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It seems slightly odd that we should have two articles on goals from one match ( Hand of God goal and Goal of the Century). Why not create a single article for the game under the title Argentina v England (1986)? It would provide a more detailed overview of the goals in the context of each other, and of the Falklands War. Both articles are smallish and fairly poorly referenced at the moment - one nice merged article on the game could be really good. -- Pretty Green ( talk) 10:33, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
That line of thought would take the goal's section to Maradona's article, not here. How many articles refer to the Goal of the century that don't make reference to this match? Mariano( t/ c) 08:44, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
Batista was not DF, Argentina formation was : pumpido - cucciufo,brown,ruggeri - giusti, enrique, batista, olarticoecha - maradona,burru - valdano (3-4-2-1) -- Jor70 ( talk) 21:31, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
The term 'British' is chosen very deliberately in this sentence and is justified, I think, for the following reasons:
Maradona, now the Argentine team's national coach, was welcomed by Scots fans at Glasgow Airport in November when he arrived with his squad to play Scotland at Hampden.
Anyone else allowed in? I personally dislike the word inevitable: I'd like to think that it is possible that there might be a journalist somewhere in the UK of high enough standard to avoid the temptation to fall back on such tired old anecdotes, and able to consider such a prestigious career other than in the light of one split second decision. Apart from that, maybe a completely fresh sentence is the way to find compromise. Something like "Many elements of the British press refer to the incident even when discussing other elements of Maradona's career or matches of the Argentine team." might be a way forward; it allows readers to infer the innocence of the charge of some of the press, refers to can account for positive or negative recollections of the event (although so can the current phrasing, which rather undermines Justin's point), and is less specific as to the triggers of such raking over of old coals. Kevin McE ( talk) 20:58, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
I just wish that the English fans were consistent enough about their hatred of goals scored with the hand to admit that if it weren't for Dennis Wise punching the ball past a Turkish goalie in Izmir, they wouldn't have qualified for Euro 1992. Kevin McE ( talk) 22:40, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
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Kevin, no problem with your edit. Justin talk 20:43, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
Match is only of relevance to English football, its irrelevant to Scottish football. Its only raised in Scotland as the English still whine about it. Justin talk 10:52, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
Would it not be more customary for the "v" to be replaced with "vs." in the name of the article, because "v" tends to indicate some kind of legal proceeding. -- 82.13.233.26 ( talk) 14:32, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Giving the fact we havent any more the hand of God goal article I think would be interesting to add some of its history as what his brother told him after the 1980 goal . many references: he recalled a similar move in England, some years before, when he finished that way and his brother had told him that he should have Gambeteado the goalkeeper as well. -- Jor70 ( talk) 22:49, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
Just heard this on BBC World News after the 2-2 goal missed by the referees in the England-Germany game, June 2010. Two English sports journalists:
Man 1: "....but we need guys like Maradona to keep the mystique of the game alive. He is truly a hero in my book, he can do no wrong, and if he did that dramatic hand-of-God goal, that's a mythic moment! Where would we be without Maradona?"
Man 2 (smiling): There's a few of us who would have preferred never to have heard of the hand of God.
The link to the Maradona's quote is this
http://www.rediff.com/sports/football/2002/may/30mara.htm
I don't know how to put links...;) Bye
See the Talk page of the article on Maradona. It is noted that a photo apparently showing Maradona touching the ball seems to be a Photoshopped fake. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.194.200 ( talk) 14:28, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
....refers to a player called "Hodges". His name is actually Steve Hodge (no "s") -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 21:00, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
The diagram also shows Hodge in the middle. I'm pretty sure he played on the left. He says he was on the left in his book and also it says so on transfermarkt though the fifa website seems to show him in middle. The diagram also has Hoddle in defensive midfield which is surely wrong. Firestar47 ( talk) 10:04, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
The article has Maradona's compliment towards England (how they are noble and don't knock down/tackle him like other countries) twice, very near each other -- once in the "Aftermath," and once in "The goal of the century." I'm going to edit out the comment in the "Aftermath" section to avoid redundancy, if that's okay with you all. Adamh4 ( talk) 16:35, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
-- PeacefulJarl379 ( talk) 00:11, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
Hi there. Looking at the article, the article now seems to imply that the controversial goal being a handball is now heavily disputed, with no undisputed evidence for it being a handball. As far as I was aware, the consensus that it was a handball was pretty strong, but apparently not any more. This new version seems to originate with these edits by User:Boeing720, but I figured that rather than change it back to the other version myself, I'd look for other opinions here. 86.150.88.32 ( talk) 15:11, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
First Handball is a very popular Olympic indoor sport, at the continent. Which in a majority of Eurpean countries is the number one indoor sport instead of basket (or icehockey).
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It seems slightly odd that we should have two articles on goals from one match ( Hand of God goal and Goal of the Century). Why not create a single article for the game under the title Argentina v England (1986)? It would provide a more detailed overview of the goals in the context of each other, and of the Falklands War. Both articles are smallish and fairly poorly referenced at the moment - one nice merged article on the game could be really good. -- Pretty Green ( talk) 10:33, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
That line of thought would take the goal's section to Maradona's article, not here. How many articles refer to the Goal of the century that don't make reference to this match? Mariano( t/ c) 08:44, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
Batista was not DF, Argentina formation was : pumpido - cucciufo,brown,ruggeri - giusti, enrique, batista, olarticoecha - maradona,burru - valdano (3-4-2-1) -- Jor70 ( talk) 21:31, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
The term 'British' is chosen very deliberately in this sentence and is justified, I think, for the following reasons:
Maradona, now the Argentine team's national coach, was welcomed by Scots fans at Glasgow Airport in November when he arrived with his squad to play Scotland at Hampden.
Anyone else allowed in? I personally dislike the word inevitable: I'd like to think that it is possible that there might be a journalist somewhere in the UK of high enough standard to avoid the temptation to fall back on such tired old anecdotes, and able to consider such a prestigious career other than in the light of one split second decision. Apart from that, maybe a completely fresh sentence is the way to find compromise. Something like "Many elements of the British press refer to the incident even when discussing other elements of Maradona's career or matches of the Argentine team." might be a way forward; it allows readers to infer the innocence of the charge of some of the press, refers to can account for positive or negative recollections of the event (although so can the current phrasing, which rather undermines Justin's point), and is less specific as to the triggers of such raking over of old coals. Kevin McE ( talk) 20:58, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
I just wish that the English fans were consistent enough about their hatred of goals scored with the hand to admit that if it weren't for Dennis Wise punching the ball past a Turkish goalie in Izmir, they wouldn't have qualified for Euro 1992. Kevin McE ( talk) 22:40, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
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Kevin, no problem with your edit. Justin talk 20:43, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
Match is only of relevance to English football, its irrelevant to Scottish football. Its only raised in Scotland as the English still whine about it. Justin talk 10:52, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
Would it not be more customary for the "v" to be replaced with "vs." in the name of the article, because "v" tends to indicate some kind of legal proceeding. -- 82.13.233.26 ( talk) 14:32, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Giving the fact we havent any more the hand of God goal article I think would be interesting to add some of its history as what his brother told him after the 1980 goal . many references: he recalled a similar move in England, some years before, when he finished that way and his brother had told him that he should have Gambeteado the goalkeeper as well. -- Jor70 ( talk) 22:49, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
Just heard this on BBC World News after the 2-2 goal missed by the referees in the England-Germany game, June 2010. Two English sports journalists:
Man 1: "....but we need guys like Maradona to keep the mystique of the game alive. He is truly a hero in my book, he can do no wrong, and if he did that dramatic hand-of-God goal, that's a mythic moment! Where would we be without Maradona?"
Man 2 (smiling): There's a few of us who would have preferred never to have heard of the hand of God.
The link to the Maradona's quote is this
http://www.rediff.com/sports/football/2002/may/30mara.htm
I don't know how to put links...;) Bye
See the Talk page of the article on Maradona. It is noted that a photo apparently showing Maradona touching the ball seems to be a Photoshopped fake. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.194.200 ( talk) 14:28, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
....refers to a player called "Hodges". His name is actually Steve Hodge (no "s") -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 21:00, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
The diagram also shows Hodge in the middle. I'm pretty sure he played on the left. He says he was on the left in his book and also it says so on transfermarkt though the fifa website seems to show him in middle. The diagram also has Hoddle in defensive midfield which is surely wrong. Firestar47 ( talk) 10:04, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
The article has Maradona's compliment towards England (how they are noble and don't knock down/tackle him like other countries) twice, very near each other -- once in the "Aftermath," and once in "The goal of the century." I'm going to edit out the comment in the "Aftermath" section to avoid redundancy, if that's okay with you all. Adamh4 ( talk) 16:35, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
-- PeacefulJarl379 ( talk) 00:11, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
Hi there. Looking at the article, the article now seems to imply that the controversial goal being a handball is now heavily disputed, with no undisputed evidence for it being a handball. As far as I was aware, the consensus that it was a handball was pretty strong, but apparently not any more. This new version seems to originate with these edits by User:Boeing720, but I figured that rather than change it back to the other version myself, I'd look for other opinions here. 86.150.88.32 ( talk) 15:11, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
First Handball is a very popular Olympic indoor sport, at the continent. Which in a majority of Eurpean countries is the number one indoor sport instead of basket (or icehockey).
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The text in the 'Argentina kit change' section seems to be very close to the wording used in the original source? JezGrove ( talk) 21:42, 26 June 2018 (UTC) JezGrove ( talk) 21:42, 26 June 2018 (UTC)