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"At least 10 METs x hours per week in aerobic exercise is required for visceral fat reduction." What does this mean? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.109.217.108 ( talk) 20:55, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
can this page be edited —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.197.155.138 ( talk) 23:20, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
A the request of someone on the Spanish-language wikipedia, I did my best here to translate the more extensive material on this topic from the Spanish-language wikipedia. This really needs review now by a competent biologist, because I am a total layman attempting translation of technical material.
Also, in searching for vocabulary I came across http://www.lab.anhb.uwa.edu.au/mb140/CorePages/Connective/Connect.htm, which looks to my layman's eyes to be very solid and informative. I suspect it is a good mine of information and that one or more articles should include it in their external links. However, since it's totally outside my field, I can't judge it, so I'm leaving the linking to someone with a clue.
-- Jmabel 07:45, 28 Jan 2004 (UTC)
The article looks good to me; I am not a biologist, having taken only college biology courses, but I have some familiarity with the terminology. So if someone else reads the article and thinks it's okay, it's probably worth taking out the notice. Andrew 09:50, Apr 14, 2004 (UTC)
The article is a nice concise overview. I am removing the notice and making a few small edits. E.g, zootomy means cutting up animals; zoology is doubtless intended. alteripse 29 apr 04
This was already pretty good, but I had a further play before checking the talk page - i must stop doing that!! fixed a few links and hopefully clarified and emphasised the main points. the only thing I'm unsure of ist the adipose panniculus, which i've never heard. it'd be great if somebody could check my changes for typos! -- Erich gasboy 05:46, 2 May 2004 (UTC)
Thanks to Prometheus, the god's portion of a typical Ancient Greek animal sacrifice consisted of bones and internal organs covered with adipose tissue. Perhaps a link should be in the mythology section and not here. I'm not familiar enough with the wiki to attempt an addition, so I'm just commenting here. stevieo@nyc.rr.com No-- Awesome19800 ( talk) 12:53, 20 March 2017 (UTC)-- Awesome19800 ( talk) 12:53, 20 March 2017 (UTC)-- Awesome19800 ( talk) 12:53, 20 March 2017 (UTC)-- Awesome19800 ( talk) 12:53, 20 March 2017 (UTC)no it should not°°°°°°°°°°°°≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠§§§§§§
Why does cellulite redirect here? There's nothing in this article about cellulite. -- Kimiko 21:01, 11 Jun 2004 (UTC)
good point. I'll make a stubb ;-) Erich 01:56, 12 Jun 2004 (UTC)
How about adding a stub to the "Adipocyte" entry. Because a tissue is something cpmpletely different than a certain type of cells? -- Frosty 21:24, 16 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Obesity has been nominated to be improved on Wikipedia:This week's improvement drive. Vote for it there to support the article.-- Fenice 20:15, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
This section should be exclusively about the social and cultural significance of adipose tissue. Issues about body shape should be (and are) on the obesity page. Zargulon 15:40, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
I agree. I didn't want to completely rock the boat, since I guess someone put it there for a reason. But I personally would agree with changing the title of that section , or getting rid of it altogether. Zargulon 16:27, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
I also agree. I jumped straight down to the social and cultural section, and there was two lines that linked to other pages. This section should be cut. 174.116.53.88 ( talk) 19:18, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi,
On the Dieting page(the exact quote is at the end of this post) it states that body fat has a large amount of carbon mass. I was wondering if it is possible for a picture of the body fat molecules to be drawn, like was done for Hydrogen_peroxide and Lipid?
I did see the molecule picture on triglyceride and lipid, but is there one for regular fat?
"The exhalation of carbon in carbon dioxide comes from carbon mass in the body, a substantial amount of which in turn comes from fat. Essentially the greater part of body fat, the long carbon chains, is lost from the body by breathing."
Bryan 11:15, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
From the article:
I think I understand about half of these words. Does this belong in Wikipedia? Han-Kwang 20:07, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
So when someone gets fatter do new adipose cells get created or are the old ones growing?-- Energman 19:13, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Mostly the cells enlarge. But mammals turn over their fat cells all the time. Old ones die (by apoptosis) and new ones are formed from precursors - so new cells are being created all the time. I am not aware of a good literature on absolute adipocyte turnover rates although some drugs (thiazolidinediones) seem to have big effects on this process. However the issue in obesity is mostly increased cell volume. S.w.coppack 18:23, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
I can't see why these three terms need their own articles; I can't see them being developed much further and they could easily be accommodated within this one (or another more appropriate?) - any thoughts? Madmedea 19:20, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
There is an important distinction. Subcutaneous fat and visceral fat are clearly adipose tissue. They should be merged. Intramuscular fat is different. Sometimes, when there is a lot of intramuscular fat, one gets identifiable adipose tissue in the muscle. However in lean animals (and people) there will be just triglyceride stores in the myocytes (muscle cells) plus or minus a few isolated adipocytes between the muscle fibres. Intramuscular fat should not be merged - it should be referenced. Caroline Pond's citation explains all this. S.w.coppack 18:28, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
I have a few questions about the statement "Human fat tissue contains about 87% lipids." Can anyone point to a scientific source that states that particular number? Also, I am wondering what the remaining 13% are. Enclosed water? Proteins? It would be great if someone could clarify and corroborate that statement. Mirko Raner 23:24, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
--> Also, it would be great to know which lipids (ie which fatty acids are stored, or make up the triglycerides stored in adipose). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.161.121.253 ( talk) 09:37, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
This article currently does not mention whether obesity (or excess adipose tissue) is caused by an increased number of adipose cells, or from enlarged adipose cells, or both. It is an important point to clarify in this article. Does anyone have access to a source for this? Mehrshad123 01:40, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Most models of obesity are mostly due to cellular enlargement, although slightly increased numbers are also seen. For example very obese humans might have 10 fold increased fat mass compared to skinny people. Most of this will be from cellular expansion. The adipocyte volumes might increase 4-5 fold, with a 2 fold increase in number. The Cinti reference cited covers this. S.w.coppack 18:17, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
No Merge - I think that merging visceral fat article into the main Adipose is a bad idea; there are some important distinctions, and a lot of new research being currently done in this area. More content should be added. 69.209.226.60 20:57, 25 May 2007 (UTC) Caterina Pryde 5/25/07
No Merge - Agreed - viceral fat is being blamed for many medical conditions. Reports in the media suggest that viceral fat cells give off substances that negatively affect the heart and other organs in ways that subcutaneous fat does not. From a public health perspective, I think it deserves to be separate, even if it is just a subset of fatty tissues in general. MarkinBoston 21:43, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Merge - Agreed. Visceral fat is a sort of adipose tissue. To exclude it suggests that it is not. Until the Adipose tissue topic becomes unweildy, I would include visceral fat. S.w.coppack 18:10, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
I believe this post was intend to be a vote for merging. Based on the content his/her post, I believe S.w.coppack intended to agreed with merging, rather that the post above him/her. I am placing a bold merge/no merge in from of each post for clarity. Bpage 08:46, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Merge - I think both visceral fat and subcutaneous fat should be merged here. They are types of adipose tissue. None of the three articles are particularly long. Merging them would result in a more clear understand of any of the three subjects. Bpage 08:46, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
No Merge – While I think that both subcutaneous fat and visceral fat should be subsections under adipose tissue in their current state, they should have their own articles eventually, as they are rather distinct. Merging them into Adipose tissue would lessen the imperative to expand the stubs as they now exist, which I think would be a step in the wrong direction. I have linked them in the current article to emphasize the connection, but maintain that they should not be merged. ~XarBioGeek ( talk) 01:33, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
Another comment. I think readers are more interested in the distribution of Adipose Tissue in Humans rather than in Mice. [E. A.] 16 August 2007
How efficient is the human body in storing energy? How much is effectively used after storing and re-burning? -- Sigmundur ( talk) 20:36, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Titling the section Visceral fat makes it clearer because
As an obesity researcher in the US (1997-2002), the term I heard most often (by far) in professional circles was "central," not abdominal or visceral. Dcs002 ( talk) 04:03, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
I removed angiotensin from this list because angiotensinogen is made in the liver and converted to angiotensin in the blood. I looked around for a source that says it's derived from fat tissue and couldn't find one.
Also, I have to say that I'm uncomfortable with cytokines like TNF-alpha and IL-6 being in this list. Hormones are endocrine by definition, meaning they are released into the blood and act at a remote location. Cytokines are generally paracrine, meaning they are released from the cell and act locally (on nearby cells), or autocrine, meaning they are released from the cell and act on surface receptors on the cell that just released them. Does anyone know of a true endocrine function of adipose-derived TNF-alpha and IL-6, and if so, do you have a source?
I'm sorry if I'm mistaken about these issues -- I'm a teacher, and I used to be an obesity researcher (used angiotensin II and leptin in my work), but I'm getting older... Dcs002 ( talk) 09:19, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
References should follow wikipedia guideline ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#Scholarship) and not contain advertisment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.152.132.31 ( talk) 15:18, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
I don't remember the conventions about disambiguation pages. Should adipose be a disambiguation page instead of a redirect to here? Few readers really needed to see the hatnote about the Dr. Who monster, and there's also adipose fin and adipose gene. -- Dan Wylie-Sears 2 ( talk) 05:32, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
I don't think Adipose should be a disambiguation page, but I think instead of the hatnote we should link to Adipose (disambiguation) which can list other uses, as well. ~rezecib ( talk) 07:30, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
Please upload more images for this article. Pdiddyjr ( talk) 16:33, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
How exactly does this contribute to this article? I understand that research on mice is important in scientific research, but isn't the point of Wikipedia to further the knowledge of most readers, not scientists? Granted, like many pages in biology, this encyclopaedia talks about more than humans (animals too) but it just seems out of place to me. Am I missing something? meteor_sandwich_yum ( talk) 23:07, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
On section "Anatomical features" is is stated that "In humans, adipose tissue is located beneath the skin (subcutaneous fat)". Nevertheless, in the "Abdominal fat" sub-section the last sentence of the first paragraph states "Visceral fat is considered adipose tissue whereas subcutaneous fat is not considered as such".
I hope this helps LaFiebre ( talk) 06:56, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
I know that both Brain fat and sometime other fats like Lipomastic fat aren't beta-oxidised easily for energy, either by a natural mechanism (to preserve the brain) or by a metabolic problem (Lipomastia in Men).
What is the name of such Adipose tissue? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ben-Yeudith ( talk • contribs) 10:52, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
It shows "white" "bedge" and "brown". I'm assuming the bedge should be beige.
I don't know how to edit images. Jeljo ( talk) 16:42, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
Abdominal obesity is currently preferred over central obesity so I have changed that to avoid confusion across articles. Altanner1991 ( talk) 19:44, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
The second picture in the infobox (Adipocyte types.jpg) has a typo. It says "Bedge Adipocyte" where it should say "Beige Adipocyte". 2601:2C3:480:FCD0:45C8:6342:A2E6:7F86 ( talk) 07:12, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
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"At least 10 METs x hours per week in aerobic exercise is required for visceral fat reduction." What does this mean? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.109.217.108 ( talk) 20:55, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
can this page be edited —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.197.155.138 ( talk) 23:20, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
A the request of someone on the Spanish-language wikipedia, I did my best here to translate the more extensive material on this topic from the Spanish-language wikipedia. This really needs review now by a competent biologist, because I am a total layman attempting translation of technical material.
Also, in searching for vocabulary I came across http://www.lab.anhb.uwa.edu.au/mb140/CorePages/Connective/Connect.htm, which looks to my layman's eyes to be very solid and informative. I suspect it is a good mine of information and that one or more articles should include it in their external links. However, since it's totally outside my field, I can't judge it, so I'm leaving the linking to someone with a clue.
-- Jmabel 07:45, 28 Jan 2004 (UTC)
The article looks good to me; I am not a biologist, having taken only college biology courses, but I have some familiarity with the terminology. So if someone else reads the article and thinks it's okay, it's probably worth taking out the notice. Andrew 09:50, Apr 14, 2004 (UTC)
The article is a nice concise overview. I am removing the notice and making a few small edits. E.g, zootomy means cutting up animals; zoology is doubtless intended. alteripse 29 apr 04
This was already pretty good, but I had a further play before checking the talk page - i must stop doing that!! fixed a few links and hopefully clarified and emphasised the main points. the only thing I'm unsure of ist the adipose panniculus, which i've never heard. it'd be great if somebody could check my changes for typos! -- Erich gasboy 05:46, 2 May 2004 (UTC)
Thanks to Prometheus, the god's portion of a typical Ancient Greek animal sacrifice consisted of bones and internal organs covered with adipose tissue. Perhaps a link should be in the mythology section and not here. I'm not familiar enough with the wiki to attempt an addition, so I'm just commenting here. stevieo@nyc.rr.com No-- Awesome19800 ( talk) 12:53, 20 March 2017 (UTC)-- Awesome19800 ( talk) 12:53, 20 March 2017 (UTC)-- Awesome19800 ( talk) 12:53, 20 March 2017 (UTC)-- Awesome19800 ( talk) 12:53, 20 March 2017 (UTC)no it should not°°°°°°°°°°°°≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠§§§§§§
Why does cellulite redirect here? There's nothing in this article about cellulite. -- Kimiko 21:01, 11 Jun 2004 (UTC)
good point. I'll make a stubb ;-) Erich 01:56, 12 Jun 2004 (UTC)
How about adding a stub to the "Adipocyte" entry. Because a tissue is something cpmpletely different than a certain type of cells? -- Frosty 21:24, 16 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Obesity has been nominated to be improved on Wikipedia:This week's improvement drive. Vote for it there to support the article.-- Fenice 20:15, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
This section should be exclusively about the social and cultural significance of adipose tissue. Issues about body shape should be (and are) on the obesity page. Zargulon 15:40, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
I agree. I didn't want to completely rock the boat, since I guess someone put it there for a reason. But I personally would agree with changing the title of that section , or getting rid of it altogether. Zargulon 16:27, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
I also agree. I jumped straight down to the social and cultural section, and there was two lines that linked to other pages. This section should be cut. 174.116.53.88 ( talk) 19:18, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi,
On the Dieting page(the exact quote is at the end of this post) it states that body fat has a large amount of carbon mass. I was wondering if it is possible for a picture of the body fat molecules to be drawn, like was done for Hydrogen_peroxide and Lipid?
I did see the molecule picture on triglyceride and lipid, but is there one for regular fat?
"The exhalation of carbon in carbon dioxide comes from carbon mass in the body, a substantial amount of which in turn comes from fat. Essentially the greater part of body fat, the long carbon chains, is lost from the body by breathing."
Bryan 11:15, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
From the article:
I think I understand about half of these words. Does this belong in Wikipedia? Han-Kwang 20:07, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
So when someone gets fatter do new adipose cells get created or are the old ones growing?-- Energman 19:13, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Mostly the cells enlarge. But mammals turn over their fat cells all the time. Old ones die (by apoptosis) and new ones are formed from precursors - so new cells are being created all the time. I am not aware of a good literature on absolute adipocyte turnover rates although some drugs (thiazolidinediones) seem to have big effects on this process. However the issue in obesity is mostly increased cell volume. S.w.coppack 18:23, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
I can't see why these three terms need their own articles; I can't see them being developed much further and they could easily be accommodated within this one (or another more appropriate?) - any thoughts? Madmedea 19:20, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
There is an important distinction. Subcutaneous fat and visceral fat are clearly adipose tissue. They should be merged. Intramuscular fat is different. Sometimes, when there is a lot of intramuscular fat, one gets identifiable adipose tissue in the muscle. However in lean animals (and people) there will be just triglyceride stores in the myocytes (muscle cells) plus or minus a few isolated adipocytes between the muscle fibres. Intramuscular fat should not be merged - it should be referenced. Caroline Pond's citation explains all this. S.w.coppack 18:28, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
I have a few questions about the statement "Human fat tissue contains about 87% lipids." Can anyone point to a scientific source that states that particular number? Also, I am wondering what the remaining 13% are. Enclosed water? Proteins? It would be great if someone could clarify and corroborate that statement. Mirko Raner 23:24, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
--> Also, it would be great to know which lipids (ie which fatty acids are stored, or make up the triglycerides stored in adipose). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.161.121.253 ( talk) 09:37, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
This article currently does not mention whether obesity (or excess adipose tissue) is caused by an increased number of adipose cells, or from enlarged adipose cells, or both. It is an important point to clarify in this article. Does anyone have access to a source for this? Mehrshad123 01:40, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Most models of obesity are mostly due to cellular enlargement, although slightly increased numbers are also seen. For example very obese humans might have 10 fold increased fat mass compared to skinny people. Most of this will be from cellular expansion. The adipocyte volumes might increase 4-5 fold, with a 2 fold increase in number. The Cinti reference cited covers this. S.w.coppack 18:17, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
No Merge - I think that merging visceral fat article into the main Adipose is a bad idea; there are some important distinctions, and a lot of new research being currently done in this area. More content should be added. 69.209.226.60 20:57, 25 May 2007 (UTC) Caterina Pryde 5/25/07
No Merge - Agreed - viceral fat is being blamed for many medical conditions. Reports in the media suggest that viceral fat cells give off substances that negatively affect the heart and other organs in ways that subcutaneous fat does not. From a public health perspective, I think it deserves to be separate, even if it is just a subset of fatty tissues in general. MarkinBoston 21:43, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Merge - Agreed. Visceral fat is a sort of adipose tissue. To exclude it suggests that it is not. Until the Adipose tissue topic becomes unweildy, I would include visceral fat. S.w.coppack 18:10, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
I believe this post was intend to be a vote for merging. Based on the content his/her post, I believe S.w.coppack intended to agreed with merging, rather that the post above him/her. I am placing a bold merge/no merge in from of each post for clarity. Bpage 08:46, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Merge - I think both visceral fat and subcutaneous fat should be merged here. They are types of adipose tissue. None of the three articles are particularly long. Merging them would result in a more clear understand of any of the three subjects. Bpage 08:46, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
No Merge – While I think that both subcutaneous fat and visceral fat should be subsections under adipose tissue in their current state, they should have their own articles eventually, as they are rather distinct. Merging them into Adipose tissue would lessen the imperative to expand the stubs as they now exist, which I think would be a step in the wrong direction. I have linked them in the current article to emphasize the connection, but maintain that they should not be merged. ~XarBioGeek ( talk) 01:33, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
Another comment. I think readers are more interested in the distribution of Adipose Tissue in Humans rather than in Mice. [E. A.] 16 August 2007
How efficient is the human body in storing energy? How much is effectively used after storing and re-burning? -- Sigmundur ( talk) 20:36, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Titling the section Visceral fat makes it clearer because
As an obesity researcher in the US (1997-2002), the term I heard most often (by far) in professional circles was "central," not abdominal or visceral. Dcs002 ( talk) 04:03, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
I removed angiotensin from this list because angiotensinogen is made in the liver and converted to angiotensin in the blood. I looked around for a source that says it's derived from fat tissue and couldn't find one.
Also, I have to say that I'm uncomfortable with cytokines like TNF-alpha and IL-6 being in this list. Hormones are endocrine by definition, meaning they are released into the blood and act at a remote location. Cytokines are generally paracrine, meaning they are released from the cell and act locally (on nearby cells), or autocrine, meaning they are released from the cell and act on surface receptors on the cell that just released them. Does anyone know of a true endocrine function of adipose-derived TNF-alpha and IL-6, and if so, do you have a source?
I'm sorry if I'm mistaken about these issues -- I'm a teacher, and I used to be an obesity researcher (used angiotensin II and leptin in my work), but I'm getting older... Dcs002 ( talk) 09:19, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
References should follow wikipedia guideline ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#Scholarship) and not contain advertisment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.152.132.31 ( talk) 15:18, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
I don't remember the conventions about disambiguation pages. Should adipose be a disambiguation page instead of a redirect to here? Few readers really needed to see the hatnote about the Dr. Who monster, and there's also adipose fin and adipose gene. -- Dan Wylie-Sears 2 ( talk) 05:32, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
I don't think Adipose should be a disambiguation page, but I think instead of the hatnote we should link to Adipose (disambiguation) which can list other uses, as well. ~rezecib ( talk) 07:30, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
Please upload more images for this article. Pdiddyjr ( talk) 16:33, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
How exactly does this contribute to this article? I understand that research on mice is important in scientific research, but isn't the point of Wikipedia to further the knowledge of most readers, not scientists? Granted, like many pages in biology, this encyclopaedia talks about more than humans (animals too) but it just seems out of place to me. Am I missing something? meteor_sandwich_yum ( talk) 23:07, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
On section "Anatomical features" is is stated that "In humans, adipose tissue is located beneath the skin (subcutaneous fat)". Nevertheless, in the "Abdominal fat" sub-section the last sentence of the first paragraph states "Visceral fat is considered adipose tissue whereas subcutaneous fat is not considered as such".
I hope this helps LaFiebre ( talk) 06:56, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
I know that both Brain fat and sometime other fats like Lipomastic fat aren't beta-oxidised easily for energy, either by a natural mechanism (to preserve the brain) or by a metabolic problem (Lipomastia in Men).
What is the name of such Adipose tissue? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ben-Yeudith ( talk • contribs) 10:52, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
It shows "white" "bedge" and "brown". I'm assuming the bedge should be beige.
I don't know how to edit images. Jeljo ( talk) 16:42, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
Abdominal obesity is currently preferred over central obesity so I have changed that to avoid confusion across articles. Altanner1991 ( talk) 19:44, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
The second picture in the infobox (Adipocyte types.jpg) has a typo. It says "Bedge Adipocyte" where it should say "Beige Adipocyte". 2601:2C3:480:FCD0:45C8:6342:A2E6:7F86 ( talk) 07:12, 8 June 2023 (UTC)