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As a layman, I don't understand the usage of Edvard Munch's The Brooch. Eva Mudocci in the infobox, or the caption describing it as representing idealization. I don't see a significant connection between the image and idealization and I would question its usage in the article. At the least, the caption does not adequately describe what connection the image has to BPD. — Ruyter ( talk • edits) 20:42, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
Agreed, I think I understand what it's trying to say understanding the disorder but yeah, it needs to be rewritten /info/en/?search=User:EmilePersaud 03:39, 19 May 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by EmilePersaud ( talk • contribs)
I think that the change of the image, one that I feel better describes that Idealization far better than the image changed to, was completely unnecessary
I think the second image used whilst perhaps would be fine, if we didn't have the current image there, gives a wrong perception of BPD, black and white, could easily be a teenager's profile picture, vs. The reality of BPD as a whole with the man in the suit
Hopefully that is agreed upon, I make this post to reach out and gauge opinions, thank you /info/en/?search=User:EmilePersaud 03:21, 19 May 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by EmilePersaud ( talk • contribs)
You can merge my latest talk, I did not see this originally as active.
The person who says people with bpd will more identify with Jacobsons picture is absolutely correct and I can't agree with the new image change /info/en/?search=User:EmilePersaud 10:39, 2 June 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by EmilePersaud ( talk • contribs)
Let's not change the picture on the page because of personal identity with BPD, thanks /info/en/?search=User:EmilePersaud 10:44, 2 June 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by EmilePersaud ( talk • contribs)
There's a reference to "idealization and devaluation" which hinges upon the theories of psychoanalytic psychology, a field that isn't held in very high regard by most contemporary psychologists. I suggest we remove references to this concept in the article, as 'splitting behaviour' or black-and-white thinking already covers this concept. Chloehoey ( talk) 00:12, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
This study ( https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25710733/) on Borderline Personality Disorder (the full text of that study with the info can be found here: https://blogs.uw.edu/brtc/files/2015/03/Schilling-et-al.-2015-attributional-tunnel-vision-in-BPD.pdf) states that " 'egocentrism'—that is, an 'embeddedness in one’s own point of view'—was identified as another important feature." And because egocentrism is a core of Borderline (in addition to the unstable moods/emotions), and egocentrism is also the core for all other cluster B personality disorders, I think this should be mentioned in the article. ATC . Talk 23:19, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
I was looking at this article and noticed a picture of my arm with self harm scars and I have never given permission for this to be anywhere and I am not okay for it to be on wikipedia. If you could please remove it I would be grateful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.151.105.237 ( talk) 22:29, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
I agree with removing it. This photo puts undue weight on one aspect of BPD. CUA 27 ( talk) 12:16, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
Can we get another opinion from another editor? I also live with BPD and this could seriously trigger someone, especially if someone is recovering from self harm. Also what source is the photo from? — Preceding unsigned comment added by DNocterum ( talk • contribs) 12:12, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
The argument that someone with BPD would not be upset with the photo is meaningless. I don't have BPD and I find the image triggering and in poor taste. So much so that it made me question the quality of the rest of the article. It's just not necessary - most people understand what self-harm scars look like. 24.86.65.58 ( talk) 02:54, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
As someone who has BPD this image is largely upsetting. I don't want to remove it without permission but I know many people with and without BPD who would be very upset by this image. Having an image of self harm is not necessary for an article on the subject of BPD, I'm not sure why so many people are arguing to keep it. It's an unnecessary and upsetting addition. There is already a link in that section for people who somehow don't know what self harming is or want elaboration, an image isn't needed as well. Not to mention that is an actual person who's image is being spread of their self harm. You guys keep arguing about whether the person who started this topic was being truthful about it being them, but I don't think it matters honestly? There is no evidence that the individual gave permission for that photo to be used that I know of, and until that evidence shows up I think the image should be removed regardless. I will try to contact the uploader of the photo and see if I can get a more solid story about the photo, but my first point about it being an unnecessary addition still stands. Edit: Nevermind about contacting the uploader, I've just seen that the situation was sorted out at the beginning of the thread, my bad. I do still stand by my initial point though. Tarakonah ( talk) 19:18, 3 April 2021 (UTC)Tarakonah
Material that would be considered vulgar or obscene by typical Wikipedia readers... should be used if and only if its omission would cause the article to be less informative, relevant, or accurate, and no equally suitable alternative is available.
The fact this thread exists shows many viewers find the image vulgar or obscene. The image does not change the accuracy or relevancy of the article. The image also adds no information on BPD to the page, and any reader curious about self harm would click the linked article on self-harm, where the image in question is displayed at the top of the page. Even if you decide to disregard the wellbeing of others here, it's clear the image should still be removed as per Wikipedia guidelines. Cian Murphy ( talk) 15:39, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
There is a mention on „hoovering“ in the interpersonal relationships section, which I suggests to delete. I attempted research on the mentioned subject and was not able to find any other psychological, psychiatric or medical reports or articles on it. However the other forms of articles that refer to hoovering, mainly pseudo-psychological or counseling articles, define it as a form of emotional abuse. I’m not sure how adding a description of possible emotional abusive behavior within an individual with this disorder will help to a better understanding of the disorder. Especially considering hoovering is not an established psychological term and refers to emotionally abusive behavior. The principle of good faith does not apply, in this case describing emotionally abusive behavior, when there is no link to the disorder except a mention in a counseling book, is simply malicious. Emotional abuse in general is not linked to this disorder, and hoovering should not be associated with the disorder at all, as not every individual will exhibit that type of behavior. Just like any other form of emotional abuse is not mentioned in the article, hoovering should not be removed as well, as there is barely any sources on it. Attributing emotionally abuse behavior to a disorder is stigmatizing and hence malicious. Also to be noted is that, besides the fact there are no psychiatric reports on this whatsoever, a google search reveals that this type of behavior is often linked to NPD by the general public that is concerned with this term, the general public of course is not the professional medical fied. However there is no mention of hoovering on the NPD page, which is reasonable. That raises the question on why it should be mentioned on the BPD then. There are no psychological reports on hoovering, the lack of sources which of course I cannot source. Outside the medical field, as it is not an established psychological phenomenon, it is strongly associated with NPD and not BPD. Regardless, describing individuals of an disorder as emotionally abusive, when there is no link presnt, is malicious without a doubt and contributes to stigmatizion. Khcnq ( talk) 14:09, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
Unless there is a credible source that illustrates the link between the disorder and the behavior in question, I don’t see a point in keeping the description of the behavior. There seems to be no credible foundation for the attribution of the behavior to the disorder, whether the behavior bears the „hoovering“ label or not. Of course I could be wrong too, and am willing to be convinced otherwise. Khcnq ( talk) 19:45, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
With the flurry of new content and changes to existing text, I'm eyeing things and seeing at the very least some Wikipedia:HIJACK issues. Other interested editors may want to help scrutinize the changes. That the content and or changes were made without edit summary only adds to the uncertainty of the author's intent. Dawnseeker2000 05:55, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for the change of the main Edvard Munch photo. I feel it fits much better. /info/en/?search=User:EmilePersaud 21:36, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
I've noticed quite a few changes in the last little while have been reverted, mostly by Apathyash, with little to no explanation provided for them. Perhaps we could discuss these further? Many of these changes seem to be intent on providing a further insight into the disorder, especially with regards to gender differences (in historical and current day diagnosis and treatment), as well as stigmatization. If another member contributing to the page wishes to add something that could be deemed of value, perhaps it would be worth rephrasing these thoughts or finding other ways to categorize them rather than simply deleting them if they are considered out of place or poorly worded? Or perhaps find a way to request input from other contributors. Firemaster1294 08:27, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
Additionally, if you are referring to the many reverted edits from August, you can see the talk discussion above (titled August 2020- it was actually 2021). Those reverts were agreed upon by multiple editors. Apathyash ( talk) 19:28, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
Hi everyone, I am a person living with BPD. As you all known, the current picture in the Infobox is Edvard Munch's The Brooch. Portraying idealization in the Infobox is not a bad idea (although I wouldn't consider it one of the main core features of BPD), however, can someone tell me why this painting is portraying idealization? She might as well be gladly looking at a bird, or having a good memory, or posing smiling away from the painter, or whatever. The idea that this painting (which is beautiful) is portraying idealization is absolutely subjective, based on the personal interpretation of another user. If we see articles on other mental disorders, the images are actual portrayals of patients, or even made by people who live with mental issues as well, like Major depressive disorder, Hallucination, Schizophrenia, or Dysthymia. I also think that idealization is not very representative of the disorder, a better picture may portray low self-steem, anxiety, suicidial ideation or low mood.
I'm aware that Munch might have lived with BPD himself, but what about this other paintings:
Please share your thoughts! Stay safe, -- 🩸 𝗕𝗹𝗲𝗳𝗳 🩸 ( talk) 05:23, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
This was a fantastic post. Thank you /info/en/?search=User:EmilePersaud 01:09, 9 January 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by EmilePersaud ( talk • contribs)
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“Despite no evidence of their effectiveness, SSRI antidepressants and quetiapine remain widely prescribed for the condition.”
-Link goes to a meta analysis which has a study that has an RCT (black 2014) that DOES show effectiveness for quetiapine and no other contradictory evidence, suggesting weak evidence FOR effectiveness rather than “no evidence of effectiveness” 2600:6C51:767F:B959:ACA0:5AE2:E71:A2A2 ( talk) 07:27, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
I apologize for being the one to ask a question with is almost certainly an obvious answer but I've always ben confused by the name. In most other contexts, "borderline" is used as adjective for some other condition. Borderline malnutrition, borderline diabetes, borderline osteoporosis, etc. A way of saying a patient is on the edge of the diagnostic criteria. Borderline personality disorder isn't that a patient is only 1 behavior away from being diagnosed with "Personality Disorder." It means personality disorder of the type "Borderline." Can anyone help me understand this better? I do apologize for cluttering up the talk page with such inanity. Nkuzmik ( talk) 16:52, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
In the lead, there is a statement that Despite no evidence of their effectiveness, SSRI antidepressants and quetiapine remain widely prescribed for the condition
. I read through the source for this statement and the statement fails verification with respect to quetiapine's efficacy:
Using these data, we observed moderate to large, statistically significant effects for both doses of quetiapine (150 mg/day and 300 mg/day) regarding BPD severity, psychosocial impairment and aggression, and an additional effect for the higher dose regarding manic symptoms.In other words, yes, there is statistical evidence that quetiapine is effective for treating BPD. The current phrasing appears to be a misreading of a pair of sentences [1] sentence used in discussing the differences between the low-dose regime and the high-dose regime. In other words, the source is saying that both doses have a statistically significant effect on the severity of BPD, but the higher dose offers more adverse effects without clear additional efficacy of treatment when compared to the lower dose.
In line with this, I'm going to make changes to the way that this is discussed in the article. My reason for posting this here is to provide an extended explanation, since this would be too long to post in an edit summary. — Ⓜ️hawk10 ( talk) 04:50, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
Notes
May someone please remove the image of self-harm scars in "Signs and Symptoms" (Self-harm and Suicide)? As someone who deals with self-harm and self destructive thoughts and behavior this image can be very triggering, specially considering is very graphic and can lead to people to compare their own self-harm scars or injuries to the one in the picture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.176.16.94 ( talk) 17:53, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
Added 2 sentences to the beginning of the paragraph about mood stabilizers to provide a definition to readers. "Mood stabilizers are anticonvulsant drugs used for both epilepsy and reduction in mood variations in patients with excessive and often dangerous mood variabilities. Often, the goal of the anticonvulsants are to bring certain areas of the brain to equilibrium and control outbursts and seizures." was added.
I added 3 peer-reviewed articles surrounding pharmacological treatment studies for BPD. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ckuhn22 ( talk • contribs) 22:37, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
I have a suggestion for future editing: Adding a definition for readers to understand what antipsychotics are may be really helpful before the study findings, that way people get at least a basic understanding of what antipsychotics are and what they target for treatment. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ckuhn22 ( talk • contribs) 00:42, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
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This article reads as though it is written to support and/or defend people with BPD, rather than as a clinical and objective report. 141.191.36.11 ( talk) 23:25, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
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As a layman, I don't understand the usage of Edvard Munch's The Brooch. Eva Mudocci in the infobox, or the caption describing it as representing idealization. I don't see a significant connection between the image and idealization and I would question its usage in the article. At the least, the caption does not adequately describe what connection the image has to BPD. — Ruyter ( talk • edits) 20:42, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
Agreed, I think I understand what it's trying to say understanding the disorder but yeah, it needs to be rewritten /info/en/?search=User:EmilePersaud 03:39, 19 May 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by EmilePersaud ( talk • contribs)
I think that the change of the image, one that I feel better describes that Idealization far better than the image changed to, was completely unnecessary
I think the second image used whilst perhaps would be fine, if we didn't have the current image there, gives a wrong perception of BPD, black and white, could easily be a teenager's profile picture, vs. The reality of BPD as a whole with the man in the suit
Hopefully that is agreed upon, I make this post to reach out and gauge opinions, thank you /info/en/?search=User:EmilePersaud 03:21, 19 May 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by EmilePersaud ( talk • contribs)
You can merge my latest talk, I did not see this originally as active.
The person who says people with bpd will more identify with Jacobsons picture is absolutely correct and I can't agree with the new image change /info/en/?search=User:EmilePersaud 10:39, 2 June 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by EmilePersaud ( talk • contribs)
Let's not change the picture on the page because of personal identity with BPD, thanks /info/en/?search=User:EmilePersaud 10:44, 2 June 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by EmilePersaud ( talk • contribs)
There's a reference to "idealization and devaluation" which hinges upon the theories of psychoanalytic psychology, a field that isn't held in very high regard by most contemporary psychologists. I suggest we remove references to this concept in the article, as 'splitting behaviour' or black-and-white thinking already covers this concept. Chloehoey ( talk) 00:12, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
This study ( https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25710733/) on Borderline Personality Disorder (the full text of that study with the info can be found here: https://blogs.uw.edu/brtc/files/2015/03/Schilling-et-al.-2015-attributional-tunnel-vision-in-BPD.pdf) states that " 'egocentrism'—that is, an 'embeddedness in one’s own point of view'—was identified as another important feature." And because egocentrism is a core of Borderline (in addition to the unstable moods/emotions), and egocentrism is also the core for all other cluster B personality disorders, I think this should be mentioned in the article. ATC . Talk 23:19, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
I was looking at this article and noticed a picture of my arm with self harm scars and I have never given permission for this to be anywhere and I am not okay for it to be on wikipedia. If you could please remove it I would be grateful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.151.105.237 ( talk) 22:29, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
I agree with removing it. This photo puts undue weight on one aspect of BPD. CUA 27 ( talk) 12:16, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
Can we get another opinion from another editor? I also live with BPD and this could seriously trigger someone, especially if someone is recovering from self harm. Also what source is the photo from? — Preceding unsigned comment added by DNocterum ( talk • contribs) 12:12, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
The argument that someone with BPD would not be upset with the photo is meaningless. I don't have BPD and I find the image triggering and in poor taste. So much so that it made me question the quality of the rest of the article. It's just not necessary - most people understand what self-harm scars look like. 24.86.65.58 ( talk) 02:54, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
As someone who has BPD this image is largely upsetting. I don't want to remove it without permission but I know many people with and without BPD who would be very upset by this image. Having an image of self harm is not necessary for an article on the subject of BPD, I'm not sure why so many people are arguing to keep it. It's an unnecessary and upsetting addition. There is already a link in that section for people who somehow don't know what self harming is or want elaboration, an image isn't needed as well. Not to mention that is an actual person who's image is being spread of their self harm. You guys keep arguing about whether the person who started this topic was being truthful about it being them, but I don't think it matters honestly? There is no evidence that the individual gave permission for that photo to be used that I know of, and until that evidence shows up I think the image should be removed regardless. I will try to contact the uploader of the photo and see if I can get a more solid story about the photo, but my first point about it being an unnecessary addition still stands. Edit: Nevermind about contacting the uploader, I've just seen that the situation was sorted out at the beginning of the thread, my bad. I do still stand by my initial point though. Tarakonah ( talk) 19:18, 3 April 2021 (UTC)Tarakonah
Material that would be considered vulgar or obscene by typical Wikipedia readers... should be used if and only if its omission would cause the article to be less informative, relevant, or accurate, and no equally suitable alternative is available.
The fact this thread exists shows many viewers find the image vulgar or obscene. The image does not change the accuracy or relevancy of the article. The image also adds no information on BPD to the page, and any reader curious about self harm would click the linked article on self-harm, where the image in question is displayed at the top of the page. Even if you decide to disregard the wellbeing of others here, it's clear the image should still be removed as per Wikipedia guidelines. Cian Murphy ( talk) 15:39, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
There is a mention on „hoovering“ in the interpersonal relationships section, which I suggests to delete. I attempted research on the mentioned subject and was not able to find any other psychological, psychiatric or medical reports or articles on it. However the other forms of articles that refer to hoovering, mainly pseudo-psychological or counseling articles, define it as a form of emotional abuse. I’m not sure how adding a description of possible emotional abusive behavior within an individual with this disorder will help to a better understanding of the disorder. Especially considering hoovering is not an established psychological term and refers to emotionally abusive behavior. The principle of good faith does not apply, in this case describing emotionally abusive behavior, when there is no link to the disorder except a mention in a counseling book, is simply malicious. Emotional abuse in general is not linked to this disorder, and hoovering should not be associated with the disorder at all, as not every individual will exhibit that type of behavior. Just like any other form of emotional abuse is not mentioned in the article, hoovering should not be removed as well, as there is barely any sources on it. Attributing emotionally abuse behavior to a disorder is stigmatizing and hence malicious. Also to be noted is that, besides the fact there are no psychiatric reports on this whatsoever, a google search reveals that this type of behavior is often linked to NPD by the general public that is concerned with this term, the general public of course is not the professional medical fied. However there is no mention of hoovering on the NPD page, which is reasonable. That raises the question on why it should be mentioned on the BPD then. There are no psychological reports on hoovering, the lack of sources which of course I cannot source. Outside the medical field, as it is not an established psychological phenomenon, it is strongly associated with NPD and not BPD. Regardless, describing individuals of an disorder as emotionally abusive, when there is no link presnt, is malicious without a doubt and contributes to stigmatizion. Khcnq ( talk) 14:09, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
Unless there is a credible source that illustrates the link between the disorder and the behavior in question, I don’t see a point in keeping the description of the behavior. There seems to be no credible foundation for the attribution of the behavior to the disorder, whether the behavior bears the „hoovering“ label or not. Of course I could be wrong too, and am willing to be convinced otherwise. Khcnq ( talk) 19:45, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
With the flurry of new content and changes to existing text, I'm eyeing things and seeing at the very least some Wikipedia:HIJACK issues. Other interested editors may want to help scrutinize the changes. That the content and or changes were made without edit summary only adds to the uncertainty of the author's intent. Dawnseeker2000 05:55, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for the change of the main Edvard Munch photo. I feel it fits much better. /info/en/?search=User:EmilePersaud 21:36, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
I've noticed quite a few changes in the last little while have been reverted, mostly by Apathyash, with little to no explanation provided for them. Perhaps we could discuss these further? Many of these changes seem to be intent on providing a further insight into the disorder, especially with regards to gender differences (in historical and current day diagnosis and treatment), as well as stigmatization. If another member contributing to the page wishes to add something that could be deemed of value, perhaps it would be worth rephrasing these thoughts or finding other ways to categorize them rather than simply deleting them if they are considered out of place or poorly worded? Or perhaps find a way to request input from other contributors. Firemaster1294 08:27, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
Additionally, if you are referring to the many reverted edits from August, you can see the talk discussion above (titled August 2020- it was actually 2021). Those reverts were agreed upon by multiple editors. Apathyash ( talk) 19:28, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
Hi everyone, I am a person living with BPD. As you all known, the current picture in the Infobox is Edvard Munch's The Brooch. Portraying idealization in the Infobox is not a bad idea (although I wouldn't consider it one of the main core features of BPD), however, can someone tell me why this painting is portraying idealization? She might as well be gladly looking at a bird, or having a good memory, or posing smiling away from the painter, or whatever. The idea that this painting (which is beautiful) is portraying idealization is absolutely subjective, based on the personal interpretation of another user. If we see articles on other mental disorders, the images are actual portrayals of patients, or even made by people who live with mental issues as well, like Major depressive disorder, Hallucination, Schizophrenia, or Dysthymia. I also think that idealization is not very representative of the disorder, a better picture may portray low self-steem, anxiety, suicidial ideation or low mood.
I'm aware that Munch might have lived with BPD himself, but what about this other paintings:
Please share your thoughts! Stay safe, -- 🩸 𝗕𝗹𝗲𝗳𝗳 🩸 ( talk) 05:23, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
This was a fantastic post. Thank you /info/en/?search=User:EmilePersaud 01:09, 9 January 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by EmilePersaud ( talk • contribs)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 23 August 2019 and 12 December 2019. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Karlikolsut22.
Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT ( talk) 16:07, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
“Despite no evidence of their effectiveness, SSRI antidepressants and quetiapine remain widely prescribed for the condition.”
-Link goes to a meta analysis which has a study that has an RCT (black 2014) that DOES show effectiveness for quetiapine and no other contradictory evidence, suggesting weak evidence FOR effectiveness rather than “no evidence of effectiveness” 2600:6C51:767F:B959:ACA0:5AE2:E71:A2A2 ( talk) 07:27, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
I apologize for being the one to ask a question with is almost certainly an obvious answer but I've always ben confused by the name. In most other contexts, "borderline" is used as adjective for some other condition. Borderline malnutrition, borderline diabetes, borderline osteoporosis, etc. A way of saying a patient is on the edge of the diagnostic criteria. Borderline personality disorder isn't that a patient is only 1 behavior away from being diagnosed with "Personality Disorder." It means personality disorder of the type "Borderline." Can anyone help me understand this better? I do apologize for cluttering up the talk page with such inanity. Nkuzmik ( talk) 16:52, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
In the lead, there is a statement that Despite no evidence of their effectiveness, SSRI antidepressants and quetiapine remain widely prescribed for the condition
. I read through the source for this statement and the statement fails verification with respect to quetiapine's efficacy:
Using these data, we observed moderate to large, statistically significant effects for both doses of quetiapine (150 mg/day and 300 mg/day) regarding BPD severity, psychosocial impairment and aggression, and an additional effect for the higher dose regarding manic symptoms.In other words, yes, there is statistical evidence that quetiapine is effective for treating BPD. The current phrasing appears to be a misreading of a pair of sentences [1] sentence used in discussing the differences between the low-dose regime and the high-dose regime. In other words, the source is saying that both doses have a statistically significant effect on the severity of BPD, but the higher dose offers more adverse effects without clear additional efficacy of treatment when compared to the lower dose.
In line with this, I'm going to make changes to the way that this is discussed in the article. My reason for posting this here is to provide an extended explanation, since this would be too long to post in an edit summary. — Ⓜ️hawk10 ( talk) 04:50, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
Notes
May someone please remove the image of self-harm scars in "Signs and Symptoms" (Self-harm and Suicide)? As someone who deals with self-harm and self destructive thoughts and behavior this image can be very triggering, specially considering is very graphic and can lead to people to compare their own self-harm scars or injuries to the one in the picture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.176.16.94 ( talk) 17:53, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
Added 2 sentences to the beginning of the paragraph about mood stabilizers to provide a definition to readers. "Mood stabilizers are anticonvulsant drugs used for both epilepsy and reduction in mood variations in patients with excessive and often dangerous mood variabilities. Often, the goal of the anticonvulsants are to bring certain areas of the brain to equilibrium and control outbursts and seizures." was added.
I added 3 peer-reviewed articles surrounding pharmacological treatment studies for BPD. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ckuhn22 ( talk • contribs) 22:37, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
I have a suggestion for future editing: Adding a definition for readers to understand what antipsychotics are may be really helpful before the study findings, that way people get at least a basic understanding of what antipsychotics are and what they target for treatment. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ckuhn22 ( talk • contribs) 00:42, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
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This article reads as though it is written to support and/or defend people with BPD, rather than as a clinical and objective report. 141.191.36.11 ( talk) 23:25, 10 November 2022 (UTC)