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so BAldwin married his mother? yes or no?
Did baldwin wear a metal mask?
were the templar knights mere mercenaries,compared to todays thought that they were trusted knights,of some importance.and there to protect the royal house of baldwin
What is the correct spelling of Raynald or Reynald?
Did Baldwin IV really refuse the Last Sacraments of the Catholic Church, as depicted in the Kingdom of Heaven movie? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.20.243.177 ( talk) 14:13, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
The date 16 March 1185 is footnoted to thepeerage.com, which isn't a reliable source. Other wikis have "March 1185" (e.g. the German) or just "1185" (e.g. the French). I propose to remove the precise date, because, unless I'm mistaken, there's no reliable source for that. Is there a reliable source for "March" or do we have to go back to "1185"? And rew D alby 16:17, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
I found a source stating that Joscelin III and Sibylla "garrisoned Jerusalem with loyal troops and barred Raymond from the funeral". Would this be enough to put this as a citation for the one needed concerning Joscelin III's loyalty? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sobrion1 ( talk • contribs) 23:44, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
Santasa99 The reason I made that edit was because Saladin was the sultan of both Egypt and Syria. The way it reads now:
" Ayyubid ruler of Egypt, sultan Saladin"
is both redundant and incomplete. I suggest: the Ayyubid sultan Saladin. Dr. Grampinator ( talk) 17:43, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Johannes Schade ( talk · contribs) 12:42, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
Welcome Good day User:Surtsicna: I will be your reviewer for this, the first GA nomination of the article Baldwin IV of Jerusalem. As you know, I am an apprentice-reviewer, much less experienced than you. Also consider that I have no prior knowledge of the subject. Please tell me when I go wrong. I see the article is rated "C-Class" at present. The prose is 27 kB (4557 words). I applied the Rater script the article, which rated it "B or higher" with a confidence of 97.7%. This sounds all very positive.
I start a first traverse.
|alt=
parameter?... after his father died and he became king in 1174.. - I suggest "... after he succeeded his father in 1174." or similar. You will find a better formulation.
the king and nobleman. - I suggest "the King together with the nobleman", or "the King together with Lord", or "the King together with Seigneur", or similar. You will find better. Should not the word "king" be capitalised as "King" when it is The king? Should not the definite article be repeated unless the precise title is given; the question being what Châtillon's correct title was at that time: lord , seigneur, or else? You are the subject expert. I found "king and nobleman" confusing because on first view I interpreted it as meaning that Châtillon was king.
large fraction of nobility. - I suggest "large fraction of the nobility" (definite article added).
he was capable of uniting quarreling nobility.- I suggest "he was capable of uniting the quarreling nobility." (definite article added). Note that the form "quarreling" is American English and must be changed should British English be chosen above as the article's dialect.
More to come. With thanks and best regards, Johannes Schade ( talk) 12:42, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
I find the 1st paragraph is too short to adequately cover its subject, the birth, origins, and childhood until his father's 2nd marriage.
... was the count of Jaffa and Ascalon.. - I suggest to change to "... was then count of Jaffa and Ascalon and the only brother of the reigning King Baldwin III." or a similar better formulation by you. The replacement "the [[count" to "then [[count" would serve to stress that his father would not stay count but rise.
Hamilton 2005, p. 23. - This is the first citation in the nomination. It cites Hamilton (2005), which can be previewed in Google Books. I checked text-source integrity (WP:INTEGRITY) against the source.
Hamilton 2005, p. 26. - This is the second citation from Hamilton. I wanted to make another text-source integrity spot check, but page 26 is not part of the preview in Google Books. I could ask you to provide me with the relevant excerpt as you probably have this book on your shelf. However, I would rather that we could agree to change from the 2005 edition to the 2000 edition, which can be read entirely in Internet Archive. A couple of cross-checks seem to show that the text and the page numbers are identical in the two editions. Only the years of publication in the {{ Sfn}}s and the description of the book in the source list would need to be adapted. You would also make it easier for readers and future reviewers to look up that source.
... who joked that his christening present to his nephew was the Kingdom of Jerusalem.. - I suggest to change "was" to "would be" (future in the past) to stress that it would happen later.
The king was then young and married, but died childless in 1163.. - I suggest to explain in more detail by changing to "The king was then 31 and had just married. A nephew's succession looked therefore unlikely, but he died childless two years later and was succeeded by his brother Amalric, Baldwin's father, in 1163."
The High Court forced Amalric to agree to an annulment of his marriage to Baldwin's mother, Agnes of Courtenay, in order to be accepted as king.- The High Court's demand is not understandable without explaining that his parents had been cousins and had married without asking for an exemption. The article Agnes of Courtenay discusses the posibility that there were also other reasons.
Amalric succeeded in having his and Agnes's children, Sibylla and Baldwin, declared legitimate.- Consider adding "despite the annulment" at the end of the sentence. The article about Maria Komnene, Queen of Jerusalem says Amalric successfully appealed to Pope Alexander III to keep Sibylla and Baldwin legitimate.
Baldwin grew up without a mother and seldom saw his sister, Sibylla .... - Somewhere it should be explained what became of his mother and why he could not see her.
More to come, greetings, Johannes Schade ( talk) 21:43, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
The Kingdom of Jerusalem and other crusader states were ruled by Frank ...- Surely important introductory information, but I feel it comes too late here. I would insert this and other introductory material after the 2nd sentence of the 1st paragraph. It would also be nice if the 1st sentence could give a place of birth in addition to a birthdate. I feel the father should be introduced with more detail which probably would take the form of one or more sentences after the 2nd sentence. Then an introduction of his mother. Only then the anecdote about is uncles christening present.
Hamilton 2000, pp 57–58- The citation gives an error. There was once a source Hamilton 2000 in the atricle. As explained above I feel we should come back to this edition of Hamilton's "The Leper King" because it can be read in entirety at Internet Archive. Please correct.
More to come, Johannes Schade Johannes Schade ( talk) 11:59, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
Sancerre- I suggest to change this to "Sancerre, France," for clarity. The text should be understandable without forcing the reader to follow links. I had not known where Sancerre was and wondered whether it was in France or in one of the Crusader states.
Hamilton 2005, p. 31- Another page not accessible in Google books.
Hamilton 2005, p. 32- Another page not accessible in Google books.
Hamilton 2005, p. 32- Another page not accessible in Google books.
Hamilton 2005, p. 38- Another page not accessible in Google books.
Hamilton 2005, p. 31- Another page not accessible in Google books.
Runciman 1952, p. 404- This is the first citation from Runciman (1852) Volume 2. The book can be read at Internet Archive. Please ad the parameter
|url=
with value @
https://archive.org/details/historyofcrusade0002runc/@ to its description in the source list.Female succession ...- This sentence sounds as if females could only succeed to the throne if they were married and major. Neither the former not the latter is true. Try to be clearer. I think you are trying here to explain what would have happened had Baldwin been excluded for leprosy. I suggest Say so. State what the succession rule was, if you can find this somewhere.
Hamilton 2005, p. 40- Another page not accessible in Google books.
Hamilton 2005, p. 40–41- Another page not accessible in Google books.
Hamilton 2005, p. 32- Another page not accessible in Google books.
Hamilton 2005, p. 41- Another page not accessible in Google books.
15 July was chosen ...- It looks awkward to start a sentence with a number in digits. Write the number out or better reformulate. PLease give a complete date inclusive the year (1174) as the year had not yet been mentioned in the present paragraph or even section (Normally you can drop the year out of subsequent dates in the same paragraph if it is the same year.)
More to come, Johannes Schade ( talk) 20:32, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
Another remark: Wikipedia has an article about the 2005 movie Kingdom of Heaven (film) by Ridley Scott. It could perhaps be mentioned in a section "In fiction", but the film is fiction and deviates widely from known history in many respects.
... from his second marriage Amalric had two daughters, of which only Isabella survived infancy.. - I suggest to turn this part of the sentence around and introduce the term "half-sister": "... he had two half-sisters from his father's second marriage of which only Isabella survived infancy."
Runciman 1952, p. 404. - This is the first citation of Runciman. Add the
|url=
and set it to "
https://archive.org/details/historyofcrusade0002runc/".... but Sibylla was an unmarried adolescent and Isabella only two years old.- I suggest you try to clarify. What should this mean? The text says that female succession was allowed, but this formulation might be interpreted to mean that female succession was only possible if the candidate was major and married. I doubt that this was so. I would think that if Baldwin IV had died before Baldwin V's birth, Sibylla would have been queen. This was indeed what happened when Baldwin V died young. The succession rule seems to have been the nearest relative but brothers before sisters. Don't you agree? Some sources say the monarch was elected by the High Court, but the High Court seems to have always followed the succession rule, except perhaps when Baldwin II succeeded Baldwin I. Those were quite distant relatives and their relationship seems not to be well established.
More to come, Johannes Schade ( talk) 14:25, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
15 July was chosen rather than a Sunday .... - I suggest you try to clarify. The sentence does not make sense, but Hamilton 2005 p 41–42 explains all this very well. The reader should not be forced to look up the source to understand the text.
... and succeed in claiming regency as the king's closest kinsman.. - You mean "succeeded". It would be good to explain that Raymond III was Barldwin's 2nd cousin once removed and t(Lead) hat the common ancestor was his great-grandfather King Baldwin II.
Mitchell 2005, p. 249. - This is the first citation from Mitchell's contribution in Hamilton's book. Add the
|pages=
and set it to "245–258". Replace the value in the |url=
with "
https://archive.org/details/historyofcrusade0002runc/".William of Montferrat. - I suggest to explain that William of Montferrat was the eldest son of William V, Marquis of Montferrat in Piedmont, NW Italy.
... Baldwin reached the age of majority .... - I suggest you explain that majority was attained at 15 in the Kingdom of Jerusalem.
... in a raid of the Beqaa Valley, .... - I suggest you explain "Beqaa Valley, in modern Lebanon,".
More to come, Johannes Schade ( talk) 20:56, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
I have inserted a suggestion in the section Childhood about changing from Hamilton 2005 to Hamilton 2000. Please have a look. More to come. Thanks and best regards, Johannes Schade ( talk) 21:17, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
Dear User:Surtsicna please act on the outstanding suggestions. Best regards, Johannes Schade ( talk) 08:30, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
Dear User:Surtsicna, thanks for your fixes. Please act on the following problems that still exist in the parts covered above before we progress further" -quarreling -> quarrelling Johannes Schade ( talk) 08:50, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
Dear Surtsicna. There has not been activity on this review since a long time. I am failing this. I am afraid I havebeen too demanding and have been tiring you out of this. I hope you can find a better reviewer and get the GA that you merit. I still believe that the article starts off too fast and needs a more explicit introduction of Bardwin's family background in the first section. With best wishes, Johannes Schade ( talk) 09:32, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
O que leprosos usavam no rosto para encobrir as suas feridas, é possível que baldwin tenha usado algo para esconde-las? Abwiwjd82929we ( talk) 09:56, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
Idk 2A0D:6FC7:55E:E225:81CE:2D5F:C6A8:B644 ( talk) 10:12, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
In light of the recent edit-warring, I would say it's pretty easily to find discussion of his ancestry in his biography (Hamilton, pg. 57, mentions "Armenian great-grandmothers on both sides of his family"), but I also don't think this is particularly relevant for Baldwin IV. Why mention it here instead of in Amalric's article? Or Sibylla's? It's far more relevant for the articles about previous generations of his family. Adam Bishop ( talk) 17:42, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
bro you are yapping quit adding stuff 96.40.37.185 ( talk) 23:08, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
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Baldwin IV of Jerusalem was nominated as a History good article, but it did not meet the good article criteria at the time (June 2, 2022). There are suggestions on the review page for improving the article. If you can improve it, please do; it may then be renominated. |
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so BAldwin married his mother? yes or no?
Did baldwin wear a metal mask?
were the templar knights mere mercenaries,compared to todays thought that they were trusted knights,of some importance.and there to protect the royal house of baldwin
What is the correct spelling of Raynald or Reynald?
Did Baldwin IV really refuse the Last Sacraments of the Catholic Church, as depicted in the Kingdom of Heaven movie? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.20.243.177 ( talk) 14:13, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
The date 16 March 1185 is footnoted to thepeerage.com, which isn't a reliable source. Other wikis have "March 1185" (e.g. the German) or just "1185" (e.g. the French). I propose to remove the precise date, because, unless I'm mistaken, there's no reliable source for that. Is there a reliable source for "March" or do we have to go back to "1185"? And rew D alby 16:17, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
I found a source stating that Joscelin III and Sibylla "garrisoned Jerusalem with loyal troops and barred Raymond from the funeral". Would this be enough to put this as a citation for the one needed concerning Joscelin III's loyalty? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sobrion1 ( talk • contribs) 23:44, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
Santasa99 The reason I made that edit was because Saladin was the sultan of both Egypt and Syria. The way it reads now:
" Ayyubid ruler of Egypt, sultan Saladin"
is both redundant and incomplete. I suggest: the Ayyubid sultan Saladin. Dr. Grampinator ( talk) 17:43, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Johannes Schade ( talk · contribs) 12:42, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
Welcome Good day User:Surtsicna: I will be your reviewer for this, the first GA nomination of the article Baldwin IV of Jerusalem. As you know, I am an apprentice-reviewer, much less experienced than you. Also consider that I have no prior knowledge of the subject. Please tell me when I go wrong. I see the article is rated "C-Class" at present. The prose is 27 kB (4557 words). I applied the Rater script the article, which rated it "B or higher" with a confidence of 97.7%. This sounds all very positive.
I start a first traverse.
|alt=
parameter?... after his father died and he became king in 1174.. - I suggest "... after he succeeded his father in 1174." or similar. You will find a better formulation.
the king and nobleman. - I suggest "the King together with the nobleman", or "the King together with Lord", or "the King together with Seigneur", or similar. You will find better. Should not the word "king" be capitalised as "King" when it is The king? Should not the definite article be repeated unless the precise title is given; the question being what Châtillon's correct title was at that time: lord , seigneur, or else? You are the subject expert. I found "king and nobleman" confusing because on first view I interpreted it as meaning that Châtillon was king.
large fraction of nobility. - I suggest "large fraction of the nobility" (definite article added).
he was capable of uniting quarreling nobility.- I suggest "he was capable of uniting the quarreling nobility." (definite article added). Note that the form "quarreling" is American English and must be changed should British English be chosen above as the article's dialect.
More to come. With thanks and best regards, Johannes Schade ( talk) 12:42, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
I find the 1st paragraph is too short to adequately cover its subject, the birth, origins, and childhood until his father's 2nd marriage.
... was the count of Jaffa and Ascalon.. - I suggest to change to "... was then count of Jaffa and Ascalon and the only brother of the reigning King Baldwin III." or a similar better formulation by you. The replacement "the [[count" to "then [[count" would serve to stress that his father would not stay count but rise.
Hamilton 2005, p. 23. - This is the first citation in the nomination. It cites Hamilton (2005), which can be previewed in Google Books. I checked text-source integrity (WP:INTEGRITY) against the source.
Hamilton 2005, p. 26. - This is the second citation from Hamilton. I wanted to make another text-source integrity spot check, but page 26 is not part of the preview in Google Books. I could ask you to provide me with the relevant excerpt as you probably have this book on your shelf. However, I would rather that we could agree to change from the 2005 edition to the 2000 edition, which can be read entirely in Internet Archive. A couple of cross-checks seem to show that the text and the page numbers are identical in the two editions. Only the years of publication in the {{ Sfn}}s and the description of the book in the source list would need to be adapted. You would also make it easier for readers and future reviewers to look up that source.
... who joked that his christening present to his nephew was the Kingdom of Jerusalem.. - I suggest to change "was" to "would be" (future in the past) to stress that it would happen later.
The king was then young and married, but died childless in 1163.. - I suggest to explain in more detail by changing to "The king was then 31 and had just married. A nephew's succession looked therefore unlikely, but he died childless two years later and was succeeded by his brother Amalric, Baldwin's father, in 1163."
The High Court forced Amalric to agree to an annulment of his marriage to Baldwin's mother, Agnes of Courtenay, in order to be accepted as king.- The High Court's demand is not understandable without explaining that his parents had been cousins and had married without asking for an exemption. The article Agnes of Courtenay discusses the posibility that there were also other reasons.
Amalric succeeded in having his and Agnes's children, Sibylla and Baldwin, declared legitimate.- Consider adding "despite the annulment" at the end of the sentence. The article about Maria Komnene, Queen of Jerusalem says Amalric successfully appealed to Pope Alexander III to keep Sibylla and Baldwin legitimate.
Baldwin grew up without a mother and seldom saw his sister, Sibylla .... - Somewhere it should be explained what became of his mother and why he could not see her.
More to come, greetings, Johannes Schade ( talk) 21:43, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
The Kingdom of Jerusalem and other crusader states were ruled by Frank ...- Surely important introductory information, but I feel it comes too late here. I would insert this and other introductory material after the 2nd sentence of the 1st paragraph. It would also be nice if the 1st sentence could give a place of birth in addition to a birthdate. I feel the father should be introduced with more detail which probably would take the form of one or more sentences after the 2nd sentence. Then an introduction of his mother. Only then the anecdote about is uncles christening present.
Hamilton 2000, pp 57–58- The citation gives an error. There was once a source Hamilton 2000 in the atricle. As explained above I feel we should come back to this edition of Hamilton's "The Leper King" because it can be read in entirety at Internet Archive. Please correct.
More to come, Johannes Schade Johannes Schade ( talk) 11:59, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
Sancerre- I suggest to change this to "Sancerre, France," for clarity. The text should be understandable without forcing the reader to follow links. I had not known where Sancerre was and wondered whether it was in France or in one of the Crusader states.
Hamilton 2005, p. 31- Another page not accessible in Google books.
Hamilton 2005, p. 32- Another page not accessible in Google books.
Hamilton 2005, p. 32- Another page not accessible in Google books.
Hamilton 2005, p. 38- Another page not accessible in Google books.
Hamilton 2005, p. 31- Another page not accessible in Google books.
Runciman 1952, p. 404- This is the first citation from Runciman (1852) Volume 2. The book can be read at Internet Archive. Please ad the parameter
|url=
with value @
https://archive.org/details/historyofcrusade0002runc/@ to its description in the source list.Female succession ...- This sentence sounds as if females could only succeed to the throne if they were married and major. Neither the former not the latter is true. Try to be clearer. I think you are trying here to explain what would have happened had Baldwin been excluded for leprosy. I suggest Say so. State what the succession rule was, if you can find this somewhere.
Hamilton 2005, p. 40- Another page not accessible in Google books.
Hamilton 2005, p. 40–41- Another page not accessible in Google books.
Hamilton 2005, p. 32- Another page not accessible in Google books.
Hamilton 2005, p. 41- Another page not accessible in Google books.
15 July was chosen ...- It looks awkward to start a sentence with a number in digits. Write the number out or better reformulate. PLease give a complete date inclusive the year (1174) as the year had not yet been mentioned in the present paragraph or even section (Normally you can drop the year out of subsequent dates in the same paragraph if it is the same year.)
More to come, Johannes Schade ( talk) 20:32, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
Another remark: Wikipedia has an article about the 2005 movie Kingdom of Heaven (film) by Ridley Scott. It could perhaps be mentioned in a section "In fiction", but the film is fiction and deviates widely from known history in many respects.
... from his second marriage Amalric had two daughters, of which only Isabella survived infancy.. - I suggest to turn this part of the sentence around and introduce the term "half-sister": "... he had two half-sisters from his father's second marriage of which only Isabella survived infancy."
Runciman 1952, p. 404. - This is the first citation of Runciman. Add the
|url=
and set it to "
https://archive.org/details/historyofcrusade0002runc/".... but Sibylla was an unmarried adolescent and Isabella only two years old.- I suggest you try to clarify. What should this mean? The text says that female succession was allowed, but this formulation might be interpreted to mean that female succession was only possible if the candidate was major and married. I doubt that this was so. I would think that if Baldwin IV had died before Baldwin V's birth, Sibylla would have been queen. This was indeed what happened when Baldwin V died young. The succession rule seems to have been the nearest relative but brothers before sisters. Don't you agree? Some sources say the monarch was elected by the High Court, but the High Court seems to have always followed the succession rule, except perhaps when Baldwin II succeeded Baldwin I. Those were quite distant relatives and their relationship seems not to be well established.
More to come, Johannes Schade ( talk) 14:25, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
15 July was chosen rather than a Sunday .... - I suggest you try to clarify. The sentence does not make sense, but Hamilton 2005 p 41–42 explains all this very well. The reader should not be forced to look up the source to understand the text.
... and succeed in claiming regency as the king's closest kinsman.. - You mean "succeeded". It would be good to explain that Raymond III was Barldwin's 2nd cousin once removed and t(Lead) hat the common ancestor was his great-grandfather King Baldwin II.
Mitchell 2005, p. 249. - This is the first citation from Mitchell's contribution in Hamilton's book. Add the
|pages=
and set it to "245–258". Replace the value in the |url=
with "
https://archive.org/details/historyofcrusade0002runc/".William of Montferrat. - I suggest to explain that William of Montferrat was the eldest son of William V, Marquis of Montferrat in Piedmont, NW Italy.
... Baldwin reached the age of majority .... - I suggest you explain that majority was attained at 15 in the Kingdom of Jerusalem.
... in a raid of the Beqaa Valley, .... - I suggest you explain "Beqaa Valley, in modern Lebanon,".
More to come, Johannes Schade ( talk) 20:56, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
I have inserted a suggestion in the section Childhood about changing from Hamilton 2005 to Hamilton 2000. Please have a look. More to come. Thanks and best regards, Johannes Schade ( talk) 21:17, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
Dear User:Surtsicna please act on the outstanding suggestions. Best regards, Johannes Schade ( talk) 08:30, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
Dear User:Surtsicna, thanks for your fixes. Please act on the following problems that still exist in the parts covered above before we progress further" -quarreling -> quarrelling Johannes Schade ( talk) 08:50, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
Dear Surtsicna. There has not been activity on this review since a long time. I am failing this. I am afraid I havebeen too demanding and have been tiring you out of this. I hope you can find a better reviewer and get the GA that you merit. I still believe that the article starts off too fast and needs a more explicit introduction of Bardwin's family background in the first section. With best wishes, Johannes Schade ( talk) 09:32, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
O que leprosos usavam no rosto para encobrir as suas feridas, é possível que baldwin tenha usado algo para esconde-las? Abwiwjd82929we ( talk) 09:56, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
Idk 2A0D:6FC7:55E:E225:81CE:2D5F:C6A8:B644 ( talk) 10:12, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
In light of the recent edit-warring, I would say it's pretty easily to find discussion of his ancestry in his biography (Hamilton, pg. 57, mentions "Armenian great-grandmothers on both sides of his family"), but I also don't think this is particularly relevant for Baldwin IV. Why mention it here instead of in Amalric's article? Or Sibylla's? It's far more relevant for the articles about previous generations of his family. Adam Bishop ( talk) 17:42, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
bro you are yapping quit adding stuff 96.40.37.185 ( talk) 23:08, 6 April 2024 (UTC)