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There seems to be some dispute as to wether or not Ayane was the victor of the third Dead or Alive tournament. Noting the end movie of Dead or Alive 3 fighter [ [1]Zack], he is seen with a large check from the DoA tournament and betting it all at a casino. The opening movie to DoA:Xtreme Beach Volleyball shows this exact same ending and continues to show Zack winning and buying Zack island. Eventually Zack Island sinks and as a result Zack is left in severe debt, which is his reasons for entering the Dead or Alive 4 tournament, as seen not only in Zack's wiki but in the manual itself. So the storyline of DoA:XBV is in fact, canon. Zack did win the third tournament and Ayane did not. - Dullaware
I see, It was my understanding that Itagaki (the creator of DOA) had said that Ayane won DOA3. However untill I can find a credible source, I will not begin an edit war, you may do as you please. -- Psi edit 20:43, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
DOA4 makes it obvious that Zack won the DOA3 tournament, and that DOAX is canon in the story. However, I think Ayane's DOA3 could still have happened. In the first place, all that is shown in Ayane's DOA3 ending is her burning Genra's body. This is not proof that she necessarily defeated him at all, she is just giving him proper funeral rites. She could have collected the body after Zack defeated him. Of perhaps she defeated Genra, but then Zack defeated her to win the tournament? It's not crystal clear, but at any rate, there's nothing in Ayane's ending that makes it clear that she won the tournament or even fought against Genra.
For DOA4's canon story to make sense, Helena must have won the DOA3 tournament. So, there's your answer. Maybe before DOA4 was made it was intended for Ayane to be the official winner, but via DOA4, the winner must be Helena - any other result means that all of DOA4 can't happen. Speaking of which tons of the stuff written here that's referred to as being in the canon is horribly inaccurate and/or completely made-up like some fanfiction writer's dream scenario. This whole page needs re-writing pretty much.
"Ayane is not a morning person." is a verifiable personality trait. 152.3.141.143 14:04, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Excuse me but THe Xbox Ninja Gaiden and DOA do take place in the same universe. And at no point in Ninja Gaiden does Ryu Haybusa die. It has been said numerous times that Ninja Gaiden is a prequel to Dead or Alive 1 so there is no real continuity error. Disregard the Nintendo Ninja Gaidens. I'm going to edit this section, based on information straight from the games. Rayfire 19:00, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
I would just like to say that, being the one who included the information about Ayane's name and the link to irises, that you have made a mistake to mindlessly delete my contribution. Firstly, "Ayane" is a variant spelling of "Ayame", and don't forget the 'm' or 'n' is chosen by the translator who writes the name in English, both names could be spelt exactly the same in Japanese. Secondly, regardless of whether all irises are purple or not, the PURPLE IRIS at the end of DOA 2 and in the Kasumi/Ayane FMV movie in DOA: Ultimate makes it clear that the purple iris is Ayane's symbol (and guess what, she just so happens to have purple hair and a name very similar if not identical to one meaning 'iris'!) You guys are so pedantic and picky about not allowing other people to add to articles it verges on ridiculous. Maybe, just maybe, someone else might know a thing or two as well, but pedantry and megolamania are incurable conditions! JJ
It's not my own speculation I assure you. I remember the designers of DOA saying that when DOA: Ultimate is released it will reveal the importance of the purple iris seen in Kasumi's DOA 2 ending. Like I said, it's in the Kasumi/Ayane background movie in DOA: U, and it would be a reasonable assessment to say the significance the designers mentioned was that it signifies Ayane. Is there no-one else who got this too and can back me up? 80.41.44.254 17:14, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Dead or Alive Ultimate was released on the XBox two years ago! 80.43.57.68 23:44, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
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For Kasumi too. -- Asperchu ( talk) 11:59, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
Like maybe a cropped version of "I'm a fighter" from DOA5, for example. Possibly also some more illustrations. -- 194.145.185.229 ( talk) 17:14, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
Because apparently it's needed to be started, so be it. -- Niemti ( talk) 10:09, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
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I don't have this book. Being second to Tina is irrevelant, maybe it also changed since then. A winner, yes. Raidou indeed turns into a monster/demon, Project Epsilonis DOA2 plot thing. [2] In Strikeforce she's literally an NPC (and there should be some better sources for this). The plot of Orochi 3 does not make sense. I'm not a master of English grammar, so I don't know. Film portrayal reception is in Reception. No, actually 1 would be enough. Just a section summary (maybe too strong). Underage - she's only 14-16 in most games, 18 only in DOA5. -- Niemti ( talk) 14:09, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
DOA officially always uses "shinobi" (shinobi is actually a historically correct term, too). Dragon Sword is extremely important thing in the Ninja Gaiden series - even the original title was Ninja Ryukenden ("ninja dragon sword story'). It's the number one plot device and main weaponin the series for almost a quarter of century, of course it's "going to mean". -- Niemti ( talk) 22:01, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
I think the relevant info is in Ninja Gaiden's and Ryu's articles (or should be). I don't know which English, or even how exactly different it is. -- Niemti ( talk) 06:05, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
That's just a simple telling of what happens. Citing this GameSpy quote, she's seemingly like "an uptight bitch with a massive chip on her shoulder" except not really/enitirely, and yes she actually has empathy. And by at the end of DOA5 they (and also Hayate) are reconciling entirely, which also means Kasumi will be no longer pursued. -- Niemti ( talk) 09:42, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
The Dragon Sword is a plot device of the series. It was originally titled "Ninja Dragon Sword Story" and even one of the recent games is titled Ninja Gaiden: Dragon Sword (which is also where the Eye of the Dragon plot device comes from). Just explaining all this would be enough. Ninpo = special ninja technique / "ninja magic", it's always officially "ninpo" in the games. The one in question is actually this. -- Niemti ( talk) 05:40, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
Shouldnt we use an image from dead or alive in the infobox? She's much more relevant in that series than in ninja gaiden plus she debuted in dead or alive series. Lucia Black ( talk) 18:05, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
Enough with the edit warring over the images. Discuss here with some actual rationales (and not I-own-this-article). There is a comment above arguing for the use of a DOA image in the lead: consensus is leaning that way and the DOA image should be kept for now. bridies ( talk) 05:15, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
I don't know what are you saying about Kasumi's image (which was uploaded by me, too), but the infobox picture being a "certified" promotional image means it's surely much more acceptable on Wikipedia than just something that was found on and taken from Wikia (which is not quite a reliable source to just transfer on to Wikipedia). The "older game" shows her original appearance (before the redesign) and allows people to compare, plus informs about how it also appears in another game and how, all while having the DOA5 costume actually shown all along, with it being well placed as to compare with the film version of Ayane, too. It was all quite well thought by me, see? Now, if you have something to CONTRIBUTE to the article... -- Niemti ( talk) 17:39, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
I would remind Anddo that it is his/her responsibility to obtain consensus for changing the image. It doesn't work that you edit war to alter something, and then demand that it remains until it is discussed. -- Escape Orbit (Talk) 20:49, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
She was introduced in DOA and she was a main character in a DOA game. For example, Cloud is a final fantasy 7 character that appeared in other games aswell. She is more relevant to DOA than NG easily. Lucia Black ( talk) 19:15, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
Nicely explained, Lucia Black. A character only really belongs in the original franchise he debuted in. -- Anddo ( talk) 23:41, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
It is irrelevant that she was playable out of 4 over another series that feature 25. The most common form of ayane is DOA. Lucia Black ( talk) 22:40, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
Niemti, your argument is that Ayane is as important in NG as she is in DoA? Have you played a DoA in your life? She has actual plot in every individual release of that series, while in NG she's literally throwaway. Eye candy to compliment Ryu's story. She is an NG character, sure, but her DoA appearances were far more prevalent and substance-based. I vote to keep "Ayane (Dead or Alive)", and keep the image. There is no reason for us to assume she's a general Tecmo character when you have no proof. Show me a direct quote from the company claiming that Ayane has equal significance in both franchises. The proof is in the pudding, right? Cheers, -- Anddo ( talk) 00:28, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
Compared to the two images shown in the article, the two have distinct faces. So compared to the two we have, yes. Also considering she appeared more in DOA than any other series, the evolution of her appearance is more related to graphics update. So choosing between the two its still DOA version. And again....reception is more.related to the DOA version. Lucia Black ( talk) 01:52, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
Here are the non-biased facts. She was introduced in DOA, the reception is.more based on DOA version, the two.images we have now are too distinct facts. I played DOA but even if i didnt, i would still lean toward her DOA version being in the infobox over the NG. Lucia Black ( talk) 02:55, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
Either image works just fine. Someone flip a coin or something, so you can move on to something else. This is a waste of time. Sergecross73 msg me 20:02, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
i guess no one here is familiar with undue weight. Lucia Black ( talk) 21:20, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
Let's just reach a consensus right here, and right now. The answer is pretty obvious to me, I'm for the DoA image. -- Anddo ( talk) 21:37, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
Having never played either series, here's my input. I have no idea which is the most recent game but put her appearance from that game in the infobox with a caption 'Ayane shown in her most recent iteration in whatever game it is'. Feel free to paraphrase. That seems like common sense does it not? If her apperance really changed so drastically from earlier games, note it somewhere in the article and use an image if appropriate. Note that in Mario a recent version of the character is used not the original 8 bit sprite. Cabe 6403 ( Talk• Sign) 11:38, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
Cabe, we have to put an image in the infobox that represents the article correctly. It is undue weight to put Ninja Gaiden version over the Dead or Alive version, especially when she was introduced in said series (and continues to appear in that series) and reception leans toward her Dead or Alive version. I have no idea why this information is being ignored, but it helps my case into using the Dead or Alive version over the Ninja Gaiden version. Using the latest version would work well if she was only in one series, but it doesn't make sense if she appears in another series because it wouldn't be based on the article. Lucia Black ( talk) 20:04, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
Also, i'm not the only one going against the compromise. It's just Anddo agrees due to it still coming in our favor. I reject the idea because it seems like a cheap compromise. Lucia Black ( talk) 20:08, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
Who cares. We got two voting for DOA version on the infobox. Niemti wants NG. 2 others voted fornthe latest version meaning the image will continue to change over and over by each game. There really is no room for compromise when we have enough to win consensus. Its undue weight to use Ninja gaiden versuon PERIOD! Lucia Black ( talk) 00:18, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
No comment. -- Niemti ( talk) 03:24, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
See? That's your "working collegially", and other buzzwords, and I'm such a bad guy. The gross-est editor that ever was, and totally not deserving "the community". -- Niemti ( talk) 04:50, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
You have yet to bring a cmpelling reason why we should keep the Nnja Gaiden version over the Dead or Alive other than original research. We mentioned non-bias reasons and thise continye to be gnored. Lucia Black ( talk) 19:09, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
Guys, calm down a little. It's true that this trivial image problem has thrown us all off, and I take full responsibility for instigating it, but there's no need for continued rebuttals and bad faith. Let's just end this. We're done with the image. Let's move on. -- Anddo ( talk) 20:45, 9 November 2012 (UTC) Thats where ill have to disagree with you Anddo. If an image causes undue weight, then it is not trivial. Lucia Black ( talk) 20:51, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
Obviously a voluntary resolution to this dispute is not going to happen. I suggest if you cannot resolve the issue, take it to WP:RfC. This debate is going round and round. Third parties have given their opinion on what is a suitable resolution but they have been rejected as it seems no one wants to budge at all Cabe 6403 ( Talk• Sign) 09:07, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
Give me one unbias reason as to why we should use the Ninja Gaiden image over the Dead or Alive version in the infobox and i will move on. Cabe you trying to compromise an issue that cant be compromised, instead analize the reasons and convince the others why their previous reasoning is wrong or not correct. The issue with third opinion (technically 4th) is that they refuse to help editors for future situations such as these. A compromise wont help make editing better it just allows the cycle of the need for third party opinion whenever things such as this conflict. Lucia Black ( talk) 21:45, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
Completely relevant because if we would use the Ninja Gaiden version in the infobox (a box that summarizes info of the article as a whole) then we will have to prove how the Ninja Gaiden version is more significant than her original appearance. Lets see every single people who were part of the discussion. 2 editors who contributed nothing to the discussion, two editors who attempt a compromise, one who agrees but got tired of it all, and the one who makes editing dofficult to begin with by taking WP:OWN like measures. Also the article is more related to her Dead or Alive version. AGAIN....UNDUE WEIGHT.
Ots a discussion. Not a voting system. Im not asking for your vote im askng to review the situation and provide an answer based on the circumstances. Not a compromise for the sake of ending a discussion. Lucia Black ( talk) 23:41, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
It is only one who believes the NG is correct. While AnddoX and I believe the DoA for less subjective reasons than what niemti has. Lucia Black ( talk) 19:49, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
I have, and they really don't matter. They don't help your argument at all. Lucia Black ( talk) 18:24, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
Comment - This issue is just not worthy of this much time and effort. With that said, please conclude it and move on. Lord Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 05:40, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
There is more than enough reason to use Dead or Alive version over Ninja Gaiden. On another note, it takes too much space in the infobox to use both versions, so all the more reason to use one. Lucia Black ( talk) 15:08, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
Which will be soon. And then maybe you'll find yourself another obessesion.
Oh, and there was no "another editor". -- Niemti ( talk) 17:27, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
this is simple. add Ninja Gaiden image to its respected section. keep the DOA5 version up in the infobox, and remove or modify DOA5 image from original DOA image. that simple. We've discussed this in the past, and most people didn't care, but me and AnndoX have stated why. And now Service Ghost too (despite you claiming he's about to get blocked). Point is, the character's original appearance should appear, regardless if you think she has a bigger role in NG. keep your personal opinions to yourself, or i will save it for a time to put in ANI. it's that simple. Lucia Black ( talk) 17:31, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
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Ayane will playable in Dead or Alive 7, Dead or Alive Xtreme 4 and Ninja Gaiden 4. 2001:48F8:300B:E5E:D16F:2F71:DE16:4184 ( talk) 06:49, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
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Several sections unsourced and written in an in-universe contexted, article is overly refbombed, with some sources being questionable. While the subject is likely notable it overly relies on listicles and poor sourcing, and much of it needs a full rewrite. Kung Fu Man ( talk) 01:10, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
Ayane will appeared in Ninja Gaiden '88, an anime-styled comic book limited series that takes place fifteen years after the events of Ninja Gaiden II: The Dark Sword of Chaos (1990). 2001:48F8:300B:3DB:D731:1600:3045:D274 ( talk) 06:35, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
Kasumi and Ayane are both half-sisters and cousins in the Dead or Alive series. 2001:48F8:300B:3DB:501F:6213:B929:D200 ( talk) 06:42, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
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There seems to be some dispute as to wether or not Ayane was the victor of the third Dead or Alive tournament. Noting the end movie of Dead or Alive 3 fighter [ [1]Zack], he is seen with a large check from the DoA tournament and betting it all at a casino. The opening movie to DoA:Xtreme Beach Volleyball shows this exact same ending and continues to show Zack winning and buying Zack island. Eventually Zack Island sinks and as a result Zack is left in severe debt, which is his reasons for entering the Dead or Alive 4 tournament, as seen not only in Zack's wiki but in the manual itself. So the storyline of DoA:XBV is in fact, canon. Zack did win the third tournament and Ayane did not. - Dullaware
I see, It was my understanding that Itagaki (the creator of DOA) had said that Ayane won DOA3. However untill I can find a credible source, I will not begin an edit war, you may do as you please. -- Psi edit 20:43, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
DOA4 makes it obvious that Zack won the DOA3 tournament, and that DOAX is canon in the story. However, I think Ayane's DOA3 could still have happened. In the first place, all that is shown in Ayane's DOA3 ending is her burning Genra's body. This is not proof that she necessarily defeated him at all, she is just giving him proper funeral rites. She could have collected the body after Zack defeated him. Of perhaps she defeated Genra, but then Zack defeated her to win the tournament? It's not crystal clear, but at any rate, there's nothing in Ayane's ending that makes it clear that she won the tournament or even fought against Genra.
For DOA4's canon story to make sense, Helena must have won the DOA3 tournament. So, there's your answer. Maybe before DOA4 was made it was intended for Ayane to be the official winner, but via DOA4, the winner must be Helena - any other result means that all of DOA4 can't happen. Speaking of which tons of the stuff written here that's referred to as being in the canon is horribly inaccurate and/or completely made-up like some fanfiction writer's dream scenario. This whole page needs re-writing pretty much.
"Ayane is not a morning person." is a verifiable personality trait. 152.3.141.143 14:04, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Excuse me but THe Xbox Ninja Gaiden and DOA do take place in the same universe. And at no point in Ninja Gaiden does Ryu Haybusa die. It has been said numerous times that Ninja Gaiden is a prequel to Dead or Alive 1 so there is no real continuity error. Disregard the Nintendo Ninja Gaidens. I'm going to edit this section, based on information straight from the games. Rayfire 19:00, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
I would just like to say that, being the one who included the information about Ayane's name and the link to irises, that you have made a mistake to mindlessly delete my contribution. Firstly, "Ayane" is a variant spelling of "Ayame", and don't forget the 'm' or 'n' is chosen by the translator who writes the name in English, both names could be spelt exactly the same in Japanese. Secondly, regardless of whether all irises are purple or not, the PURPLE IRIS at the end of DOA 2 and in the Kasumi/Ayane FMV movie in DOA: Ultimate makes it clear that the purple iris is Ayane's symbol (and guess what, she just so happens to have purple hair and a name very similar if not identical to one meaning 'iris'!) You guys are so pedantic and picky about not allowing other people to add to articles it verges on ridiculous. Maybe, just maybe, someone else might know a thing or two as well, but pedantry and megolamania are incurable conditions! JJ
It's not my own speculation I assure you. I remember the designers of DOA saying that when DOA: Ultimate is released it will reveal the importance of the purple iris seen in Kasumi's DOA 2 ending. Like I said, it's in the Kasumi/Ayane background movie in DOA: U, and it would be a reasonable assessment to say the significance the designers mentioned was that it signifies Ayane. Is there no-one else who got this too and can back me up? 80.41.44.254 17:14, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Dead or Alive Ultimate was released on the XBox two years ago! 80.43.57.68 23:44, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
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For Kasumi too. -- Asperchu ( talk) 11:59, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
Like maybe a cropped version of "I'm a fighter" from DOA5, for example. Possibly also some more illustrations. -- 194.145.185.229 ( talk) 17:14, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
Because apparently it's needed to be started, so be it. -- Niemti ( talk) 10:09, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
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I don't have this book. Being second to Tina is irrevelant, maybe it also changed since then. A winner, yes. Raidou indeed turns into a monster/demon, Project Epsilonis DOA2 plot thing. [2] In Strikeforce she's literally an NPC (and there should be some better sources for this). The plot of Orochi 3 does not make sense. I'm not a master of English grammar, so I don't know. Film portrayal reception is in Reception. No, actually 1 would be enough. Just a section summary (maybe too strong). Underage - she's only 14-16 in most games, 18 only in DOA5. -- Niemti ( talk) 14:09, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
DOA officially always uses "shinobi" (shinobi is actually a historically correct term, too). Dragon Sword is extremely important thing in the Ninja Gaiden series - even the original title was Ninja Ryukenden ("ninja dragon sword story'). It's the number one plot device and main weaponin the series for almost a quarter of century, of course it's "going to mean". -- Niemti ( talk) 22:01, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
I think the relevant info is in Ninja Gaiden's and Ryu's articles (or should be). I don't know which English, or even how exactly different it is. -- Niemti ( talk) 06:05, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
That's just a simple telling of what happens. Citing this GameSpy quote, she's seemingly like "an uptight bitch with a massive chip on her shoulder" except not really/enitirely, and yes she actually has empathy. And by at the end of DOA5 they (and also Hayate) are reconciling entirely, which also means Kasumi will be no longer pursued. -- Niemti ( talk) 09:42, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
The Dragon Sword is a plot device of the series. It was originally titled "Ninja Dragon Sword Story" and even one of the recent games is titled Ninja Gaiden: Dragon Sword (which is also where the Eye of the Dragon plot device comes from). Just explaining all this would be enough. Ninpo = special ninja technique / "ninja magic", it's always officially "ninpo" in the games. The one in question is actually this. -- Niemti ( talk) 05:40, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
Shouldnt we use an image from dead or alive in the infobox? She's much more relevant in that series than in ninja gaiden plus she debuted in dead or alive series. Lucia Black ( talk) 18:05, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
Enough with the edit warring over the images. Discuss here with some actual rationales (and not I-own-this-article). There is a comment above arguing for the use of a DOA image in the lead: consensus is leaning that way and the DOA image should be kept for now. bridies ( talk) 05:15, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
I don't know what are you saying about Kasumi's image (which was uploaded by me, too), but the infobox picture being a "certified" promotional image means it's surely much more acceptable on Wikipedia than just something that was found on and taken from Wikia (which is not quite a reliable source to just transfer on to Wikipedia). The "older game" shows her original appearance (before the redesign) and allows people to compare, plus informs about how it also appears in another game and how, all while having the DOA5 costume actually shown all along, with it being well placed as to compare with the film version of Ayane, too. It was all quite well thought by me, see? Now, if you have something to CONTRIBUTE to the article... -- Niemti ( talk) 17:39, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
I would remind Anddo that it is his/her responsibility to obtain consensus for changing the image. It doesn't work that you edit war to alter something, and then demand that it remains until it is discussed. -- Escape Orbit (Talk) 20:49, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
She was introduced in DOA and she was a main character in a DOA game. For example, Cloud is a final fantasy 7 character that appeared in other games aswell. She is more relevant to DOA than NG easily. Lucia Black ( talk) 19:15, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
Nicely explained, Lucia Black. A character only really belongs in the original franchise he debuted in. -- Anddo ( talk) 23:41, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
It is irrelevant that she was playable out of 4 over another series that feature 25. The most common form of ayane is DOA. Lucia Black ( talk) 22:40, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
Niemti, your argument is that Ayane is as important in NG as she is in DoA? Have you played a DoA in your life? She has actual plot in every individual release of that series, while in NG she's literally throwaway. Eye candy to compliment Ryu's story. She is an NG character, sure, but her DoA appearances were far more prevalent and substance-based. I vote to keep "Ayane (Dead or Alive)", and keep the image. There is no reason for us to assume she's a general Tecmo character when you have no proof. Show me a direct quote from the company claiming that Ayane has equal significance in both franchises. The proof is in the pudding, right? Cheers, -- Anddo ( talk) 00:28, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
Compared to the two images shown in the article, the two have distinct faces. So compared to the two we have, yes. Also considering she appeared more in DOA than any other series, the evolution of her appearance is more related to graphics update. So choosing between the two its still DOA version. And again....reception is more.related to the DOA version. Lucia Black ( talk) 01:52, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
Here are the non-biased facts. She was introduced in DOA, the reception is.more based on DOA version, the two.images we have now are too distinct facts. I played DOA but even if i didnt, i would still lean toward her DOA version being in the infobox over the NG. Lucia Black ( talk) 02:55, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
Either image works just fine. Someone flip a coin or something, so you can move on to something else. This is a waste of time. Sergecross73 msg me 20:02, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
i guess no one here is familiar with undue weight. Lucia Black ( talk) 21:20, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
Let's just reach a consensus right here, and right now. The answer is pretty obvious to me, I'm for the DoA image. -- Anddo ( talk) 21:37, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
Having never played either series, here's my input. I have no idea which is the most recent game but put her appearance from that game in the infobox with a caption 'Ayane shown in her most recent iteration in whatever game it is'. Feel free to paraphrase. That seems like common sense does it not? If her apperance really changed so drastically from earlier games, note it somewhere in the article and use an image if appropriate. Note that in Mario a recent version of the character is used not the original 8 bit sprite. Cabe 6403 ( Talk• Sign) 11:38, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
Cabe, we have to put an image in the infobox that represents the article correctly. It is undue weight to put Ninja Gaiden version over the Dead or Alive version, especially when she was introduced in said series (and continues to appear in that series) and reception leans toward her Dead or Alive version. I have no idea why this information is being ignored, but it helps my case into using the Dead or Alive version over the Ninja Gaiden version. Using the latest version would work well if she was only in one series, but it doesn't make sense if she appears in another series because it wouldn't be based on the article. Lucia Black ( talk) 20:04, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
Also, i'm not the only one going against the compromise. It's just Anddo agrees due to it still coming in our favor. I reject the idea because it seems like a cheap compromise. Lucia Black ( talk) 20:08, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
Who cares. We got two voting for DOA version on the infobox. Niemti wants NG. 2 others voted fornthe latest version meaning the image will continue to change over and over by each game. There really is no room for compromise when we have enough to win consensus. Its undue weight to use Ninja gaiden versuon PERIOD! Lucia Black ( talk) 00:18, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
No comment. -- Niemti ( talk) 03:24, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
See? That's your "working collegially", and other buzzwords, and I'm such a bad guy. The gross-est editor that ever was, and totally not deserving "the community". -- Niemti ( talk) 04:50, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
You have yet to bring a cmpelling reason why we should keep the Nnja Gaiden version over the Dead or Alive other than original research. We mentioned non-bias reasons and thise continye to be gnored. Lucia Black ( talk) 19:09, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
Guys, calm down a little. It's true that this trivial image problem has thrown us all off, and I take full responsibility for instigating it, but there's no need for continued rebuttals and bad faith. Let's just end this. We're done with the image. Let's move on. -- Anddo ( talk) 20:45, 9 November 2012 (UTC) Thats where ill have to disagree with you Anddo. If an image causes undue weight, then it is not trivial. Lucia Black ( talk) 20:51, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
Obviously a voluntary resolution to this dispute is not going to happen. I suggest if you cannot resolve the issue, take it to WP:RfC. This debate is going round and round. Third parties have given their opinion on what is a suitable resolution but they have been rejected as it seems no one wants to budge at all Cabe 6403 ( Talk• Sign) 09:07, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
Give me one unbias reason as to why we should use the Ninja Gaiden image over the Dead or Alive version in the infobox and i will move on. Cabe you trying to compromise an issue that cant be compromised, instead analize the reasons and convince the others why their previous reasoning is wrong or not correct. The issue with third opinion (technically 4th) is that they refuse to help editors for future situations such as these. A compromise wont help make editing better it just allows the cycle of the need for third party opinion whenever things such as this conflict. Lucia Black ( talk) 21:45, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
Completely relevant because if we would use the Ninja Gaiden version in the infobox (a box that summarizes info of the article as a whole) then we will have to prove how the Ninja Gaiden version is more significant than her original appearance. Lets see every single people who were part of the discussion. 2 editors who contributed nothing to the discussion, two editors who attempt a compromise, one who agrees but got tired of it all, and the one who makes editing dofficult to begin with by taking WP:OWN like measures. Also the article is more related to her Dead or Alive version. AGAIN....UNDUE WEIGHT.
Ots a discussion. Not a voting system. Im not asking for your vote im askng to review the situation and provide an answer based on the circumstances. Not a compromise for the sake of ending a discussion. Lucia Black ( talk) 23:41, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
It is only one who believes the NG is correct. While AnddoX and I believe the DoA for less subjective reasons than what niemti has. Lucia Black ( talk) 19:49, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
I have, and they really don't matter. They don't help your argument at all. Lucia Black ( talk) 18:24, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
Comment - This issue is just not worthy of this much time and effort. With that said, please conclude it and move on. Lord Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 05:40, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
There is more than enough reason to use Dead or Alive version over Ninja Gaiden. On another note, it takes too much space in the infobox to use both versions, so all the more reason to use one. Lucia Black ( talk) 15:08, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
Which will be soon. And then maybe you'll find yourself another obessesion.
Oh, and there was no "another editor". -- Niemti ( talk) 17:27, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
this is simple. add Ninja Gaiden image to its respected section. keep the DOA5 version up in the infobox, and remove or modify DOA5 image from original DOA image. that simple. We've discussed this in the past, and most people didn't care, but me and AnndoX have stated why. And now Service Ghost too (despite you claiming he's about to get blocked). Point is, the character's original appearance should appear, regardless if you think she has a bigger role in NG. keep your personal opinions to yourself, or i will save it for a time to put in ANI. it's that simple. Lucia Black ( talk) 17:31, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
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Ayane will playable in Dead or Alive 7, Dead or Alive Xtreme 4 and Ninja Gaiden 4. 2001:48F8:300B:E5E:D16F:2F71:DE16:4184 ( talk) 06:49, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
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Several sections unsourced and written in an in-universe contexted, article is overly refbombed, with some sources being questionable. While the subject is likely notable it overly relies on listicles and poor sourcing, and much of it needs a full rewrite. Kung Fu Man ( talk) 01:10, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
Ayane will appeared in Ninja Gaiden '88, an anime-styled comic book limited series that takes place fifteen years after the events of Ninja Gaiden II: The Dark Sword of Chaos (1990). 2001:48F8:300B:3DB:D731:1600:3045:D274 ( talk) 06:35, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
Kasumi and Ayane are both half-sisters and cousins in the Dead or Alive series. 2001:48F8:300B:3DB:501F:6213:B929:D200 ( talk) 06:42, 16 June 2023 (UTC)