necessarily the city.
John 01:59, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
I disagree. Then links to the other institutions (e.g. museums, galleries) shouldn't be mentioned on this page, as well. The question is - everything or nothing?
Lennonka 22:25, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
Dear Wikipedia content reviewers, this period in history is obviously very emotional. In the interest of credibility sources need to be named and the Reference links need to work. Also there is no need to dispute the fact that both sides have done their crimes against humanity. The texts need to be factual and word s like "however" are not needed. This is an encyclopedia and not there is no room for bias, by content, sentence structure or misleading referencing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flavius70 ( talk • contribs) 07:44, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
Why can't you add what happened to the native German population in 1945-47?
J.P. wrote this: "After the war nothing was happen to Germans, what they don't deserve. All 500 years, which they spent in Brno, they used Czechs a Moravians as servants and thought of them as inferiror race". Just for your information.
Looks like someone's been trying to talk about the Germans in the post-WWII atmosphere lately. I guess I don't have a problem with this being in the article, if it really happened. Some of the stuff added to the article in the last few days has been highly POV, so I've deleted it. Here, then, are my requirements for the stuff on the Germans being kicked out: write it in a non-POV manner and cite things as it's written. Otherwise, keep it out until someone can write it correctly.
John 20:15, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
As of 06 August 07 the article claims that the German-speaking population of Brno was deported "according to law and order" in 1945. I think any reasonably neutral observer would take issue with that claim. Since I am no expert on the subject I made no change but flagged that that assertion is seriously contentious. Wikipedia is no place for nationalists - let's try to keep things sober, yeah? User: dmhaglund 12:23 UTC, 06 August 2007
I don't know anything about Brno, but surely the first part of the very first sentence of this item cannot be correct - i.e "Constructed entirely by Mr Mozart Mozart (son of Mozart Mozart) on an overnight trip on new year's eve 1857" Pontac 11:21, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Recent edits come from the source www.bruenn.org, but I would rather accept official sources like [2] and [3], first one is University of Brno and second official pages. Regarding the name - Google test (Brno: 36 500 000, Brünn: 1 200 000). Also the Moravia was not driven by a Holy Roman Empire which is a wrong historical term. Holy Roman Empire was an alliance of the catholic states based on the clerical principles and members one by one were completely sovereign. So it is not truth that Holy Roman Empire ruled Moravia. The city was also known as a Brinn, Brünn, Brunan or Brinnum depending on the spelling and used language [4], but using different name in different language should not be confused as an official name in these times. I would propose a compromise when articles about Germans would use Brünn (between 1620-1918) and about Czech Brno. Also building remaining today would not use Brünn but Brno. Brünn in the main article is mentioned in the topic's name and would not be used in the main article. Brünn would not be used after 1918 at all. Please discuss proposed compromise or/and add your comments. ≈Tulkolahten≈ ≈talk≈ 21:00, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
"Brunn" (The name of Brno before 1918)(it is mentioned as that in my 2 books(shown below; Quote "...both my Barnes and Noble Atlas of World History(circa 2006), and my Parragon Atlas of World History(circa 2005) show it as Brünn until the World War I era."
See also: the Wikisource 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica article on "Brünn"(below)
It was Brünn when it was ruled by the Holy Roman Empire, the Austrian Empire, and Austria-Hungary, it was officially Brünn until 1918, and well according to the Czech Republic article it was formed in the 9th century(801-900) and wasn't independent until 1918( WWI), and according to history, the first political entity it was ever a part of was in/as the Holy Roman Empire(circa 1050 AD), From 1477-1490 it was under the rule of Hungary for a short time, and the rest of its history it is under the Holy Roman Empire, Austrian Empire( Hapsburg Monarchy sort), and Austria-Hungary, and believe it or not but it was part of the Austrian Empire during the Napoleonic Era! I myself find it strange that foriegn occupation is the only history the Czech people had until 1918 when they finally formed their own nation, albeit at the obvious expense of Austria-Hungary and the German Empire.
Both my Barnes and Noble Atlas of World History(circa 2006), and my Parragon Atlas of World History(circa 2005) show it as "Brünn" until the World War I era(specifically until 1918, which makes sense, because Czechoslovakia became independent that year), and i have seen it on maps mentioned and linked -- Hrödberäht ( gespräch) 17:24, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
(If you don't understand English, he's calling HRE GERMANY. Hmm. WONDER WHY.) -- Hrödberäht ( gespräch) 19:55, 18 March 2007 (UTC)In his famous 1667 description De statu imperii Germanici, published under the alias Severinus de Monzambano, Samuel Pufendorf wrote: "Nihil ergo aliud restat, quam ut dicamus Germaniam esse irregulare aliquod corpus et monstro simile ..." ("We are therefore left with calling Germany a body that conforms to no rule and resembles a monster").
My Barnes and Noble Historical Atlas shows Warmia/Ermland as not connected to the rest of Royal Prussia. My other American Atlas shows Warsaw as Warschau in XIV century. So there. As far as Britannica, why don't you try some more recent edition? You'll be very surprised. Space Cadet 17:39, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Next time, READ EVERYTHING IN MY COMMENT -- Hrödberäht ( gespräch) 21:01, 18 March 2007 (UTC)...my Barnes and Noble Atlas of World History(circa 2006), and my Parragon Atlas of World History(circa 2005) show it as "Brünn" until the World War I era(specifically until 1918, which makes sense, because Czechoslovakia became independent that year)
I have an Atlas of Europe from 1891 and the name of city si "Brno", in encyclopedia from 1880 is Brno, but I'm sure, in German maps an encyclopedias it is called Brünn to this day. Honzula 23:08, 17 March 2007 (UTC) So the statement "it was officially Brünn until 1918" is not true - the Czech inhabitants called it Brno and German inhabitants called it Brünn. Now, the official name is Brno. -- Honzula 23:12, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Actually, you are incorrect, the Holy Roman Empire was Germany(see First Reich, German Empire), as its official name was Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation (example: Image:Europe_mainland_d1097.JPG) -- Hrödberäht ( gespräch)
Why do we dispute "Carlsbad vs. Karlovy Vary", "Brünn vs. Brno" etc.? The Netherlands were the part of Holy Roman Empire as well, Belgium even longer - why don't we dispute their German names, why only the places in Czech Republic must be written with they alternative German names? This article is in English, and the city of Brno is Czech-speaking. It makes sense to use the English name, if there is any English form; and it is essential to state that the official name is Brno. People who want to look for further information in Internet will need that name. But there is no reason to use the German, Italian, Russian or Greek name in English Wikipedia. The inclusion of the German form, even in the first place, might lead people to thinking that this name is today also official, and therefore useful for further research. But Brno is not German-speaking, neither has a German-speaking majority, nor uses German name as its official. Honzula 23:26, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
May be of topic: The name of German capital has Slavic origin, but I don't see in the article "Berlin" the original Slavic form, or the Czech form or even the Sorbian form, though the Sorbs are still living in Berlin and sorroundings! Honzula 23:36, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
This argument is ridiculous. For the past century or so, it has been known as Brno. There is no English name for the city. Formerly the German name was used, however that practice ended a significant time ago. Any respected modern source lists it as Brno. Most atlases use Czech names for EVERY city in Czechia (except for Prague usually). So, please, instead of arguing with sockpuppets and fools just continue improving the article. + Hexagon1 ( t) 02:15, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
I followed that track of deletions and reverted the edits, and resultingly I got blocked.Scurinæ:He did that almost with the speed and indifference of a bot (in one minute he managed four different articles at one point).
-- Hrödberäht ( gespräch) 21:09, 18 March 2007 (UTC)Scurinæ:In addition to that, in his name-deleting, Tulkolahten wrongly marked many such edits as "minor", accused R9tgokunks of renaming Czech cities in his AN/I report (when in reality it was him who changed the naming), labeling R9tgokunks's reverts of them as vandalism.
I followed that track of deletions and reverted the edits, and resultingly I got blocked.Scurinæ:He did that almost with the speed and indifference of a bot (in one minute he managed four different articles at one point).
Scurinæ:In addition to that, in his name-deleting, Tulkolahten wrongly marked many such edits as "minor", accused R9tgokunks of renaming Czech cities in his AN/I report (when in reality it was him who changed the naming), labeling R9tgokunks's reverts of them as vandalism.
-- Hrödberäht ( gespräch) 03:57, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
I've pulled my comment below out of "Recent edits" since it was skipped over by folks apparently wanting only to conduct personal attacks, and it was accordingly becoming lost in the muck. I'd like to offer it as a suggested NPOV resolution of the naming dispute. Askari Mark (Talk) 17:44, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I agree with Askari Mark's logic above. Considering that "Brünn" is frequently used in English text books when referring to the time period before the formation of Czechoslovakia, it makes sense to me that Brünn would at least be mentioned in the introduction (with WP:NC(GN) in mind). My suggested opening is "Brno ( German: Brünn, known also by other alternative names) is the second-largest city in the Czech Republic. It was founded in..." Olessi 04:03, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
I did not say that "Brünn" is a traditional "English" name like Prague or Warsaw; rather I specifically stated the counter. As Askari Mark and I have pointed out, "Brünn" is often used to refer to the city when it was under German control, which was a considerable amount of the city's history. It is used in reference to specific time periods, not to the current city, but it is used often enough in texts that it warrants inclusion in the introduction. While "Brunn" has been used in English, it would be odd to include it in the introduction when "Brünn" is used more. If "Brunn" was the standard English name (which it is not), the article should be at Brunn (which I am not advocating). Because of the city's multi-ethnic history and with WP:NC(GN) in mind, it makes sense to include Brünn in the introduction, instead of there being only a single mention of it in the entire article. Olessi 22:04, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Concerning current usage in the English language:
While the article in the 1911
Encyclopedia Britannica started with BRÜNN (Czech Brno)..., the article in the current EB starts with Brno, German Brünn, ...
The index distinguishes "Brünn - see Brno" and "Brunn" (a town in Austria).
Looking at examples of three famous people connected with this city before 1918, I find that according to the current EB,
So it seems that the current EB does use the name Brünn when the context suggest this -- in particular when talking about its German-speaking inhabitants. But EB is not 100% consistent in always pointing out the current name of the city.
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Aleph-4 23:50, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
(Apologies in advance for my ignorance of Wiki etiquette and inability to use the Wikipedia formatting language. I've never contributed before and doubt I will again, so I hesitate to invest time in such learning; please forgive me.)
Although my very limited knowledge of Wikipedia rules suggests that the reference to "Czech Manchester" ("Český Manchester") has no place in Wikipedia at all, because it's not sourced, it is in any case slightly disputable. First off, amusingly, multiple towns claim to have received this nickname, see:
http://cestovani.atlas.cz/clanek.aspx?rubrika=356&clanek=110707 -- hands this title to Dvůr Králové nad Labem
http://www.vyletnik.cz/kalendar/2007/4/21/stredni-cechy/ -- hands it instead to Kolín
www.zahradkari.cz/czs/ur/ur405.htm -- this time, let's hand it to Liberec!
extranet.kr-vysocina.cz/turista/index.php?sekce=6&jazyk=&obec=732 -- and now Humpolec!
But actually, the reason why I jumped into the fray in the first place was my urge to say "No! It's not *Czech* Manchester, but rather *Moravian* Manchester!" That, you see, is the phrase I've always heard used. Sadly, Google does not really seem to agree with me: "Czech Manchester" gets many times as many hits as "Moravian Manchester," and it seems to predominate even after you filter out all the *other* Czech Manchesters. The Czech Wikipedia, however, does somewhat agree with my memory, stating:
"Due to its dominant textile industry, Brno began to be termed the Austrian (or as appropriate Moravian or Czech) Manchester."
(I must say, though, that while "Austrian Manchester" is the most accurate of the three, I've never heard it and can't even imagine having heard it... due to modern Czech anti-Germanic sentiment if nothing else. :-) )
In any case, note how the cited sentence from the Czech version places part of the causality upon the fact that the *textile* industry, not just industry overall, was dominant. That's been in the background of every citing of the "Moravian Manchester" phrase I've heard, and I believe that, if a source to cite can be found, it belongs in the English version as well.
Well, enough belaboring a point. Hopefully I'm signing correctly below... Erik Piper 217.198.112.101 13:07, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
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The "Brno today" section was clunky so I was bold and decided to clean it up a bit. I mainly deleted things like the extensive history of one of the bullets and superfluous things like "BRNO COULD BE THE OTHER CAPITAL OF PRAGUE BUT THE CONSTITUTION WON'T LET IT". (I think the entire section looks really stupid in bullets anyway, but I won't get into that.) Cheers 90.178.52.11 ( talk) 14:59, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
New foundings say that Brno is around 1000 years older than till now thought.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/0,1518,720513,00.html
Look at Eburodunum! Ptolemy already mapped it 200 AD. And the same holds true for many more towns and early cities...history will have to be rewritten alot in this region! :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.222.216.217 ( talk) 20:00, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
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There is scarcely anything about the history of Brno between 1948 and 2013 on the page. I have just added a short mention of the visit of Pope Benedict XVI in 2009. More personalities from abroad came to Brno during those 65 years, including Queen Elizabeth. And a lot of other events took part, of course. -- Zbrnajsem ( talk) 16:48, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
Could we get an English guide to the pronunciation, please? "burno"? "bruno"? "bruhno"? Others? The Czech pronunciation is useless. Red Slash 01:25, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
Pronunciation is "Burno" but I came here to find any evidence of an Anglicized name. In London multiple times I hear reference (even in written form) for "Bruno" which seems ridiculous to me since the correct pronunciation is so easy. Source: Ryanair ground staff, Ryanair cabin crew, one British office lady. 46.208.183.37 ( talk) 09:59, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
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The Name BRNO is Not written or translated into the English Language! And it never will be an English Name, because the language has RULES! . English uses a unique system called VOWELS!!! that it places between consonants so you know if the name is pronounced 'Borono' or 'Birino' 209.121.43.211 ( talk) 15:45, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
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I think the sentence Soon after the industrial revolution, the town became one of the industrial centres of the Czech Republic does not make sense; there was no Czech Republic "soon after the industrial revolution". I changed "Czech Republic"
to "Moravia", but perhaps The town is now (and has ben since the industrial revolution) an industrial center of the Czech Republic would be more accurate?
Aleph4 23:50, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
As far as I know, Gregor Mendel, the father of genetics, lived and worked (if being a munk can be called work) in Brno. Alas my knowledge is very limited about this, but I think it should be mentioned in the article. There is also a Mendel museum somewhere in town. Cheers. 195.190.143.254 07:21, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
There is also a line of Czech LMGs called Brno, I believe. Don't know much about Czech weapons, so would someone do it? ;)
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There is the Bren Gun - LMG designed in BRno and manufactured in ENfield Obda 10:25, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Well, looks like the "Etymology" section just underwent a major edit. Sadly, and typically (this is my major complaint with Wikipedia), there is no source information given for the change. Is there someone out there who really knows what's up with the etymology of Brno? Does anyone know of sources for either of the opinions that have been part of this article?
Just quickly, my small knowledge of Russian and Czech tells me "brn" has little to do with the words for "clay" in either of those Slavic languages. Just an observation, though, as I don't really know the answer.
John 20:35, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
So, I read what Wikipedia has to say on this guy and I'm still confused as to how he relates to Brno. Can someone enlighten me?
John 17:56, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
I got rid of the links to educational institutions. I figured they're not really about Brno, but about the particular educational institutions they link to. They should be on pages about those institutions, not necessarily the city.
John 01:59, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
I disagree. Then links to the other institutions (e.g. museums, galleries) shouldn't be mentioned on this page, as well. The question is - everything or nothing?
Lennonka 22:25, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
Dear Wikipedia content reviewers, this period in history is obviously very emotional. In the interest of credibility sources need to be named and the Reference links need to work. Also there is no need to dispute the fact that both sides have done their crimes against humanity. The texts need to be factual and word s like "however" are not needed. This is an encyclopedia and not there is no room for bias, by content, sentence structure or misleading referencing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flavius70 ( talk • contribs) 07:44, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
Why can't you add what happened to the native German population in 1945-47?
J.P. wrote this: "After the war nothing was happen to Germans, what they don't deserve. All 500 years, which they spent in Brno, they used Czechs a Moravians as servants and thought of them as inferiror race". Just for your information.
Looks like someone's been trying to talk about the Germans in the post-WWII atmosphere lately. I guess I don't have a problem with this being in the article, if it really happened. Some of the stuff added to the article in the last few days has been highly POV, so I've deleted it. Here, then, are my requirements for the stuff on the Germans being kicked out: write it in a non-POV manner and cite things as it's written. Otherwise, keep it out until someone can write it correctly.
John 20:15, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
As of 06 August 07 the article claims that the German-speaking population of Brno was deported "according to law and order" in 1945. I think any reasonably neutral observer would take issue with that claim. Since I am no expert on the subject I made no change but flagged that that assertion is seriously contentious. Wikipedia is no place for nationalists - let's try to keep things sober, yeah? User: dmhaglund 12:23 UTC, 06 August 2007
I don't know anything about Brno, but surely the first part of the very first sentence of this item cannot be correct - i.e "Constructed entirely by Mr Mozart Mozart (son of Mozart Mozart) on an overnight trip on new year's eve 1857" Pontac 11:21, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Recent edits come from the source www.bruenn.org, but I would rather accept official sources like [2] and [3], first one is University of Brno and second official pages. Regarding the name - Google test (Brno: 36 500 000, Brünn: 1 200 000). Also the Moravia was not driven by a Holy Roman Empire which is a wrong historical term. Holy Roman Empire was an alliance of the catholic states based on the clerical principles and members one by one were completely sovereign. So it is not truth that Holy Roman Empire ruled Moravia. The city was also known as a Brinn, Brünn, Brunan or Brinnum depending on the spelling and used language [4], but using different name in different language should not be confused as an official name in these times. I would propose a compromise when articles about Germans would use Brünn (between 1620-1918) and about Czech Brno. Also building remaining today would not use Brünn but Brno. Brünn in the main article is mentioned in the topic's name and would not be used in the main article. Brünn would not be used after 1918 at all. Please discuss proposed compromise or/and add your comments. ≈Tulkolahten≈ ≈talk≈ 21:00, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
"Brunn" (The name of Brno before 1918)(it is mentioned as that in my 2 books(shown below; Quote "...both my Barnes and Noble Atlas of World History(circa 2006), and my Parragon Atlas of World History(circa 2005) show it as Brünn until the World War I era."
See also: the Wikisource 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica article on "Brünn"(below)
It was Brünn when it was ruled by the Holy Roman Empire, the Austrian Empire, and Austria-Hungary, it was officially Brünn until 1918, and well according to the Czech Republic article it was formed in the 9th century(801-900) and wasn't independent until 1918( WWI), and according to history, the first political entity it was ever a part of was in/as the Holy Roman Empire(circa 1050 AD), From 1477-1490 it was under the rule of Hungary for a short time, and the rest of its history it is under the Holy Roman Empire, Austrian Empire( Hapsburg Monarchy sort), and Austria-Hungary, and believe it or not but it was part of the Austrian Empire during the Napoleonic Era! I myself find it strange that foriegn occupation is the only history the Czech people had until 1918 when they finally formed their own nation, albeit at the obvious expense of Austria-Hungary and the German Empire.
Both my Barnes and Noble Atlas of World History(circa 2006), and my Parragon Atlas of World History(circa 2005) show it as "Brünn" until the World War I era(specifically until 1918, which makes sense, because Czechoslovakia became independent that year), and i have seen it on maps mentioned and linked -- Hrödberäht ( gespräch) 17:24, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
(If you don't understand English, he's calling HRE GERMANY. Hmm. WONDER WHY.) -- Hrödberäht ( gespräch) 19:55, 18 March 2007 (UTC)In his famous 1667 description De statu imperii Germanici, published under the alias Severinus de Monzambano, Samuel Pufendorf wrote: "Nihil ergo aliud restat, quam ut dicamus Germaniam esse irregulare aliquod corpus et monstro simile ..." ("We are therefore left with calling Germany a body that conforms to no rule and resembles a monster").
My Barnes and Noble Historical Atlas shows Warmia/Ermland as not connected to the rest of Royal Prussia. My other American Atlas shows Warsaw as Warschau in XIV century. So there. As far as Britannica, why don't you try some more recent edition? You'll be very surprised. Space Cadet 17:39, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Next time, READ EVERYTHING IN MY COMMENT -- Hrödberäht ( gespräch) 21:01, 18 March 2007 (UTC)...my Barnes and Noble Atlas of World History(circa 2006), and my Parragon Atlas of World History(circa 2005) show it as "Brünn" until the World War I era(specifically until 1918, which makes sense, because Czechoslovakia became independent that year)
I have an Atlas of Europe from 1891 and the name of city si "Brno", in encyclopedia from 1880 is Brno, but I'm sure, in German maps an encyclopedias it is called Brünn to this day. Honzula 23:08, 17 March 2007 (UTC) So the statement "it was officially Brünn until 1918" is not true - the Czech inhabitants called it Brno and German inhabitants called it Brünn. Now, the official name is Brno. -- Honzula 23:12, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Actually, you are incorrect, the Holy Roman Empire was Germany(see First Reich, German Empire), as its official name was Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation (example: Image:Europe_mainland_d1097.JPG) -- Hrödberäht ( gespräch)
Why do we dispute "Carlsbad vs. Karlovy Vary", "Brünn vs. Brno" etc.? The Netherlands were the part of Holy Roman Empire as well, Belgium even longer - why don't we dispute their German names, why only the places in Czech Republic must be written with they alternative German names? This article is in English, and the city of Brno is Czech-speaking. It makes sense to use the English name, if there is any English form; and it is essential to state that the official name is Brno. People who want to look for further information in Internet will need that name. But there is no reason to use the German, Italian, Russian or Greek name in English Wikipedia. The inclusion of the German form, even in the first place, might lead people to thinking that this name is today also official, and therefore useful for further research. But Brno is not German-speaking, neither has a German-speaking majority, nor uses German name as its official. Honzula 23:26, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
May be of topic: The name of German capital has Slavic origin, but I don't see in the article "Berlin" the original Slavic form, or the Czech form or even the Sorbian form, though the Sorbs are still living in Berlin and sorroundings! Honzula 23:36, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
This argument is ridiculous. For the past century or so, it has been known as Brno. There is no English name for the city. Formerly the German name was used, however that practice ended a significant time ago. Any respected modern source lists it as Brno. Most atlases use Czech names for EVERY city in Czechia (except for Prague usually). So, please, instead of arguing with sockpuppets and fools just continue improving the article. + Hexagon1 ( t) 02:15, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
I followed that track of deletions and reverted the edits, and resultingly I got blocked.Scurinæ:He did that almost with the speed and indifference of a bot (in one minute he managed four different articles at one point).
-- Hrödberäht ( gespräch) 21:09, 18 March 2007 (UTC)Scurinæ:In addition to that, in his name-deleting, Tulkolahten wrongly marked many such edits as "minor", accused R9tgokunks of renaming Czech cities in his AN/I report (when in reality it was him who changed the naming), labeling R9tgokunks's reverts of them as vandalism.
I followed that track of deletions and reverted the edits, and resultingly I got blocked.Scurinæ:He did that almost with the speed and indifference of a bot (in one minute he managed four different articles at one point).
Scurinæ:In addition to that, in his name-deleting, Tulkolahten wrongly marked many such edits as "minor", accused R9tgokunks of renaming Czech cities in his AN/I report (when in reality it was him who changed the naming), labeling R9tgokunks's reverts of them as vandalism.
-- Hrödberäht ( gespräch) 03:57, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
I've pulled my comment below out of "Recent edits" since it was skipped over by folks apparently wanting only to conduct personal attacks, and it was accordingly becoming lost in the muck. I'd like to offer it as a suggested NPOV resolution of the naming dispute. Askari Mark (Talk) 17:44, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I agree with Askari Mark's logic above. Considering that "Brünn" is frequently used in English text books when referring to the time period before the formation of Czechoslovakia, it makes sense to me that Brünn would at least be mentioned in the introduction (with WP:NC(GN) in mind). My suggested opening is "Brno ( German: Brünn, known also by other alternative names) is the second-largest city in the Czech Republic. It was founded in..." Olessi 04:03, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
I did not say that "Brünn" is a traditional "English" name like Prague or Warsaw; rather I specifically stated the counter. As Askari Mark and I have pointed out, "Brünn" is often used to refer to the city when it was under German control, which was a considerable amount of the city's history. It is used in reference to specific time periods, not to the current city, but it is used often enough in texts that it warrants inclusion in the introduction. While "Brunn" has been used in English, it would be odd to include it in the introduction when "Brünn" is used more. If "Brunn" was the standard English name (which it is not), the article should be at Brunn (which I am not advocating). Because of the city's multi-ethnic history and with WP:NC(GN) in mind, it makes sense to include Brünn in the introduction, instead of there being only a single mention of it in the entire article. Olessi 22:04, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Concerning current usage in the English language:
While the article in the 1911
Encyclopedia Britannica started with BRÜNN (Czech Brno)..., the article in the current EB starts with Brno, German Brünn, ...
The index distinguishes "Brünn - see Brno" and "Brunn" (a town in Austria).
Looking at examples of three famous people connected with this city before 1918, I find that according to the current EB,
So it seems that the current EB does use the name Brünn when the context suggest this -- in particular when talking about its German-speaking inhabitants. But EB is not 100% consistent in always pointing out the current name of the city.
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Aleph-4 23:50, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
(Apologies in advance for my ignorance of Wiki etiquette and inability to use the Wikipedia formatting language. I've never contributed before and doubt I will again, so I hesitate to invest time in such learning; please forgive me.)
Although my very limited knowledge of Wikipedia rules suggests that the reference to "Czech Manchester" ("Český Manchester") has no place in Wikipedia at all, because it's not sourced, it is in any case slightly disputable. First off, amusingly, multiple towns claim to have received this nickname, see:
http://cestovani.atlas.cz/clanek.aspx?rubrika=356&clanek=110707 -- hands this title to Dvůr Králové nad Labem
http://www.vyletnik.cz/kalendar/2007/4/21/stredni-cechy/ -- hands it instead to Kolín
www.zahradkari.cz/czs/ur/ur405.htm -- this time, let's hand it to Liberec!
extranet.kr-vysocina.cz/turista/index.php?sekce=6&jazyk=&obec=732 -- and now Humpolec!
But actually, the reason why I jumped into the fray in the first place was my urge to say "No! It's not *Czech* Manchester, but rather *Moravian* Manchester!" That, you see, is the phrase I've always heard used. Sadly, Google does not really seem to agree with me: "Czech Manchester" gets many times as many hits as "Moravian Manchester," and it seems to predominate even after you filter out all the *other* Czech Manchesters. The Czech Wikipedia, however, does somewhat agree with my memory, stating:
"Due to its dominant textile industry, Brno began to be termed the Austrian (or as appropriate Moravian or Czech) Manchester."
(I must say, though, that while "Austrian Manchester" is the most accurate of the three, I've never heard it and can't even imagine having heard it... due to modern Czech anti-Germanic sentiment if nothing else. :-) )
In any case, note how the cited sentence from the Czech version places part of the causality upon the fact that the *textile* industry, not just industry overall, was dominant. That's been in the background of every citing of the "Moravian Manchester" phrase I've heard, and I believe that, if a source to cite can be found, it belongs in the English version as well.
Well, enough belaboring a point. Hopefully I'm signing correctly below... Erik Piper 217.198.112.101 13:07, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
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The "Brno today" section was clunky so I was bold and decided to clean it up a bit. I mainly deleted things like the extensive history of one of the bullets and superfluous things like "BRNO COULD BE THE OTHER CAPITAL OF PRAGUE BUT THE CONSTITUTION WON'T LET IT". (I think the entire section looks really stupid in bullets anyway, but I won't get into that.) Cheers 90.178.52.11 ( talk) 14:59, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
New foundings say that Brno is around 1000 years older than till now thought.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/0,1518,720513,00.html
Look at Eburodunum! Ptolemy already mapped it 200 AD. And the same holds true for many more towns and early cities...history will have to be rewritten alot in this region! :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.222.216.217 ( talk) 20:00, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
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There is scarcely anything about the history of Brno between 1948 and 2013 on the page. I have just added a short mention of the visit of Pope Benedict XVI in 2009. More personalities from abroad came to Brno during those 65 years, including Queen Elizabeth. And a lot of other events took part, of course. -- Zbrnajsem ( talk) 16:48, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
Could we get an English guide to the pronunciation, please? "burno"? "bruno"? "bruhno"? Others? The Czech pronunciation is useless. Red Slash 01:25, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
Pronunciation is "Burno" but I came here to find any evidence of an Anglicized name. In London multiple times I hear reference (even in written form) for "Bruno" which seems ridiculous to me since the correct pronunciation is so easy. Source: Ryanair ground staff, Ryanair cabin crew, one British office lady. 46.208.183.37 ( talk) 09:59, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
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