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Just wanted to start this so we can discuss recent edits without further conflict. I agree with removing the puppet ruler designation. However, multiple sources describe Correa's policies as "populist" and that he had overspent in an effort to maintain popular support. Also, the summaries by The Economist and the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace assist with explaining the situation Moreno faced. These are both reliable, independent sources and not arguments used by either protesters or the Moreno administration directly. Thank you all in advance!---- ZiaLater ( talk) 21:44, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
As you can see in my recent edit, this is not just "Western analysts and think tanks" stating that Correa's economic policies were unsustainable and populist. The sources include analysts, scholars, media organizations and socialist organizations. So this is not a left vs. right or Western vs. Eastern thing, this is all from solid sources. It does not get more obvious than this and misrepresenting what happened is blatantly deceitful.---- ZiaLater ( talk) 23:08, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
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The background section should not be a political essay on the pro's and con's of Correa's presidency. Its also heavily biased in favour of a certain viewpoint and reads like somebody has an axe to grind. 103.127.65.128 ( talk) 18:14, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
User:Jamez42 and User:ZiaLater I am not suggesting entirely cut out the parts about Correa's presidency, just the parts that are not of direct relevance to the present situation. Such as the fact that Correa reduced poverty and increased censorship. I'm not sure what those two things have to do with the present situation. 103.127.65.104 ( talk) 11:58, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
@ Goodposts, ZiaLater, and Jamez42: I can give it a copyedit to include what I see as relevant, since I don't know a lot about this dispute over Correa and as such will have no knowledge beyond the current crisis to see as significant. Kingsif ( talk) 00:03, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
The following paragraph could use some clarifification:
By 12 October, CONAIE had announced that they would participate in dialogue with the Ecuadorian government. [1] However, violent protests intensified in Quito, with the national auditor office–which contained evidence surrounding corruptions cases–being set ablaze and two media facilities being attacked by demonstrators; the offices of Teleamazonas and El Comercio. [1] While masked protesters broke into the facilities, press workers were left trapped. [1] By 3:00pm, Moreno had decreed a national curfew and deployed the Ecuadorian army, stating "We are going to restore order in all of Ecuador" and explaining that the violent protesters were not related to organized indigenous groups, such as CONAIE, instead blaming drug traffickers, organised crime and Correa supporters. [1] In the few streets of Quito that weren't blocked, taxi cabs formed a caravan that rolled trough the city, honking and displaying anti-Moreno signs. [2]
The Contraloría attack happened around 11:00am, the curfew was announced around 14:30 and took effect at 15:00, and the attacks to Teleamazonas and El Comercio happened after the curfew started ( [1]). Current wording could be misleading, since Teleamazonas attack happened after the curfew already started, but the reader might think that the this was a factor leading to the curfew. -- MarioGom ( talk) 16:14, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
Done Thanks!---- ZiaLater ( talk) 08:46, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
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Given the nature of the developing events, some news sources about the outcomes of the dialogue process are inaccurate. Note that this sometimes happens even with reliable sources in the context of breaking news. Reversal of the whole austerity package was not an outcome of the dialogue, despite what some media outlets are rushing to report.
Pasadas las 21:45, Arnauld Peral, coordinador representante de la Organización de las Naciones Unidas (ONU) para Ecuador, leyó el acuerdo: "Como resultado del diálogo se establece un nuevo decreto que deja sin efecto el Decreto 883. Para lo cual se instalará una comisión que elaborará el nuevo decreto, integrada por las organizaciones movimiento indígena, participantes en este diálogo y el Gobierno nacional, con la mediación de las Naciones Unidas y la Conferencia Episcopal Ecuatoriana y con la veeduría de las otras funciones del Estado. Con este acuerdo se terminan las movilizaciones y medidas de hecho en todo en Ecuador. Y nos comprometemos de manera conjunta a restablecer la paz en el país".
— El Comercio [1]
There was no discussion about all economic measures, the negotiation was centered around Decree No. 883 (removal of fuel subsidies). The resolution was the creation of a committee to gain consensus for a new decree that would substitute Decree No. 883. The terms are still unknown. It is still unknown ( WP:TOOSOON) whether the Government will reverse Decree No. 883 first and then negotiate the new decree, or if Decree No. 883 will stay in effect until the new decree is approved. -- MarioGom ( talk) 09:32, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
-- MarioGom ( talk) 07:36, 18 October 2019 (UTC)El ministro de Finanzas, Richard Martínez, anunció la tarde de este jueves 17 de octubre del 2019 que el paquete de reformas económicas que se enviará a la Asamblea se dividirá en dos partes: el viernes 18 de octubre del 2019 se enviará el proyecto de reforma tributaria, mientras que se iniciará un proceso de diálogo para ajustes en la reforma laboral.
— El Comercio [3]
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I think the current infobox collage is good, but what about this one?
It's used on the Spanish article. 78.108.56.35 ( talk) 17:08, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
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Just wanted to start this so we can discuss recent edits without further conflict. I agree with removing the puppet ruler designation. However, multiple sources describe Correa's policies as "populist" and that he had overspent in an effort to maintain popular support. Also, the summaries by The Economist and the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace assist with explaining the situation Moreno faced. These are both reliable, independent sources and not arguments used by either protesters or the Moreno administration directly. Thank you all in advance!---- ZiaLater ( talk) 21:44, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
As you can see in my recent edit, this is not just "Western analysts and think tanks" stating that Correa's economic policies were unsustainable and populist. The sources include analysts, scholars, media organizations and socialist organizations. So this is not a left vs. right or Western vs. Eastern thing, this is all from solid sources. It does not get more obvious than this and misrepresenting what happened is blatantly deceitful.---- ZiaLater ( talk) 23:08, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
References
The background section should not be a political essay on the pro's and con's of Correa's presidency. Its also heavily biased in favour of a certain viewpoint and reads like somebody has an axe to grind. 103.127.65.128 ( talk) 18:14, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
User:Jamez42 and User:ZiaLater I am not suggesting entirely cut out the parts about Correa's presidency, just the parts that are not of direct relevance to the present situation. Such as the fact that Correa reduced poverty and increased censorship. I'm not sure what those two things have to do with the present situation. 103.127.65.104 ( talk) 11:58, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
@ Goodposts, ZiaLater, and Jamez42: I can give it a copyedit to include what I see as relevant, since I don't know a lot about this dispute over Correa and as such will have no knowledge beyond the current crisis to see as significant. Kingsif ( talk) 00:03, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
The following paragraph could use some clarifification:
By 12 October, CONAIE had announced that they would participate in dialogue with the Ecuadorian government. [1] However, violent protests intensified in Quito, with the national auditor office–which contained evidence surrounding corruptions cases–being set ablaze and two media facilities being attacked by demonstrators; the offices of Teleamazonas and El Comercio. [1] While masked protesters broke into the facilities, press workers were left trapped. [1] By 3:00pm, Moreno had decreed a national curfew and deployed the Ecuadorian army, stating "We are going to restore order in all of Ecuador" and explaining that the violent protesters were not related to organized indigenous groups, such as CONAIE, instead blaming drug traffickers, organised crime and Correa supporters. [1] In the few streets of Quito that weren't blocked, taxi cabs formed a caravan that rolled trough the city, honking and displaying anti-Moreno signs. [2]
The Contraloría attack happened around 11:00am, the curfew was announced around 14:30 and took effect at 15:00, and the attacks to Teleamazonas and El Comercio happened after the curfew started ( [1]). Current wording could be misleading, since Teleamazonas attack happened after the curfew already started, but the reader might think that the this was a factor leading to the curfew. -- MarioGom ( talk) 16:14, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
Done Thanks!---- ZiaLater ( talk) 08:46, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
References
Given the nature of the developing events, some news sources about the outcomes of the dialogue process are inaccurate. Note that this sometimes happens even with reliable sources in the context of breaking news. Reversal of the whole austerity package was not an outcome of the dialogue, despite what some media outlets are rushing to report.
Pasadas las 21:45, Arnauld Peral, coordinador representante de la Organización de las Naciones Unidas (ONU) para Ecuador, leyó el acuerdo: "Como resultado del diálogo se establece un nuevo decreto que deja sin efecto el Decreto 883. Para lo cual se instalará una comisión que elaborará el nuevo decreto, integrada por las organizaciones movimiento indígena, participantes en este diálogo y el Gobierno nacional, con la mediación de las Naciones Unidas y la Conferencia Episcopal Ecuatoriana y con la veeduría de las otras funciones del Estado. Con este acuerdo se terminan las movilizaciones y medidas de hecho en todo en Ecuador. Y nos comprometemos de manera conjunta a restablecer la paz en el país".
— El Comercio [1]
There was no discussion about all economic measures, the negotiation was centered around Decree No. 883 (removal of fuel subsidies). The resolution was the creation of a committee to gain consensus for a new decree that would substitute Decree No. 883. The terms are still unknown. It is still unknown ( WP:TOOSOON) whether the Government will reverse Decree No. 883 first and then negotiate the new decree, or if Decree No. 883 will stay in effect until the new decree is approved. -- MarioGom ( talk) 09:32, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
-- MarioGom ( talk) 07:36, 18 October 2019 (UTC)El ministro de Finanzas, Richard Martínez, anunció la tarde de este jueves 17 de octubre del 2019 que el paquete de reformas económicas que se enviará a la Asamblea se dividirá en dos partes: el viernes 18 de octubre del 2019 se enviará el proyecto de reforma tributaria, mientras que se iniciará un proceso de diálogo para ajustes en la reforma laboral.
— El Comercio [3]
References
I think the current infobox collage is good, but what about this one?
It's used on the Spanish article. 78.108.56.35 ( talk) 17:08, 15 October 2019 (UTC)