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http://stomach-pain-usa.com/ Maybe?
Blind
man
shady 07:30, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Dear
Nunh, I'm pleased to find you reverting my work again. Could you please argue why abdominal pain is not a gastroenterological disease? Yeah, family doctors and especially
gynaecologists see lots of them. But the main causes of abdominal pain are handled by
surgeons (acute) or
gastroenterologists (chronic). I'm reintroducing the box, and await your argumentation.
JFW |
T@lk 03:05, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Allright, it's a
symptom, not an actual disease. So are some others in my cherished box (
nausea,
vomiting,
diarrhea). It would be a lovely job to make seperate boxes for symptoms and others for diseases, but IMHO this clouds the issues.
Indeed, when I'm finished doing all these boxes (see
WikiDoc), this article might well have a box from
gastroenterology and
surgery. Episodic or chronic abdominal pain is not surgical. It's a gastroenterologist's job to determine whether this patient needs to be worked up for
rare diseases such as
FMF and
C1-esterase deficiency.
JFW |
T@lk 03:16, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)
The purpose of these boxes is to link together as much medicine as possible, preferably with as little linking as possible. There is inevitably some overlap between specialisms; will we have the same argument over
allergic rhinitis? This is treated mainly by family doctors, although it's an ENT diagnosis.
Could you suggest which specialism is best suited to link to "abdominal pain"?
JFW |
T@lk 03:29, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)
This is completely off the point. As I stated above, the end result of this exercise might well be that the "abdominal pain" page will be—as you call it—"defaced" by several horizontal linking elements, each for all the specialisms that might involve themselves with Jane Doe's recurrent abdominal cramps in the week before her period. I thought I'd made abundantly clear that I'm not forcing abdominal pain into any particular organ system!
If you don't like the horizontal linking, please just state this outright.
JFW |
T@lk 03:38, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I'll refrain from dropping lots of boxes on the page. Indeed, this would amount to overkill. I do not agree that Wikipedia would not benefit from the type of navigational element I've sought to introduce. The complete absence of hierarchical structure can cause a lot of confusion.
By the way, I don't need to be reminded of the need for wikipedia
content.
JFW |
T@lk 03:55, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Great. May I suggest we provide links on the pages to the specialisms involved? I would recommend just five:
surgery,
family medicine,
gynecology,
internal medicine and
gastroenterology. It would establish a vertical order without suggesting there's a horizontal one.
By the way, could you define "destructive" and "proliferate"?
JFW |
T@lk 04:08, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Do I envision that? The answer is probably "yes". I agree with you on the narrowness of menu structure; they can impose constraints where these are unwarranted. In this particular article, I agree that lots of boxes would seriously deface the page. There are undoubtedly other examples.
However, many cities, counties and personalities are linked by "blue boxes" just because they happen to have a form of spacial or temporal proximity. Wikipedia seems to be tolerating this quite well, without upsetting layout conventions—even if their structure is premade and quite rigid.
JFW |
T@lk 04:39, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Well, I'm finished arguing. My menu effort is certainly not aimed at pushing my (or anyone's) view, apart from creating some sense of unity in Wikipedia's medical segment. And Mediawiki messages can be edited by everybody, including you! Requires no privileges! The "serious consideration" will be given in wiki style: by consensus and debate. The matter of whether navigational elements should be introduced is something for admins and bureaucrats. JFW | T@lk 05:04, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I think as long as people know that severe or sudden abdominal pain can be a medical emergency and seek treatment at their local emergency department, you could merely say on the site that abdominal pain can be a feature of a range of problems that relate to a number of fields including gastroenterology, gynaecology, and surgery, and could be appropriately treated in either an inpatient setting, in a hospital, or in the community, through your local GP. The point you make about recurrent abdominal pain in young women is helpful, because it allows such people an understanding of the various causes of abdominal pain that are relevant to them, even if they may be somewhat difficult for us to treat.
Almost everyone gets some form of abdominal pain, and everyone realises that there are many different levels, causes, and degrees of severity. The advise is simple, basic and useful, without frightening or concerning a patient. It presents information at a level that allows their doctor to help guide and explain through what they have learned, rather than confusing the doctor-patient relationship by providing excessive and therefore potentially misguiding advice. I was impressed with the page.
|Perhaps you all used words I don't understand, but I don't see the simple words: Eating too much or eating too fast anywhere on this page. I would think that would be a major cause of stomachaches.
- a common problem with eating disorders 82.31.207.100 ( talk) 01:20, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Should this article be considered for list class? It can either be shaped to fit 'list class' or as a proper article. Since a huge number of causes may be enumerated, I would rather propose it to be the former. Requesting insights. Diptanshu Talk 07:51, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
What about a hunger feeling so you eat something and then a few minutes later you poop. Also have body aches, burping, an insomnia. Mrp8196 ( talk) 07:45, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
I didn't see you talk about mensuration pain....and when some females are having their mensuration,they feel a lot of pain in the lower abdomen. Stephy451 ( talk) 13:33, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
Hello all, I am working on revising this article as part of a four-week long fourth year course at the UCSF School of Medicine focused on improving Wikipedia’s medical content. My plan for the next few weeks for improving this article follows…
1. Improve introduction: Create a more descriptive opening sentence, incorporate more thorough details on epidemiology (move up the section on epidemiology regarding frequency of presentation of patients with abdominal pain)
2. Move up section on Diagnostic approach - with prongs: history, physical (reference Bates’ Guide to Physical Examination), further diagnostic tests.
3. Improve section on differential diagnosis: Begin with discussion of epidemiology of most common causes into this introduction. Use an organ systems approach to the listing of various diseases processes that fall under the abdominal pain category.
4. Treatment: Consider symptom-based strategies for treatment of abdominal pain, while also guiding readers to other pages for information on treatment of specific syndromes/diseases.
5. Healthcare costs. Given the importance of economic metrics in today’s healthcare system, I feel that any relevant article on specific health conditions should offer some insight into the costs of the problem within healthcare. I will examine review articles that quantify the costs that healthcare systems carry because of patients who present with abdominal pain.
I appreciate any feedback you all might have now or in the coming weeks as I move forward with this project! Please let me know if you have any questions.
Best wishes, Cynthia
Cynthia018 ( talk) 01:33, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
Greetings! I'm a 4th year medical student and will be working to improve this article over the next couple of weeks. My specific goals include:
Thank you to the former student who worked on this project last December! I'm looking forward to further improving this article, as it is an incredibly important chief complaint in medicine. Fruitsandveggies ( talk) 21:32, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
Overall, very good and meaningful edit.
I like the opening statement for the section "By location." It gives a more clear introduction of the purpose of this section. Also, good job on renaming the regions to be more consistent with the current medical terminology. The format is more clear and easier to read than before as well. To improve on this section, try to explain the term Epigastic with a description. Peri-umbilical is a good example. Some contents can be added. For example, LLQ should also have gynecologic, renal, and pelvic causes, just like RLQ. It probably doesn't need to be repeated in both sections, but you may say "see RLQ for associated gyn, renal, pelvic causes."
Shunyiwan ( talk) 01:47, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
The redirect Winde (medical symptom) has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 9 § Winde (medical symptom) until a consensus is reached. Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk 15:35, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
Hi, this is Rawan,
I am planning to arrange acute abdomen causes in to a nice table so the information becomes more understandable and less poring to read. What do you think? Rawan Code 7 ( talk) 12:03, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
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Abdominal pain article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. |
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level-5 vital article is rated C-class on Wikipedia's
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Ideal sources for Wikipedia's health content are defined in the guideline
Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources (medicine) and are typically
review articles. Here are links to possibly useful sources of information about Abdominal pain.
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This article is or was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Cynthia018. Peer reviewers: NewDancinShoes, Ameliaw.
Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT ( talk) 13:14, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
http://stomach-pain-usa.com/ Maybe?
Blind
man
shady 07:30, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Dear
Nunh, I'm pleased to find you reverting my work again. Could you please argue why abdominal pain is not a gastroenterological disease? Yeah, family doctors and especially
gynaecologists see lots of them. But the main causes of abdominal pain are handled by
surgeons (acute) or
gastroenterologists (chronic). I'm reintroducing the box, and await your argumentation.
JFW |
T@lk 03:05, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Allright, it's a
symptom, not an actual disease. So are some others in my cherished box (
nausea,
vomiting,
diarrhea). It would be a lovely job to make seperate boxes for symptoms and others for diseases, but IMHO this clouds the issues.
Indeed, when I'm finished doing all these boxes (see
WikiDoc), this article might well have a box from
gastroenterology and
surgery. Episodic or chronic abdominal pain is not surgical. It's a gastroenterologist's job to determine whether this patient needs to be worked up for
rare diseases such as
FMF and
C1-esterase deficiency.
JFW |
T@lk 03:16, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)
The purpose of these boxes is to link together as much medicine as possible, preferably with as little linking as possible. There is inevitably some overlap between specialisms; will we have the same argument over
allergic rhinitis? This is treated mainly by family doctors, although it's an ENT diagnosis.
Could you suggest which specialism is best suited to link to "abdominal pain"?
JFW |
T@lk 03:29, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)
This is completely off the point. As I stated above, the end result of this exercise might well be that the "abdominal pain" page will be—as you call it—"defaced" by several horizontal linking elements, each for all the specialisms that might involve themselves with Jane Doe's recurrent abdominal cramps in the week before her period. I thought I'd made abundantly clear that I'm not forcing abdominal pain into any particular organ system!
If you don't like the horizontal linking, please just state this outright.
JFW |
T@lk 03:38, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I'll refrain from dropping lots of boxes on the page. Indeed, this would amount to overkill. I do not agree that Wikipedia would not benefit from the type of navigational element I've sought to introduce. The complete absence of hierarchical structure can cause a lot of confusion.
By the way, I don't need to be reminded of the need for wikipedia
content.
JFW |
T@lk 03:55, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Great. May I suggest we provide links on the pages to the specialisms involved? I would recommend just five:
surgery,
family medicine,
gynecology,
internal medicine and
gastroenterology. It would establish a vertical order without suggesting there's a horizontal one.
By the way, could you define "destructive" and "proliferate"?
JFW |
T@lk 04:08, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Do I envision that? The answer is probably "yes". I agree with you on the narrowness of menu structure; they can impose constraints where these are unwarranted. In this particular article, I agree that lots of boxes would seriously deface the page. There are undoubtedly other examples.
However, many cities, counties and personalities are linked by "blue boxes" just because they happen to have a form of spacial or temporal proximity. Wikipedia seems to be tolerating this quite well, without upsetting layout conventions—even if their structure is premade and quite rigid.
JFW |
T@lk 04:39, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Well, I'm finished arguing. My menu effort is certainly not aimed at pushing my (or anyone's) view, apart from creating some sense of unity in Wikipedia's medical segment. And Mediawiki messages can be edited by everybody, including you! Requires no privileges! The "serious consideration" will be given in wiki style: by consensus and debate. The matter of whether navigational elements should be introduced is something for admins and bureaucrats. JFW | T@lk 05:04, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I think as long as people know that severe or sudden abdominal pain can be a medical emergency and seek treatment at their local emergency department, you could merely say on the site that abdominal pain can be a feature of a range of problems that relate to a number of fields including gastroenterology, gynaecology, and surgery, and could be appropriately treated in either an inpatient setting, in a hospital, or in the community, through your local GP. The point you make about recurrent abdominal pain in young women is helpful, because it allows such people an understanding of the various causes of abdominal pain that are relevant to them, even if they may be somewhat difficult for us to treat.
Almost everyone gets some form of abdominal pain, and everyone realises that there are many different levels, causes, and degrees of severity. The advise is simple, basic and useful, without frightening or concerning a patient. It presents information at a level that allows their doctor to help guide and explain through what they have learned, rather than confusing the doctor-patient relationship by providing excessive and therefore potentially misguiding advice. I was impressed with the page.
|Perhaps you all used words I don't understand, but I don't see the simple words: Eating too much or eating too fast anywhere on this page. I would think that would be a major cause of stomachaches.
- a common problem with eating disorders 82.31.207.100 ( talk) 01:20, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Should this article be considered for list class? It can either be shaped to fit 'list class' or as a proper article. Since a huge number of causes may be enumerated, I would rather propose it to be the former. Requesting insights. Diptanshu Talk 07:51, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
What about a hunger feeling so you eat something and then a few minutes later you poop. Also have body aches, burping, an insomnia. Mrp8196 ( talk) 07:45, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
I didn't see you talk about mensuration pain....and when some females are having their mensuration,they feel a lot of pain in the lower abdomen. Stephy451 ( talk) 13:33, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
Hello all, I am working on revising this article as part of a four-week long fourth year course at the UCSF School of Medicine focused on improving Wikipedia’s medical content. My plan for the next few weeks for improving this article follows…
1. Improve introduction: Create a more descriptive opening sentence, incorporate more thorough details on epidemiology (move up the section on epidemiology regarding frequency of presentation of patients with abdominal pain)
2. Move up section on Diagnostic approach - with prongs: history, physical (reference Bates’ Guide to Physical Examination), further diagnostic tests.
3. Improve section on differential diagnosis: Begin with discussion of epidemiology of most common causes into this introduction. Use an organ systems approach to the listing of various diseases processes that fall under the abdominal pain category.
4. Treatment: Consider symptom-based strategies for treatment of abdominal pain, while also guiding readers to other pages for information on treatment of specific syndromes/diseases.
5. Healthcare costs. Given the importance of economic metrics in today’s healthcare system, I feel that any relevant article on specific health conditions should offer some insight into the costs of the problem within healthcare. I will examine review articles that quantify the costs that healthcare systems carry because of patients who present with abdominal pain.
I appreciate any feedback you all might have now or in the coming weeks as I move forward with this project! Please let me know if you have any questions.
Best wishes, Cynthia
Cynthia018 ( talk) 01:33, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
Greetings! I'm a 4th year medical student and will be working to improve this article over the next couple of weeks. My specific goals include:
Thank you to the former student who worked on this project last December! I'm looking forward to further improving this article, as it is an incredibly important chief complaint in medicine. Fruitsandveggies ( talk) 21:32, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
Overall, very good and meaningful edit.
I like the opening statement for the section "By location." It gives a more clear introduction of the purpose of this section. Also, good job on renaming the regions to be more consistent with the current medical terminology. The format is more clear and easier to read than before as well. To improve on this section, try to explain the term Epigastic with a description. Peri-umbilical is a good example. Some contents can be added. For example, LLQ should also have gynecologic, renal, and pelvic causes, just like RLQ. It probably doesn't need to be repeated in both sections, but you may say "see RLQ for associated gyn, renal, pelvic causes."
Shunyiwan ( talk) 01:47, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
The redirect Winde (medical symptom) has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 9 § Winde (medical symptom) until a consensus is reached. Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk 15:35, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
Hi, this is Rawan,
I am planning to arrange acute abdomen causes in to a nice table so the information becomes more understandable and less poring to read. What do you think? Rawan Code 7 ( talk) 12:03, 23 September 2023 (UTC)