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what do you think about Thomas Jefferson strengthened the Anti-federalist platform during his time as President?
I belive that because Thomas Jefferson was an Anti-federalist he purposely strengthened their platform while he was president.
I have some stuff that i though about rewording about Jefferson's involvement in the Anti-federalist cause. I was wondering about your opinions...It is arguable that Thomas Jefferson espoused Anti-Federalist views throughout his life. Contradictory to this view however, is the fact that, because his involvement in the actual Constitutional ratification discussion was limited, since he was stationed as Ambassador to France while the debate over federalism was going on in America in the Federalist papers and Anti-Federalist Papers. Thanks...-- Shipsitter ( talk) 00:59, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Even though Jefferson was part of the Federalist administration, he is clearly an Anti-federalist. He was discrete in his political views (in part of his respect for Washington) but fomented opposition to a number of Federalist issues (i.e. increasing size of the military). Check Merrill Peterson's New Nation, The Terror of '98. Jefferson, as VP to Adams, was obsessed with fears of a monarchy. (Peterson 593) I think Anti-federalism is a post-era term. Jefferson's ideology was most clearly identified as Republican. In 1798, he made references to Tory (Federalist) and Whig (Anti-federalist/Republican). "It is well understood that two political sects have arisen with the U.S.; the one believing the executive is the branch of our government which most needs support; the other that like the analogous branch in the English government, it is already too strong for the republican part of the Constitution, and therefore in equivocal cases, they incline to the legislative powers; the former of these are called Federalist, sometimes aristocrats or monocrats and sometimes Tories, after the corresponding sect in the English government; the latter are still republicans, whigs, Jacobins, anarchists, disorganizers, etc." (Peterson) Scrbrd ( talk) 00:32, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
I motion that this be turned into a disambiguation page, or that it simply provide a disambiguation link to Hamilton's "Anti-Federalist" / "Anti-Administration" party. That has its own article already, and rightfully so. This article should also be renamed to correspond to the Federalist counterpart ("
Federalist Party (United States)"). There is a big logical difference between anti-federalism and the Anti-Federalist party, and that needs to be enunciated.
Fearwig 05:11, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I'll lay this all out. What we need isn't a disambiguation page, but a split, so that:
--are made distinct (see federalism and Federalist Party (United States) for comparison). The concept of anti-federalism is distinct from the Anti-Federalist Party (just as republicanism is distinct from the Republican Party), and as such this article is misnamed. The Washington-era "Anti-Federalist Party" doesn't belong here at all, since, as the article states, it was correctly called the Anti-Administration Party (United States). This means that some work will need to be done to Anti-Federalist Party (United States) using this information, and that anti-federalism will have to be created from scratch, but it's definitely necessary to correct this mistake. Fearwig 01:41, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
There was no Anti-federalist party (at least that wasn't the title that the adherents of the states' rights movements in the late 18th century called themselves). They referred to their party as Republican. Scrbrd ( talk) 00:35, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
I've considered all discussion on this article and used my own understanding of early U.S. political history to make today's changes. If anyone objects to this feel free to change them back. I felt that the heading "Anti-Federalism in the Early 19th Century" was completely misleading, as it seemed to refer to the political conflicts of Washington's (and to some extent J. Adams's) administrations. I changed some language concerning the agendas of the two proto-parties that seems to me to come from the 1911 EB; this probably needs sourcing, which I'll try to provide soon. In any event it's no more poorly supported than what was there already. Again, I'm sorry if these unilateral changes are offensive to anyone, but I think the article either needed removal or some basic surgery (maybe it still does). User:jperrlylsu 72.219.10.130 ( talk) 01:27, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
According to one of my college professors and the readings for his class, the Anti-Federalists were actually true Federalists because they advocated a system where the states delegated certain powers to the Federal Government and reserved all other powers to themselves and that the Federalists were really nationalists that wanted an all-powerful central government. The Federalists simply usurped the title Federalist for themselves and labeled the "true Federalists" Anti-Federalists. Shouldn't this arguement be menntioned somewhere? Emperor001 ( talk) 13:55, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
There is quite a bit of opposition (at least here in England) to the possibility of the EU becoming a full federation. Don't know if this would be considered "Anti-Federalism" in the sense described on this page as the opposition is mainly against the merging of culture & sovereignity rather than the system itself. Anonymous, 19:12 BST 18 October 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.237.185.36 ( talk) 18:13, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
I removed the first paragraph of the article lead which suggested that this article was about the concept of anti-federalism in general. However the entire rest of the article only discusses the specific group of Anti-Federalists that arose in opposition to the ratification of the U.S. Constitution. This group played a very significant role in the history of the era (with implications that carry forward to this day) and merit their own article.
As far as I know, this is the only anti-federalism that played a significant part in U.S. History. If there is some GENERAL political theory of anti-federalism, then it belongs in its own article, not this one. Tom (North Shoreman) ( talk) 23:54, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
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The first two paragraphs of the history section are focused on the origins of the term anti-federalist, yet there is already a separate section for nomenclature. I propose combining these two paragraphs and the already existing text under the nomenclature section. Neuscholar ( talk) 15:57, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
Perhaps the nationalists' most brilliant tactic in the battle of ideas ahead of them, however, was their decision to call themselves "Federalists" and their cause, "Federalism." The men behind the Constitution were not, of course, federalists at all. They were advocates of a strong national government whose authority diminished the independence of the states. [...] By co-opting the name "Federalists," the pro-Constitution forces deprived their opponents of the ability to signal clearly and immediately what they stood for. [2]
Since there are now sources for all of the bullet points under the main beliefs section, I propose removing the article template on this section that states “this section needs additional citations for verification.” Neuscholar ( talk) 21:39, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
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what do you think about Thomas Jefferson strengthened the Anti-federalist platform during his time as President?
I belive that because Thomas Jefferson was an Anti-federalist he purposely strengthened their platform while he was president.
I have some stuff that i though about rewording about Jefferson's involvement in the Anti-federalist cause. I was wondering about your opinions...It is arguable that Thomas Jefferson espoused Anti-Federalist views throughout his life. Contradictory to this view however, is the fact that, because his involvement in the actual Constitutional ratification discussion was limited, since he was stationed as Ambassador to France while the debate over federalism was going on in America in the Federalist papers and Anti-Federalist Papers. Thanks...-- Shipsitter ( talk) 00:59, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Even though Jefferson was part of the Federalist administration, he is clearly an Anti-federalist. He was discrete in his political views (in part of his respect for Washington) but fomented opposition to a number of Federalist issues (i.e. increasing size of the military). Check Merrill Peterson's New Nation, The Terror of '98. Jefferson, as VP to Adams, was obsessed with fears of a monarchy. (Peterson 593) I think Anti-federalism is a post-era term. Jefferson's ideology was most clearly identified as Republican. In 1798, he made references to Tory (Federalist) and Whig (Anti-federalist/Republican). "It is well understood that two political sects have arisen with the U.S.; the one believing the executive is the branch of our government which most needs support; the other that like the analogous branch in the English government, it is already too strong for the republican part of the Constitution, and therefore in equivocal cases, they incline to the legislative powers; the former of these are called Federalist, sometimes aristocrats or monocrats and sometimes Tories, after the corresponding sect in the English government; the latter are still republicans, whigs, Jacobins, anarchists, disorganizers, etc." (Peterson) Scrbrd ( talk) 00:32, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
I motion that this be turned into a disambiguation page, or that it simply provide a disambiguation link to Hamilton's "Anti-Federalist" / "Anti-Administration" party. That has its own article already, and rightfully so. This article should also be renamed to correspond to the Federalist counterpart ("
Federalist Party (United States)"). There is a big logical difference between anti-federalism and the Anti-Federalist party, and that needs to be enunciated.
Fearwig 05:11, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I'll lay this all out. What we need isn't a disambiguation page, but a split, so that:
--are made distinct (see federalism and Federalist Party (United States) for comparison). The concept of anti-federalism is distinct from the Anti-Federalist Party (just as republicanism is distinct from the Republican Party), and as such this article is misnamed. The Washington-era "Anti-Federalist Party" doesn't belong here at all, since, as the article states, it was correctly called the Anti-Administration Party (United States). This means that some work will need to be done to Anti-Federalist Party (United States) using this information, and that anti-federalism will have to be created from scratch, but it's definitely necessary to correct this mistake. Fearwig 01:41, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
There was no Anti-federalist party (at least that wasn't the title that the adherents of the states' rights movements in the late 18th century called themselves). They referred to their party as Republican. Scrbrd ( talk) 00:35, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
I've considered all discussion on this article and used my own understanding of early U.S. political history to make today's changes. If anyone objects to this feel free to change them back. I felt that the heading "Anti-Federalism in the Early 19th Century" was completely misleading, as it seemed to refer to the political conflicts of Washington's (and to some extent J. Adams's) administrations. I changed some language concerning the agendas of the two proto-parties that seems to me to come from the 1911 EB; this probably needs sourcing, which I'll try to provide soon. In any event it's no more poorly supported than what was there already. Again, I'm sorry if these unilateral changes are offensive to anyone, but I think the article either needed removal or some basic surgery (maybe it still does). User:jperrlylsu 72.219.10.130 ( talk) 01:27, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
According to one of my college professors and the readings for his class, the Anti-Federalists were actually true Federalists because they advocated a system where the states delegated certain powers to the Federal Government and reserved all other powers to themselves and that the Federalists were really nationalists that wanted an all-powerful central government. The Federalists simply usurped the title Federalist for themselves and labeled the "true Federalists" Anti-Federalists. Shouldn't this arguement be menntioned somewhere? Emperor001 ( talk) 13:55, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
There is quite a bit of opposition (at least here in England) to the possibility of the EU becoming a full federation. Don't know if this would be considered "Anti-Federalism" in the sense described on this page as the opposition is mainly against the merging of culture & sovereignity rather than the system itself. Anonymous, 19:12 BST 18 October 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.237.185.36 ( talk) 18:13, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
I removed the first paragraph of the article lead which suggested that this article was about the concept of anti-federalism in general. However the entire rest of the article only discusses the specific group of Anti-Federalists that arose in opposition to the ratification of the U.S. Constitution. This group played a very significant role in the history of the era (with implications that carry forward to this day) and merit their own article.
As far as I know, this is the only anti-federalism that played a significant part in U.S. History. If there is some GENERAL political theory of anti-federalism, then it belongs in its own article, not this one. Tom (North Shoreman) ( talk) 23:54, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
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The first two paragraphs of the history section are focused on the origins of the term anti-federalist, yet there is already a separate section for nomenclature. I propose combining these two paragraphs and the already existing text under the nomenclature section. Neuscholar ( talk) 15:57, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
Perhaps the nationalists' most brilliant tactic in the battle of ideas ahead of them, however, was their decision to call themselves "Federalists" and their cause, "Federalism." The men behind the Constitution were not, of course, federalists at all. They were advocates of a strong national government whose authority diminished the independence of the states. [...] By co-opting the name "Federalists," the pro-Constitution forces deprived their opponents of the ability to signal clearly and immediately what they stood for. [2]
Since there are now sources for all of the bullet points under the main beliefs section, I propose removing the article template on this section that states “this section needs additional citations for verification.” Neuscholar ( talk) 21:39, 5 April 2024 (UTC)