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Quality and links with 2019 Maltese protests article
The article seems to copy verbatim sentences from the 2019 Maltese protests article. Also, in places there are some factual mistakes, un-sourced viewpoints and spelling/structure issues. Zugraga talk 09:52, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
Agreed - any scope to merge the two pages? The 2019 Maltese protests article could do with truncating and moving to the Protests subsection here. Kilbosh ( talk) 09:12, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
- I'm not sure. I mean the political crisis article is just a series of (badly written) arguments - verging on soapboxing (illegal sale of EU citizenship), in places without citations. I admit the protest article is long, but at least (and I'm biased), it's written properly. I do no think that truncating the protest article and putting it as a subsection here makes much sense. Zugraga talk 09:45, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
The 2019 Maltese protests articel main issue are the protests of civil society. This articel should more reflect the political backgrounds of the persons involved sand their connections. Of course, maybe better sourced. Best -- Outdoor-Bro ( talk) 09:46, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks - I take your point - then maybe this article should be moved to a background section on the
2019 Malta Protests2019 Maltese protests page - it's just I'm not sure the topic requires two pages with significant overlap. Kilbosh ( talk) 15:12, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
- This article presently looks a bit unusual, but I don't quite see what could be improved in the overall structure right now. Listing "the protagonists" is not a traditional structure of these sorts of Wikipedia articles, but is there really a problem with it? Knowing who is involved helps to understand the crisis, though the content must respect WP:BLP. The assassination of one particular person and the accusations against several other particular individuals are key aspects of this crisis - it's person-focussed as much as system-focussed. In principle a qualitative structure for the following part might be better than the timeline, but since the crisis is still ongoing, judging what the key aspects of the crisis are risks being WP:SYNTH/ WP:OR. So a timeline (as there is right now) seems to be a reasonable way of respecting the factual type claims of the sources. Boud ( talk) 21:27, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
I left the following feedback for the creator/future reviewers while reviewing this article: Thanks for creating this article..
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I find it strange that the page has been named 2019 Malta political crisis. I think it should be renamed as soon as possible to Malta Political Crisis 2019 Alan347 ( talk) 18:59, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
- Can you cite other examples that would conform to that format? Influence for this page stems heavily from
2019 Hong Kong Protests I think.
Kilbosh (
talk) 13:10, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
- The present name seems OK to me. E.g. 2015 Polish Constitutional Court crisis - although the PL case is really a judiciary crisis that is still ongoing as of December 2019, with judges being arbitrarily un-delegated or disciplined by the political branch - see https://ruleoflaw.pl for English-language sources. Boud ( talk) 21:15, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
- Agreed with above to keep as is. Kilbosh talk 14:28, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
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Quality and links with 2019 Maltese protests article
The article seems to copy verbatim sentences from the 2019 Maltese protests article. Also, in places there are some factual mistakes, un-sourced viewpoints and spelling/structure issues. Zugraga talk 09:52, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
Agreed - any scope to merge the two pages? The 2019 Maltese protests article could do with truncating and moving to the Protests subsection here. Kilbosh ( talk) 09:12, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
- I'm not sure. I mean the political crisis article is just a series of (badly written) arguments - verging on soapboxing (illegal sale of EU citizenship), in places without citations. I admit the protest article is long, but at least (and I'm biased), it's written properly. I do no think that truncating the protest article and putting it as a subsection here makes much sense. Zugraga talk 09:45, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
The 2019 Maltese protests articel main issue are the protests of civil society. This articel should more reflect the political backgrounds of the persons involved sand their connections. Of course, maybe better sourced. Best -- Outdoor-Bro ( talk) 09:46, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks - I take your point - then maybe this article should be moved to a background section on the
2019 Malta Protests2019 Maltese protests page - it's just I'm not sure the topic requires two pages with significant overlap. Kilbosh ( talk) 15:12, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
- This article presently looks a bit unusual, but I don't quite see what could be improved in the overall structure right now. Listing "the protagonists" is not a traditional structure of these sorts of Wikipedia articles, but is there really a problem with it? Knowing who is involved helps to understand the crisis, though the content must respect WP:BLP. The assassination of one particular person and the accusations against several other particular individuals are key aspects of this crisis - it's person-focussed as much as system-focussed. In principle a qualitative structure for the following part might be better than the timeline, but since the crisis is still ongoing, judging what the key aspects of the crisis are risks being WP:SYNTH/ WP:OR. So a timeline (as there is right now) seems to be a reasonable way of respecting the factual type claims of the sources. Boud ( talk) 21:27, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
I left the following feedback for the creator/future reviewers while reviewing this article: Thanks for creating this article..
Abishe ( talk) 10:55, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons files used on this page have been nominated for speedy deletion:
- C83b31914ffb469a4b4c6809250d6d2a6488c6cc-1575045079-5de147d7-960x640.jpg
- Keith schembri copy.png.jpg
You can see the reasons for deletion at the file description pages linked above. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 05:21, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
I find it strange that the page has been named 2019 Malta political crisis. I think it should be renamed as soon as possible to Malta Political Crisis 2019 Alan347 ( talk) 18:59, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
- Can you cite other examples that would conform to that format? Influence for this page stems heavily from
2019 Hong Kong Protests I think.
Kilbosh (
talk) 13:10, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
- The present name seems OK to me. E.g. 2015 Polish Constitutional Court crisis - although the PL case is really a judiciary crisis that is still ongoing as of December 2019, with judges being arbitrarily un-delegated or disciplined by the political branch - see https://ruleoflaw.pl for English-language sources. Boud ( talk) 21:15, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
- Agreed with above to keep as is. Kilbosh talk 14:28, 16 December 2019 (UTC)