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TompaDompa - I agree that ("terror" and "terrorist" are not interchangeable), and a rename isn't automatic, commonname and all that, - but the verdict was : "guilty on two counts of murder with terrorist intent and eight counts of attempted murder with terrorist intent, …… This marks the first time that a crime in Finland has been legally classified as terrorism" (similar wording in both the local and Reuters reports). Just making sure you are aware. Pincrete ( talk) 18:58, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
Moved to 2017 Turku attack. See general agreement below to rename this article and a rough consensus for the chosen title. Have a Great Day and Happy Publishing! ( nac by page mover) Paine Ellsworth put'r there 23:07, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
2017 Turku stabbing → 2017 Turku terrorist attack – New name would seem to reflect more closely the outcome of the trial and the notability for Finland as a country. – Martinevans123 ( talk) 21:08, 15 June 2018 (UTC)--Relisting. Dekimasu よ! 20:39, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
Discussion on touchy terrorism-wording and subjects in the article after a bit of edit warring between me and Velivieras:
Cheers! 86.115.14.101 ( talk) 13:34, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
Hmm, true. It's only piped as [[Lone wolf (terrorism)|acted alone]] in the background part. Well, in this article source it's mentioned explicitly so I'll just amend it per the source and add a quote: "The National Bureau of Investigation (KRP) has revealed that the young man who stabbed ten people in Turku, South-west Finland, on 18 August, was a lone wolf with sympathies towards the so-called Islamic State, a terrorist organisation also known as Isis, Isil and Daesh. (Helsinki Times [4]). Thx! 86.115.14.101 ( talk) 15:45, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
Who cares what your or mine opinions are - even if you're warping mine. :D We use RS, not our opinions. My version read "Described as Islamic terrorism, it was the first time a terrorist attack was sentenced as a crime in Finland and the first terrorist act in Finland since the end of World War II." so an aversion to Islamic terrorism really can't be my political stance. Or any other political stance for that matter. Rather it's the common principle of writing articles through the words of RS, not my interpretation of facts. For example, your interpretation of facts that leads to a fallacy: Bouanane said he was in "a war against women" = he targeted women specifically during the attack. Even though the investigators of the crime say this was not the case in the end? :D
As mentioned, my concluding proposition: let neutral editors edit the lede. An RFC is another option. 86.115.14.101 ( talk) 17:47, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
Comment: I have, as requested, edited the WP:LEAD. TompaDompa ( talk) 22:27, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
This seesm a very questionable claim. There historically been plenty of politically-motivated violence in Finland, with the assassination of Nikolay Bobrikov in Helsinki in 1904 being one example. There is even a paper explicitly discussing its characterisation as "terrorism"... — Brigade Piron ( talk) 10:48, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
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TompaDompa - I agree that ("terror" and "terrorist" are not interchangeable), and a rename isn't automatic, commonname and all that, - but the verdict was : "guilty on two counts of murder with terrorist intent and eight counts of attempted murder with terrorist intent, …… This marks the first time that a crime in Finland has been legally classified as terrorism" (similar wording in both the local and Reuters reports). Just making sure you are aware. Pincrete ( talk) 18:58, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
Moved to 2017 Turku attack. See general agreement below to rename this article and a rough consensus for the chosen title. Have a Great Day and Happy Publishing! ( nac by page mover) Paine Ellsworth put'r there 23:07, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
2017 Turku stabbing → 2017 Turku terrorist attack – New name would seem to reflect more closely the outcome of the trial and the notability for Finland as a country. – Martinevans123 ( talk) 21:08, 15 June 2018 (UTC)--Relisting. Dekimasu よ! 20:39, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
Discussion on touchy terrorism-wording and subjects in the article after a bit of edit warring between me and Velivieras:
Cheers! 86.115.14.101 ( talk) 13:34, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
Hmm, true. It's only piped as [[Lone wolf (terrorism)|acted alone]] in the background part. Well, in this article source it's mentioned explicitly so I'll just amend it per the source and add a quote: "The National Bureau of Investigation (KRP) has revealed that the young man who stabbed ten people in Turku, South-west Finland, on 18 August, was a lone wolf with sympathies towards the so-called Islamic State, a terrorist organisation also known as Isis, Isil and Daesh. (Helsinki Times [4]). Thx! 86.115.14.101 ( talk) 15:45, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
Who cares what your or mine opinions are - even if you're warping mine. :D We use RS, not our opinions. My version read "Described as Islamic terrorism, it was the first time a terrorist attack was sentenced as a crime in Finland and the first terrorist act in Finland since the end of World War II." so an aversion to Islamic terrorism really can't be my political stance. Or any other political stance for that matter. Rather it's the common principle of writing articles through the words of RS, not my interpretation of facts. For example, your interpretation of facts that leads to a fallacy: Bouanane said he was in "a war against women" = he targeted women specifically during the attack. Even though the investigators of the crime say this was not the case in the end? :D
As mentioned, my concluding proposition: let neutral editors edit the lede. An RFC is another option. 86.115.14.101 ( talk) 17:47, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
Comment: I have, as requested, edited the WP:LEAD. TompaDompa ( talk) 22:27, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
This seesm a very questionable claim. There historically been plenty of politically-motivated violence in Finland, with the assassination of Nikolay Bobrikov in Helsinki in 1904 being one example. There is even a paper explicitly discussing its characterisation as "terrorism"... — Brigade Piron ( talk) 10:48, 18 August 2020 (UTC)