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Barrow was founded on the iron and steel industry (plus its potential for a deep-water port and the coming of the railway to allow the export of that iron). Shipbuilding came later. I don't think the town is the administrative capital of Furness. Furness is not an administrative area.
What's this about wind turbines in Morecambe Bay? Are they there now or are they just planned?
Gas being used in the generation of electricity at Barrow: I took out a sentence about this, but then I remembered that Roosecote power station was re-built a few years ago, and I have a feeling it's now a gas-fired station and presumably does therefore take gas direct from the terminal. If that's so perhaps it could be explained - with ref. to Roosecote.
Another point about the gas terminal: When such a terminal was mooted local authorities across the NW were up in arms about the possibility of having it on their doorstep; Barrow wasn't even on the list. Then along came some faceless suit from Barrow and invited BG to apply to locate it in or near the town. BG couldn't believe their luck. From having to defend their proposals and maybe engage in protracted planning and legal battles to get their way, now some numbskull, on behalf of another town, was inviting them in - needless to say they didn't have to think long about the offer. How many people does the terminal employ? If your can write this in a NPOV style then why not put it in the article. I'm afraid I can't! Arcturus 19:19, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
The turbines aren't actually in Moreca,be Bay; they're beginning construction off the coast of Walney, in the Irish sea rather than Morecambe Bay. Currently a few ships out there doing whatever it is they have to do, and if you squint you can see the bottom of the turbines beginning to stick out of the water.
The power station at Roosecote is indeed gas fired, and the gas comes from the terminals via pipes under Walney Island. I think Roosecote is considered part of Barrow, rather than a seperate place. Robdurbar 09:19, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
I think suggesting Barrow remains in some way part of the 'ceremonial county' of Lancashire is more POV and/or incorrect than to mention that many locals do in fact consider the area should still be considered Lancastrian. I have put in as neutral a statement in the intoductory paragraph as I thought fit. But with a reasonable geography section already mentioning the Lancastrian history - it might be sensible not to have County issues raised in the first sentance describing the town Nogwa 02:07, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Barrow is and always will be a part of the Duchy of Lancaster. And you can not seperate the Duchy from the historical county paletine. The Department of the Environment accepted that as such in the 1980's. Cumbria is a false county and it may well be disbanded soon anyway.
On this issue, one of the reasons my own parents and grandparents offered was that since Barrow was part of Cumbria from 1974, most of the adult population were born as Lancastrians and consider the area they were born in as 'traditionally', Lancashire. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.67.92.200 ( talk • contribs) .
I've just re-read this article, having not done so for several months. It is appalling! The standard of writing is that of a primary school pupil. A great deal of work needs doing to bring this up to encyclopedia level. I've tagged it for cleanup and will make a start on a re-write in due course. Arcturus 22:45, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
I don't think DDH is the largest shipbuilding hall in Europe. It is definately the biggest in UK. The biggest hall in Europe is probably this [ [1]]
-- 84.64.16.16 22:00, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Some suggestions regarding the Vickers and Barrow in Furness entries.
First, the shipbuilding activities at Barrow were not limited to naval vessels and considerable numbers of passenger liners and cargo ships produced. Notable amongst the customers were P&O (SS Orsova, SS Orcades, Oriana and others. The Biritish Admiral built for BP was, I think, for a very short period the largest ship in the world. With regard to naval vessels HMS Ajax (WW2), HMS Dreadnought (first RN SSN), HMS Princess Royal(Jutland), HMS Hermes (Falklands) and the Japanese Kongo deserve a mention.
Second, the importance of armaments and heavy machinery needs emphasis. Vickers and later Vickers Armstrong constructed artillery for land service and indeed naval service aboard ships built elsewhere. Examples include guns for KGV class battleships and propulsion for HMS Lion.
Third, the merger of Armstrongs and Vickers was very much a result of the collapse in demand for warships as a result of the limitations on naval construction following WW1.
Fourth, the decline in shipbuilding in the 1960's was very much a reflection of the labour difficulties particularly demarkatîon disputes between rival unions and lack of modern practices.
A link to the Barrow museum photgraphic archive would add value.
John Walkley 8th November 2006
I have removed the gallery because all the images are not free use, until we can get some free ones it's not worth bothering with it.
Most of these photos seem to be in violation of image policies, I'll leave commented so it can be resurrected one day with free use images.<gallery> Image:Vanguard class image.jpg|''Vanguard''-class of four [[Trident missile|Trident]] ballistic missile submarines Image:HMS Manchester (D95) Type 42 destroyer.jpg|[[HMS Manchester|HMS ''Manchester'']], one of three [[Type 42 destroyers]] built by VSEL Image:HMCS Windsor SSK 877.jpg|[[HMCS Chicoutimi (SSK 879)|HMCS ''Chicoutimi'']], [[Victoria class submarine|''Victoria''-class]] attack submarine Image:HMS Invincible (R05).jpg|[[HMS Invincible (R05)|HMS ''Invincible'']] Image:Oriana_Sydney.jpg|[[SS Oriana (1959)|SS ''Oriana'']] [[Cruise Liner]], seen in [[Sydney]], [[Australia]] Image:Melbourne_Midway.jpg|[[HMAS Melbourne (R21)|HMAS ''Melbourne'']] Image:HMS Sheffield (D80).jpg|[[HMS Sheffield (D80)|HMS ''Sheffield'']] Image:HMS Albion (L14).jpg|[[HMS Albion (L14)|HMS ''Albion'']] </gallery> —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kijog ( talk • contribs) 12:39, 5 May 2007 (UTC).
Again the article has descended into a poorly-written entry which features the following (in no particular order):
If you are going to revert any of the changes I have made - please, please reference them. Otherwise there is little point continuing ignoring the most basic policies of Wikipedia. Askam and Ireleth managed to make Good Article status, why can't its bigger brother? Have a look at it to see how it can be done. I'm a Barrovian myself - I would like nothing more to see Barrow's page as a good article, better still a featured one. At the moment it is simply embarrassing. Kijog 22:45, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
I have removed the chronology section, as it is blatantly redundant to the history section. Anything worth keeping can be moved as prose to history, preferably with a reference. The deleted section is below.
- 1845 - Barrow began to grow from a small hamlet.
- 1850 - H.W. Schneider discovered large deposits of iron around Barrow, and soon built the towns first blast furnaces.
- 1865 - Many of Barrow's main buildings are constructed (the Town Hall, Main Post Office and Public Library).
- 1867 - Barrow became a municipal borough.
- 1876 - Barrow was home to the largest steelworks in the world.
- 1889 - Barrow became a county borough.
- 1897 - James Ramsden conceived the idea of the Barrow Shipbuilding Company, which later became Vickers.
- 1901 - The Royal Navy's first submarine , Holland 1, was built in Barrow.
- 1914 - The UK had the most advanced submarine fleet in the world, with 94% of it constructed by Vickers.
- 1931 - Barrow's population peaked at around 77,000.
- 1941 - Barrow and its Docks receive extensive damage from German enemy bombing in World War II.
- 1959 - The UK's first nuclear submarine was built in Barrow - the HMS Dreadnought (S101).
- 1974 - The county borough of Barrow-in-Furness and the Dalton-in-Furness urban district formed to make the Borough of Barrow-in-Furness.
- 1985 - Gas found in the Irish Sea begun to be piped to Rampside.
- 2002 - 7 deaths and 172 cases of Legionnaires' disease were revealed to be from a faulty air-conditioning centre in the town's Forum 28.
- 2004 - At least 21 Chinese immigrant cockle pickers die in nearby Morecambe Bay.
- 2006 - Barrow's council was fined £125 000 for violation of health and safety laws that lead to the deaths of seven people in the UK's worst outbreak of Legionnaires' disease. The council also became the UK's first public body to be charged with corporate manslaughter, but was found not guilty.
- 2006 - Barrow RNLI Lifeboats amongst other are deployed to a helicopter crash site in Morecambe Bay with 6 fatalities and 1 missing.
- 2007 - The British House of Commons votes to renew the Trident missile system, which are to be built in Barrow as it is the only British submarine yard.
Leans very much towards recent events, and some is not Barrow specific at all. J Milburn 10:00, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
Looks a lot like the basic history display in the dock museum for everything up until 1970 aswell Audigex ( talk) 23:29, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
I think we need an entire section on this, probably at the end of the history section, and perhaps a mention in the lead. I say this because this was international news- I was on holiday at the time, and saw it on CNN. It reached the front page of The Times, and, sad though it is, it is one of the most notable events in the history of Barrow. J Milburn 11:32, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
I have merged the trivia section into other relevant sections on the article. I hope it has helped and is satisfactory. I have also created other sections that include information about the legionnaires' outbreak, Barrow's modern history, Barrow in popular culture, as well as condensing information to make the contents at the top less confusing. I am also from Barrow, and will do whatever it takes to show how great it is. Shipbuilding wise, take a look at the newest article I have created, it contains information on almost every ship and submarine built in Barrow, whether it has a wikipedia article or not: List of Ships and Submarines Built in Barrow-in-Furness, UK
We have a hell of a lot of statistics in this article and I question the relevance of most of them. A note, properly referenced, could be made about the ethnicity, place of birth and religion of Barrovians, but I simply don't think we need reams and reams of tables splitting the population up every which way. I know tables can be fiddly to do, so I have left the removed stuff below if we decide to put some stuff back in. Kijog 01:25, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
I have decided to delete the following, there seems to be little appetite to return it to the article. Ki | jog 15:17, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
Can this really be better represented as prose? I think it is best in a list, but a table is possible. I reckon prose just wouldn't be practical to have this as prose- it would be inaccessable, and would just read as it would be- a list converted to prose. Bulking the writing out further would also stretch the section, as there are rather a lot of people there. Anyone have any thoughts? J Milburn 18:24, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Is this the second largest in Europe? The largest in Europe? Anyone have any references? J Milburn 10:33, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm happy for new information to be added to the section, but I think the information is far too detailed to be notable considering the small number of people it concerns. Also, I think the 2001 census results are a stronger source than the 2004 estimates. Some properly referenced content has been deleted to make way for the new breakdown and I'm minded to delete it unless the list can be cleaned up (as per WP:EMBED) and referenced properly. Any thoughts? Ki | jog 12:32, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
I have just come across Category:Barrow A.F.C. players and Category:Barrow A.F.C. managers. It may be worth looking through these for other notable individuals who were born in or who resided in Barrow. I am making a note here because I am currently looking for another reference for Frank McPherson being from Barrow, as the current source is unreliable. J Milburn 16:06, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
I think the subtitles are actually pretty relevant- without them, the history section becomes, in many ways, an inaccessible block of text. I mean, thinking about it from the point of view of a schoolchild researching local history, there is no way they are going to read all of that. However, I see where you are coming from- splitting it up is a little arbitrary, and some similar featured articles I have checked- Weymouth, Sheffield, Birchington-on-Sea- don't have them, BUT, they have much shorter history sections. Perhaps it would look a little better if we split up the text with other things, like pictures- perhaps just moving the middle picture to the left would do the trick. On another note, this isn't looking bad, at all, in comparison to said featured articles. J Milburn 13:59, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
Reviewing featured articles on similar topics, two new sections that could be very useful would be geology and climate. For instance, take a look at this very nice table, I'll see what I can do about knocking up something similar. J Milburn 14:07, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
Walney Airport has a weather station doesn't it? [2] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.107.216.120 ( talk) 18:09, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
After research I have found out that Devonshire Dock Hall actually is the largest shipbuilding Hall in Europe, and not the German one in Stralsund, Germany. Even the official BAE website states that DDH is the largest. I have therefore reverted all the information relating to the Stralsund Shipyard. The sources stating that DDH is the largest in Europe are:
Stralsund (length 300m, width 108m and height 78m) is definitely bigger than DDH (length 260m, width 58m and height 51m). Sources are:
Additionally the new shed for CVF will be lower, narrower and shorter than the DDH.
84.71.61.220 ( talk) 00:18, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
This is clearly a much loved and well maintained article, however, I'm a little concerned with some of the over-adventurous content. For example, I'm not entirely sure an image of a bridge in China is entirely proper. Simillarly, I think a closer look at the WP:UKCITIES standard on layout etc would help here. -- Jza84 · ( talk) 23:36, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
I've added the below to the relevant section... I'm posting here because I'm not sure how to verify the fact for inclusion (although I've lived here for 18 years) - but it's true in hundreds of Barrow homes (at the northern Hawcoat/Ormsgill area) "The signal from Millom is generally of inferior quality, with most households recieving BBC 1 and 2 and ITV at adequate quality, with low quality reception of Channel 4 programs." 89.243.250.194 ( talk) 23:20, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
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I believe it would be better to merge this article with Barrow-in-Furness (borough) (the government district) to lack confusion, a nd make things simpler. An example of such a merge is the Preston article, which has information on the city and district/ borough in one. Please leave your comments below. Stevvvv4444 ( talk) 15:50, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
The reference to the Cornish miners is not correct. The miners were recruited for the Stank and Yarlside mines in the 1870's, which was after the industrial revolution had started in Barrow. See Roose in Wikipedia —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hicbibi ( talk • contribs) 19:27, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
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I have altered the IPA pronunciation of Barrow in Furness to reflect a more realistic standardised version according to Wikipedia's rules on IPA for English. The previous pronunciation ( /ˈbæroʊ ɪn fərˈnɛs/ or locally /ˈbæroʊ ɪn ˈfɜːrns/) gives the impression that FurNESS is the standard pronunciation and local people say FURNS. Both are incorrect. The local pronunciation is always FURness. The area is not well known enough to have gained a 'standard English' pronunciation (like NEWcastle for local NewCAStle), so the local pronunciation is surely the only correct one. Cumbrian author and academic William Rollinson has stated that "Furness is pronounced Furness, not Furness", so it has backing in print. Psammead ( talk) 15:03, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
Just thought I would point out that the mileage you entered is wrong, the distance from Barrow to Liverpool is more like 95 miles and about the same to Carlisle, you put almost half of those distances, thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.5.139.176 ( talk) 00:05, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
I have heard Furness as a surname pronounced like "furnace". However in the Furness article the pronunciation is listed as being "fur-niss" rather than "fur-nəss" so is the name pronounced differently in Barrow to the rest of Furness? As for the pronunciation widely used on the BBC: in the case of Newcastle Upon Tyne the IPA for the RP pronunciation is listed as well as the local accent. Although Furness is not as well known as Newcastle it might make sense to avoid confusion. Tk420 ( talk) 12:44, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
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the article mentions Barrow having concerning figures for incapacity benefit claimants related to mental health problems... this isn't referenced, but either way is long outdated - incapacity benefit no longer exists - so the figure cannot be up to date or currently true..
Hoped somebody can sort this as I lack the capacity to look at it just now! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.166.188.206 ( talk) 05:28, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
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She is notable too, is'nt she? Look at this: BBC on E. Williams. She changed the whole community in Barrow-in-Furness, says Simon Fell cf. "Simon Fell, the MP for Barrow and Furness, said the case had caused huge community tensions in Barrow, with an increase in racist attacks on Asian people and “unofficial surveillance operations” being carried out on Asian businesses." (The Guardian 3th January 2023). -- Cabanero ( talk) 11:20, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
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Barrow was founded on the iron and steel industry (plus its potential for a deep-water port and the coming of the railway to allow the export of that iron). Shipbuilding came later. I don't think the town is the administrative capital of Furness. Furness is not an administrative area.
What's this about wind turbines in Morecambe Bay? Are they there now or are they just planned?
Gas being used in the generation of electricity at Barrow: I took out a sentence about this, but then I remembered that Roosecote power station was re-built a few years ago, and I have a feeling it's now a gas-fired station and presumably does therefore take gas direct from the terminal. If that's so perhaps it could be explained - with ref. to Roosecote.
Another point about the gas terminal: When such a terminal was mooted local authorities across the NW were up in arms about the possibility of having it on their doorstep; Barrow wasn't even on the list. Then along came some faceless suit from Barrow and invited BG to apply to locate it in or near the town. BG couldn't believe their luck. From having to defend their proposals and maybe engage in protracted planning and legal battles to get their way, now some numbskull, on behalf of another town, was inviting them in - needless to say they didn't have to think long about the offer. How many people does the terminal employ? If your can write this in a NPOV style then why not put it in the article. I'm afraid I can't! Arcturus 19:19, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
The turbines aren't actually in Moreca,be Bay; they're beginning construction off the coast of Walney, in the Irish sea rather than Morecambe Bay. Currently a few ships out there doing whatever it is they have to do, and if you squint you can see the bottom of the turbines beginning to stick out of the water.
The power station at Roosecote is indeed gas fired, and the gas comes from the terminals via pipes under Walney Island. I think Roosecote is considered part of Barrow, rather than a seperate place. Robdurbar 09:19, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
I think suggesting Barrow remains in some way part of the 'ceremonial county' of Lancashire is more POV and/or incorrect than to mention that many locals do in fact consider the area should still be considered Lancastrian. I have put in as neutral a statement in the intoductory paragraph as I thought fit. But with a reasonable geography section already mentioning the Lancastrian history - it might be sensible not to have County issues raised in the first sentance describing the town Nogwa 02:07, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Barrow is and always will be a part of the Duchy of Lancaster. And you can not seperate the Duchy from the historical county paletine. The Department of the Environment accepted that as such in the 1980's. Cumbria is a false county and it may well be disbanded soon anyway.
On this issue, one of the reasons my own parents and grandparents offered was that since Barrow was part of Cumbria from 1974, most of the adult population were born as Lancastrians and consider the area they were born in as 'traditionally', Lancashire. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.67.92.200 ( talk • contribs) .
I've just re-read this article, having not done so for several months. It is appalling! The standard of writing is that of a primary school pupil. A great deal of work needs doing to bring this up to encyclopedia level. I've tagged it for cleanup and will make a start on a re-write in due course. Arcturus 22:45, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
I don't think DDH is the largest shipbuilding hall in Europe. It is definately the biggest in UK. The biggest hall in Europe is probably this [ [1]]
-- 84.64.16.16 22:00, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Some suggestions regarding the Vickers and Barrow in Furness entries.
First, the shipbuilding activities at Barrow were not limited to naval vessels and considerable numbers of passenger liners and cargo ships produced. Notable amongst the customers were P&O (SS Orsova, SS Orcades, Oriana and others. The Biritish Admiral built for BP was, I think, for a very short period the largest ship in the world. With regard to naval vessels HMS Ajax (WW2), HMS Dreadnought (first RN SSN), HMS Princess Royal(Jutland), HMS Hermes (Falklands) and the Japanese Kongo deserve a mention.
Second, the importance of armaments and heavy machinery needs emphasis. Vickers and later Vickers Armstrong constructed artillery for land service and indeed naval service aboard ships built elsewhere. Examples include guns for KGV class battleships and propulsion for HMS Lion.
Third, the merger of Armstrongs and Vickers was very much a result of the collapse in demand for warships as a result of the limitations on naval construction following WW1.
Fourth, the decline in shipbuilding in the 1960's was very much a reflection of the labour difficulties particularly demarkatîon disputes between rival unions and lack of modern practices.
A link to the Barrow museum photgraphic archive would add value.
John Walkley 8th November 2006
I have removed the gallery because all the images are not free use, until we can get some free ones it's not worth bothering with it.
Most of these photos seem to be in violation of image policies, I'll leave commented so it can be resurrected one day with free use images.<gallery> Image:Vanguard class image.jpg|''Vanguard''-class of four [[Trident missile|Trident]] ballistic missile submarines Image:HMS Manchester (D95) Type 42 destroyer.jpg|[[HMS Manchester|HMS ''Manchester'']], one of three [[Type 42 destroyers]] built by VSEL Image:HMCS Windsor SSK 877.jpg|[[HMCS Chicoutimi (SSK 879)|HMCS ''Chicoutimi'']], [[Victoria class submarine|''Victoria''-class]] attack submarine Image:HMS Invincible (R05).jpg|[[HMS Invincible (R05)|HMS ''Invincible'']] Image:Oriana_Sydney.jpg|[[SS Oriana (1959)|SS ''Oriana'']] [[Cruise Liner]], seen in [[Sydney]], [[Australia]] Image:Melbourne_Midway.jpg|[[HMAS Melbourne (R21)|HMAS ''Melbourne'']] Image:HMS Sheffield (D80).jpg|[[HMS Sheffield (D80)|HMS ''Sheffield'']] Image:HMS Albion (L14).jpg|[[HMS Albion (L14)|HMS ''Albion'']] </gallery> —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kijog ( talk • contribs) 12:39, 5 May 2007 (UTC).
Again the article has descended into a poorly-written entry which features the following (in no particular order):
If you are going to revert any of the changes I have made - please, please reference them. Otherwise there is little point continuing ignoring the most basic policies of Wikipedia. Askam and Ireleth managed to make Good Article status, why can't its bigger brother? Have a look at it to see how it can be done. I'm a Barrovian myself - I would like nothing more to see Barrow's page as a good article, better still a featured one. At the moment it is simply embarrassing. Kijog 22:45, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
I have removed the chronology section, as it is blatantly redundant to the history section. Anything worth keeping can be moved as prose to history, preferably with a reference. The deleted section is below.
- 1845 - Barrow began to grow from a small hamlet.
- 1850 - H.W. Schneider discovered large deposits of iron around Barrow, and soon built the towns first blast furnaces.
- 1865 - Many of Barrow's main buildings are constructed (the Town Hall, Main Post Office and Public Library).
- 1867 - Barrow became a municipal borough.
- 1876 - Barrow was home to the largest steelworks in the world.
- 1889 - Barrow became a county borough.
- 1897 - James Ramsden conceived the idea of the Barrow Shipbuilding Company, which later became Vickers.
- 1901 - The Royal Navy's first submarine , Holland 1, was built in Barrow.
- 1914 - The UK had the most advanced submarine fleet in the world, with 94% of it constructed by Vickers.
- 1931 - Barrow's population peaked at around 77,000.
- 1941 - Barrow and its Docks receive extensive damage from German enemy bombing in World War II.
- 1959 - The UK's first nuclear submarine was built in Barrow - the HMS Dreadnought (S101).
- 1974 - The county borough of Barrow-in-Furness and the Dalton-in-Furness urban district formed to make the Borough of Barrow-in-Furness.
- 1985 - Gas found in the Irish Sea begun to be piped to Rampside.
- 2002 - 7 deaths and 172 cases of Legionnaires' disease were revealed to be from a faulty air-conditioning centre in the town's Forum 28.
- 2004 - At least 21 Chinese immigrant cockle pickers die in nearby Morecambe Bay.
- 2006 - Barrow's council was fined £125 000 for violation of health and safety laws that lead to the deaths of seven people in the UK's worst outbreak of Legionnaires' disease. The council also became the UK's first public body to be charged with corporate manslaughter, but was found not guilty.
- 2006 - Barrow RNLI Lifeboats amongst other are deployed to a helicopter crash site in Morecambe Bay with 6 fatalities and 1 missing.
- 2007 - The British House of Commons votes to renew the Trident missile system, which are to be built in Barrow as it is the only British submarine yard.
Leans very much towards recent events, and some is not Barrow specific at all. J Milburn 10:00, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
Looks a lot like the basic history display in the dock museum for everything up until 1970 aswell Audigex ( talk) 23:29, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
I think we need an entire section on this, probably at the end of the history section, and perhaps a mention in the lead. I say this because this was international news- I was on holiday at the time, and saw it on CNN. It reached the front page of The Times, and, sad though it is, it is one of the most notable events in the history of Barrow. J Milburn 11:32, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
I have merged the trivia section into other relevant sections on the article. I hope it has helped and is satisfactory. I have also created other sections that include information about the legionnaires' outbreak, Barrow's modern history, Barrow in popular culture, as well as condensing information to make the contents at the top less confusing. I am also from Barrow, and will do whatever it takes to show how great it is. Shipbuilding wise, take a look at the newest article I have created, it contains information on almost every ship and submarine built in Barrow, whether it has a wikipedia article or not: List of Ships and Submarines Built in Barrow-in-Furness, UK
We have a hell of a lot of statistics in this article and I question the relevance of most of them. A note, properly referenced, could be made about the ethnicity, place of birth and religion of Barrovians, but I simply don't think we need reams and reams of tables splitting the population up every which way. I know tables can be fiddly to do, so I have left the removed stuff below if we decide to put some stuff back in. Kijog 01:25, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
I have decided to delete the following, there seems to be little appetite to return it to the article. Ki | jog 15:17, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
Can this really be better represented as prose? I think it is best in a list, but a table is possible. I reckon prose just wouldn't be practical to have this as prose- it would be inaccessable, and would just read as it would be- a list converted to prose. Bulking the writing out further would also stretch the section, as there are rather a lot of people there. Anyone have any thoughts? J Milburn 18:24, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Is this the second largest in Europe? The largest in Europe? Anyone have any references? J Milburn 10:33, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm happy for new information to be added to the section, but I think the information is far too detailed to be notable considering the small number of people it concerns. Also, I think the 2001 census results are a stronger source than the 2004 estimates. Some properly referenced content has been deleted to make way for the new breakdown and I'm minded to delete it unless the list can be cleaned up (as per WP:EMBED) and referenced properly. Any thoughts? Ki | jog 12:32, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
I have just come across Category:Barrow A.F.C. players and Category:Barrow A.F.C. managers. It may be worth looking through these for other notable individuals who were born in or who resided in Barrow. I am making a note here because I am currently looking for another reference for Frank McPherson being from Barrow, as the current source is unreliable. J Milburn 16:06, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
I think the subtitles are actually pretty relevant- without them, the history section becomes, in many ways, an inaccessible block of text. I mean, thinking about it from the point of view of a schoolchild researching local history, there is no way they are going to read all of that. However, I see where you are coming from- splitting it up is a little arbitrary, and some similar featured articles I have checked- Weymouth, Sheffield, Birchington-on-Sea- don't have them, BUT, they have much shorter history sections. Perhaps it would look a little better if we split up the text with other things, like pictures- perhaps just moving the middle picture to the left would do the trick. On another note, this isn't looking bad, at all, in comparison to said featured articles. J Milburn 13:59, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
Reviewing featured articles on similar topics, two new sections that could be very useful would be geology and climate. For instance, take a look at this very nice table, I'll see what I can do about knocking up something similar. J Milburn 14:07, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
Walney Airport has a weather station doesn't it? [2] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.107.216.120 ( talk) 18:09, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
After research I have found out that Devonshire Dock Hall actually is the largest shipbuilding Hall in Europe, and not the German one in Stralsund, Germany. Even the official BAE website states that DDH is the largest. I have therefore reverted all the information relating to the Stralsund Shipyard. The sources stating that DDH is the largest in Europe are:
Stralsund (length 300m, width 108m and height 78m) is definitely bigger than DDH (length 260m, width 58m and height 51m). Sources are:
Additionally the new shed for CVF will be lower, narrower and shorter than the DDH.
84.71.61.220 ( talk) 00:18, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
This is clearly a much loved and well maintained article, however, I'm a little concerned with some of the over-adventurous content. For example, I'm not entirely sure an image of a bridge in China is entirely proper. Simillarly, I think a closer look at the WP:UKCITIES standard on layout etc would help here. -- Jza84 · ( talk) 23:36, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
I've added the below to the relevant section... I'm posting here because I'm not sure how to verify the fact for inclusion (although I've lived here for 18 years) - but it's true in hundreds of Barrow homes (at the northern Hawcoat/Ormsgill area) "The signal from Millom is generally of inferior quality, with most households recieving BBC 1 and 2 and ITV at adequate quality, with low quality reception of Channel 4 programs." 89.243.250.194 ( talk) 23:20, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
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I believe it would be better to merge this article with Barrow-in-Furness (borough) (the government district) to lack confusion, a nd make things simpler. An example of such a merge is the Preston article, which has information on the city and district/ borough in one. Please leave your comments below. Stevvvv4444 ( talk) 15:50, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
The reference to the Cornish miners is not correct. The miners were recruited for the Stank and Yarlside mines in the 1870's, which was after the industrial revolution had started in Barrow. See Roose in Wikipedia —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hicbibi ( talk • contribs) 19:27, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
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I have altered the IPA pronunciation of Barrow in Furness to reflect a more realistic standardised version according to Wikipedia's rules on IPA for English. The previous pronunciation ( /ˈbæroʊ ɪn fərˈnɛs/ or locally /ˈbæroʊ ɪn ˈfɜːrns/) gives the impression that FurNESS is the standard pronunciation and local people say FURNS. Both are incorrect. The local pronunciation is always FURness. The area is not well known enough to have gained a 'standard English' pronunciation (like NEWcastle for local NewCAStle), so the local pronunciation is surely the only correct one. Cumbrian author and academic William Rollinson has stated that "Furness is pronounced Furness, not Furness", so it has backing in print. Psammead ( talk) 15:03, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
Just thought I would point out that the mileage you entered is wrong, the distance from Barrow to Liverpool is more like 95 miles and about the same to Carlisle, you put almost half of those distances, thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.5.139.176 ( talk) 00:05, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
I have heard Furness as a surname pronounced like "furnace". However in the Furness article the pronunciation is listed as being "fur-niss" rather than "fur-nəss" so is the name pronounced differently in Barrow to the rest of Furness? As for the pronunciation widely used on the BBC: in the case of Newcastle Upon Tyne the IPA for the RP pronunciation is listed as well as the local accent. Although Furness is not as well known as Newcastle it might make sense to avoid confusion. Tk420 ( talk) 12:44, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
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the article mentions Barrow having concerning figures for incapacity benefit claimants related to mental health problems... this isn't referenced, but either way is long outdated - incapacity benefit no longer exists - so the figure cannot be up to date or currently true..
Hoped somebody can sort this as I lack the capacity to look at it just now! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.166.188.206 ( talk) 05:28, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
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She is notable too, is'nt she? Look at this: BBC on E. Williams. She changed the whole community in Barrow-in-Furness, says Simon Fell cf. "Simon Fell, the MP for Barrow and Furness, said the case had caused huge community tensions in Barrow, with an increase in racist attacks on Asian people and “unofficial surveillance operations” being carried out on Asian businesses." (The Guardian 3th January 2023). -- Cabanero ( talk) 11:20, 4 January 2023 (UTC)