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Also, the boook is more focused on the politics and lack of support for the investigators than it is a chronicle of the effect on the gay community. Jliberty 01:58, Jan 9, 2005 (UTC)
Anyone know where the name of the film was originally taken from? Martschink 06:46, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Because this article deals with both the book and the film, both of which will require separate infoboxes, perhaps the article should be split into two: And the Band Played On and And the Band Played On (film). This will cut down on confusion as well as length. Thoughts? María: ( habla ~ cosas) 15:08, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
I disagree with the assertion that the book does not give the same weight to the gay community as it does politics and medicine. The most drama and the closest we ever see the characters in the book are in the gay community: Bill Kraus, Cleve Jones, Paul Popham, Larry Kramer, and Gary Walsh all have extensive reporting done on them. Not only their roles in the gay community but their frustration within the gay community to get other gays to care, and to get politicians to care as well. I think Randy Shilts did a tremendous job looking at a very difficult and complex topic. The initial reaction to AIDS by *everyone* was awful, including those in the gay community. That the gay community responded first, doesn't necessarily mean that they responded well initially. Moni3 00:40, 28 February 2007 (UTC)Moni3
As Shilts was a gay man who probably knew (without it being medically confirmed) he was HIV positive when writing the book, it most certainly does have a partisan bias to it. However, no group is spared the wrath of Shilts' reporting in light of their apathy, mismanagement, and politicized infighting - even gay groups. This article depicts what Shilts reported in the book and should focus on his points. Rewriting the section on the CDC not to include how messed up their situation was, is a disservice to Shilts and to the neutrality of wikipedia.
Including a link to transcripts from Reagan's should probably be included in the criticism section.
From WP:Books, you can find here: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Books#And_the_Band_Played_On —Preceding unsigned comment added by Moni3 ( talk • contribs) 20:06, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Hello, I will be reviewing this article to see if it meets the GA criteria. So far this passes the quick fail criteria, so a full review is forthcoming. If you have any questions, feel free to ask them on my talk page. Regards, and good luck! FamicomJL ( talk) 23:02, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
1. MoS and prose PASS Looks good, only one thing needs to be fixed.
2. Factual accuracy and verifiability FAIL
3. Broadness of coverage PASS Very well done. I can see a lot of research was done. Never knew the title of the book came from the legend about the band in the Titanic.
4. Neutrality PASS
Definite pass. No netruality issues here.
5. Stability PASS
No edit wars recently, no vandals recently, very stable article.
6. Images PASS
Both images have their proper fair use rationale.
7. Due to the fact that finding the proper citations for the above should not be too hard, I am placing this article on hold. You have seven days or so to fix the above issues, or else the article gets failed. Please send me a message on my talkpage when/if you fix these, or have any questions at all. Regards, and good luck!
FamicomJL (
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I removed the statement that And th Band Played On did not identify Gaetan Dugas as patient Zero. Shilts does make that identification on page 147 of the paperback edition copyright 1988 4th printing "Gaetan Dugas, marked on the chart as Patient Zero"
Okay, let me summarize what bothers me about this section.
Anyway, these are some of my opinions. I don't want to step on your toes, so to speak, by imposing edits in the article. So do with them as you see fit. Uranographer ( talk) 06:54, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
Moni3 asked me for help, so I read the sources in question. I agree with many of Uranographer's criticisms. I'm not sure what help I can provide (it sounds like there are many willing authors of this section :-) but a couple of further points:
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cite journal}}
: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (
link)) does not mention Darrow's paper at all, and Moss's 1988 letter doesn't say that it does.Wow, there are a lot of problems with that section! Anyway, hope this info helps. I fixed some of the problems with this edit, but clearly more work is needed. Eubulides ( talk) 08:45, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Obviously the CDC staffer is one of the main characters in the book, but no mention or link except to say he was portrayed in the film-- Mongreilf ( talk) 11:29, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
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Shilts' book has been used as a standard by the lay press when reviewing books chronicling subsequent medical crises including breast cancer,[48] chronic fatigue syndrome,[49] Agent Orange,[50] and continued response to AIDS. This isn’t true, and reads like an opinion. The citations don’t prove anything. 2601:483:101:86B5:81C9:99B9:F3FC:E303 ( talk) 01:25, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
The article currently contains this gobbledygook:
As a scientific necessity to compare it to the American version of HIV, French doctors representing the Pasteur Institute sent a colleague to the National Cancer Institute, where Robert Gallo was also working on the virus. The colleague switched the samples, Shilts reported, because of a grudge he had against the Pasteur Institute.[18] Instead of Gallo comparing his samples with the French samples, he found the very same retrovirus as the French sample, putting back any new results in AIDS research for at least a year.[19]
This is poorly written nonsense. It raises a number of questions:
This is dreadful. Can someone who owns this book do a proper retelling of this? Bueller 007 ( talk) 01:12, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
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Also, the boook is more focused on the politics and lack of support for the investigators than it is a chronicle of the effect on the gay community. Jliberty 01:58, Jan 9, 2005 (UTC)
Anyone know where the name of the film was originally taken from? Martschink 06:46, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Because this article deals with both the book and the film, both of which will require separate infoboxes, perhaps the article should be split into two: And the Band Played On and And the Band Played On (film). This will cut down on confusion as well as length. Thoughts? María: ( habla ~ cosas) 15:08, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
I disagree with the assertion that the book does not give the same weight to the gay community as it does politics and medicine. The most drama and the closest we ever see the characters in the book are in the gay community: Bill Kraus, Cleve Jones, Paul Popham, Larry Kramer, and Gary Walsh all have extensive reporting done on them. Not only their roles in the gay community but their frustration within the gay community to get other gays to care, and to get politicians to care as well. I think Randy Shilts did a tremendous job looking at a very difficult and complex topic. The initial reaction to AIDS by *everyone* was awful, including those in the gay community. That the gay community responded first, doesn't necessarily mean that they responded well initially. Moni3 00:40, 28 February 2007 (UTC)Moni3
As Shilts was a gay man who probably knew (without it being medically confirmed) he was HIV positive when writing the book, it most certainly does have a partisan bias to it. However, no group is spared the wrath of Shilts' reporting in light of their apathy, mismanagement, and politicized infighting - even gay groups. This article depicts what Shilts reported in the book and should focus on his points. Rewriting the section on the CDC not to include how messed up their situation was, is a disservice to Shilts and to the neutrality of wikipedia.
Including a link to transcripts from Reagan's should probably be included in the criticism section.
From WP:Books, you can find here: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Books#And_the_Band_Played_On —Preceding unsigned comment added by Moni3 ( talk • contribs) 20:06, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Hello, I will be reviewing this article to see if it meets the GA criteria. So far this passes the quick fail criteria, so a full review is forthcoming. If you have any questions, feel free to ask them on my talk page. Regards, and good luck! FamicomJL ( talk) 23:02, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
1. MoS and prose PASS Looks good, only one thing needs to be fixed.
2. Factual accuracy and verifiability FAIL
3. Broadness of coverage PASS Very well done. I can see a lot of research was done. Never knew the title of the book came from the legend about the band in the Titanic.
4. Neutrality PASS
Definite pass. No netruality issues here.
5. Stability PASS
No edit wars recently, no vandals recently, very stable article.
6. Images PASS
Both images have their proper fair use rationale.
7. Due to the fact that finding the proper citations for the above should not be too hard, I am placing this article on hold. You have seven days or so to fix the above issues, or else the article gets failed. Please send me a message on my talkpage when/if you fix these, or have any questions at all. Regards, and good luck!
FamicomJL (
talk) 18:53, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
I removed the statement that And th Band Played On did not identify Gaetan Dugas as patient Zero. Shilts does make that identification on page 147 of the paperback edition copyright 1988 4th printing "Gaetan Dugas, marked on the chart as Patient Zero"
Okay, let me summarize what bothers me about this section.
Anyway, these are some of my opinions. I don't want to step on your toes, so to speak, by imposing edits in the article. So do with them as you see fit. Uranographer ( talk) 06:54, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
Moni3 asked me for help, so I read the sources in question. I agree with many of Uranographer's criticisms. I'm not sure what help I can provide (it sounds like there are many willing authors of this section :-) but a couple of further points:
{{
cite journal}}
: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (
link)) does not mention Darrow's paper at all, and Moss's 1988 letter doesn't say that it does.Wow, there are a lot of problems with that section! Anyway, hope this info helps. I fixed some of the problems with this edit, but clearly more work is needed. Eubulides ( talk) 08:45, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Obviously the CDC staffer is one of the main characters in the book, but no mention or link except to say he was portrayed in the film-- Mongreilf ( talk) 11:29, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
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Shilts' book has been used as a standard by the lay press when reviewing books chronicling subsequent medical crises including breast cancer,[48] chronic fatigue syndrome,[49] Agent Orange,[50] and continued response to AIDS. This isn’t true, and reads like an opinion. The citations don’t prove anything. 2601:483:101:86B5:81C9:99B9:F3FC:E303 ( talk) 01:25, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
The article currently contains this gobbledygook:
As a scientific necessity to compare it to the American version of HIV, French doctors representing the Pasteur Institute sent a colleague to the National Cancer Institute, where Robert Gallo was also working on the virus. The colleague switched the samples, Shilts reported, because of a grudge he had against the Pasteur Institute.[18] Instead of Gallo comparing his samples with the French samples, he found the very same retrovirus as the French sample, putting back any new results in AIDS research for at least a year.[19]
This is poorly written nonsense. It raises a number of questions:
This is dreadful. Can someone who owns this book do a proper retelling of this? Bueller 007 ( talk) 01:12, 12 April 2020 (UTC)