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I'm making two small changes to the armaments section. Hellbores are fusion pulse weapons, they don't depend on firing a deuterium round and *then* igniting it after it leaves the barrel. Also there's no reference to the classic Bolo secondary armament "Infinite Repeaters" which appeared regularly in the stories. Laumer never made it clear if these were gatling guns or just high-speed auto-cannon, so I'll just include the reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Teccean ( talk • contribs) 14:08, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
I don't have my books handy either but this list is missing DAK "Das Afrika Korps". I *think* he was a Mk XXIV. There were at least three other Bolos in that story as well. The clearest memory I have from the story is towards the begining. They'd found him buried in ruble or something and someone had said something that had set him off and he was speeding down some road heading no place in particular, and this general from this one nation he happened to be in had been called to do something about him and was speeding alongside in a jeep and saw the nameplate welded to his side and read it aloud as he drove alongside, which caused the Bolo to stop and decide that this guy was his new boss, and then he went on to win the upcoming war for this guys side by calling in his brothers who were all in hibernation aboard ancient satellites above the planet. Surely someone besides me remembers this Bolo?
I just recently read Honor of the Regiment Bolos book 1. It is made up of short stories and one of them ploughshare by Todd Johnson. There are 4 mark XVI Bolos in the story: Das Afrika Korps, US Seventh Corps, Zhukov, and Indefatigable. In the process of typing this I noticed that they are already listed in the list. Is there a need for this then? Feffrey 03:25, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm working on taking the data from Book 3 and wikifying it. You can find it at User:Falcorian/bolo, feel free to fuss with it. I'd like to add information under the major headinds, so if you've got something, toss it in. - Falcorian 06:04, August 13, 2005 (UTC)
It's live at
Bolo Marks Technical Data, take a look. -
Falcorian 21:17, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
Don't have my books handy, but the list is missing LRH "Little Red Hen". I don't remember which Mark it was, but it was an odd, "light" Bolo for recon to transport and support a human crew to observe the enemy. LRH was severely damaged in action while attempting to save its crew. The data records were recovered and its AI core destroyed. I believe it was a Mark XXI something. Maybe (I)?
I do not think the text removed by Chairboy is copyrited. It was written up by 66.36.155.48, and while it is obviously using Bolo III as a reference, it is not a direct copy (although close at points, but a rewrite seems like a better solution than removal). I don't know the exact rules for wikipedia on the subject, but I do not think this violates any as otherwise no articles could be written that are also covered in copyrighted material. Can anyone confirm or deny? - Falcorian 22:29, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
I was wondering if this rticle could discuss the Bolo personality. It has always been a king of king in shining armour but I need some help in making it more clear -- Thisuser 03:20, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
I changed references to the Bolo being 'like a tank only bigger [etc]' to 'super-heavy tank.' There's no real difference between a Bolo and a tank other than scale, so it's fairly ridiculous to claim it's anything but a super-heavy tank. Hrimfaxi 11:13, 17 April 2006 (UTC) The difference between a tank and a bolo is like that between a pussycat and a tiger; both feline, but a cat is not a tiger.
In the short story Cultural Exchange, an oddly numbered Bolo model is mentioned: "That's the model WV," she said. "It's what is known as a Continental Siege Unit. It carries four men, with a half-megaton/second firepower—"
"There must be an error somewhere," Retief said. "The Bolo model I want is a tractor, model WV M-1—"
"Oh, the modification was the addition of a blade for demolition work. That must be what confused you." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sennard ( talk • contribs) 01:43, 8 December 2006 (UTC).
Bolo Restartus, Model M, is mentioned in the story Courier, along with 40mm infinite repeaters as a separate weapon. Notably when the Retief stories mention the Concordiat it is always as an alliance/empire/government one or two centuries in the past. kcylsnavS{ screech harrass} 16:17, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
Personally, I'd be interested in some analysis of the stories themselves and the varying perspectives their authors have brought to them:
And I'm sure there's more to say about the function of the Bolo characters in the stories than their mark numbers and other statistics.
-- IMAGinES 06:54, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
I've been reading and collecting the stories for a few months now, but I haven't found any explanation as to how the name "Bolo" was chosen as a replacement for "tank" or "main battle tank/MBT." Did Laumer ever provide an explanation, and if so, could someone add that to the article? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Glas McBain ( talk • contribs) 20:28, 30 January 2007 (UTC).
I'm not going to argue for or against the meaning of Bolo in the military, nor whether this is the reason for Bolos being called Bolos. I will however point out that WP:OS would forbid us from making this sort of (by its own admission) conjecture. -- Falcorian (talk) 13:27, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
In a nutshell: If this article had good sources and citations in an out-of-universe writing style, it would be a prime example to others wanting to write about fiction on the Wikipedia.
Understanding that the bolo article text is a partial work of fiction about a work of fiction, problems arise when that in-universe fiction is blended with real world fact. A prime example is the link to an American automobile manufacturer which in the bolo article text is credited with a fictional manufacturing division; no such verifiable information can be found on the article of the American automobile manufacturer. There is a need to cite specific published works of fiction to support any challengable statement in the bolo article, or those parts of the bolo article without encyclopedic-suitable sources can be deleted by any Wikipedian(s) at any time as unsupported original research or unverified facts, and Jimbo would back them up for doing this. Publication of the source is not absolutely required, but it would make it most difficult for anyone else to argue against the encyclopedic suitability of the source if used. If the editors of this article wish to continue risking deletion of text from in-universe writing style without citations, then it may be a good idea to avoid a flame war by moving the article to a non-Wikipedia site such as wikia.com (example: 24 television series) or other sites listed at the bottom of the Wikipedia:Manual of Style (writing about fiction) guideline. There is nothing stopping anyone who is reading this talk post from starting a non-Wikipedia in-universe site for the bolo information, and it's actually kind of cool to be the administrator of one's own wiki and setting the rules there at wikia.com. Hotfeba 16:06, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
one source tag I'm removing this because it does n0t reflect the reality of the available material. unlike many other fictional universes Bolo currently only has o0ne supplemental guide. The back of Book three is the only place to find any of this information short of personally interviewing David Weber or digging up Kieth Laumer. Trey ( talk) 02:11, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
I've been reading through Keith Laumer's Rogue Bolo. In it, it has a Bolo named CSR "Caesar", a Mark XXX. On this page, it lists CSR as a XX, but I was not sure if another Bolo went by that name as there are no sources for it. Also, as to the time, the book claims that nuclear technology had been around for 2000 years, placing it at least in the 4000 range, breaking out of the chain. Is there anyone that can help verify any of the information on the page? (I also know that the later future gets quite a bit cluttered). MystRivenExile ( talk) 22:15, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
There has been no story ever featuring a XXXXX Mark Bolo, and secondly, ROMAN NUMERALS DON'T WORK THAT WAY! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.48.149.47 ( talk) 05:42, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
This article is screaming for a picture of some sort. Wouldn't it be possible to get a cover pic from a publisher? Free advertising after all.
Any talented, BOLO fan, artists out there? Surely there must be some public domain pic of a BOLO or someones idea of one?
James Cameron, someone, make a BOLO movie!--
220.101.28.25 (
talk) 06:27, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Hi everyone. I have started a Keith laumer wiki [2]. It's very small right now but since you all seem knowledgeable of bolos, maybe some of you could come over and make a few articles 24.255.108.216 ( talk) 20:29, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
Really a fictional question about a fictional technology but.... If their armament doesn't travel in parabolic arcs because the projectile travels at a high fraction of the speed of light, then they would be extremely limited by line of sight. How does the author make this technology seem relevant in a universe where someone could put the same thing in space and bombard a planet(or bolo) into dust? 75.84.184.44 ( talk) 06:15, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
Can someone confirm the reference to Bolo's having on-board maintenance robots? SuperAnth: so dubbed by others, perpetuated by action ( talk) 01:22, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
Nobody seems to have sorted out which Bolos are used in which stories, so I did it myself. Presenting the Bolo stories in truly chronological order is well nigh impossible due to the way the stories were written. I was more interested to see if there were any serial stories, but to my surprise I could only find two instances of that: S. M. Stirling's trio of short stories about Markee, "Lost Legion", "Ancestral Voices" and "The Sixth Sense"; and David Weber's pair of short stories based in Santa Cruz, "Miles To Go" and "With Your Shield".
I've done the data collection, but the two possible wikipedia entries, for
Keith_Laumer and
Bolo (tank), are written and arranged so strangely that I have no idea where to put the data up or how to present it. I am also not ready to try to present something this complicated using tables. So I will post this in the talk sections of both.
I grant permission for anyone to use or present this data in a better form than I was able to. Please inform me of any mistakes! -- Evilsofa ( talk) 19:57, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
In This edit, User:Clarityfiend deleted material about Bolo alien enemies. Does anyone else agree or disagree with the deletion? -- Guy Macon ( talk) 03:58, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
I'm sorry to bring this topic up again, but the problems of this article were getting worse in the last year (see also this section). In my opinion, a dramatic amount of this article can be cut away and the topic would get a lot more clear:
The fancruft is pretty detailed but (imho) better placed in a Bolopedia, which actually exists. Take it to there, and link from here? -- Enyavar ( talk) 21:28, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
This article was nominated for deletion on 6 September 2017. The result of the discussion was keep. |
This article is rated B-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||
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I'm making two small changes to the armaments section. Hellbores are fusion pulse weapons, they don't depend on firing a deuterium round and *then* igniting it after it leaves the barrel. Also there's no reference to the classic Bolo secondary armament "Infinite Repeaters" which appeared regularly in the stories. Laumer never made it clear if these were gatling guns or just high-speed auto-cannon, so I'll just include the reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Teccean ( talk • contribs) 14:08, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
I don't have my books handy either but this list is missing DAK "Das Afrika Korps". I *think* he was a Mk XXIV. There were at least three other Bolos in that story as well. The clearest memory I have from the story is towards the begining. They'd found him buried in ruble or something and someone had said something that had set him off and he was speeding down some road heading no place in particular, and this general from this one nation he happened to be in had been called to do something about him and was speeding alongside in a jeep and saw the nameplate welded to his side and read it aloud as he drove alongside, which caused the Bolo to stop and decide that this guy was his new boss, and then he went on to win the upcoming war for this guys side by calling in his brothers who were all in hibernation aboard ancient satellites above the planet. Surely someone besides me remembers this Bolo?
I just recently read Honor of the Regiment Bolos book 1. It is made up of short stories and one of them ploughshare by Todd Johnson. There are 4 mark XVI Bolos in the story: Das Afrika Korps, US Seventh Corps, Zhukov, and Indefatigable. In the process of typing this I noticed that they are already listed in the list. Is there a need for this then? Feffrey 03:25, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm working on taking the data from Book 3 and wikifying it. You can find it at User:Falcorian/bolo, feel free to fuss with it. I'd like to add information under the major headinds, so if you've got something, toss it in. - Falcorian 06:04, August 13, 2005 (UTC)
It's live at
Bolo Marks Technical Data, take a look. -
Falcorian 21:17, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
Don't have my books handy, but the list is missing LRH "Little Red Hen". I don't remember which Mark it was, but it was an odd, "light" Bolo for recon to transport and support a human crew to observe the enemy. LRH was severely damaged in action while attempting to save its crew. The data records were recovered and its AI core destroyed. I believe it was a Mark XXI something. Maybe (I)?
I do not think the text removed by Chairboy is copyrited. It was written up by 66.36.155.48, and while it is obviously using Bolo III as a reference, it is not a direct copy (although close at points, but a rewrite seems like a better solution than removal). I don't know the exact rules for wikipedia on the subject, but I do not think this violates any as otherwise no articles could be written that are also covered in copyrighted material. Can anyone confirm or deny? - Falcorian 22:29, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
I was wondering if this rticle could discuss the Bolo personality. It has always been a king of king in shining armour but I need some help in making it more clear -- Thisuser 03:20, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
I changed references to the Bolo being 'like a tank only bigger [etc]' to 'super-heavy tank.' There's no real difference between a Bolo and a tank other than scale, so it's fairly ridiculous to claim it's anything but a super-heavy tank. Hrimfaxi 11:13, 17 April 2006 (UTC) The difference between a tank and a bolo is like that between a pussycat and a tiger; both feline, but a cat is not a tiger.
In the short story Cultural Exchange, an oddly numbered Bolo model is mentioned: "That's the model WV," she said. "It's what is known as a Continental Siege Unit. It carries four men, with a half-megaton/second firepower—"
"There must be an error somewhere," Retief said. "The Bolo model I want is a tractor, model WV M-1—"
"Oh, the modification was the addition of a blade for demolition work. That must be what confused you." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sennard ( talk • contribs) 01:43, 8 December 2006 (UTC).
Bolo Restartus, Model M, is mentioned in the story Courier, along with 40mm infinite repeaters as a separate weapon. Notably when the Retief stories mention the Concordiat it is always as an alliance/empire/government one or two centuries in the past. kcylsnavS{ screech harrass} 16:17, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
Personally, I'd be interested in some analysis of the stories themselves and the varying perspectives their authors have brought to them:
And I'm sure there's more to say about the function of the Bolo characters in the stories than their mark numbers and other statistics.
-- IMAGinES 06:54, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
I've been reading and collecting the stories for a few months now, but I haven't found any explanation as to how the name "Bolo" was chosen as a replacement for "tank" or "main battle tank/MBT." Did Laumer ever provide an explanation, and if so, could someone add that to the article? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Glas McBain ( talk • contribs) 20:28, 30 January 2007 (UTC).
I'm not going to argue for or against the meaning of Bolo in the military, nor whether this is the reason for Bolos being called Bolos. I will however point out that WP:OS would forbid us from making this sort of (by its own admission) conjecture. -- Falcorian (talk) 13:27, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
In a nutshell: If this article had good sources and citations in an out-of-universe writing style, it would be a prime example to others wanting to write about fiction on the Wikipedia.
Understanding that the bolo article text is a partial work of fiction about a work of fiction, problems arise when that in-universe fiction is blended with real world fact. A prime example is the link to an American automobile manufacturer which in the bolo article text is credited with a fictional manufacturing division; no such verifiable information can be found on the article of the American automobile manufacturer. There is a need to cite specific published works of fiction to support any challengable statement in the bolo article, or those parts of the bolo article without encyclopedic-suitable sources can be deleted by any Wikipedian(s) at any time as unsupported original research or unverified facts, and Jimbo would back them up for doing this. Publication of the source is not absolutely required, but it would make it most difficult for anyone else to argue against the encyclopedic suitability of the source if used. If the editors of this article wish to continue risking deletion of text from in-universe writing style without citations, then it may be a good idea to avoid a flame war by moving the article to a non-Wikipedia site such as wikia.com (example: 24 television series) or other sites listed at the bottom of the Wikipedia:Manual of Style (writing about fiction) guideline. There is nothing stopping anyone who is reading this talk post from starting a non-Wikipedia in-universe site for the bolo information, and it's actually kind of cool to be the administrator of one's own wiki and setting the rules there at wikia.com. Hotfeba 16:06, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
one source tag I'm removing this because it does n0t reflect the reality of the available material. unlike many other fictional universes Bolo currently only has o0ne supplemental guide. The back of Book three is the only place to find any of this information short of personally interviewing David Weber or digging up Kieth Laumer. Trey ( talk) 02:11, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
I've been reading through Keith Laumer's Rogue Bolo. In it, it has a Bolo named CSR "Caesar", a Mark XXX. On this page, it lists CSR as a XX, but I was not sure if another Bolo went by that name as there are no sources for it. Also, as to the time, the book claims that nuclear technology had been around for 2000 years, placing it at least in the 4000 range, breaking out of the chain. Is there anyone that can help verify any of the information on the page? (I also know that the later future gets quite a bit cluttered). MystRivenExile ( talk) 22:15, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
There has been no story ever featuring a XXXXX Mark Bolo, and secondly, ROMAN NUMERALS DON'T WORK THAT WAY! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.48.149.47 ( talk) 05:42, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
This article is screaming for a picture of some sort. Wouldn't it be possible to get a cover pic from a publisher? Free advertising after all.
Any talented, BOLO fan, artists out there? Surely there must be some public domain pic of a BOLO or someones idea of one?
James Cameron, someone, make a BOLO movie!--
220.101.28.25 (
talk) 06:27, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Hi everyone. I have started a Keith laumer wiki [2]. It's very small right now but since you all seem knowledgeable of bolos, maybe some of you could come over and make a few articles 24.255.108.216 ( talk) 20:29, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
Really a fictional question about a fictional technology but.... If their armament doesn't travel in parabolic arcs because the projectile travels at a high fraction of the speed of light, then they would be extremely limited by line of sight. How does the author make this technology seem relevant in a universe where someone could put the same thing in space and bombard a planet(or bolo) into dust? 75.84.184.44 ( talk) 06:15, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
Can someone confirm the reference to Bolo's having on-board maintenance robots? SuperAnth: so dubbed by others, perpetuated by action ( talk) 01:22, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
Nobody seems to have sorted out which Bolos are used in which stories, so I did it myself. Presenting the Bolo stories in truly chronological order is well nigh impossible due to the way the stories were written. I was more interested to see if there were any serial stories, but to my surprise I could only find two instances of that: S. M. Stirling's trio of short stories about Markee, "Lost Legion", "Ancestral Voices" and "The Sixth Sense"; and David Weber's pair of short stories based in Santa Cruz, "Miles To Go" and "With Your Shield".
I've done the data collection, but the two possible wikipedia entries, for
Keith_Laumer and
Bolo (tank), are written and arranged so strangely that I have no idea where to put the data up or how to present it. I am also not ready to try to present something this complicated using tables. So I will post this in the talk sections of both.
I grant permission for anyone to use or present this data in a better form than I was able to. Please inform me of any mistakes! -- Evilsofa ( talk) 19:57, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
In This edit, User:Clarityfiend deleted material about Bolo alien enemies. Does anyone else agree or disagree with the deletion? -- Guy Macon ( talk) 03:58, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
I'm sorry to bring this topic up again, but the problems of this article were getting worse in the last year (see also this section). In my opinion, a dramatic amount of this article can be cut away and the topic would get a lot more clear:
The fancruft is pretty detailed but (imho) better placed in a Bolopedia, which actually exists. Take it to there, and link from here? -- Enyavar ( talk) 21:28, 14 January 2016 (UTC)