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Sorry, but where is the evidence or attestation that the Brigantes were Celts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.208.75.178 ( talk) 06:54, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
It is possible that one of the purposes of Hadrian's Wall (begun in 122) was to keep the Brigantes from making discourse with the tribes in what is now the lowlands of Scotland on the other side. SOURCE? You can literally write anything if you state it is possible...don't we need evidence to back such a claim? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.25.12.49 ( talk) 21:45, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
I've removed the reference to "Brigand" being possibly derived from the Brigantes. Dictionary.com derives it from "Old Italian brigante, skirmisher, from present participle of brigare, to fight". The Concise Oxford gives the same derivation. -- Nicknack009 11:52, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
The Celts were known for FIGHTING... 'Brigand' is a derogatory RACIAL SLUR just like the Germanic equivalent "Vandal", as well as "Gothic Architecture" (a reference to Gothic Architecture being as ugly as the burned out buildings the ancient evil evil Goths left behind in Byzantium & Rome, "Barbarian Architecture"). Brigand, Vandal, and Gothic are all racially derived slurs and epithets. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.143.68.244 ( talk • contribs) 01:20, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
I saw this think regarding to the word Brigante too [1] and still seems to be in regular use in the Italian language, the description seems very similar to the reputation the tribe has as a fighting nation and perhaps it could be connected to fighting against the surrounding tribes and then the Romans? I think there should be a section about the name and its possibile connections. - Yorkshirian ( talk) 07:01, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
All of the toponyms mentioned in this article or in the article about Brigantia have nothing to do with this Celtic godess, but rather their names reffer to the type of terrain they are/were located on. The Indoeuropean root of this "BRIG" denotes 1) a 'slope' (of a hill or a mountain; compare German 'Berg' = mountain, Slovene 'breg' = slope etc.) or 2) 'a bank', 'a coast' (of a river, lake, sea; compare Russian 'bereg' = bank, South-Slavic 'breg' or 'brijeg' = bank, Irish 'bruach' = bank, etc). In short - it denotes a certain type of 'higher ground'.
and so on and so on.
There are numerous such toponyms - ancient and modern - all over Europe, and - it seems - especially in Slavic lands. They absolutely cannot have anything to do with any Celtic godess, since many are found in areas that were never inhabited by Celts (in Poland or Ukraine, for example).
Here is a short list of a few such modern toponyms from my country (Slovenia) only:
( http://sl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seznam_naselij_v_Sloveniji_%28dolgi_seznam%29)
Compare these names with the Austrian city of Bregenz (ancient Brigantium). All of them can be found either on slopes of hills, mountains etc. or on banks of rivers, streams etc. There are many more similar micro toponyms, known only to local population, and hundreds more in other countries.
From this BRIG comes also the English word bridge - a structure built between two "brigs" (banks) of a river. Compare also German 'Brück' (bridge) and Old Norse 'briggja' (jetty)
Considering that the inscription from Irthington, Yorkshire, says: "divine nymph Brigantia" and taking into acount that "Nymphs live in mountains and groves, by springs and rivers..." ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nymph), it should be concluded that this locally worshipped nymph recieved her name from the same word BRIG. This, however, does not mean that the toponyms mentioned in both articles came from the name of this Celtic godess. Places were never originally named after gods or godesses, always after the features of the surrounding terrain or the socioeconomical function of the settlement. The tribal name Brigantes probably simply means 'mountain/hill people', while Brigantii of the eastern Alps were 'the people living on banks of Lake Constance'. 193.77.172.48 18:54, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
I am removing the {{ WikiProject Ireland}} tag as there is no substantial evidence presented of a relationship to Ireland other than a cursory mention. ww2censor 03:02, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
A petty point really but there is linguistic evidence that the Fir Domnann were related to the Dumnonii of the southwest- meaning the Briganti were unlikely to be the only Brythonic people in Ireland —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.155.130.130 ( talk) 19:40, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
Where did the names and locations of the sub-tribes or pagi come from? --- G. T. N. —Preceding comment was added at 02:29, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
That Cartimandua picture is misleading. It looks like something from the Ottoman Empire as imagined by a 19th Century Romantic and the demure lady depicted is wearing nothing like the clothing of a woman from the Iron Age Celtic nobility. Would anyone object if it were simply removed? Paul S ( talk) 19:20, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
User:Rheton, none of the material you keep posting has anything to do with the Brigantes. Please stop it. -- Nicknack009 ( talk) 22:06, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
Nicknack009: Etymology explains meaning and origin of words and names. Connection of mine and others explanation is evident, so it has strong relation to Brigantes name and instead of just quotations, explains it much clearly. Also it is linked to IE base, which is mentioned in the article. Please be cooperative and take it as enrichment. Rheton ( talk) 22:10, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
I have marked the following two paragraphs as dubious:
I propose, if the consensus agrees with me, to remove the first of these two paragraphs in its entirety. The paragraph about environmental conditions is probably salvageable, but needs attention and better sourcing. -- Nicknack009 ( talk) 16:36, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
WP Ethnic groups is for "ethnic groups, nationalities, and other cultural identities"; a tribe or tribal confederation seems to me to consist of people with a cultural identity.-- Johnsoniensis ( talk) 19:29, 15 September 2014 (UTC) P.S. Many Germanic and Celtic tribes have been included in WP Ethnic groups, e.g. Talk:Arevaci.-- Johnsoniensis ( talk) 16:38, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
The opening sentence (which links to the article on the English Midlands) makes no geographic sense:
The North of England and the English Midlands are by their very definition not the same place. The map in the infobox certainly shows the tribe's area to be almost exclusively in the North. Apart from the northern part of Nottinghamshire, the shaded area does not extend into the Midlands at all.
I don't want to edit the article myself, as I do not know what areas this tribe actually inhabited and do not wish to compound the error. However, the information as presented cannot be correct - the North of England is not a significant part of the English Midlands! I would suggest it needs to read either "... Northern England and a significant part of the Midlands." (NB - this is not at all what the Brigantes map shows!), or just "...Northern England." P M C 09:15, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
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THe sourcing of various Roman cities called Brigantium (and their modern names) is insufficient. Some of the sources are just unreliable websites and others do not make an explicit connection to the celtic tribes or celtic language.-- Kmhkmh ( talk) 10:06, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
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Sorry, but where is the evidence or attestation that the Brigantes were Celts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.208.75.178 ( talk) 06:54, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
It is possible that one of the purposes of Hadrian's Wall (begun in 122) was to keep the Brigantes from making discourse with the tribes in what is now the lowlands of Scotland on the other side. SOURCE? You can literally write anything if you state it is possible...don't we need evidence to back such a claim? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.25.12.49 ( talk) 21:45, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
I've removed the reference to "Brigand" being possibly derived from the Brigantes. Dictionary.com derives it from "Old Italian brigante, skirmisher, from present participle of brigare, to fight". The Concise Oxford gives the same derivation. -- Nicknack009 11:52, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
The Celts were known for FIGHTING... 'Brigand' is a derogatory RACIAL SLUR just like the Germanic equivalent "Vandal", as well as "Gothic Architecture" (a reference to Gothic Architecture being as ugly as the burned out buildings the ancient evil evil Goths left behind in Byzantium & Rome, "Barbarian Architecture"). Brigand, Vandal, and Gothic are all racially derived slurs and epithets. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.143.68.244 ( talk • contribs) 01:20, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
I saw this think regarding to the word Brigante too [1] and still seems to be in regular use in the Italian language, the description seems very similar to the reputation the tribe has as a fighting nation and perhaps it could be connected to fighting against the surrounding tribes and then the Romans? I think there should be a section about the name and its possibile connections. - Yorkshirian ( talk) 07:01, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
All of the toponyms mentioned in this article or in the article about Brigantia have nothing to do with this Celtic godess, but rather their names reffer to the type of terrain they are/were located on. The Indoeuropean root of this "BRIG" denotes 1) a 'slope' (of a hill or a mountain; compare German 'Berg' = mountain, Slovene 'breg' = slope etc.) or 2) 'a bank', 'a coast' (of a river, lake, sea; compare Russian 'bereg' = bank, South-Slavic 'breg' or 'brijeg' = bank, Irish 'bruach' = bank, etc). In short - it denotes a certain type of 'higher ground'.
and so on and so on.
There are numerous such toponyms - ancient and modern - all over Europe, and - it seems - especially in Slavic lands. They absolutely cannot have anything to do with any Celtic godess, since many are found in areas that were never inhabited by Celts (in Poland or Ukraine, for example).
Here is a short list of a few such modern toponyms from my country (Slovenia) only:
( http://sl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seznam_naselij_v_Sloveniji_%28dolgi_seznam%29)
Compare these names with the Austrian city of Bregenz (ancient Brigantium). All of them can be found either on slopes of hills, mountains etc. or on banks of rivers, streams etc. There are many more similar micro toponyms, known only to local population, and hundreds more in other countries.
From this BRIG comes also the English word bridge - a structure built between two "brigs" (banks) of a river. Compare also German 'Brück' (bridge) and Old Norse 'briggja' (jetty)
Considering that the inscription from Irthington, Yorkshire, says: "divine nymph Brigantia" and taking into acount that "Nymphs live in mountains and groves, by springs and rivers..." ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nymph), it should be concluded that this locally worshipped nymph recieved her name from the same word BRIG. This, however, does not mean that the toponyms mentioned in both articles came from the name of this Celtic godess. Places were never originally named after gods or godesses, always after the features of the surrounding terrain or the socioeconomical function of the settlement. The tribal name Brigantes probably simply means 'mountain/hill people', while Brigantii of the eastern Alps were 'the people living on banks of Lake Constance'. 193.77.172.48 18:54, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
I am removing the {{ WikiProject Ireland}} tag as there is no substantial evidence presented of a relationship to Ireland other than a cursory mention. ww2censor 03:02, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
A petty point really but there is linguistic evidence that the Fir Domnann were related to the Dumnonii of the southwest- meaning the Briganti were unlikely to be the only Brythonic people in Ireland —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.155.130.130 ( talk) 19:40, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
Where did the names and locations of the sub-tribes or pagi come from? --- G. T. N. —Preceding comment was added at 02:29, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
That Cartimandua picture is misleading. It looks like something from the Ottoman Empire as imagined by a 19th Century Romantic and the demure lady depicted is wearing nothing like the clothing of a woman from the Iron Age Celtic nobility. Would anyone object if it were simply removed? Paul S ( talk) 19:20, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
User:Rheton, none of the material you keep posting has anything to do with the Brigantes. Please stop it. -- Nicknack009 ( talk) 22:06, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
Nicknack009: Etymology explains meaning and origin of words and names. Connection of mine and others explanation is evident, so it has strong relation to Brigantes name and instead of just quotations, explains it much clearly. Also it is linked to IE base, which is mentioned in the article. Please be cooperative and take it as enrichment. Rheton ( talk) 22:10, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
I have marked the following two paragraphs as dubious:
I propose, if the consensus agrees with me, to remove the first of these two paragraphs in its entirety. The paragraph about environmental conditions is probably salvageable, but needs attention and better sourcing. -- Nicknack009 ( talk) 16:36, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
WP Ethnic groups is for "ethnic groups, nationalities, and other cultural identities"; a tribe or tribal confederation seems to me to consist of people with a cultural identity.-- Johnsoniensis ( talk) 19:29, 15 September 2014 (UTC) P.S. Many Germanic and Celtic tribes have been included in WP Ethnic groups, e.g. Talk:Arevaci.-- Johnsoniensis ( talk) 16:38, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
The opening sentence (which links to the article on the English Midlands) makes no geographic sense:
The North of England and the English Midlands are by their very definition not the same place. The map in the infobox certainly shows the tribe's area to be almost exclusively in the North. Apart from the northern part of Nottinghamshire, the shaded area does not extend into the Midlands at all.
I don't want to edit the article myself, as I do not know what areas this tribe actually inhabited and do not wish to compound the error. However, the information as presented cannot be correct - the North of England is not a significant part of the English Midlands! I would suggest it needs to read either "... Northern England and a significant part of the Midlands." (NB - this is not at all what the Brigantes map shows!), or just "...Northern England." P M C 09:15, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
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THe sourcing of various Roman cities called Brigantium (and their modern names) is insufficient. Some of the sources are just unreliable websites and others do not make an explicit connection to the celtic tribes or celtic language.-- Kmhkmh ( talk) 10:06, 16 January 2021 (UTC)