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I do believe that however, this statement is highly biased, which is '(Alex Au) continues to play an active role in contributing to the development of civil society in Singapore.' I think this statement should be removed as there is no supporting evidence of anything that he has actively done to develop the civil society of Singapore. And since Gyron88 seemed to be close to Alex Au, I believe this article is not neutral. I will kindly hope for you to state your stand on this, Gyron88. Heron_Kusanagi 13:26, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Groyn88, please stop removing the
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tag since the points of contention are not resolved, no matter how much you undo the edits every other contributor puts in. Akikonomu 20:22, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
Groyn88 17:27, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
1. Since we're unable to agree on whether Alex Au is the Minister Mentor of the Singapore gay equality movement, we can surely agree to compromise with he "is a key figure" in the movement. You might want to add a category for PLU committee members or something.
Please provide citations to prove he founded the Signel discussion group. ALso, note that the discussion group would have included other people and activists, who might still be active today. Those are the other fathers and mothers of the gay rights movement that you do injustice to, by continually insisting on having Alex Au as its Senior Minister and Sir Stamford Raffles.
None of the theatre practitioners or authors in the early 1990s identified themselves as gay to the general public, and they were certainly not willing to be quoted in the press as "gay activists". They only made a statement via their books and their plays. The onus is on YOU to refer to the numerous Straits Times and Today articles which interviewed Alex Au and quoted him as a gay activist, the very first one ever to be referred to as such by the press. Groyn88 08:19, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
2. If non-objective claims are made ("invisible to foreigners", "less perceptive natives"), and made in a patronising manner, it's best to cite external sources making the claims, or have them moved out. We don't exactly need a movie critic-style review of the website. Akikonomu 20:02, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
If non-objective claims are made ("incisive", etc.), it's best to cite external sources making the claims rather than having the wikipedia article make them directly. Tlogmer 17:34, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
The description of Alex Au as being "a central figure" in the Singapore gay equality movement does not do him justice. He is "THE" central figure. No Singaporean would dispute that. As such, I am reinstating the words "regarded by many to be the founding father...". The latter still falls short of accurate as you would be hard put to come up with any Singaporean, gay or otherwise, who would dispute that statement. Groyn88 13:00, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
It just shows that you have not even read the information contained in the article. Moreover, you have also not bothered to visit his website. So what basis have you got to dispute the statement that he is "the founding father of the Singapore gay equality movement"? If you dispute this description, name an alternative person who qualifies for the title. If you cannot do so, kindly remove the "disputed" template. Groyn88 15:59, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
Authenticity check: A search reveals that the phrase "regarded by many" appears in the text. Is the phrase a symptom of a dubious statement? Could a source be quoted instead? Perhaps the "many" could be identified? Might text be edited to more genuinely reflect specific facts?
This article is one of thousands on Wikipedia that have a link to YouTube in it. Based on the External links policy, most of these should probably be removed. I'm putting this message here, on this talk page, to request the regular editors take a look at the link and make sure it doesn't violate policy. In short: 1. 99% of the time YouTube should not be used as a source. 2. We must not link to material that violates someones copyright. If you are not sure if the link on this article should be removed, feel free to ask me on my talk page and I'll review it personally. Thanks. --- J.S ( t| c) 07:55, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
I notice the article lists his name as Alex Au Waipang, but then we do not use Waipang anymore, and it is not part of the title of the article. I'm not familiar with Singaporean naming customs. Is Au his actual surname? What is Waipang? LadyofShalott Weave 02:04, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
i have removed some text from the article as it had requests for citations since 2 years back for waht are essentially OR statements since no one was able to provide sources which substantiated those claims. On a side note, I also removed some puffery terms in the articles. Zhanzhao ( talk) 12:43, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
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I do believe that however, this statement is highly biased, which is '(Alex Au) continues to play an active role in contributing to the development of civil society in Singapore.' I think this statement should be removed as there is no supporting evidence of anything that he has actively done to develop the civil society of Singapore. And since Gyron88 seemed to be close to Alex Au, I believe this article is not neutral. I will kindly hope for you to state your stand on this, Gyron88. Heron_Kusanagi 13:26, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Groyn88, please stop removing the
This article's factual accuracy is
disputed. (March 2008) |
tag since the points of contention are not resolved, no matter how much you undo the edits every other contributor puts in. Akikonomu 20:22, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
Groyn88 17:27, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
1. Since we're unable to agree on whether Alex Au is the Minister Mentor of the Singapore gay equality movement, we can surely agree to compromise with he "is a key figure" in the movement. You might want to add a category for PLU committee members or something.
Please provide citations to prove he founded the Signel discussion group. ALso, note that the discussion group would have included other people and activists, who might still be active today. Those are the other fathers and mothers of the gay rights movement that you do injustice to, by continually insisting on having Alex Au as its Senior Minister and Sir Stamford Raffles.
None of the theatre practitioners or authors in the early 1990s identified themselves as gay to the general public, and they were certainly not willing to be quoted in the press as "gay activists". They only made a statement via their books and their plays. The onus is on YOU to refer to the numerous Straits Times and Today articles which interviewed Alex Au and quoted him as a gay activist, the very first one ever to be referred to as such by the press. Groyn88 08:19, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
2. If non-objective claims are made ("invisible to foreigners", "less perceptive natives"), and made in a patronising manner, it's best to cite external sources making the claims, or have them moved out. We don't exactly need a movie critic-style review of the website. Akikonomu 20:02, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
If non-objective claims are made ("incisive", etc.), it's best to cite external sources making the claims rather than having the wikipedia article make them directly. Tlogmer 17:34, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
The description of Alex Au as being "a central figure" in the Singapore gay equality movement does not do him justice. He is "THE" central figure. No Singaporean would dispute that. As such, I am reinstating the words "regarded by many to be the founding father...". The latter still falls short of accurate as you would be hard put to come up with any Singaporean, gay or otherwise, who would dispute that statement. Groyn88 13:00, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
It just shows that you have not even read the information contained in the article. Moreover, you have also not bothered to visit his website. So what basis have you got to dispute the statement that he is "the founding father of the Singapore gay equality movement"? If you dispute this description, name an alternative person who qualifies for the title. If you cannot do so, kindly remove the "disputed" template. Groyn88 15:59, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
Authenticity check: A search reveals that the phrase "regarded by many" appears in the text. Is the phrase a symptom of a dubious statement? Could a source be quoted instead? Perhaps the "many" could be identified? Might text be edited to more genuinely reflect specific facts?
This article is one of thousands on Wikipedia that have a link to YouTube in it. Based on the External links policy, most of these should probably be removed. I'm putting this message here, on this talk page, to request the regular editors take a look at the link and make sure it doesn't violate policy. In short: 1. 99% of the time YouTube should not be used as a source. 2. We must not link to material that violates someones copyright. If you are not sure if the link on this article should be removed, feel free to ask me on my talk page and I'll review it personally. Thanks. --- J.S ( t| c) 07:55, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
I notice the article lists his name as Alex Au Waipang, but then we do not use Waipang anymore, and it is not part of the title of the article. I'm not familiar with Singaporean naming customs. Is Au his actual surname? What is Waipang? LadyofShalott Weave 02:04, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
i have removed some text from the article as it had requests for citations since 2 years back for waht are essentially OR statements since no one was able to provide sources which substantiated those claims. On a side note, I also removed some puffery terms in the articles. Zhanzhao ( talk) 12:43, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
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