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...is perfectly acceptable English, as is US-EU relations, US Armed Forces, and other such common compound noun phrases containing abbreviations. Unless a source can be found to substantiate the claim that the EU uses the adjective "Macedonian", it should be avoided altogether. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· ( talk) 12:33, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
Exactly. Why does the country's name have to be mentioned so many times anyway? It's not as if this is a " Македонска Радио-Телевизија" news bulletin, where every second phrase is "Република Македонија". ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· ( talk) 15:06, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
The title here is simply not politically and/or institutionally correct. This article is supposed to describe the accession process (and relationship) of fYROM with the EU. However, the title is distorted by ignoring reputable sources for the naming reference of fYROM, which are very consistent to each other, such as:
The net effect of this is, that the very international organisations that are the primary stakeholders are not followed up in a compatible manner and the question here becomes why Wikipedia takes a partial view on the naming, side-stepping its own sources. IMHO, it is difficult to refuse all these organisations' intentions, which at least include representation of both parties. Furthermore, the article naming scheme is inconsistent with the very body (EU) that it refers to. In effect, leaving the title as-is implies taking a side among two debating parties (=bias), in effect using the self-determination argument in favour of one side and against another.
212.76.243.136 ( talk) 02:55, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
OK, I just confirmed that all the following organizations consistently refer to fYROM as such:
So, the question is now with editors to explain why there has to be so much inconsistency between these bodies and wikipedia naming conventions. Picking a direction that is going against so many formal sources is a poor choice and will inevitably increase the work of authors of subsequent articles, when they wish to base their contributions on material coming from these sources (presumably reputable sources).
212.76.243.136 ( talk) 03:41, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
The Centralized discussion set up to decide on a comprehensive naming convention about Macedonia-related naming practices is now inviting comments on a number of competing proposals from the community. Please register your opinions on the RfC subpages 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5. (Pages 2 and 4 deal with the conventions most directly affecting this article.)
Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:28, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Excuse me Yanni, but why the capitals in "Former" again [6]? All the official EU documents and EU websites I see (e.g. [7], [8], [9], [10]) consistently use the proper UN convention of the lower-case "f". (If there are cases where they don't, I suspect that will be largely because of syntactic context, for instance because it might be in a title, where everything is capitalised.) Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:47, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
I think that the accession of Croatia (and Slovenia for that matter) have more relevance to this article than currently comes through, but I am not sure where to add it in. Any suggestions? Here are some references that are relevant: [12] [13] [14] —Zujine| talk 17:38, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
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Given that the country was renamed North Macedonia so that it could enter the European Union, should this article be renamed Accession of North Macedonia to the European Union? Blaylockjam10 ( talk) 22:42, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
Could be placed as simply Republic of Macedonia? -- Alexsports ( talk) 13:21, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
Lets keep in mind that although officially it has became North Macedonia becouse of taking part in NATO, as in Natovian Macedonia (North, NATO, almost the same), however citizens are Macedonians. -- Alexsports ( talk) 13:08, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
Move to Macedonia because that’s the real name. 2A02:C7E:3AA0:9200:2D37:7E00:97E1:2676 ( talk) 20:31, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
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...is perfectly acceptable English, as is US-EU relations, US Armed Forces, and other such common compound noun phrases containing abbreviations. Unless a source can be found to substantiate the claim that the EU uses the adjective "Macedonian", it should be avoided altogether. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· ( talk) 12:33, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
Exactly. Why does the country's name have to be mentioned so many times anyway? It's not as if this is a " Македонска Радио-Телевизија" news bulletin, where every second phrase is "Република Македонија". ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· ( talk) 15:06, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
The title here is simply not politically and/or institutionally correct. This article is supposed to describe the accession process (and relationship) of fYROM with the EU. However, the title is distorted by ignoring reputable sources for the naming reference of fYROM, which are very consistent to each other, such as:
The net effect of this is, that the very international organisations that are the primary stakeholders are not followed up in a compatible manner and the question here becomes why Wikipedia takes a partial view on the naming, side-stepping its own sources. IMHO, it is difficult to refuse all these organisations' intentions, which at least include representation of both parties. Furthermore, the article naming scheme is inconsistent with the very body (EU) that it refers to. In effect, leaving the title as-is implies taking a side among two debating parties (=bias), in effect using the self-determination argument in favour of one side and against another.
212.76.243.136 ( talk) 02:55, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
OK, I just confirmed that all the following organizations consistently refer to fYROM as such:
So, the question is now with editors to explain why there has to be so much inconsistency between these bodies and wikipedia naming conventions. Picking a direction that is going against so many formal sources is a poor choice and will inevitably increase the work of authors of subsequent articles, when they wish to base their contributions on material coming from these sources (presumably reputable sources).
212.76.243.136 ( talk) 03:41, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
The Centralized discussion set up to decide on a comprehensive naming convention about Macedonia-related naming practices is now inviting comments on a number of competing proposals from the community. Please register your opinions on the RfC subpages 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5. (Pages 2 and 4 deal with the conventions most directly affecting this article.)
Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:28, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Excuse me Yanni, but why the capitals in "Former" again [6]? All the official EU documents and EU websites I see (e.g. [7], [8], [9], [10]) consistently use the proper UN convention of the lower-case "f". (If there are cases where they don't, I suspect that will be largely because of syntactic context, for instance because it might be in a title, where everything is capitalised.) Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:47, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
I think that the accession of Croatia (and Slovenia for that matter) have more relevance to this article than currently comes through, but I am not sure where to add it in. Any suggestions? Here are some references that are relevant: [12] [13] [14] —Zujine| talk 17:38, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
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Given that the country was renamed North Macedonia so that it could enter the European Union, should this article be renamed Accession of North Macedonia to the European Union? Blaylockjam10 ( talk) 22:42, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
Could be placed as simply Republic of Macedonia? -- Alexsports ( talk) 13:21, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
Lets keep in mind that although officially it has became North Macedonia becouse of taking part in NATO, as in Natovian Macedonia (North, NATO, almost the same), however citizens are Macedonians. -- Alexsports ( talk) 13:08, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
Move to Macedonia because that’s the real name. 2A02:C7E:3AA0:9200:2D37:7E00:97E1:2676 ( talk) 20:31, 28 February 2022 (UTC)