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Would you think it really pedantic if I point out that a cube cannot be 64x72 metres, as by definition all the sides of a cube are the same length? I have not touched the article, which is great.-- Anthony.bradbury 23:23, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
Re the number of minarets: Tour guides have twice told me the legend is that the architect mistakenly heard the word for "gold" as the word for "six." Neither mentioned, however, that Sultan Ahmet was responsible for adding the seventh minaret to the Ka'aba! Not R 12:20, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Is there a place to enter the local legend that: "They say the Blue Mosque is so beautiful that the seagulls will not land on it." (Its true, they don't land on it; although its not clear whether their appreciation of its aesthetics is the reason.
There is a great picture of the mosque on wikimedia commons. I encourage someone to add the picture to this article.--Fagles 02:13, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
If the Blue Mosque is a scaled down, elaborated version of Hagia Sofia, how can it be called an example of Islamic architecture? Isn't it really Byzantine architecture?
Since the Ottomans adopted the dome wich the Byzantines used its fair enough by me to call it Byzantine architecture. But still there are differences : of course the minarettes and also the archs wich are used by the muslims are different from the Byzantine ones. But its oke with me to change it.(
145.53.211.52 08:56, 19 January 2007 (UTC))
BTW I'd like "Blue mosque" to redirect here, since other Blue mosques aren't notable. So I'd like to insert the following template:
Bless sins 22:43, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
I find it bizarre how auch a famous and internationally recognised building does not have the architect even mentioned in this article, what is the problem, was he Greek or Armenian or something? Reaper7 17:17, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
How is this "Ottoman Architecture"? It's a clone of Byzantine architecture and the Hagia Sophia in particular. JuliusNero ( talk) 05:15, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
This article needs a major revamp, and the better the soon. While the History section is written well and to the point, if short overall, the Architecture section is full of weasel words; it's obvious that whoever typed up the text for it has something against either the Mosque itself or the architecture of this Mosque in particular. Phrases and sentences like "The domes are supported by four massive piers that recall those of the Selimiye Mosque in Edirne, another masterpiece of Sinan. It is obvious that Mehmet Paşa was overcautious by taking this inflated margin of safety, damaging the elegant proportions of the dome by their oppressive size." should never be found in an article on Wikipedia, ever.
wrc_wolfbrother ( talk) 10:21, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
For discussion on moving this back to Sultan Ahmed Mosque, see Talk:Sultan_Ahmed_Mosque#Move_to_disambig. - M.Nelson ( talk) 00:27, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
please add some obama photos. http://images.google.com.tr/images?gbv=2&hl=tr&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Atr%3Aofficial&sa=1&q=obama+blue+mosque&btnG=G%C3%B6rsellerde+Ara&aq=f&oq= —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.181.43.213 ( talk) 16:24, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
The article mentions that it's called the "Blue Mosque" because of a part of the interior. However, this does not seem to be pictured in any of the current photos, and I cannot find any online. Can somebody rectify this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.237.255.138 ( talk) 11:08, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
Also the "iç avlu" (inner courtyard) pic is added to the section titled "Exterior". A serious effort on pics is needed here. -- E4024 ( talk) 19:34, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
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7. Overall assessment. | Per WP:RGA, the article have serious issues with sources. Precisely the main source is travel agency website. On top of this, there is probably a serious issue with close paraphrasing or copyright violation because significant portions of the text are simply copied from this agency's website. -- Antidiskriminator ( talk) 19:10, 14 September 2014 (UTC) |
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Are there any errors or text that needs improvement mate? elmasmelih 09:17, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
Source - I am concerned about sources used in this article, in particular about http://www.bluemosque.co/. Here is what concerns me:
I would like to hear opinion of nominator ( Elmasmelih) about my above remarks before I decide if this article should be failed without further review.-- Antidiskriminator ( talk) 19:04, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
I understand your concerns mate. How long will you give me to fix these issues? elmasmelih 18:04, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that File:Blue Mosque Courtyard Dusk Wikimedia Commons.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on December 3, 2016. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2016-12-03. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. — Chris Woodrich ( talk) 12:23, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
The text says - ¨The Sultan Ahmed Mosque is one of the two mosques in Turkey that has six minarets (one in the modern Sabancı Mosque in Adana, the Hz. Mikdat Mosque in Mersin, Çamlıca in Üsküdar and the Green mosque in Arnavutköy). ¨ - isn´t that four others, making five in all ? Or am I misreading that ? -- Beardo ( talk) 15:18, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved to Blue Mosque. However, there seems to be support for Blue Mosque, Istanbul, if any editors wish to carry that out. ErikHaugen ( talk | contribs) 18:01, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
– This building is almost universally titled the "Blue Mosque" first, and Sultan Ahmed mosque second, and is the most famous and well-known example of a 'Blue Mosque'. Google blue mosque, you will see this mosque. Google scholar blue mosque, you will see this mosque. Even Turkish sources, when speaking to an international audience use "Blue Mosque" first, e.g.: [1]. I recommend this page becomes the place that Blue Mosque directs to, and the main mention on the Blue Mosque (disambiguation) page. Iskandar323 ( talk) 11:50, 30 November 2021 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran • sign the guestbook • (talk) 15:50, 7 December 2021 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran • sign the guestbook • (talk) 06:09, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
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this research paper is a good example of how the Blue Mosque is the accepted
WP:COMMONNAME for the structure in English, even when the same (Turkish) authors refer to it as Sultan Ahmet Camii in Turkish (in academic usage, outside of the various parallels already mentioned in the tourism industry).
Sultan Ahmed I may have been in competition with counterparts from "Mughal India".
Both sides intending to construct the finest monuments. 19:42, 13 December 2021 (UTC)~~\\\\~\\\~ 137.59.221.36 ( talk) 19:42, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
Why it an icon ? 41.13.136.217 ( talk) 17:57, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
I'm in the process of revising the article's text and some of its layout. There are numerous problems, mostly minor, but they add up to a lot of necessary cleanup. For example, many parts of the architecture section seem to be close paraphrases of Godfrey Goodwin's well-known book, yet are attributed to a dead-link website. A lot of the images are also repetitive and uninformative, rather than more deliberately curated per the guidelines of MOS:IMAGES.
I don't expect any contentious edits, but if there are any questions about something I did, feel free to ask here, if helpful. (Feel free also to keep an eye out for any typos or format errors I might have missed.) Cheers, R Prazeres ( talk) 20:11, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
I found quite a few of the citations do not actually lead to articles/books that can be accessed. Also, perhaps an image or description of what a sphendone is. Bbonefield ( talk) 04:54, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
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Would you think it really pedantic if I point out that a cube cannot be 64x72 metres, as by definition all the sides of a cube are the same length? I have not touched the article, which is great.-- Anthony.bradbury 23:23, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
Re the number of minarets: Tour guides have twice told me the legend is that the architect mistakenly heard the word for "gold" as the word for "six." Neither mentioned, however, that Sultan Ahmet was responsible for adding the seventh minaret to the Ka'aba! Not R 12:20, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Is there a place to enter the local legend that: "They say the Blue Mosque is so beautiful that the seagulls will not land on it." (Its true, they don't land on it; although its not clear whether their appreciation of its aesthetics is the reason.
There is a great picture of the mosque on wikimedia commons. I encourage someone to add the picture to this article.--Fagles 02:13, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
If the Blue Mosque is a scaled down, elaborated version of Hagia Sofia, how can it be called an example of Islamic architecture? Isn't it really Byzantine architecture?
Since the Ottomans adopted the dome wich the Byzantines used its fair enough by me to call it Byzantine architecture. But still there are differences : of course the minarettes and also the archs wich are used by the muslims are different from the Byzantine ones. But its oke with me to change it.(
145.53.211.52 08:56, 19 January 2007 (UTC))
BTW I'd like "Blue mosque" to redirect here, since other Blue mosques aren't notable. So I'd like to insert the following template:
Bless sins 22:43, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
I find it bizarre how auch a famous and internationally recognised building does not have the architect even mentioned in this article, what is the problem, was he Greek or Armenian or something? Reaper7 17:17, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
How is this "Ottoman Architecture"? It's a clone of Byzantine architecture and the Hagia Sophia in particular. JuliusNero ( talk) 05:15, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
This article needs a major revamp, and the better the soon. While the History section is written well and to the point, if short overall, the Architecture section is full of weasel words; it's obvious that whoever typed up the text for it has something against either the Mosque itself or the architecture of this Mosque in particular. Phrases and sentences like "The domes are supported by four massive piers that recall those of the Selimiye Mosque in Edirne, another masterpiece of Sinan. It is obvious that Mehmet Paşa was overcautious by taking this inflated margin of safety, damaging the elegant proportions of the dome by their oppressive size." should never be found in an article on Wikipedia, ever.
wrc_wolfbrother ( talk) 10:21, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
For discussion on moving this back to Sultan Ahmed Mosque, see Talk:Sultan_Ahmed_Mosque#Move_to_disambig. - M.Nelson ( talk) 00:27, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
please add some obama photos. http://images.google.com.tr/images?gbv=2&hl=tr&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Atr%3Aofficial&sa=1&q=obama+blue+mosque&btnG=G%C3%B6rsellerde+Ara&aq=f&oq= —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.181.43.213 ( talk) 16:24, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
The article mentions that it's called the "Blue Mosque" because of a part of the interior. However, this does not seem to be pictured in any of the current photos, and I cannot find any online. Can somebody rectify this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.237.255.138 ( talk) 11:08, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
Also the "iç avlu" (inner courtyard) pic is added to the section titled "Exterior". A serious effort on pics is needed here. -- E4024 ( talk) 19:34, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
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1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation. | ||
2. Verifiable with no original research: | ||
2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline. | ||
2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose). | ||
2c. it contains no original research. | ||
3. Broad in its coverage: | ||
3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic. | ||
3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style). | ||
4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each. | ||
5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute. | ||
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio: | ||
6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content. | ||
6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions. | ||
7. Overall assessment. | Per WP:RGA, the article have serious issues with sources. Precisely the main source is travel agency website. On top of this, there is probably a serious issue with close paraphrasing or copyright violation because significant portions of the text are simply copied from this agency's website. -- Antidiskriminator ( talk) 19:10, 14 September 2014 (UTC) |
-- Antidiskriminator ( talk) 19:39, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Are there any errors or text that needs improvement mate? elmasmelih 09:17, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
Source - I am concerned about sources used in this article, in particular about http://www.bluemosque.co/. Here is what concerns me:
I would like to hear opinion of nominator ( Elmasmelih) about my above remarks before I decide if this article should be failed without further review.-- Antidiskriminator ( talk) 19:04, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
I understand your concerns mate. How long will you give me to fix these issues? elmasmelih 18:04, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that File:Blue Mosque Courtyard Dusk Wikimedia Commons.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on December 3, 2016. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2016-12-03. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. — Chris Woodrich ( talk) 12:23, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
The text says - ¨The Sultan Ahmed Mosque is one of the two mosques in Turkey that has six minarets (one in the modern Sabancı Mosque in Adana, the Hz. Mikdat Mosque in Mersin, Çamlıca in Üsküdar and the Green mosque in Arnavutköy). ¨ - isn´t that four others, making five in all ? Or am I misreading that ? -- Beardo ( talk) 15:18, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved to Blue Mosque. However, there seems to be support for Blue Mosque, Istanbul, if any editors wish to carry that out. ErikHaugen ( talk | contribs) 18:01, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
– This building is almost universally titled the "Blue Mosque" first, and Sultan Ahmed mosque second, and is the most famous and well-known example of a 'Blue Mosque'. Google blue mosque, you will see this mosque. Google scholar blue mosque, you will see this mosque. Even Turkish sources, when speaking to an international audience use "Blue Mosque" first, e.g.: [1]. I recommend this page becomes the place that Blue Mosque directs to, and the main mention on the Blue Mosque (disambiguation) page. Iskandar323 ( talk) 11:50, 30 November 2021 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran • sign the guestbook • (talk) 15:50, 7 December 2021 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran • sign the guestbook • (talk) 06:09, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
Comment -
this research paper is a good example of how the Blue Mosque is the accepted
WP:COMMONNAME for the structure in English, even when the same (Turkish) authors refer to it as Sultan Ahmet Camii in Turkish (in academic usage, outside of the various parallels already mentioned in the tourism industry).
Sultan Ahmed I may have been in competition with counterparts from "Mughal India".
Both sides intending to construct the finest monuments. 19:42, 13 December 2021 (UTC)~~\\\\~\\\~ 137.59.221.36 ( talk) 19:42, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
Why it an icon ? 41.13.136.217 ( talk) 17:57, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
I'm in the process of revising the article's text and some of its layout. There are numerous problems, mostly minor, but they add up to a lot of necessary cleanup. For example, many parts of the architecture section seem to be close paraphrases of Godfrey Goodwin's well-known book, yet are attributed to a dead-link website. A lot of the images are also repetitive and uninformative, rather than more deliberately curated per the guidelines of MOS:IMAGES.
I don't expect any contentious edits, but if there are any questions about something I did, feel free to ask here, if helpful. (Feel free also to keep an eye out for any typos or format errors I might have missed.) Cheers, R Prazeres ( talk) 20:11, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
I found quite a few of the citations do not actually lead to articles/books that can be accessed. Also, perhaps an image or description of what a sphendone is. Bbonefield ( talk) 04:54, 23 September 2023 (UTC)