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"This tree is a frequent destination for pilgrims, being the most important of the four holy sites for Buddhists." Could we get a link to the other three of the four most holy places in Buddhism? - Heartofgoldfish 03:32, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
The entire Historical Events section sounds like an excerpt from the Tripitaka. If anyone is better qualified than I am to make it sound like an encyclopedia article, please, go ahead. Colin 01:57, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
I've boldly retitled this section "In Buddhist chronology" which I believe is a more neutral title that neither affirms nor rejects the historicity of the traditional accounts used as sources. I'm also adding language identifying this content as according to traditional Buddhist accounts. WP:NPOV permits reporting the traditional Buddhist point of view (which is clearly a significant one) so long as other viewpoints are not excluded. Best, -- Shirahadasha ( talk) 01:31, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Shouldn't this be merged with sacred fig (the exact same tree)? Saimdusan Talk| Contribs 02:54, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
Citation 2 to Hawaii University is situated behind their proxy. I suggest update this citation to something more accessible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.250.5.253 ( talk) 20:18, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
@ Dharmalion76: Hello, i have simplified the sentence. Please read it, these were edits in good faith.
After researching how it's often referred to as "Bodhi Fig Tree", I added this alternative to the beginning of the article. 73.85.203.43 ( talk) 13:36, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: ( non-admin closure) NOT MOVED. There is consensus against adding "The" to the article title. There is no consensus on some other move; either to change "Tree" to lowercase, or to add parenthetical disambiguation (and presumably having Bodhi tree become a DAB or redirect to some other article). User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 02:53, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
Bodhi Tree →
The Bodhi tree – The inclusion of "The" can be used to distinguish between the one particular tree under which
Gautama Buddha is said to have attained
bodhi and the other trees that are called bodhi trees, e.g., all trees of the species
Ficus religiosa or the trees that are direct descendants (e.g., the
Mahabodhi tree or the
Anandabodhi tree) or clones from cuttings (e.g., the
Sri Maha Bodhi Tree or the
Bodhi Tree in Honolulu) of the particular tree under which the Buddha sat. (See
WP:THE: "If a term with a definite article has a different meaning with respect to the same term without the article, the term with the article can be used as the name of a Wikipedia article about that meaning.
") Also, the sources are mixed about capitalization of "tree". So is the Wikipedia article. In fact most of the sources that I have checked use lowercase for "tree". Brittanica uses lowercase. The CNN article cited in the first sentence does too. In a web search, many instances that capitalize the word "tree" are doing so for the names of institutions and enterprises rather than for the name of this particular tree (e.g.,
Bodhi Tree Bookstore, Bodhi Tree Salon & Spa, Bodhi Tree Yoga Resort, Bodhi Tree Juice Co., Bodhi Tree Massage and Skincare, Bodhi Tree Guesthouse & Studio, Bodhi Tree Educational Foundation, Bodhi Tree Cafe). When sources are mixed, Wikipedia generally prefers lowercase. But "
Bodhi tree" (without "The") is more ambiguous, as it could refer either to this article or the article about the species of tree or one of the other individual trees. —
BarrelProof (
talk) 04:38, 8 June 2021 (UTC) —Relisting.
Elli (
talk |
contribs) 16:07, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
If a term with a definite article has a different meaning with respect to the same term without the article, the term with the article can be used as the name of a Wikipedia article about that meaning, and the word without article can be used as the name of a separate Wikipedia article.Unless it's being proposed that Bodhi Tree redirect somewhere else (which doesn't seem to be the case), then this clause of WP:THE doesn't apply. Colin M ( talk) 22:33, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved . Consensus is: disambiguation of a primary topic article at the base name is unnecessary. If nom wanted to argue that this topic is not primary for “Bodhi Tree”, well, that argument was not presented. ( non-admin closure) В²C ☎ 01:11, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
Bodhi Tree → Bodhi tree (Bodh Gaya) – The previous requested move for this article (now closed) raised several issues which were unresolved, specifically regarding capitalisation and ambiguity; there was a general agreement in favour of a lowercase "tree", but this makes the title ambiguous. As I argued in that discussion, the distinguishing feature of this particular tree is not the religion ("Buddhism"), the title given to the tree ("Śri Mahā-"), or a definite article ("the") but the geographical location of this tree: "located in Bodh Gaya, Bihar, India"; this is also how the first line of the article itself disambiguates this tree. "Bodhi tree (Bodh Gaya)" is the only accurate, unambiguous title for this article. Scyrme ( talk) 23:02, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
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"This tree is a frequent destination for pilgrims, being the most important of the four holy sites for Buddhists." Could we get a link to the other three of the four most holy places in Buddhism? - Heartofgoldfish 03:32, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
The entire Historical Events section sounds like an excerpt from the Tripitaka. If anyone is better qualified than I am to make it sound like an encyclopedia article, please, go ahead. Colin 01:57, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
I've boldly retitled this section "In Buddhist chronology" which I believe is a more neutral title that neither affirms nor rejects the historicity of the traditional accounts used as sources. I'm also adding language identifying this content as according to traditional Buddhist accounts. WP:NPOV permits reporting the traditional Buddhist point of view (which is clearly a significant one) so long as other viewpoints are not excluded. Best, -- Shirahadasha ( talk) 01:31, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Shouldn't this be merged with sacred fig (the exact same tree)? Saimdusan Talk| Contribs 02:54, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
Citation 2 to Hawaii University is situated behind their proxy. I suggest update this citation to something more accessible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.250.5.253 ( talk) 20:18, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
@ Dharmalion76: Hello, i have simplified the sentence. Please read it, these were edits in good faith.
After researching how it's often referred to as "Bodhi Fig Tree", I added this alternative to the beginning of the article. 73.85.203.43 ( talk) 13:36, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: ( non-admin closure) NOT MOVED. There is consensus against adding "The" to the article title. There is no consensus on some other move; either to change "Tree" to lowercase, or to add parenthetical disambiguation (and presumably having Bodhi tree become a DAB or redirect to some other article). User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 02:53, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
Bodhi Tree →
The Bodhi tree – The inclusion of "The" can be used to distinguish between the one particular tree under which
Gautama Buddha is said to have attained
bodhi and the other trees that are called bodhi trees, e.g., all trees of the species
Ficus religiosa or the trees that are direct descendants (e.g., the
Mahabodhi tree or the
Anandabodhi tree) or clones from cuttings (e.g., the
Sri Maha Bodhi Tree or the
Bodhi Tree in Honolulu) of the particular tree under which the Buddha sat. (See
WP:THE: "If a term with a definite article has a different meaning with respect to the same term without the article, the term with the article can be used as the name of a Wikipedia article about that meaning.
") Also, the sources are mixed about capitalization of "tree". So is the Wikipedia article. In fact most of the sources that I have checked use lowercase for "tree". Brittanica uses lowercase. The CNN article cited in the first sentence does too. In a web search, many instances that capitalize the word "tree" are doing so for the names of institutions and enterprises rather than for the name of this particular tree (e.g.,
Bodhi Tree Bookstore, Bodhi Tree Salon & Spa, Bodhi Tree Yoga Resort, Bodhi Tree Juice Co., Bodhi Tree Massage and Skincare, Bodhi Tree Guesthouse & Studio, Bodhi Tree Educational Foundation, Bodhi Tree Cafe). When sources are mixed, Wikipedia generally prefers lowercase. But "
Bodhi tree" (without "The") is more ambiguous, as it could refer either to this article or the article about the species of tree or one of the other individual trees. —
BarrelProof (
talk) 04:38, 8 June 2021 (UTC) —Relisting.
Elli (
talk |
contribs) 16:07, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
If a term with a definite article has a different meaning with respect to the same term without the article, the term with the article can be used as the name of a Wikipedia article about that meaning, and the word without article can be used as the name of a separate Wikipedia article.Unless it's being proposed that Bodhi Tree redirect somewhere else (which doesn't seem to be the case), then this clause of WP:THE doesn't apply. Colin M ( talk) 22:33, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved . Consensus is: disambiguation of a primary topic article at the base name is unnecessary. If nom wanted to argue that this topic is not primary for “Bodhi Tree”, well, that argument was not presented. ( non-admin closure) В²C ☎ 01:11, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
Bodhi Tree → Bodhi tree (Bodh Gaya) – The previous requested move for this article (now closed) raised several issues which were unresolved, specifically regarding capitalisation and ambiguity; there was a general agreement in favour of a lowercase "tree", but this makes the title ambiguous. As I argued in that discussion, the distinguishing feature of this particular tree is not the religion ("Buddhism"), the title given to the tree ("Śri Mahā-"), or a definite article ("the") but the geographical location of this tree: "located in Bodh Gaya, Bihar, India"; this is also how the first line of the article itself disambiguates this tree. "Bodhi tree (Bodh Gaya)" is the only accurate, unambiguous title for this article. Scyrme ( talk) 23:02, 29 July 2021 (UTC)