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Nominator: LEvalyn ( talk · contribs)
Reviewer: Asilvering ( talk · contribs) 16:05, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for the article! It looks like it's in really good shape already. I'll make minor changes myself, which you can contest/revert as you like. Individual comments are signed for your convenience in replying. --
asilvering (
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assumes the persona of "Miss Polly"I think it would help to clarify here that this persona means that he is crossdressing, and so successfully that the women are fooled. It might help to mention up-front (rather than just down in the analysis below) that Dick is particularly feminine. -- asilvering ( talk) 16:22, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
Nancy, Dick, and the squire depart for London in good cheer.Is Dick now pretending to be the maid, if Nancy is "
and trick the squire into marrying Nancy. Nancy, the squire, and "Miss Polly" depart for London in good cheer, let me know if you think any of the details I mentioned here should show up there. ~ L 🌸 ( talk) 18:38, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
When Dick and Maria first have sex, for example, the key moment is indicated primarily by Maria's exclamation of "What!"Is it possible to give more context? I don't think I can imagine how this works out in practice without actually reading the text itself. -- asilvering ( talk) 16:22, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
When Dick and Maria first have sex, for example, Dick describes embracing Maria, and then penetration is implied by Maria's exclamation of surprise when she realises that Dick's penis is not her dildo. Is that easier to picture? Here's the passage, which happens after Maria agrees to have sex with the dildo:
creating an entirely homoerotic scenario in which a man describes his seduction of another man for the titillation of a third manMissed this one earlier - when does this happen? I don't see anything about male-male seduction in the plot summary. -- asilvering ( talk) 23:36, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
Mother Midnight is remarkable not only in suggesting that male homoerotic desire is enjoyable but also in using the typical ingredients of the period’s fiction to convey that suggestion non-threateningly.(Thomason, p 272). I think some of this is getting a bit lost in the homoeroticism section. It's clear that the book is unusual in not being derogatory towards male-male pairs, but I think it's easy to read
The sexual encounters are presented as non-violent and enjoyable for all partiesas "it is unusual to depict sexual encounters that do not have negative components/results", not "it is unusual to suggest that being gay can be fun". I also get from Thomason that the book makes male homoerotic desire non-threatening, but from the paragraph in the wikipedia article it looks like the threat the book downplays is dildos, not m/m. (I presume it also downplays scary lesbian dildos as described, don't change that bit.) -- asilvering ( talk) 00:17, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
typically characterized as bawdy in fictionThomason (p 272) outright states they're often procuresses, so I think you might as well state that explicitly. -- asilvering ( talk) 00:17, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
The result was: promoted by
PrimalMustelid
talk 22:30, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 5 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.~ L 🌸 ( talk) 02:43, 3 April 2024 (UTC).
A Spy on Mother Midnight has been listed as one of the
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Nominator: LEvalyn ( talk · contribs)
Reviewer: Asilvering ( talk · contribs) 16:05, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for the article! It looks like it's in really good shape already. I'll make minor changes myself, which you can contest/revert as you like. Individual comments are signed for your convenience in replying. --
asilvering (
talk) 16:05, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
assumes the persona of "Miss Polly"I think it would help to clarify here that this persona means that he is crossdressing, and so successfully that the women are fooled. It might help to mention up-front (rather than just down in the analysis below) that Dick is particularly feminine. -- asilvering ( talk) 16:22, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
Nancy, Dick, and the squire depart for London in good cheer.Is Dick now pretending to be the maid, if Nancy is "
and trick the squire into marrying Nancy. Nancy, the squire, and "Miss Polly" depart for London in good cheer, let me know if you think any of the details I mentioned here should show up there. ~ L 🌸 ( talk) 18:38, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
When Dick and Maria first have sex, for example, the key moment is indicated primarily by Maria's exclamation of "What!"Is it possible to give more context? I don't think I can imagine how this works out in practice without actually reading the text itself. -- asilvering ( talk) 16:22, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
When Dick and Maria first have sex, for example, Dick describes embracing Maria, and then penetration is implied by Maria's exclamation of surprise when she realises that Dick's penis is not her dildo. Is that easier to picture? Here's the passage, which happens after Maria agrees to have sex with the dildo:
creating an entirely homoerotic scenario in which a man describes his seduction of another man for the titillation of a third manMissed this one earlier - when does this happen? I don't see anything about male-male seduction in the plot summary. -- asilvering ( talk) 23:36, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
Mother Midnight is remarkable not only in suggesting that male homoerotic desire is enjoyable but also in using the typical ingredients of the period’s fiction to convey that suggestion non-threateningly.(Thomason, p 272). I think some of this is getting a bit lost in the homoeroticism section. It's clear that the book is unusual in not being derogatory towards male-male pairs, but I think it's easy to read
The sexual encounters are presented as non-violent and enjoyable for all partiesas "it is unusual to depict sexual encounters that do not have negative components/results", not "it is unusual to suggest that being gay can be fun". I also get from Thomason that the book makes male homoerotic desire non-threatening, but from the paragraph in the wikipedia article it looks like the threat the book downplays is dildos, not m/m. (I presume it also downplays scary lesbian dildos as described, don't change that bit.) -- asilvering ( talk) 00:17, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
typically characterized as bawdy in fictionThomason (p 272) outright states they're often procuresses, so I think you might as well state that explicitly. -- asilvering ( talk) 00:17, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
The result was: promoted by
PrimalMustelid
talk 22:30, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 5 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.~ L 🌸 ( talk) 02:43, 3 April 2024 (UTC).