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I have never watched the series, so I have no idea what it is about based on the plot summary. "Return to Roanoke places the reenactors and their real life counterparts in the Roanoke house for three days during the Blood Moon, putting the lives of the cast and crew in danger as they face the true horrors within the Roanoke house."
Well, what are the true horrors? All I know is there were "paranormal occurrences." Hmm, the blood moon. Sounds bad, but how the hell would I know?
Go ahead and spoil it for me- this is not IMDB.
I hate to start another section on this page again but here we are... Do we really need to put every Tom Dick and Harry ever appeared in the episodes in the guest star section? I think we can just put relevant guest stars or people who appeared more than once or something? Let's have a meaningful discussion please and stop yelling at each other again. Thanks. Johnny0929 ( talk) 22:48, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
We need to quit changing the name of Kathy Bates' character. If we look historically, the wife of John White's maiden name was spelled Tomasyn Cooper. I have checked encyclopedias. Not Thomisin or Thomasin. When readers of the AHS: Roanoke Wikipedia page scroll down to the cast and characters list they should see Kathy Bates as Tomasyn "The Butcher" White. Her "purified" name is The Butcher and that is what she is being referred to by all the main cast members. Therefore, for clarity's sake, quit putting a forward or back slash when writing Ms. Bates' character name (i.e. Tomasyn White/ The Butcher.) Utilizing the forward slash suggests to readers that Bates could be portraying more than one character. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nickenbrook2012 ( talk • contribs) 18:39, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
The reason Kathy Bates's character is being changed to Thomasin is because that's how her name is spelled not only by Closed Captioning, which is based off of the written scripts, but also how her name has been spelt in promotional material. Shes only based off of a historical person, she's not portraying the actual Tomasyn. Ambrose White wasn't a real person, hence the difference between the two. Additionally, we used the slash to refer to The Countess also as Elizabeth Johnson. Thomasin after selling her soul, now is referred to as The Butcher so, I think we should keep the slash in as well. Fanfiction2010 ( talk) 02:10, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
Yes, Finn Wittrock is returning and yes, Ryan Murphy said we are "getting the origins of the Mott family", but that does not mean Dandy will return. Can people please stop adding Dandy Mott to the character list? If he returns, then you can add him, for now it's speculation, nothing is confirmed. Thanks Guys YellowingMellowing ( talk) 08:37, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
I am not sure if I should write this here, but tvmaze.com wrote that Finn's character is named Jaether Polk.
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Given the next episode ("Chapter 6") substantial shift in narrative and storytelling, we need to start thinking about how we're going to reflect the actors names (i.e. the actors Paulson, Gooding Jr., etc. play) when they're revealed. The current set-up of cast will no longer work (denoting Rabe, Holland, and Porter). We're going to have to draw distinction from the "actors" to "who the actors play", to the "real-life counterparts". I've been racking my brain and I, for the life of me, can not come up with a system that isn't entirely contrived and redundant. We're going to need to put our heads together for this one boys and girls. Please, let me hear from you. LLArrow ( talk) 00:50, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
I advise all editors that contribute to this article to weigh in on this subject. It is crucial. LLArrow ( talk) 05:31, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
Well, for example on Gossip Girl (season 2) they have a separate cast section for one episode that was dedicated to a spin off of the show. We could do the something along the same lines such as
Cast of My Roanoke Nightmare
with a footnote attached like it is currently stating they're re-enactors or whatever it says, can't remember off the top of my head. Brocicle ( talk) 00:14, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
That was one of the suggestions but a different suggestion is being favoured over that. Brocicle ( talk) 18:01, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
Okay, so what we have right now is confusing as heck. The footnote thing no longer works since Cheyenne is playing Sydney in universe instead of in MRN. My suggestion is this:
Any other suggestions? Johnny0929 ( talk) 14:07, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
^1 Italics are used to differentiate the characters that the actors portrayed in the My Roanoke Nightmare re-enactment. Personally, I think the above is the most efficient, least confusing, and most effective way of ordering the cast and characters of this season. Fanfiction2010 ( talk) 21:25, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
I've thought of another idea for what could be the end to this lengthy discussion. I have not seen this brought up at this point, but I have seen similar cast sections like I'm about to present on other television and film castings. Something along the lines of:
So what I am proposing is this:
Thoughts on this? endalecomplex ( contributions) • ( talk) 05:50, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
As of now, we should start a second section with that goes something like this:
etc etc This will not clutter the cast section and this will also help it to be less confusing. The slashes are very confusing as well as having the headnotes only on Shelby, Matt and Lee's names. As of Chapter 6, most of the characters are now "real life counterparts" instead of MRN reenactments. If this has a consensus then I will make the edit. Johnny0929 ( talk) 22:40, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
Slashes and the used of "and" are a heck of a lot less inavasive then these suggestions. I repeat- I think it's best to keep it simple on this article and flesh out the details of people playing other people who are real people on the actual Roanoke charterers article. Kelege ( talk) 02:11, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
Back to the issue I fully support anything other than slashes and headnotes. Any other logical option is fine with me. Brocicle ( talk) 11:59, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
I oppose the separate section when it's really not necessary on this article and only clutters it. I would be open to supporting it for the article pertaining to the characters however. Kelege ( talk) 13:07, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
Request for comment on the format of the cast section. This season sees a different style to previous season, as an example Sarah Paulson played Shelby Miller as a re-enactment on the documentary My Roanoke Nightmare, in episode six it was revealed that the real name of Paulson's chatacter was Audrey Tindall. Discussion was opened in an attempt to solve the issue on how to structure the cast section after this revelation. While suggestions have been posed and discussed a consensus seems far from reach, woulf much appreciate a comment so we can reach a decision and implement it. Brocicle ( talk) 14:05, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
Chapter 7, Wiki states Agnes is stabbed in the face by the real butcher. As I can not edit this page for protective content. May inform, it was the butchers blade slicing down the centre of her skull buried in her head, leaving only the handle in view as it sticks out of her face. JonLeePaul ( talk) 22:17, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
I'm seeing the name of Kathy Bate's (reenactment) character spelled a few different ways throughout the article--which is the correct spelling? - Melodies1917 ( talk) 19:27, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
HEY! :) The correct spelling is Thomasin and that should no longer be an issue but please go back and check through to make sure if you feel so inclined! If you are going to check make sure to do the short and long summaries please! Thank you for bringing this forward! TedEskey ( talk) 19:27, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
I think it is confusing to put a footnote next to the characters that are the real-life counterparts of the My Roanoke Nightmare characters. The reason for this is that it would indicate that character without footnotes are characters in My Roanoke Nightmare as opposed to simply existing in the AHS universe. Recurring characters like Guinness and Diana Cross are listed the same way, despite existing in different capacities/universes of the shows. I propose to put footnotes next to My Roanoke Nightmare characters instead of the real-life counterparts to avoid confusion regarding which character name is part of what universe. This way, AHS characters are listed normally and My Roanoke Nightmare characters whose real names are unknown all have footnotes. DantODB 21:35, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
The description says "Monet is being hunted down in the woods by the Polk's" -- that should just be "Polks." Because it is a plural, there should not be an apostrophe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8807:C188:4500:D1BA:6DA6:CB00:303B ( talk) 05:31, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
Do we have a consensus on the cast section now? I would propose that we just use their names outside of MRN's reenactment besides those whose actors have no names (like Lady Gaga or Frances Conroy) and use the asterisk or footnote thing. The additional characters they play in MRN can be explained in the characters page. Johnny0929 ( talk) 15:05, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
The Plot section of the article is a bit short compared to that of other AHS seasons. I think a longer plot would also be helpful to readers in clarifying the cast and who they portrayed in both MRN and RTR. Melodies1917 ( talk) 17:12, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
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Adina Porter is credited in the main cast on this page, despite the fact that she isn’t actually part of it in the season. - DJordan18 ( talk) 0:44, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
Is that vandalism, or at least trolling, the over-linking in the episodes' descriptions? Words like "knife", "pig" and "homosexual" are linked. And yes, those choices are very suspicious. Other common words next to them are not linked. For instance, the article's editors thought readers might need help understanding the word "knife" but not the words "torch" and "totem"; or they thought "car" and "homosexual" were more in need of a link than "blood moon". Kumagoro-42 ( talk) 05:03, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
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I have never watched the series, so I have no idea what it is about based on the plot summary. "Return to Roanoke places the reenactors and their real life counterparts in the Roanoke house for three days during the Blood Moon, putting the lives of the cast and crew in danger as they face the true horrors within the Roanoke house."
Well, what are the true horrors? All I know is there were "paranormal occurrences." Hmm, the blood moon. Sounds bad, but how the hell would I know?
Go ahead and spoil it for me- this is not IMDB.
I hate to start another section on this page again but here we are... Do we really need to put every Tom Dick and Harry ever appeared in the episodes in the guest star section? I think we can just put relevant guest stars or people who appeared more than once or something? Let's have a meaningful discussion please and stop yelling at each other again. Thanks. Johnny0929 ( talk) 22:48, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
We need to quit changing the name of Kathy Bates' character. If we look historically, the wife of John White's maiden name was spelled Tomasyn Cooper. I have checked encyclopedias. Not Thomisin or Thomasin. When readers of the AHS: Roanoke Wikipedia page scroll down to the cast and characters list they should see Kathy Bates as Tomasyn "The Butcher" White. Her "purified" name is The Butcher and that is what she is being referred to by all the main cast members. Therefore, for clarity's sake, quit putting a forward or back slash when writing Ms. Bates' character name (i.e. Tomasyn White/ The Butcher.) Utilizing the forward slash suggests to readers that Bates could be portraying more than one character. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nickenbrook2012 ( talk • contribs) 18:39, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
The reason Kathy Bates's character is being changed to Thomasin is because that's how her name is spelled not only by Closed Captioning, which is based off of the written scripts, but also how her name has been spelt in promotional material. Shes only based off of a historical person, she's not portraying the actual Tomasyn. Ambrose White wasn't a real person, hence the difference between the two. Additionally, we used the slash to refer to The Countess also as Elizabeth Johnson. Thomasin after selling her soul, now is referred to as The Butcher so, I think we should keep the slash in as well. Fanfiction2010 ( talk) 02:10, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
Yes, Finn Wittrock is returning and yes, Ryan Murphy said we are "getting the origins of the Mott family", but that does not mean Dandy will return. Can people please stop adding Dandy Mott to the character list? If he returns, then you can add him, for now it's speculation, nothing is confirmed. Thanks Guys YellowingMellowing ( talk) 08:37, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
I am not sure if I should write this here, but tvmaze.com wrote that Finn's character is named Jaether Polk.
[1]
Lausaurine (
talk) 19:30, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
References
Given the next episode ("Chapter 6") substantial shift in narrative and storytelling, we need to start thinking about how we're going to reflect the actors names (i.e. the actors Paulson, Gooding Jr., etc. play) when they're revealed. The current set-up of cast will no longer work (denoting Rabe, Holland, and Porter). We're going to have to draw distinction from the "actors" to "who the actors play", to the "real-life counterparts". I've been racking my brain and I, for the life of me, can not come up with a system that isn't entirely contrived and redundant. We're going to need to put our heads together for this one boys and girls. Please, let me hear from you. LLArrow ( talk) 00:50, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
I advise all editors that contribute to this article to weigh in on this subject. It is crucial. LLArrow ( talk) 05:31, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
Well, for example on Gossip Girl (season 2) they have a separate cast section for one episode that was dedicated to a spin off of the show. We could do the something along the same lines such as
Cast of My Roanoke Nightmare
with a footnote attached like it is currently stating they're re-enactors or whatever it says, can't remember off the top of my head. Brocicle ( talk) 00:14, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
That was one of the suggestions but a different suggestion is being favoured over that. Brocicle ( talk) 18:01, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
Okay, so what we have right now is confusing as heck. The footnote thing no longer works since Cheyenne is playing Sydney in universe instead of in MRN. My suggestion is this:
Any other suggestions? Johnny0929 ( talk) 14:07, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
^1 Italics are used to differentiate the characters that the actors portrayed in the My Roanoke Nightmare re-enactment. Personally, I think the above is the most efficient, least confusing, and most effective way of ordering the cast and characters of this season. Fanfiction2010 ( talk) 21:25, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
I've thought of another idea for what could be the end to this lengthy discussion. I have not seen this brought up at this point, but I have seen similar cast sections like I'm about to present on other television and film castings. Something along the lines of:
So what I am proposing is this:
Thoughts on this? endalecomplex ( contributions) • ( talk) 05:50, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
As of now, we should start a second section with that goes something like this:
etc etc This will not clutter the cast section and this will also help it to be less confusing. The slashes are very confusing as well as having the headnotes only on Shelby, Matt and Lee's names. As of Chapter 6, most of the characters are now "real life counterparts" instead of MRN reenactments. If this has a consensus then I will make the edit. Johnny0929 ( talk) 22:40, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
Slashes and the used of "and" are a heck of a lot less inavasive then these suggestions. I repeat- I think it's best to keep it simple on this article and flesh out the details of people playing other people who are real people on the actual Roanoke charterers article. Kelege ( talk) 02:11, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
Back to the issue I fully support anything other than slashes and headnotes. Any other logical option is fine with me. Brocicle ( talk) 11:59, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
I oppose the separate section when it's really not necessary on this article and only clutters it. I would be open to supporting it for the article pertaining to the characters however. Kelege ( talk) 13:07, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
Request for comment on the format of the cast section. This season sees a different style to previous season, as an example Sarah Paulson played Shelby Miller as a re-enactment on the documentary My Roanoke Nightmare, in episode six it was revealed that the real name of Paulson's chatacter was Audrey Tindall. Discussion was opened in an attempt to solve the issue on how to structure the cast section after this revelation. While suggestions have been posed and discussed a consensus seems far from reach, woulf much appreciate a comment so we can reach a decision and implement it. Brocicle ( talk) 14:05, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
Chapter 7, Wiki states Agnes is stabbed in the face by the real butcher. As I can not edit this page for protective content. May inform, it was the butchers blade slicing down the centre of her skull buried in her head, leaving only the handle in view as it sticks out of her face. JonLeePaul ( talk) 22:17, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
I'm seeing the name of Kathy Bate's (reenactment) character spelled a few different ways throughout the article--which is the correct spelling? - Melodies1917 ( talk) 19:27, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
HEY! :) The correct spelling is Thomasin and that should no longer be an issue but please go back and check through to make sure if you feel so inclined! If you are going to check make sure to do the short and long summaries please! Thank you for bringing this forward! TedEskey ( talk) 19:27, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
I think it is confusing to put a footnote next to the characters that are the real-life counterparts of the My Roanoke Nightmare characters. The reason for this is that it would indicate that character without footnotes are characters in My Roanoke Nightmare as opposed to simply existing in the AHS universe. Recurring characters like Guinness and Diana Cross are listed the same way, despite existing in different capacities/universes of the shows. I propose to put footnotes next to My Roanoke Nightmare characters instead of the real-life counterparts to avoid confusion regarding which character name is part of what universe. This way, AHS characters are listed normally and My Roanoke Nightmare characters whose real names are unknown all have footnotes. DantODB 21:35, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
The description says "Monet is being hunted down in the woods by the Polk's" -- that should just be "Polks." Because it is a plural, there should not be an apostrophe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8807:C188:4500:D1BA:6DA6:CB00:303B ( talk) 05:31, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
Do we have a consensus on the cast section now? I would propose that we just use their names outside of MRN's reenactment besides those whose actors have no names (like Lady Gaga or Frances Conroy) and use the asterisk or footnote thing. The additional characters they play in MRN can be explained in the characters page. Johnny0929 ( talk) 15:05, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
The Plot section of the article is a bit short compared to that of other AHS seasons. I think a longer plot would also be helpful to readers in clarifying the cast and who they portrayed in both MRN and RTR. Melodies1917 ( talk) 17:12, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for speedy deletion:
You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 19:07, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
Adina Porter is credited in the main cast on this page, despite the fact that she isn’t actually part of it in the season. - DJordan18 ( talk) 0:44, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
Is that vandalism, or at least trolling, the over-linking in the episodes' descriptions? Words like "knife", "pig" and "homosexual" are linked. And yes, those choices are very suspicious. Other common words next to them are not linked. For instance, the article's editors thought readers might need help understanding the word "knife" but not the words "torch" and "totem"; or they thought "car" and "homosexual" were more in need of a link than "blood moon". Kumagoro-42 ( talk) 05:03, 1 May 2023 (UTC)