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Alboïn was killed in 572 at Verona by (H)Elmechi(s) [Helmgis, Helmgeis, Helmgies], his horseman, the lover of Ros(a)munda (or Rosemonde). Calabria Geoffrey, from France.
This vita still needs a succinct opening paragraph summarizing the salient events of Alboin's career. -- Wetman 07:53, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
Just added a note about Tolkien's use of Alboin; is this in the proper format? I'm not accustomed to adding "literary uses" sections. Nyttend 01:14, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
This has been anonymously deleted: "Alboin had vowed to put all the citizens of the captured cities to death. " If it is a remark in a source, it should be returned, with its source.-- Wetman 23:47, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
is very similar to Albin, meaning "white". But the normal French version of Albin is Aubin. The similar name Alvin has the same root as Alboin, namely Ælfwine, meaning "elf friend", but also, it seems, "Edelwine", meaning "noble friend". According to the article Audoin comes from Eadwine (Edwin), meaning "wealth friend". I would say it looks most obviously similar to the Norwegian names Audun and Audvin, with the same meaning, also interpreted as "gifted". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.40.128.194 ( talk) 18:19, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm concerned that in the body of the article there is almost a complete dearth of dates. It's just "then he did this, then he did that," with no dates to nail down exactly (or even approximately) when any of these events occurred. There also seems to be far too much dramatic storytelling, recounting of obvious legends, and so on -- and not nearly enough history. This especially true of the section on his assassination, which is pure melodrama. -- Michael K. Smith ( talk) 00:48, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
Reviewer: ✽ Juniper§ Liege (TALK) 07:41, 2 April 2010 (UTC) I shall be undertaking the review of this article against the Good Article criteria, per its nomination for Good Article status. ✽ Juniper§ Liege (TALK) 07:41, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
The article is very cluttered as is, and some of the images seem unnecessary:
Slight overlinking occuring. See WP:OVERLINK. Names/terms should only be linked the first time they appear in the article; similarly well known geographic terms (like Italy) do not need to be wikilinked. I have removed the unnecessary links. ✽ Juniper§ Liege (TALK) 08:14, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
There's currently the phrase "Gepids' king Thurisind" in the article. I'm wondering if it would be correct to rephrased this to "Gepid king Thurisind"? Have you seen phrases like "Gepid culture" and "Gepid armies"? Nev1 ( talk) 23:18, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
I've had a stab at addressing at least some of the criticisms of the lead in the current FAC, but there are a few things I think still need to be clarified:
Malleus Fatuorum 13:39, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
On the birth date is it OK to put "c. 530" in the lead? That could imply that he may have been born before 530, which for issues of chronology is impossible. Aldux ( talk) 00:38, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
"kidnapping of Cunimund's daughter Rosamund, whom she was immediately forced to marry." This syntax should mean that some woman was forced to marry Rosamund. Please fix as appropriate. 4.249.63.17 ( talk) 23:51, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
Early history of southern Europe is a long way from being a specialist subject of mine, but I have to query the grounds for frequent references to Italy in the 6th century. Was there any meaningful sense in which there was an entity called Italy at that time? Kevin McE ( talk) 23:57, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
The Gepids obtained the support of the Emperor in exchange for a promise to cede him the region of Sirmium. I surmise that the "him" here is Cunimund. But the wording is too unclear to edit.-- Wetman ( talk) 00:32, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
I changed the map that contains the extension of the Lombard kingdom at the death of Alboin (572), because it's wrong: the duchies of Benevento, Spoleto and Tuscia were created only since 575/576, year of the decisive defeat of Baduarius and the rebellion of the Lombards who were foederatus of the Empire (Zotto and Faroald). -- Glz19 ( talk) 10:32, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
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Alboïn was killed in 572 at Verona by (H)Elmechi(s) [Helmgis, Helmgeis, Helmgies], his horseman, the lover of Ros(a)munda (or Rosemonde). Calabria Geoffrey, from France.
This vita still needs a succinct opening paragraph summarizing the salient events of Alboin's career. -- Wetman 07:53, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
Just added a note about Tolkien's use of Alboin; is this in the proper format? I'm not accustomed to adding "literary uses" sections. Nyttend 01:14, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
This has been anonymously deleted: "Alboin had vowed to put all the citizens of the captured cities to death. " If it is a remark in a source, it should be returned, with its source.-- Wetman 23:47, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
is very similar to Albin, meaning "white". But the normal French version of Albin is Aubin. The similar name Alvin has the same root as Alboin, namely Ælfwine, meaning "elf friend", but also, it seems, "Edelwine", meaning "noble friend". According to the article Audoin comes from Eadwine (Edwin), meaning "wealth friend". I would say it looks most obviously similar to the Norwegian names Audun and Audvin, with the same meaning, also interpreted as "gifted". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.40.128.194 ( talk) 18:19, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm concerned that in the body of the article there is almost a complete dearth of dates. It's just "then he did this, then he did that," with no dates to nail down exactly (or even approximately) when any of these events occurred. There also seems to be far too much dramatic storytelling, recounting of obvious legends, and so on -- and not nearly enough history. This especially true of the section on his assassination, which is pure melodrama. -- Michael K. Smith ( talk) 00:48, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
Reviewer: ✽ Juniper§ Liege (TALK) 07:41, 2 April 2010 (UTC) I shall be undertaking the review of this article against the Good Article criteria, per its nomination for Good Article status. ✽ Juniper§ Liege (TALK) 07:41, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
The article is very cluttered as is, and some of the images seem unnecessary:
Slight overlinking occuring. See WP:OVERLINK. Names/terms should only be linked the first time they appear in the article; similarly well known geographic terms (like Italy) do not need to be wikilinked. I have removed the unnecessary links. ✽ Juniper§ Liege (TALK) 08:14, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
There's currently the phrase "Gepids' king Thurisind" in the article. I'm wondering if it would be correct to rephrased this to "Gepid king Thurisind"? Have you seen phrases like "Gepid culture" and "Gepid armies"? Nev1 ( talk) 23:18, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
I've had a stab at addressing at least some of the criticisms of the lead in the current FAC, but there are a few things I think still need to be clarified:
Malleus Fatuorum 13:39, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
On the birth date is it OK to put "c. 530" in the lead? That could imply that he may have been born before 530, which for issues of chronology is impossible. Aldux ( talk) 00:38, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
"kidnapping of Cunimund's daughter Rosamund, whom she was immediately forced to marry." This syntax should mean that some woman was forced to marry Rosamund. Please fix as appropriate. 4.249.63.17 ( talk) 23:51, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
Early history of southern Europe is a long way from being a specialist subject of mine, but I have to query the grounds for frequent references to Italy in the 6th century. Was there any meaningful sense in which there was an entity called Italy at that time? Kevin McE ( talk) 23:57, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
The Gepids obtained the support of the Emperor in exchange for a promise to cede him the region of Sirmium. I surmise that the "him" here is Cunimund. But the wording is too unclear to edit.-- Wetman ( talk) 00:32, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
I changed the map that contains the extension of the Lombard kingdom at the death of Alboin (572), because it's wrong: the duchies of Benevento, Spoleto and Tuscia were created only since 575/576, year of the decisive defeat of Baduarius and the rebellion of the Lombards who were foederatus of the Empire (Zotto and Faroald). -- Glz19 ( talk) 10:32, 3 February 2017 (UTC)