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Why are all these numbers hyphenated, in the article? Dysprosia 04:58, 24 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I understand that, due to the global nature of the Internet, it is difficult to establish the physical location of someone calling 9-1-1 with VoIP. However, many ads and websites know pretty exactly where I am, apparently from my IP address. Try yourself: Find your location according to your IP Wouldn't that be a (partial) solution to the problem?-- Soylentyellow 15:52, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
The article says that "sometimes calls to India will end up at the emergency dispatch office". I don't get it. Is there any real event that can be use to prove this?
Without outside line prefix: 011 + 91 + ...
With prefix "9": 9 + 011 + 91 + ...
In both cases, the dialing sequence includes "011" and the "011" has clearly indicates that the call is to India, not to emergency services.
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I added informationa about the FBI's phone directory. I work for my local 911 center. That's how we get phone numbers for other agencies quickly. I didn't include references. Don't know that there are any. I know it's there, though, cause I use it all the time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.113.19.8 ( talk) 03:22, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure how you get it. I work for an agency in Utah. In our BCI system, you type TQ or TQM in the transaction code box and it'll pull it up. You can find the agency's ORI and phone number through it. It's been very helpful for us. I would suggest contact your state's BCI service and ask them about it. Again, it's called the Orion file.
Good call. I was able to find a source for it. Thanks.
Needs references most of all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SGGH ( talk • contribs) 11:08, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
The Dialing patterns sections contains a number of unlikely situations.
So even dialing an international prefix like 0-1-1- would get you 9-0-1-1 but as soon as the hotel guest hits "0" it rings the front desk or PBX operator.
As soon as the hotel guest hits "9", he indicates that he wants to call an outside line, so there's no reason that it will ring the front desk or PBX operator.
Another possible problem is that the international phone code for India is "91", and sometimes calls meant for India end up at the local emergency dispatch office.
As I noted above, it is really not a problem if the "0-1-1" international dialing prefix is dialed. -- Joshua C hi e w 23:44, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
I work in a 911 center. We get several of those a day in our county. All of those situations are not only likely, but occur all the time. It doesn't make any sense to me, either. I'm not sure why or how people do it, but they do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.113.19.8 ( talk) 03:52, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
RDV 25-March-07 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.102.33.34 ( talk) 08:23, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Meaning no disrespect, but most of you are showing your (young) ages. ALL n11 codes were reserved for "special services" in the 1920's. In addition to 611, 411, and 211 which have already been mentioned, there was a variety of uses for some of the other codes. I know it's hard to believe, but there was once a time in history when you had to place all long distance calls through an operator, and you sometimes had to hang up and wait to be called back when the connection finally went through.
n11 service codes have NOT been chosen so that they don't conflict with area codes; in fact, the exact opposite is true. Area codes didn't even exist when n11 were designated for "special services," and area codes had to be designed so that they didn't conflict with the already-existing special service codes.
It also should be remembered that initially most dial telephone numbers consisted of an exchange name and four or five digits. You dialed the first two or three letters of the name, then the numbers. (PENnsylvania-3481 or PEnnsylvania6-3481). There are no letters assigned to the "1" hole on a telephone dial, so a n11 code could not be used as an exchange code or name.
RDV, 2March2007
See A History of Engineering and Science in the Bell System: The Early Years 1875 - 1925. M.D. Fagin, Editor. Bell Telephone Laboratories, 1975 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.27.190.53 ( talk) 00:53, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
I should mention that I also added a section to the main article describing how emergency calls were handled in the pre-dial telephone era, and how that changed when people got dial phones.
RDV, 20March2007 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 07:29, 20 March 2007 (UTC) ( talk)
One thing the article doesn't explain is if the 9-1-1 central only receives calls and send out an alarm - or they also commnicate with the dispatched units (fire, police, EMS) after an alarm have been sent out.
In Denmark the 1-1-2 central receives the emergency call and sends out an alarm to an operation control centre operated by the emergency service(s) needed. All communication afterwards is between the vehicles and their control centre. If any questions about the alarm the control centre may call up the 1-1-2 central which sent out the alarm.
But how does it work in the US ? -- |EPO| 13:27, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
There may be some dispute as when to call 911 or how to report a crime. There is a vote on my userpage debating the issue. -- Defender 911 23:08, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
I noticed a lot of users added a number of other emergency numbers in the section International emergency numbers and numbers in other countries. While I think that giving 9-9-9 and 1-1-2 as examples (the two most common ones) is OK, but the rest less common numbers should not be included. A link to Emergency telephone number is pretty enough. -- Joshua C hi e w 23:48, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm troubled by my opinion that something needs to be in this section, but I can't reference it per se: How does someone without access to the various law enforcement databases reach the PSAP in a distant area? This is something I have faced personally, but, as a communications engineer, I solved it from general experience. This experience is less what I'd call "original research", and more what patents call "obvious to one skilled in the art."
As one real-world example, I had a call from a friend, drifting in and out of unconsciousness, 3000 miles away in western Canada while I was in the eastern US. Luckily, I had multiple phone lines, and was able to call the municipal library to try to get a direct number into the PSAP. With this long-distance number, I three-way-conferenced my call, and stayed on the line until the paramedics picked up. The library isn't the only possible source, but I was able to find its number more easily than that of the town operator, and I thought a reference librarian might be more resourceful than a telephone operator.
I could, I suppose, publish this somewhere and reference it, but I feel it is useful information. Suggestions?
Hcberkowitz 20:39, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
See also: Talk:9-1-1 Emergency Telephone Number Day
When the 9-1-1 system was originally introduced, it was advertised as the "nine-eleven" service. This cause some problems when people looked for the "eleven" key on their telephones. Therefore all references to the telephone number 9-1-1' are now always made as nine-one-one, never as nine-eleven.
That sounds a bit implausable. Wouldn't this be an urbal legend? Zocky 10:48 Jan 24, 2003 (UTC)
I have worked for a 911 center for 9 years, and that is what we are always taught. It does have the air of urban legend, but some of the textbook materials does include that rationale.-- Nh911guy 12:56, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
When I was the Library of Congress representative to the Federal Telecommunications Standards Committee, 1976-1979, the "eleven" problem was mentioned by the Federal Communications Commission and National Communications System staff. Hcberkowitz 19:14, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
OH NO!, somebody added:
I have changed this to
For Other Countries Emergency telephone numbers see:
and put the following note at the top of the page to stop anyone else being too helpful and duplicating articles (AGAIN).
Important Note: This page deals only with Emergency telephone number 9-1-1, not other emergency telephone numbers.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hcberkowitz ( talk • contribs) 19:16, 20 March 2007 (UTC).
The above should be here, not on the article...
Is "universal emergency number" a mistake? This is only the number for north America. Isn't 112 the world wide number? CGS 14:15, 8 Sep 2003 (UTC).
Why is there nothing in this article about how some people abuse 9-1-1. 216.201.33.20 10:54, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
In the U.S., FCC rules require every telephone that can physically access the network to be able to dial 911, regardless of any reason that normal service may have been disconnected (including non-payment). On wired (land line) phones, this usually is accomplished by a "soft" dial tone, which sounds normal, but will only allow emergency calls. Often, an unused and unpublished phone number will be issued to the line so that it will work properly.
I've never heard of this. I'm in Illinois, and dead lines (at least cancelled ones) are really dead here-- no dial tone or power at all. I'm familiar with phones in both Ameritech/ SBC and GTE/ Verizon ILEC territories. Someone needs to check this paragraph; I suspect that, at best, it might be a law in a few states. Cell phones, on the other hand, always seem to work here, and are required to connect to 911 regardless of the subscription status of the phone. -- Closeapple 07:02, 2004 Dec 5 (UTC)
I stand corrected. I personally encountered a GTE/ Verizon line that was telling incoming callers that the number was disconnected, but had a dial tone and would respond to every non-emergency outgoing call with a recorded message to call a Verizon collections number. Strangely enough, it wouldn't allow that Verizon number to be dialed either. I didn't dare to call 911 to see if it would work, but I assume it would. I had no way of telling whether the number was changed or just artificially blocked with a permanent-disconnect message. -- Closeapple 17:51:37, 2005-08-29 (UTC)
Does anyone else think that it would be easier and better to say something like "Many television shows and movies have made fun of the number, often having a character ask for the number for 9-1-1, such as in the Simpsons, Home Improvement, [etc]." That just seems better than listing off many examples. -- MPD T / C 03:10, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
Here is the removed section in case anyone wants to add anything relevant into appropriate parts of the article:
9-1-1 in popular culture
* The number's close association with emergencies has led to 911 being used as shorthand for emergency in text messages sent to pagers and mobile phones—however, this is often used to tag situations which do not have the life-safety implications that an actual call to 911 implies. * The hip hop group Public Enemy released a song that was scathingly critical of the 9-1-1 service entitled “911 Is A Joke” on their 1990 album Fear of a Black Planet. The song highlighted the poor performance of the 9-1-1 service in predominantly black neighborhoods. * The Cyndi Lauper album True Colors contains a track entitled “911.” * In an episode of The Simpsons, Homer picks up the phone and says, "Operator, give me the number for 9-1-1!" (As one will see, this is not an isolated incident.) He also receives the "true" emergency phone number of 9-1-2 when he joins the Stonecutters. * In another episode of The Simpsons, police chief Clancy Wiggum apparently receives a 9-1-1 call at his home during the town lottery, to which he responds, "No, you got the wrong number. This is nine-one....two." * From 1989 to 1996 CBS aired Rescue 911, a television show which featured host William Shatner and dramatic recreations of actual emergencies and the corresponding response of 9-1-1. * In the “Crazy For You” episode of Home Improvement, Tim Allen's Tim Taylor calls the operator and says "Operator - what's the number for 911?" He then tells the operator to "slow down" as he writes it down. * In the movie The Santa Clause, also with Tim Allen; upon hearing the noise on his roof, Allen's Scott Calvin asks his son if he knows how to dial 9-1-1 to which the son replies, "yeah, 9-1-1." * On the 1992 "Earthquake!" episode of Saved By The Bell, a character is told to call 911. The character promptly asks, "What's the number?" A similar scene also occurred in Ed, Edd n Eddy. * In the 1994 film adaptation of Little Rascals, two kids in the gang consider calling the fire department to put out a fire, but decide otherwise when they realize neither of them knows the number for 911. In the scene, the fire department is actually across the street from the pay phone they were using. One of the kids asks someone "What is the number for 911?" * In the Disney animated movie Hercules, Hercules rescues two children from a cave-in in a gorge (which was actually a staged calamity to lure Hercules into danger), and one of the children can be heard saying; "Someone call IX I I", which are the Roman numerals for 9-1-1. * The American TV show Reno 9-1-1! Features Lt. Jim Dangle and the escapades of the Reno Sheriff's department on the Comedy Central Channel.
13.8.125.11 16:20, 2 November 2007 (UTC) Forgot to Log in Tony P 16:39, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
If no one uses the dashes, but they are needed in the article title, then they should appear in the article title but not in the body of the article. -- Evertype· ✆ 10:46, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
9=5678394+367346+676989845+iu57894 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.45.23.115 ( talk) 12:57, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
I've removed the following reasons to not call 911: flat tires, thefts that occurred in the past, noise complaints, suspicious people, etc. [1]. First, the source given doesn't support any of these assertions. Second, in some jurisdictions noise complaints and thefts are supposed to be reported to 911. Third, "suspicious people" is sometimes a good reason to call 911. The source promotes a "better safe than sorry" philosophy particularly as a message for children. Clayoquot ( talk | contribs) 07:57, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
According to the Winnipeg Police History [1] the emergency number originally instituted in 1959 was actually 999. Should the article be edited to include this, or would it make more sense to remove this reference altogether, since it makes more sense on the emergency number page than the 911 page. Joe Canadian86 ( talk) 18:53, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
A few small issues:
"As a result, while widely announced as a national emergency telephone number, by 2008, coverage of the service was still not complete, and about 4 percent of the United States did not have 9-1-1 service.[11]" but the very next sentence says, "In over 98% of locations in the United States and Canada, dialing "911" from any telephone will link the caller to an emergency dispatch center." Since the U.S. is so much larger than Canada, it seems unlikely that even 100% coverage in Canada would make up for the 4% missing in the U.S. Also, that paragraph goes on to say that 96% of the U.S. has E911 coverage, which could only be true (compared to the first sentence) if basically no one in the U.S. has plain 911 coverage.
Hope this helps, WhatamIdoing ( talk) 21:18, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
Was the terrorist plan to sabotage the WTC inspired by the 911 emergency code? or coincidence? -- SuperDude 23:31, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
Everything that I have heard is that it was simply a coincidence. But I don't think anyone (outside al-Qaeda anyway) knows for sure. Rt66lt 03:14, September 8, 2005 (UTC)
-G —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 134.117.157.7 ( talk) 20:54, 2 April 2007 (UTC).
With the passage of all the conspiracy theories as in Farenheit 911 and In Plane Site one ought not preclude that the psychological warfare aspect of choosing "911" came from local U.S. conspirators, not from al-Queda, as such would serve their ends of reinforcing the "fear emergency and trembling" along with the thousands of repetitions of the towers tumbling shown throughout the years. talk) 12:12, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
This shouldn't be merged with the article emergency telephone number, because this article deals with the history etc. of 911, and has nothing to do with emergency telephone numbers in general. I have removed the merge template tag. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Heebiejeebieclub ( talk • contribs) 13:03, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
Things have improved some. I removed the remaining instances of "you" and made a few other corrections (notably, that they're federal laws, not Federal ones). It might be worth searching to see whether informal contractions like didn't still exist. This article is in an acceptable range for B class, but it will not reach GA without a thorough copyedit. WhatamIdoing ( talk) 05:05, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
This article does not meet the good article criteria and has too many issues, and has therefore failed its nomination. Issues include but are not limited to:
Once these issues have been resolved, please feel free to renominate it. Thanks! Gary King ( talk) 04:28, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
I propose to add a link to the "See also" section of this article that points to an article I've just created: Next Generation 9-1-1. I'll wait a couple of days before doing so - please comment. I'm still working on that article, and would appreciate comments and suggestions on the article itself. NextGen911 ( talk) 18:02, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
no thatz not true thats fake and dumb and stupid —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.189.83.218 ( talk) 19:43, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
Why has no phone an "eleven" key? -- 84.61.13.35 11:30, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
Good question! They ought to have it, like "00" key found in few calculators, but alas, then you shoud have a key for every "NN" combination from "00" to "99". By the way it doesn't take much effort to hit the "one" key twice.
Many do have twelve keys, with the additional "#" and "*" symbols. In international telecommunications standards, # is called "octothorpe". The dual-tone multifrequency encoding of the keypad allows for 16 codes. You will see these on US and NATO military codes, with teh extra four marked FO, F, I, and U for Flash Override, Flash, Immediate, and Urgent priority. Those priority levels are enabled on a line-by-line basis; Private Smith in the mess hall cannot do a Flash Override call. For that matter, there are higher priorities not on phones, one called CRITIC/ECP for critical intelligence or for nuclear combat orders, and two higher ones for internetwork and network control. The whole issue of precedence may well be worth its own entry if there isn't one; I must check (once I figure out how to create an article) Hcberkowitz 19:23, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
- The standard fourth column on Autovon phones had FO (Flash Override), F (Flash), I (Immediate) and P (Priority). In the very early days of automatic dialing (early part of the 20th century), there were actually some systems which had an eleventh position on the rotary dial and which was used for reaching an operator, before dialing zero became the standard. - PBC1966 ( talk) 12:27, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
This article seems a superflous split from 9-1-1. I propose it is merged in to this parent article. Fæ ( talk) 16:49, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
This will be a page specifically devoted to the 9-1-1 operation in Montgomery County, PA with statistics, demographics, and pictures. DPSWiki ( talk) 16:56, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
911 is only the emergency number in some countries. This page should remain independant in order to distinguish 911 from other emergancy numers from elsewhere, like 999 in the UK.
-DUDE! You spelled EMERGENCY wrong!- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.59.219.49 ( talk) 22:18, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
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In the body of the article, there is an image labelled "Typical Work Station". Admittedly, I've only worked for law enforcement agencies in California and Arizona, and I started in the late 1990s, but in every agency I've worked for, had friends at, or done sit-a-longs in, that image would represent a museum piece. It would be a "typical" work station from the 1980s, not a current one. Both when I was a calltaker and as a dispatcher our consoles are more streamlined (to my eyes, the radio in that image is huge and boxy, at least 5 times the size of what I'm used to). Since I have limited experience with Comm Centers in the Midwest or on the East Coast, I'm asking: is that "typical" elsewhere in the country, or should the image be labelled differently or even removed? Onesweettart ( talk) 21:43, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
If I'm in trouble I can dial 911 from any cell phone, even one without service, as long as the battery is charged? And help will come?
I heard a rumor that this was true, but I didn't know whether to believe it.
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Otterpops 15:24, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Triangulation can result in an area of 5 square miles to search in many parts of the United States. Many Phase 1 phones (those that don't give co-ordinates) are still in use here, Mason County, Washington, USA. It is a real problem in this county as we are large with few towers, making triangulation not feasible. Also, when a cell phone with Phase 2, one that has GPS co-ordinates transmitted, is no longer activated, while it can successfully dial 911, the co-ordinates usually do not come through. I am the IT staff for our center and we have received calls from inactive phase 2 phones, but have never received GPS co-ordinates from an inactive phone. Also, even on active phase 2 phones, we have to rely on the phone provider to transmit the data. Often the dispatchers have to manually re-query the telco several times before the data actually comes through. Which further delays help being routed. ddupont, 11:20 May 16, 2011 (GMT -8). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.235.103.193 ( talk) 18:22, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
in rural areas the # for 9-1-1 was once 2000
922 also works for 911. I dont know why but it does.
One point I think that needs to be addressed, and I would do it except for the fact that I just do not know, is when 9-1-1 became common. I'm fairly certain that Atlanta didn't get 911 until at least after 1980, Houston did not get 911 until the mid-80s and I know that parts of Oklahoma did not get 911 until the mid to late 80s. I think that a discussion about the spread of 911 is essential here. Are there any small towns that actually still lack 911? Just some thoughts I feel should be addressed for anyone knowledgeable in the subject. MagnoliaSouth ( talk) 03:53, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
From article:
The use of this number is reserved for true emergency circumstances only. Use of 9-1-1 under non-emergency circumstances may result in a criminal charge.
This is very much dependent upon your jurisdiction. Where I live, 911 is the preferred method to contact a dispatcher, emergency or otherwise. If nobody objects, I will change the article text accordingly to indicate that in SOME areas it may be a crime to use 911 service for non-emergency calls. BirdbrainedPhoenix 04:29, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
People dialing 9-1-1 by mistake is a major problem in and around Raleigh, North Carolina. I hope my addition is acceptable. There may be other types of misdialing that belong in the section.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 20:50, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
It was nowhere near complete, but I did a lot of work adding information on efforts to stop actual calls from being broadcast. The explanation in the edit summary was that the information is available elsewhere. Anyone thinking it can be conveniently found under laws of individual states is likely sadly mistaken.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 20:52, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
So much Canada. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.183.23.159 ( talk) 00:39, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
I just finished a 14-page term paper on the Enhanced 9-1-1 Systems for my Principles of Telephony class and wanted to share my sources. I did not want to take it upon myself and make changes without consulting others first. I am not familiar with the rules about how references are handled but I felt that they were were worth sharing. Some are from people who are active in 9-1-1 dispatch and others are very recent articles (found one on the same day it was published). All links were visited between 2013-07-15 to 2013-07-22.
Please let me know if any of these are helpful and if there is anything else I help out with Psychomaze ( talk) 18:13, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
Why has no phone an "00" key? -- 84.61.31.108 10:31, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
Several years ago I made an accidental 9-1-1 call. What happened is that the number I was calling began with a 9 (983 is an exchange prefix in southwest Michigan where I lived at the time). After dialing the 9, I stopped, trying to remember the rest of the number, and after a few seconds, I was automatically connected to 9-1-1. Needless to say I was surprised. It was a regular land line and I believe the provider at the time was Ameritech (this would have been around 1999 or 2000).
Does anybody have any information on this? Is a single 9 still automatically interpreted as a 9-1-1 call after a certain period of time with no further digits dialed? Is, or was it a nationwide policy, or maybe just a local quirk? I haven't been able to find any information on this, but if anybody can dig up a couple links, I'd be happy to add the information to the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.136.209.113 ( talk) 01:02, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
I've heard that this works in the UK and Ireland, due to the large number of kids who thought 911 was the emergancy number, not 999. Does anyone know this? I don't want to try it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.148.1.142 ( talk) 15:06, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
--No 911 will NOT work in the UK. 999 will work as will EuroZone emergency 112. — Preceding
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Yes, 911 does work in the UK. I just tried it, and got put through to the emergency services. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.128.95.94 ( talk) 17:40, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
--As a general rule, 911 does NOT work in the U.K. It is certainly not programmed into any BT switches, and in fact in at least a couple of places now there can be regular local numbers which start 911. It's possible that a PBX has been programmed to translate 911 into 999/112 on an outside line, and it's just possible that one or more of the cable carriers might translate as well. But overall, 911 will NOT work.
PBC1966 ( talk) 21:06, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
--Many worldwide systems are supporting 112, 911, 111, etc. and translating to the local emergency code, if the former numbers do not directly conflict with the numbering plan in use. Hcberkowitz 19:18, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Dialing 911 on GSM mobile phones in Australia also puts you through to emergency services. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zohmohgoh ( talk • contribs) 21:26, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
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Is all guy the verbiage describing the early 9/11 years of the phone people suck d***and borders mexican people how people made calls really gay necessary? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.139.9.38 ( talk) 19:34, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
I've removed the misleading claim that dial service was not widespread until the 1950's. Certainly many areas still had manual service at that time, but as that section read it was suggesting that dial service was not at all common either, which is simply not true. PBC1966 ( talk) 08:49, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
Reasons I learned that the digits "9-1-1" were chosen was not only because it was easy to remember and worked well with the system at the time, but for other reasons too. Indeed, "1-1-1" and "1-2-3" are also easy and would have worked well too with the telephone system, but these numbers would have caused many false alarms. So, the reasons might have had to do also with (1) time-to-dial and (2) avoiding accidental or inadvertent false-alarms. A793b4 ( talk) 06:05, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
With rotary dial phones, it took a short time to dial "1", but a long time to dial "9". Remember, we had to wait for the mechanism to return back to the resting position before we could get the next digit. The length of time-to-dial increased from "1" to "9", with "0" being the longest. [With digital phones, which became popular in the 1980s, it took the same about of time for any digit.] With rotary phones, for the emergency number, it may have been desired to have [some] short-time numbers so the mechanism would return more quickly and less time elapsed while dialling (remember, there is an emergency); and to have [at most] one long-time number (like "9") so that inadvertent or accidental dialling (by children, for example) would be more rare. A793b4 ( talk) 06:05, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
Again, "1-1-1" and "1-2-3" are both very easy to remember and have a relatively short-time to dial, but would have caused many false alarms. (How many of us as children dialled 1-2-3 while playing, for example.) A793b4 ( talk) 06:05, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
Zero (a long-time-digit) might not have been chosen as a digit, since it would have been confused with the normal operator, was associated with initiating long-distance-numbers, and it was at the end of the dial mechanism, so a child might pick that position for the next digit. [The reason you want some short time digits is to reduce the overall time to dial in an emergency. The reason for a long time digit is to avoid false-alarms.] A793b4 ( talk) 06:08, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
Perhaps these "reasons" were developed after "9-1-1" was chosen and established. I don't know and have no access to references. But it seems quite plausible that the technical people who chose the digits put more effort than was suggested by the article. A793b4 ( talk) 06:08, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
Is there a hyphen button on American telephones? Please explain the difference between 911 and 9-1-1. If there is no difference, let's keep it simple, use 911. Why are the hyphens there? In the UK the emergency number is given as 999 not 9-9-9. I think Wikipedia readers need an explanation here. P0mbal ( talk) 20:57, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
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9-1-1 is not a number. 911 is. Can someone please explain if the hyphens get dialled (and how), and if not why is the code 9-1-1 indicated rather than the number 911? Compare with Wikipedia on the 999 emergency number. P0mbal ( talk) 22:10, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
Not moved. Although consistency is an important goal, both titles here are permissible under out titling policies, and there is a clear absence of consensus for a change to the status quo. bd2412 T 03:43, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
9-1-1 → 911 (emergency telephone number) – per WP:CONSISTENCY with 108 (emergency telephone number), 112 (emergency telephone number), 119 (emergency telephone number), 999 (emergency telephone number) etc. Looking at Wikimedia commons [which by the way also uses the form '911 (emergency telephone number)' format] it is clear that usage on signage is mixed between the form 911 and 9-1-1 however if there is no clear WP:COMMONNAME then it seems more logical to be consistent across Wikipedia than have this one article as the exception. Furthermore, as has been noted many times on comments on this talk page, nobody types the hyphens in "9-1-1" on their phones when they make a call, they just type "911". Ebonelm ( talk) 00:19, 28 April 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. -- Dane talk 03:35, 5 May 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. TheSandDoctor ( talk) 15:13, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
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Can someone review the removals and add back content that is suitable for the article? 24.127.87.137 ( talk) 02:02, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
I removed a highly faulty map from the article—take a look at that map's image talk page and it's clear to see that whoever created it didn't do their homework; it's full of errors. The removal was reflexively reverted without a word of rationale (no edit summary), which is not OK. I have re-removed the faulty map. Let's look forward to Thewolfchild explaining why wrong information should remain in the article, and otherwise engaging in productive discussion here on the talk page about it. Pogorrhœa ( talk) 18:18, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
Wow... where to begin?
reverted without a word of rationale" was... disingenuous, to say the least. (And repeatedly referring to my revert as "
reflexive" is kinda' rude).
highly faulty" and "
full of errors" (without offering a shred of support), at the time of my revert, the only issues you mentioned were Argentina, which, like some of the other countries, is simply grayed out as incomplete, (this is actually quite common for maps on WP) and Canada, which you complained "
...is 911, not "911 and 112"", even though calls to 112 will get redirected to 911 in some parts of Canada. (see "homework": [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8])
real, actual, official" representative for any entity, it's an encyclopaedia, which presents verifiable information in a neutral manner. You yourself don't even dispute that 112 will connect to 911 in some parts of Canada, you just don't seem to like that that fact is included on that map. And as for Argentina, I have no idea why you're so bent that that particular country's status is not included. It's not wrong, it's just not included. But that is true with dozens of other countries as well. As I said, the map is incomplete. If you're unhappy about that, then make a better one! But otherwise you need to learn to deal with it because, as I also already said, WP is FULL of incomplete maps and other similar images. The whole project is a work in progress. Now, I'm not going to keep going round and round in a circular debate about this with you. If you have something new to offer then fine, but please don't keep pinging me just because you feel like arguing. (And EEng, excuse the typo above, I missed a word.) - wolf 03:30, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
@ Thewolfchild:Let's try and keep the conversation to the content, with a more cooperative, less combative tone and less griping about what you consider to be my faults and shortcomings, please and thank you. Insisting you're exclusively and entirely correct doesn't strike me as a good fit with the spirit of Wikipedia, and it also contradicts your earlier position—first you insisted we must discuss it, and now you're insisting the discussion's over. I am genuinely sorry you are irritated at having discussions with editors you consider inferior, but the purpose here is to hash out the disagreement until it's resolved one way or another. Declaring the conversation is over because you say it's over doesn't strike me as an appropriate or productive consensus-building tactic; consensus doesn't require unanimity, and by the same token consensus cannot be unilaterally declared by one editor.
Now, we agree the map is incomplete; there's no quarrel there, so we have some common ground here. Where we disagree is (still) on whether this map should or shouldn't be in the article, given the erroneous information it presents. If we can't come to consensus on that question, let's look at it maybe through a different lens, as another contributor tried to do by reframing the question in terms of whether the image (bad info or no bad info) really adds much to the article; they quickly left the conversation when you shouted them down, which is a pity. May we please try and move the conversation in a more productive, inclusive direction? Pogorrhœa ( talk) 03:07, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
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Good evening – I am Springnuts, a previously uninvolved editor. Thank you for requesting a 3O, and for refraining from edit warring whilst waiting: I commend all those involved.
1) I am astonished at the depth of discussion over this image. Perhaps I have missed some cultural battle, of which this is a symptom. I point no fingers, but urge all editors to follow the policies in WP:ETIQ and WP:CIVIL. 2) Is the map “full of errors”? Well, no. But, New Zealand and Indonesia are apparently (as of now) incorrect. So it does have errors, and over time may no doubt develop more. 3) How about Canada and other places where 911/112 actually just redirect into the national emergency number. That doesn’t bother me. The map only says that 911/112 are implemented; it does in fact refer to the possibility that this may involve a redirection. 4) Argentina. It’s in grey which says nothing, so if 911 is indeed implemented, then it would helpfully be coloured in accordingly (but I note that the talk page notes it is for police emergencies only). Suggestions 5) Use the caption to date the map and warn people that the information may be partial and/or out of date. It will also remove the felt obligation to ensure it is always 100% accurate and comprehensive. 6) Use the talk page to work through any tricky places where the answer to the question “Is 911/112 implemented?” is not obvious. 7) If the errors really annoy you, correct the map and upload and use the new version. And finally ... 8) This is just my opinion. If you don’t like it, then that’s fine – it is only my opinion :) Springnuts ( talk) 20:42, 1 December 2020 (UTC) Springnuts ( talk) 20:42, 1 December 2020 (UTC) |
@Thewolfchild the map is sorta incorrect. The emergency service number for the UK is 999. You can also use 112. So since Canada has both numbers that can be used so should the UK. Maybe you could use blue stripes with another color in the UK to show that one of the numbers is 112. Also instead of green you could use blue and yellow stripes to signify 112 and 911 respectively. WeaponizedRose ( talk) 16:11, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
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Better to have all the information about the same telephone number in one article. Aasim ( talk) 21:14, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Iraq is listed in the closing template as a 9-1-1 system implementer, but there's no discussion in the article. - knoodelhed ( talk) 16:34, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
Don't have a good source for this so I'm not adding it to the article, but it's worth discussing that step-by-step exchanges used special service codes of 11N, whereas crossbar exchanges (found mainly in large cities) used special service codes of N11. XB exchanges were designed to analyze three digits at a time and had their own debouncing circuit, so leading single pulses (1 digits) would get absorbed. The format for special service codes was chosen to avoid conflicts with exchanges (NNX) and area codes (N0X/N1X), which left N11 the only remaining option. RBOCs and independent local telephone companies used a variety of special-service codes, including 112/211 (for the long-distance operator, and later as an access prefix from SxS exchanges to a toll switch), 114/411 (for directory assistance) and 118/811 (for service) but these were not formally standardized. With the move to electronic switching, the old 11N format was retired; this was happening contemporaneously with the introduction of 911 as a national standard emergency number. 2001:470:1F06:CCB:0:0:0:2 ( talk) 03:19, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
This paragraph is inconsistent with the sources cited "In 1964, an attack on a woman in New York City, Kitty Genovese, helped to greatly increase the urgency of the effort to create a central emergency number. Genovese had called for help; but no one had called the police. Some experts theorized that one source of reluctance to call police was due to the complexity of doing so; any calls to the police would go to a local precinct, and any response might depend on which individual sergeant or other ranking personnel might handle the call.[12][13][14][15][16]" A brief reading of the sources indicates that the police were called and that none of them say anything about experts theorizing about the complexity of calling the police. They all confirm that the Kitty Genovese case was a impetus for the adoption of 911, however, so im going to change the text to reflect this. I cant get to it today, but this note should act as a reminder and a call for comments, if anyone is interested. Bonewah ( talk) 17:30, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
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Why are all these numbers hyphenated, in the article? Dysprosia 04:58, 24 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I understand that, due to the global nature of the Internet, it is difficult to establish the physical location of someone calling 9-1-1 with VoIP. However, many ads and websites know pretty exactly where I am, apparently from my IP address. Try yourself: Find your location according to your IP Wouldn't that be a (partial) solution to the problem?-- Soylentyellow 15:52, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
The article says that "sometimes calls to India will end up at the emergency dispatch office". I don't get it. Is there any real event that can be use to prove this?
Without outside line prefix: 011 + 91 + ...
With prefix "9": 9 + 011 + 91 + ...
In both cases, the dialing sequence includes "011" and the "011" has clearly indicates that the call is to India, not to emergency services.
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I added informationa about the FBI's phone directory. I work for my local 911 center. That's how we get phone numbers for other agencies quickly. I didn't include references. Don't know that there are any. I know it's there, though, cause I use it all the time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.113.19.8 ( talk) 03:22, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure how you get it. I work for an agency in Utah. In our BCI system, you type TQ or TQM in the transaction code box and it'll pull it up. You can find the agency's ORI and phone number through it. It's been very helpful for us. I would suggest contact your state's BCI service and ask them about it. Again, it's called the Orion file.
Good call. I was able to find a source for it. Thanks.
Needs references most of all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SGGH ( talk • contribs) 11:08, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
The Dialing patterns sections contains a number of unlikely situations.
So even dialing an international prefix like 0-1-1- would get you 9-0-1-1 but as soon as the hotel guest hits "0" it rings the front desk or PBX operator.
As soon as the hotel guest hits "9", he indicates that he wants to call an outside line, so there's no reason that it will ring the front desk or PBX operator.
Another possible problem is that the international phone code for India is "91", and sometimes calls meant for India end up at the local emergency dispatch office.
As I noted above, it is really not a problem if the "0-1-1" international dialing prefix is dialed. -- Joshua C hi e w 23:44, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
I work in a 911 center. We get several of those a day in our county. All of those situations are not only likely, but occur all the time. It doesn't make any sense to me, either. I'm not sure why or how people do it, but they do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.113.19.8 ( talk) 03:52, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
RDV 25-March-07 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.102.33.34 ( talk) 08:23, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Meaning no disrespect, but most of you are showing your (young) ages. ALL n11 codes were reserved for "special services" in the 1920's. In addition to 611, 411, and 211 which have already been mentioned, there was a variety of uses for some of the other codes. I know it's hard to believe, but there was once a time in history when you had to place all long distance calls through an operator, and you sometimes had to hang up and wait to be called back when the connection finally went through.
n11 service codes have NOT been chosen so that they don't conflict with area codes; in fact, the exact opposite is true. Area codes didn't even exist when n11 were designated for "special services," and area codes had to be designed so that they didn't conflict with the already-existing special service codes.
It also should be remembered that initially most dial telephone numbers consisted of an exchange name and four or five digits. You dialed the first two or three letters of the name, then the numbers. (PENnsylvania-3481 or PEnnsylvania6-3481). There are no letters assigned to the "1" hole on a telephone dial, so a n11 code could not be used as an exchange code or name.
RDV, 2March2007
See A History of Engineering and Science in the Bell System: The Early Years 1875 - 1925. M.D. Fagin, Editor. Bell Telephone Laboratories, 1975 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.27.190.53 ( talk) 00:53, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
I should mention that I also added a section to the main article describing how emergency calls were handled in the pre-dial telephone era, and how that changed when people got dial phones.
RDV, 20March2007 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 07:29, 20 March 2007 (UTC) ( talk)
One thing the article doesn't explain is if the 9-1-1 central only receives calls and send out an alarm - or they also commnicate with the dispatched units (fire, police, EMS) after an alarm have been sent out.
In Denmark the 1-1-2 central receives the emergency call and sends out an alarm to an operation control centre operated by the emergency service(s) needed. All communication afterwards is between the vehicles and their control centre. If any questions about the alarm the control centre may call up the 1-1-2 central which sent out the alarm.
But how does it work in the US ? -- |EPO| 13:27, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
There may be some dispute as when to call 911 or how to report a crime. There is a vote on my userpage debating the issue. -- Defender 911 23:08, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
I noticed a lot of users added a number of other emergency numbers in the section International emergency numbers and numbers in other countries. While I think that giving 9-9-9 and 1-1-2 as examples (the two most common ones) is OK, but the rest less common numbers should not be included. A link to Emergency telephone number is pretty enough. -- Joshua C hi e w 23:48, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm troubled by my opinion that something needs to be in this section, but I can't reference it per se: How does someone without access to the various law enforcement databases reach the PSAP in a distant area? This is something I have faced personally, but, as a communications engineer, I solved it from general experience. This experience is less what I'd call "original research", and more what patents call "obvious to one skilled in the art."
As one real-world example, I had a call from a friend, drifting in and out of unconsciousness, 3000 miles away in western Canada while I was in the eastern US. Luckily, I had multiple phone lines, and was able to call the municipal library to try to get a direct number into the PSAP. With this long-distance number, I three-way-conferenced my call, and stayed on the line until the paramedics picked up. The library isn't the only possible source, but I was able to find its number more easily than that of the town operator, and I thought a reference librarian might be more resourceful than a telephone operator.
I could, I suppose, publish this somewhere and reference it, but I feel it is useful information. Suggestions?
Hcberkowitz 20:39, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
See also: Talk:9-1-1 Emergency Telephone Number Day
When the 9-1-1 system was originally introduced, it was advertised as the "nine-eleven" service. This cause some problems when people looked for the "eleven" key on their telephones. Therefore all references to the telephone number 9-1-1' are now always made as nine-one-one, never as nine-eleven.
That sounds a bit implausable. Wouldn't this be an urbal legend? Zocky 10:48 Jan 24, 2003 (UTC)
I have worked for a 911 center for 9 years, and that is what we are always taught. It does have the air of urban legend, but some of the textbook materials does include that rationale.-- Nh911guy 12:56, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
When I was the Library of Congress representative to the Federal Telecommunications Standards Committee, 1976-1979, the "eleven" problem was mentioned by the Federal Communications Commission and National Communications System staff. Hcberkowitz 19:14, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
OH NO!, somebody added:
I have changed this to
For Other Countries Emergency telephone numbers see:
and put the following note at the top of the page to stop anyone else being too helpful and duplicating articles (AGAIN).
Important Note: This page deals only with Emergency telephone number 9-1-1, not other emergency telephone numbers.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hcberkowitz ( talk • contribs) 19:16, 20 March 2007 (UTC).
The above should be here, not on the article...
Is "universal emergency number" a mistake? This is only the number for north America. Isn't 112 the world wide number? CGS 14:15, 8 Sep 2003 (UTC).
Why is there nothing in this article about how some people abuse 9-1-1. 216.201.33.20 10:54, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
In the U.S., FCC rules require every telephone that can physically access the network to be able to dial 911, regardless of any reason that normal service may have been disconnected (including non-payment). On wired (land line) phones, this usually is accomplished by a "soft" dial tone, which sounds normal, but will only allow emergency calls. Often, an unused and unpublished phone number will be issued to the line so that it will work properly.
I've never heard of this. I'm in Illinois, and dead lines (at least cancelled ones) are really dead here-- no dial tone or power at all. I'm familiar with phones in both Ameritech/ SBC and GTE/ Verizon ILEC territories. Someone needs to check this paragraph; I suspect that, at best, it might be a law in a few states. Cell phones, on the other hand, always seem to work here, and are required to connect to 911 regardless of the subscription status of the phone. -- Closeapple 07:02, 2004 Dec 5 (UTC)
I stand corrected. I personally encountered a GTE/ Verizon line that was telling incoming callers that the number was disconnected, but had a dial tone and would respond to every non-emergency outgoing call with a recorded message to call a Verizon collections number. Strangely enough, it wouldn't allow that Verizon number to be dialed either. I didn't dare to call 911 to see if it would work, but I assume it would. I had no way of telling whether the number was changed or just artificially blocked with a permanent-disconnect message. -- Closeapple 17:51:37, 2005-08-29 (UTC)
Does anyone else think that it would be easier and better to say something like "Many television shows and movies have made fun of the number, often having a character ask for the number for 9-1-1, such as in the Simpsons, Home Improvement, [etc]." That just seems better than listing off many examples. -- MPD T / C 03:10, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
Here is the removed section in case anyone wants to add anything relevant into appropriate parts of the article:
9-1-1 in popular culture
* The number's close association with emergencies has led to 911 being used as shorthand for emergency in text messages sent to pagers and mobile phones—however, this is often used to tag situations which do not have the life-safety implications that an actual call to 911 implies. * The hip hop group Public Enemy released a song that was scathingly critical of the 9-1-1 service entitled “911 Is A Joke” on their 1990 album Fear of a Black Planet. The song highlighted the poor performance of the 9-1-1 service in predominantly black neighborhoods. * The Cyndi Lauper album True Colors contains a track entitled “911.” * In an episode of The Simpsons, Homer picks up the phone and says, "Operator, give me the number for 9-1-1!" (As one will see, this is not an isolated incident.) He also receives the "true" emergency phone number of 9-1-2 when he joins the Stonecutters. * In another episode of The Simpsons, police chief Clancy Wiggum apparently receives a 9-1-1 call at his home during the town lottery, to which he responds, "No, you got the wrong number. This is nine-one....two." * From 1989 to 1996 CBS aired Rescue 911, a television show which featured host William Shatner and dramatic recreations of actual emergencies and the corresponding response of 9-1-1. * In the “Crazy For You” episode of Home Improvement, Tim Allen's Tim Taylor calls the operator and says "Operator - what's the number for 911?" He then tells the operator to "slow down" as he writes it down. * In the movie The Santa Clause, also with Tim Allen; upon hearing the noise on his roof, Allen's Scott Calvin asks his son if he knows how to dial 9-1-1 to which the son replies, "yeah, 9-1-1." * On the 1992 "Earthquake!" episode of Saved By The Bell, a character is told to call 911. The character promptly asks, "What's the number?" A similar scene also occurred in Ed, Edd n Eddy. * In the 1994 film adaptation of Little Rascals, two kids in the gang consider calling the fire department to put out a fire, but decide otherwise when they realize neither of them knows the number for 911. In the scene, the fire department is actually across the street from the pay phone they were using. One of the kids asks someone "What is the number for 911?" * In the Disney animated movie Hercules, Hercules rescues two children from a cave-in in a gorge (which was actually a staged calamity to lure Hercules into danger), and one of the children can be heard saying; "Someone call IX I I", which are the Roman numerals for 9-1-1. * The American TV show Reno 9-1-1! Features Lt. Jim Dangle and the escapades of the Reno Sheriff's department on the Comedy Central Channel.
13.8.125.11 16:20, 2 November 2007 (UTC) Forgot to Log in Tony P 16:39, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
If no one uses the dashes, but they are needed in the article title, then they should appear in the article title but not in the body of the article. -- Evertype· ✆ 10:46, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
9=5678394+367346+676989845+iu57894 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.45.23.115 ( talk) 12:57, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
I've removed the following reasons to not call 911: flat tires, thefts that occurred in the past, noise complaints, suspicious people, etc. [1]. First, the source given doesn't support any of these assertions. Second, in some jurisdictions noise complaints and thefts are supposed to be reported to 911. Third, "suspicious people" is sometimes a good reason to call 911. The source promotes a "better safe than sorry" philosophy particularly as a message for children. Clayoquot ( talk | contribs) 07:57, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
According to the Winnipeg Police History [1] the emergency number originally instituted in 1959 was actually 999. Should the article be edited to include this, or would it make more sense to remove this reference altogether, since it makes more sense on the emergency number page than the 911 page. Joe Canadian86 ( talk) 18:53, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
A few small issues:
"As a result, while widely announced as a national emergency telephone number, by 2008, coverage of the service was still not complete, and about 4 percent of the United States did not have 9-1-1 service.[11]" but the very next sentence says, "In over 98% of locations in the United States and Canada, dialing "911" from any telephone will link the caller to an emergency dispatch center." Since the U.S. is so much larger than Canada, it seems unlikely that even 100% coverage in Canada would make up for the 4% missing in the U.S. Also, that paragraph goes on to say that 96% of the U.S. has E911 coverage, which could only be true (compared to the first sentence) if basically no one in the U.S. has plain 911 coverage.
Hope this helps, WhatamIdoing ( talk) 21:18, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
Was the terrorist plan to sabotage the WTC inspired by the 911 emergency code? or coincidence? -- SuperDude 23:31, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
Everything that I have heard is that it was simply a coincidence. But I don't think anyone (outside al-Qaeda anyway) knows for sure. Rt66lt 03:14, September 8, 2005 (UTC)
-G —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 134.117.157.7 ( talk) 20:54, 2 April 2007 (UTC).
With the passage of all the conspiracy theories as in Farenheit 911 and In Plane Site one ought not preclude that the psychological warfare aspect of choosing "911" came from local U.S. conspirators, not from al-Queda, as such would serve their ends of reinforcing the "fear emergency and trembling" along with the thousands of repetitions of the towers tumbling shown throughout the years. talk) 12:12, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
This shouldn't be merged with the article emergency telephone number, because this article deals with the history etc. of 911, and has nothing to do with emergency telephone numbers in general. I have removed the merge template tag. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Heebiejeebieclub ( talk • contribs) 13:03, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
Things have improved some. I removed the remaining instances of "you" and made a few other corrections (notably, that they're federal laws, not Federal ones). It might be worth searching to see whether informal contractions like didn't still exist. This article is in an acceptable range for B class, but it will not reach GA without a thorough copyedit. WhatamIdoing ( talk) 05:05, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
This article does not meet the good article criteria and has too many issues, and has therefore failed its nomination. Issues include but are not limited to:
Once these issues have been resolved, please feel free to renominate it. Thanks! Gary King ( talk) 04:28, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
I propose to add a link to the "See also" section of this article that points to an article I've just created: Next Generation 9-1-1. I'll wait a couple of days before doing so - please comment. I'm still working on that article, and would appreciate comments and suggestions on the article itself. NextGen911 ( talk) 18:02, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
no thatz not true thats fake and dumb and stupid —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.189.83.218 ( talk) 19:43, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
Why has no phone an "eleven" key? -- 84.61.13.35 11:30, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
Good question! They ought to have it, like "00" key found in few calculators, but alas, then you shoud have a key for every "NN" combination from "00" to "99". By the way it doesn't take much effort to hit the "one" key twice.
Many do have twelve keys, with the additional "#" and "*" symbols. In international telecommunications standards, # is called "octothorpe". The dual-tone multifrequency encoding of the keypad allows for 16 codes. You will see these on US and NATO military codes, with teh extra four marked FO, F, I, and U for Flash Override, Flash, Immediate, and Urgent priority. Those priority levels are enabled on a line-by-line basis; Private Smith in the mess hall cannot do a Flash Override call. For that matter, there are higher priorities not on phones, one called CRITIC/ECP for critical intelligence or for nuclear combat orders, and two higher ones for internetwork and network control. The whole issue of precedence may well be worth its own entry if there isn't one; I must check (once I figure out how to create an article) Hcberkowitz 19:23, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
- The standard fourth column on Autovon phones had FO (Flash Override), F (Flash), I (Immediate) and P (Priority). In the very early days of automatic dialing (early part of the 20th century), there were actually some systems which had an eleventh position on the rotary dial and which was used for reaching an operator, before dialing zero became the standard. - PBC1966 ( talk) 12:27, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
This article seems a superflous split from 9-1-1. I propose it is merged in to this parent article. Fæ ( talk) 16:49, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
This will be a page specifically devoted to the 9-1-1 operation in Montgomery County, PA with statistics, demographics, and pictures. DPSWiki ( talk) 16:56, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
911 is only the emergency number in some countries. This page should remain independant in order to distinguish 911 from other emergancy numers from elsewhere, like 999 in the UK.
-DUDE! You spelled EMERGENCY wrong!- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.59.219.49 ( talk) 22:18, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
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In the body of the article, there is an image labelled "Typical Work Station". Admittedly, I've only worked for law enforcement agencies in California and Arizona, and I started in the late 1990s, but in every agency I've worked for, had friends at, or done sit-a-longs in, that image would represent a museum piece. It would be a "typical" work station from the 1980s, not a current one. Both when I was a calltaker and as a dispatcher our consoles are more streamlined (to my eyes, the radio in that image is huge and boxy, at least 5 times the size of what I'm used to). Since I have limited experience with Comm Centers in the Midwest or on the East Coast, I'm asking: is that "typical" elsewhere in the country, or should the image be labelled differently or even removed? Onesweettart ( talk) 21:43, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
If I'm in trouble I can dial 911 from any cell phone, even one without service, as long as the battery is charged? And help will come?
I heard a rumor that this was true, but I didn't know whether to believe it.
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Triangulation can result in an area of 5 square miles to search in many parts of the United States. Many Phase 1 phones (those that don't give co-ordinates) are still in use here, Mason County, Washington, USA. It is a real problem in this county as we are large with few towers, making triangulation not feasible. Also, when a cell phone with Phase 2, one that has GPS co-ordinates transmitted, is no longer activated, while it can successfully dial 911, the co-ordinates usually do not come through. I am the IT staff for our center and we have received calls from inactive phase 2 phones, but have never received GPS co-ordinates from an inactive phone. Also, even on active phase 2 phones, we have to rely on the phone provider to transmit the data. Often the dispatchers have to manually re-query the telco several times before the data actually comes through. Which further delays help being routed. ddupont, 11:20 May 16, 2011 (GMT -8). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.235.103.193 ( talk) 18:22, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
in rural areas the # for 9-1-1 was once 2000
922 also works for 911. I dont know why but it does.
One point I think that needs to be addressed, and I would do it except for the fact that I just do not know, is when 9-1-1 became common. I'm fairly certain that Atlanta didn't get 911 until at least after 1980, Houston did not get 911 until the mid-80s and I know that parts of Oklahoma did not get 911 until the mid to late 80s. I think that a discussion about the spread of 911 is essential here. Are there any small towns that actually still lack 911? Just some thoughts I feel should be addressed for anyone knowledgeable in the subject. MagnoliaSouth ( talk) 03:53, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
From article:
The use of this number is reserved for true emergency circumstances only. Use of 9-1-1 under non-emergency circumstances may result in a criminal charge.
This is very much dependent upon your jurisdiction. Where I live, 911 is the preferred method to contact a dispatcher, emergency or otherwise. If nobody objects, I will change the article text accordingly to indicate that in SOME areas it may be a crime to use 911 service for non-emergency calls. BirdbrainedPhoenix 04:29, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
People dialing 9-1-1 by mistake is a major problem in and around Raleigh, North Carolina. I hope my addition is acceptable. There may be other types of misdialing that belong in the section.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 20:50, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
It was nowhere near complete, but I did a lot of work adding information on efforts to stop actual calls from being broadcast. The explanation in the edit summary was that the information is available elsewhere. Anyone thinking it can be conveniently found under laws of individual states is likely sadly mistaken.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 20:52, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
So much Canada. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.183.23.159 ( talk) 00:39, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
I just finished a 14-page term paper on the Enhanced 9-1-1 Systems for my Principles of Telephony class and wanted to share my sources. I did not want to take it upon myself and make changes without consulting others first. I am not familiar with the rules about how references are handled but I felt that they were were worth sharing. Some are from people who are active in 9-1-1 dispatch and others are very recent articles (found one on the same day it was published). All links were visited between 2013-07-15 to 2013-07-22.
Please let me know if any of these are helpful and if there is anything else I help out with Psychomaze ( talk) 18:13, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
Why has no phone an "00" key? -- 84.61.31.108 10:31, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
Several years ago I made an accidental 9-1-1 call. What happened is that the number I was calling began with a 9 (983 is an exchange prefix in southwest Michigan where I lived at the time). After dialing the 9, I stopped, trying to remember the rest of the number, and after a few seconds, I was automatically connected to 9-1-1. Needless to say I was surprised. It was a regular land line and I believe the provider at the time was Ameritech (this would have been around 1999 or 2000).
Does anybody have any information on this? Is a single 9 still automatically interpreted as a 9-1-1 call after a certain period of time with no further digits dialed? Is, or was it a nationwide policy, or maybe just a local quirk? I haven't been able to find any information on this, but if anybody can dig up a couple links, I'd be happy to add the information to the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.136.209.113 ( talk) 01:02, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
I've heard that this works in the UK and Ireland, due to the large number of kids who thought 911 was the emergancy number, not 999. Does anyone know this? I don't want to try it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.148.1.142 ( talk) 15:06, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
--No 911 will NOT work in the UK. 999 will work as will EuroZone emergency 112. — Preceding
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Yes, 911 does work in the UK. I just tried it, and got put through to the emergency services. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.128.95.94 ( talk) 17:40, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
--As a general rule, 911 does NOT work in the U.K. It is certainly not programmed into any BT switches, and in fact in at least a couple of places now there can be regular local numbers which start 911. It's possible that a PBX has been programmed to translate 911 into 999/112 on an outside line, and it's just possible that one or more of the cable carriers might translate as well. But overall, 911 will NOT work.
PBC1966 ( talk) 21:06, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
--Many worldwide systems are supporting 112, 911, 111, etc. and translating to the local emergency code, if the former numbers do not directly conflict with the numbering plan in use. Hcberkowitz 19:18, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Dialing 911 on GSM mobile phones in Australia also puts you through to emergency services. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zohmohgoh ( talk • contribs) 21:26, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
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Is all guy the verbiage describing the early 9/11 years of the phone people suck d***and borders mexican people how people made calls really gay necessary? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.139.9.38 ( talk) 19:34, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
I've removed the misleading claim that dial service was not widespread until the 1950's. Certainly many areas still had manual service at that time, but as that section read it was suggesting that dial service was not at all common either, which is simply not true. PBC1966 ( talk) 08:49, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
Reasons I learned that the digits "9-1-1" were chosen was not only because it was easy to remember and worked well with the system at the time, but for other reasons too. Indeed, "1-1-1" and "1-2-3" are also easy and would have worked well too with the telephone system, but these numbers would have caused many false alarms. So, the reasons might have had to do also with (1) time-to-dial and (2) avoiding accidental or inadvertent false-alarms. A793b4 ( talk) 06:05, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
With rotary dial phones, it took a short time to dial "1", but a long time to dial "9". Remember, we had to wait for the mechanism to return back to the resting position before we could get the next digit. The length of time-to-dial increased from "1" to "9", with "0" being the longest. [With digital phones, which became popular in the 1980s, it took the same about of time for any digit.] With rotary phones, for the emergency number, it may have been desired to have [some] short-time numbers so the mechanism would return more quickly and less time elapsed while dialling (remember, there is an emergency); and to have [at most] one long-time number (like "9") so that inadvertent or accidental dialling (by children, for example) would be more rare. A793b4 ( talk) 06:05, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
Again, "1-1-1" and "1-2-3" are both very easy to remember and have a relatively short-time to dial, but would have caused many false alarms. (How many of us as children dialled 1-2-3 while playing, for example.) A793b4 ( talk) 06:05, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
Zero (a long-time-digit) might not have been chosen as a digit, since it would have been confused with the normal operator, was associated with initiating long-distance-numbers, and it was at the end of the dial mechanism, so a child might pick that position for the next digit. [The reason you want some short time digits is to reduce the overall time to dial in an emergency. The reason for a long time digit is to avoid false-alarms.] A793b4 ( talk) 06:08, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
Perhaps these "reasons" were developed after "9-1-1" was chosen and established. I don't know and have no access to references. But it seems quite plausible that the technical people who chose the digits put more effort than was suggested by the article. A793b4 ( talk) 06:08, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
Is there a hyphen button on American telephones? Please explain the difference between 911 and 9-1-1. If there is no difference, let's keep it simple, use 911. Why are the hyphens there? In the UK the emergency number is given as 999 not 9-9-9. I think Wikipedia readers need an explanation here. P0mbal ( talk) 20:57, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
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9-1-1 is not a number. 911 is. Can someone please explain if the hyphens get dialled (and how), and if not why is the code 9-1-1 indicated rather than the number 911? Compare with Wikipedia on the 999 emergency number. P0mbal ( talk) 22:10, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
Not moved. Although consistency is an important goal, both titles here are permissible under out titling policies, and there is a clear absence of consensus for a change to the status quo. bd2412 T 03:43, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
9-1-1 → 911 (emergency telephone number) – per WP:CONSISTENCY with 108 (emergency telephone number), 112 (emergency telephone number), 119 (emergency telephone number), 999 (emergency telephone number) etc. Looking at Wikimedia commons [which by the way also uses the form '911 (emergency telephone number)' format] it is clear that usage on signage is mixed between the form 911 and 9-1-1 however if there is no clear WP:COMMONNAME then it seems more logical to be consistent across Wikipedia than have this one article as the exception. Furthermore, as has been noted many times on comments on this talk page, nobody types the hyphens in "9-1-1" on their phones when they make a call, they just type "911". Ebonelm ( talk) 00:19, 28 April 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. -- Dane talk 03:35, 5 May 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. TheSandDoctor ( talk) 15:13, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
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As can be seen in the revision history, User:EEng deleted significant amounts of content from the article over a period of approximately 2 months, without consulting the community in any way, reducing the article size from 42,160 bytes to 29,571 bytes. While some of the removals might be justified, many removals were justified poorly or not at all: for example, in [2], the removed content was considered "unsourced overdetail" when a citation was present and there is clearly relevant content that (in my opinion) warrants inclusion.
Can someone review the removals and add back content that is suitable for the article? 24.127.87.137 ( talk) 02:02, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
I removed a highly faulty map from the article—take a look at that map's image talk page and it's clear to see that whoever created it didn't do their homework; it's full of errors. The removal was reflexively reverted without a word of rationale (no edit summary), which is not OK. I have re-removed the faulty map. Let's look forward to Thewolfchild explaining why wrong information should remain in the article, and otherwise engaging in productive discussion here on the talk page about it. Pogorrhœa ( talk) 18:18, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
Wow... where to begin?
reverted without a word of rationale" was... disingenuous, to say the least. (And repeatedly referring to my revert as "
reflexive" is kinda' rude).
highly faulty" and "
full of errors" (without offering a shred of support), at the time of my revert, the only issues you mentioned were Argentina, which, like some of the other countries, is simply grayed out as incomplete, (this is actually quite common for maps on WP) and Canada, which you complained "
...is 911, not "911 and 112"", even though calls to 112 will get redirected to 911 in some parts of Canada. (see "homework": [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8])
real, actual, official" representative for any entity, it's an encyclopaedia, which presents verifiable information in a neutral manner. You yourself don't even dispute that 112 will connect to 911 in some parts of Canada, you just don't seem to like that that fact is included on that map. And as for Argentina, I have no idea why you're so bent that that particular country's status is not included. It's not wrong, it's just not included. But that is true with dozens of other countries as well. As I said, the map is incomplete. If you're unhappy about that, then make a better one! But otherwise you need to learn to deal with it because, as I also already said, WP is FULL of incomplete maps and other similar images. The whole project is a work in progress. Now, I'm not going to keep going round and round in a circular debate about this with you. If you have something new to offer then fine, but please don't keep pinging me just because you feel like arguing. (And EEng, excuse the typo above, I missed a word.) - wolf 03:30, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
@ Thewolfchild:Let's try and keep the conversation to the content, with a more cooperative, less combative tone and less griping about what you consider to be my faults and shortcomings, please and thank you. Insisting you're exclusively and entirely correct doesn't strike me as a good fit with the spirit of Wikipedia, and it also contradicts your earlier position—first you insisted we must discuss it, and now you're insisting the discussion's over. I am genuinely sorry you are irritated at having discussions with editors you consider inferior, but the purpose here is to hash out the disagreement until it's resolved one way or another. Declaring the conversation is over because you say it's over doesn't strike me as an appropriate or productive consensus-building tactic; consensus doesn't require unanimity, and by the same token consensus cannot be unilaterally declared by one editor.
Now, we agree the map is incomplete; there's no quarrel there, so we have some common ground here. Where we disagree is (still) on whether this map should or shouldn't be in the article, given the erroneous information it presents. If we can't come to consensus on that question, let's look at it maybe through a different lens, as another contributor tried to do by reframing the question in terms of whether the image (bad info or no bad info) really adds much to the article; they quickly left the conversation when you shouted them down, which is a pity. May we please try and move the conversation in a more productive, inclusive direction? Pogorrhœa ( talk) 03:07, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
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Good evening – I am Springnuts, a previously uninvolved editor. Thank you for requesting a 3O, and for refraining from edit warring whilst waiting: I commend all those involved.
1) I am astonished at the depth of discussion over this image. Perhaps I have missed some cultural battle, of which this is a symptom. I point no fingers, but urge all editors to follow the policies in WP:ETIQ and WP:CIVIL. 2) Is the map “full of errors”? Well, no. But, New Zealand and Indonesia are apparently (as of now) incorrect. So it does have errors, and over time may no doubt develop more. 3) How about Canada and other places where 911/112 actually just redirect into the national emergency number. That doesn’t bother me. The map only says that 911/112 are implemented; it does in fact refer to the possibility that this may involve a redirection. 4) Argentina. It’s in grey which says nothing, so if 911 is indeed implemented, then it would helpfully be coloured in accordingly (but I note that the talk page notes it is for police emergencies only). Suggestions 5) Use the caption to date the map and warn people that the information may be partial and/or out of date. It will also remove the felt obligation to ensure it is always 100% accurate and comprehensive. 6) Use the talk page to work through any tricky places where the answer to the question “Is 911/112 implemented?” is not obvious. 7) If the errors really annoy you, correct the map and upload and use the new version. And finally ... 8) This is just my opinion. If you don’t like it, then that’s fine – it is only my opinion :) Springnuts ( talk) 20:42, 1 December 2020 (UTC) Springnuts ( talk) 20:42, 1 December 2020 (UTC) |
@Thewolfchild the map is sorta incorrect. The emergency service number for the UK is 999. You can also use 112. So since Canada has both numbers that can be used so should the UK. Maybe you could use blue stripes with another color in the UK to show that one of the numbers is 112. Also instead of green you could use blue and yellow stripes to signify 112 and 911 respectively. WeaponizedRose ( talk) 16:11, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
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Better to have all the information about the same telephone number in one article. Aasim ( talk) 21:14, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Iraq is listed in the closing template as a 9-1-1 system implementer, but there's no discussion in the article. - knoodelhed ( talk) 16:34, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
Don't have a good source for this so I'm not adding it to the article, but it's worth discussing that step-by-step exchanges used special service codes of 11N, whereas crossbar exchanges (found mainly in large cities) used special service codes of N11. XB exchanges were designed to analyze three digits at a time and had their own debouncing circuit, so leading single pulses (1 digits) would get absorbed. The format for special service codes was chosen to avoid conflicts with exchanges (NNX) and area codes (N0X/N1X), which left N11 the only remaining option. RBOCs and independent local telephone companies used a variety of special-service codes, including 112/211 (for the long-distance operator, and later as an access prefix from SxS exchanges to a toll switch), 114/411 (for directory assistance) and 118/811 (for service) but these were not formally standardized. With the move to electronic switching, the old 11N format was retired; this was happening contemporaneously with the introduction of 911 as a national standard emergency number. 2001:470:1F06:CCB:0:0:0:2 ( talk) 03:19, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
This paragraph is inconsistent with the sources cited "In 1964, an attack on a woman in New York City, Kitty Genovese, helped to greatly increase the urgency of the effort to create a central emergency number. Genovese had called for help; but no one had called the police. Some experts theorized that one source of reluctance to call police was due to the complexity of doing so; any calls to the police would go to a local precinct, and any response might depend on which individual sergeant or other ranking personnel might handle the call.[12][13][14][15][16]" A brief reading of the sources indicates that the police were called and that none of them say anything about experts theorizing about the complexity of calling the police. They all confirm that the Kitty Genovese case was a impetus for the adoption of 911, however, so im going to change the text to reflect this. I cant get to it today, but this note should act as a reminder and a call for comments, if anyone is interested. Bonewah ( talk) 17:30, 21 September 2021 (UTC)