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Both the March and the August 2016 floods need to be discussed. Yes most people think of the August 2016 flood bc it was a 1,000 year flood but the March flood affected different parishes. In all a total of 51 of Louisiana’s 64 parishes flooded in 2016.
PBS reports, " Louisiana’s insurance commissioner estimates 75 percent of those affected by the flooding do not have flood insurance.". Is there state or federal funding? Once this has calmed down, we should add a paragraph about the economic impact of the flood. Zigzig20s ( talk) 03:45, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
I don't know if this is the best place to ask, but I know that it will be visible here: Where is the best place to mention the events related to the inclement weather which caused the Louisiana floods? I was going to make a subsection on this article but the article is clearly only about the flooding in eastern Louisiana. There is at least one notable event coming out of it – a record daily rainfall total in South Bend, Indiana, accompanied by its own flooding ( local NWS report, newspaper article) – but there was also a long-lived tornado elsewhere in Indiana as well as severe weather warnings in Pennsylvania and New York, and the moisture retrograded into east Texas, though I can't find anything that says that extreme effects came from that. Mapsax ( talk) 16:11, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
A Whitehouse.gov blog post mentions Acadia, Ascension, Avoyelles, East Baton Rouge, East Feliciana, Evangeline, Iberia, Iberville, Jefferson Davis, Lafayette, Livingston, Pointe Coupee, St. Helena, St. Landry, St. Martin, St. Tammany, Tangipahoa, Vermilion, Washington and West Feliciana as eligible for federal aid, many more than are shown in File:2016 Louisiana floods map of affected parishes.png. @ Williamcasey: does this merit modification of the map?
This is only counting 21 parishes in the August flood. There were 51 parishes that flooded in Louisiana in the year 2016. Mistie325 ( talk) 17:28, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
This should be in the lede. User:NewsAndEventsGuy has reverted it. There are at least three references (we could find more), with comparisons to President Bush's initial handling of Hurricane Katrina. Zigzig20s ( talk) 15:10, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
User:Zigzig20s: I'm not totally sure where we could find that information. I don't recall seeing any articles in the news that have said that any historic places have been flooded, though I seems likely some have been. I'll try to look around some. If anyone else has any information on this please say something. Williamcasey ( talk) 01:36, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
User:Epicgenius: Even though this article isn't the first place somebody would probably look for help, I think including the link to disasterassistance.gov is still useful and relevant information. If it doesn't belong in a paragraph I think it should at least be in external links. Williamcasey ( talk) 03:08, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
The article on Hurricane Katrina is receiving more traffic than this one, even though the flood is ongoing while Katrina happened 11 years ago. Weird. -- Green C 00:30, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
The flooding started unexpectedly on Friday August 12, but how do we determine when the floods are "over"? The recovery will take over a year or more and there is still flood water in parts of the state. I don't want the date to be vague, but I also don't want an inaccurate representation of the length of the floods, as the majority of the flooding happened between August 12-15. It seems complicated as there are multiple perspectives to look at: the storm itself, the floods, and the recovery. Does anyone have thoughts on how to determine the date or duration of the floods? William Casey ( talk) 20:59, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
The title says floods, that is plural. Both the March and August floods need to be included or the title changed to flood and a separate page created for March. Both were catastrophic. Mistie325 ( talk) 17:27, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
User:Williamcasey: Are they only public schools, or are private schools affected as well? Zigzig20s ( talk) 23:07, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
Since the article is about the "2016" floods, not just "August 2016", I wonder if we should include the flooding the happened in March. [ [1]] Many of the areas that got flooded this time also got water back in March, particularly the area between Baton Rouge and Hammond. Thoughts? Sario528 ( talk) 12:09, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
How many houses, people flooded in Louisiana? By Drew Broach, NOLA.com, The Times-Picayune, August 22, 2016.
The above article is worth looking at for information. Paul H. ( talk) 16:46, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
In total 51 of Louisiana’s 64 parishes flooded in 2016. This includes the flood in March. Mistie325 ( talk) 17:25, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
User:Zigzig20s: One possible paragraph, or maybe even section, we can add is the relation to this flood and Climate Change. Bill Nye has said that the cause of this flood is a result of climate change and I bet more sources will report similar claims. I'll watch for information similar to this in the coming days. Do you or anyone else have other thoughts on this? William Casey ( talk) 21:40, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
The closest background research that I can find in terms of Holocene climatic change for this part of the world is Climate Change and Human History in the Mississippi River Valley, Geoarchaeology Lab at Washington University. The same graph is found in Basin-scale reconstruction of the geological context of human settlement: an example from the lower Mississippi Valley, USA by Tristram R. Kidder, Katherine A. Adelsberger, Lee J. Arco, and Timothy M. Schilling, Quaternary Science Reviews 27 (2008) 1255– 1270. Paul H. ( talk) 22:46, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
The reasoning behind mentioning the frequency of 500 year flooding at the end of the Flooding section is poor. It doesn't matter if we have many 1 in 500 year events in various places across the country or world if we don't know the average number of 1 in 500 year events we're supposed to have per year. It would be noteworthy if a single location experienced a supposed 1 in 500 year event far too often, but even that might only indicate that the 1 in 500 estimate is badly wrong not that climate change is involved. If someone wants to insert climate change activism into this article, they need to do a better job of it. Just because 4 difference sources made the same stupid argument doesn't mean it's any less stupid. Of course, this doesn't mean climate change isn't happening, it just means a single isolated event says nothing about it and information about climate change should be contained to articles that are actually about that subject.
The New York Times today put out an article on climate change and the floods in the Louisiana: Scientists See Push From Climate Change in Louisiana Flooding. Does anyone have any thoughts on if or what we should add? William Casey ( talk) 16:16, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
User:Zigzig20s & anyone else: The 3rd paragraph in the aftermath section, the one about schools, is getting large. Should we create a new section for it? Possibly Impact on education, Impact on schools, or Impact on education system. I think the last one seems fit if we create the section. Also if we do create it, should we reorder the sections within "Aftermath"? William Casey ( talk) 00:23, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
A793b4 ( talk) 10:35, 26 August 2016 (UTC) Hurricane Katrina damaged New Orleans, and two very significant contributing factors were the failed levy system and the fact that they diverted the river from the "sinking" peninsula a hundred years ago. Thus the river no longer deposited sediment in New Orleans, and since it is sinking, much New Orleans is now significantly below sea level.
In this current event, the only listed contributing factor is the storm, but there are vague indications (in the story) that levies failed. When a levy is built along a river, it makes the river "deeper" during a flood event, and if people plant houses in the flood plain, this is what we expect (flooded flood plains). It happened during the late 1980s when cities all along the Mississippi flooded after the storms and melt-water swelled the rivers. My point is, someone should investigate and report on the levy system and other factors as possible contributing factors in this event. If a common contributing factor to a flood is not relevant to this event, then that should also be reported as in "The levy system along the rivers worked as designed, were all well-funded and maintained, and did not fail. Thus the levy systems were not a contributing factor in this flood event." Of course, there would have to be valid sources to such an assertion.
I do not know how to change the error, but the parish map at the top of the page has an issue. St. Martin Parish is unique in that it is cut in half by Iberia Parish. The souther portion of St. Martin Parish was not highlighted in the image. I hope this issue can be resolved by someone else since I do not know how to edit it myself. Thanks!!! 2620:105:B00B:4125:ADC1:A05E:F30C:AF0A ( talk) 18:13, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
User:Zigzig20s: Why did you take a quote from Obama's speech out, take a sentence about Hillary Clinton's reaction on social media out, and add a new negative sentence about Hillary Clinton in place of it in your latest revisions? I don't care about the negative statement you added about Hillary Clinton but taking out the quote from Obama and Hillary Clinton's reactions on social media is complete and obvious bias. Your first edit summary from these edits is as follows: "trimmed. Trump posted an emotional video of a supporter after his visit on social media. Are we going to mention that? No, this is not news.". Must you make this about politics and make unnecessary, unproductive opinion-based statements here on Wikipedia. I completely understand and respect the right for you to have your own opinions but the fact of the matter is that Wikipedia isn't the place for you to push forward your political beliefs onto others. You are a great editor: devoted and heavily experienced, and I only want to make friendship and peace between us so we can continue to make Wikipedia a better place. I could start an edit war between us over this, but I believe in civility and compromise. Here's my proposed compromise: I'm advocating to add back the the quote from Obama and Hillary Clinton's reaction on social media, as both statements were factual, cited, and were not opinion-based. The simple presence of positive statements about politicians you don't like isn't grounds for deleting them. If we further dispute this topic and can't seem to bury the hatchet our selves, I will request a third opinion so this dispute can end. William Casey ( talk) 21:04, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
I don't quite understand. What is WP:POV about quoting the President? I don't see anything on the policy page that says that you have to remove a quote from someone who belongs to one party if you don't have a quote from someone in the other party. — Eru· tuon 21:54, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
To say that we have to include Trump's social media response if we include Clinton's rather misses the point. What's important is that reliable secondary sources find their response notable enough to report. However, I think it is better to include Clinton's official statement calling for a "national response", (see [2] [3] [4]). Falling Gravity 02:38, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
I noticed that since the flooding affected Baton Rouge, if there was any affect on the state's politics at the time as a result. Did they have to stop conducting state business for a while? Was state business done elsewhere? Did the flood have no affect on how the state operated during this time? I find it weird that there is no mention of how/if the flood affected how the state was run.
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Both the March and the August 2016 floods need to be discussed. Yes most people think of the August 2016 flood bc it was a 1,000 year flood but the March flood affected different parishes. In all a total of 51 of Louisiana’s 64 parishes flooded in 2016.
PBS reports, " Louisiana’s insurance commissioner estimates 75 percent of those affected by the flooding do not have flood insurance.". Is there state or federal funding? Once this has calmed down, we should add a paragraph about the economic impact of the flood. Zigzig20s ( talk) 03:45, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
I don't know if this is the best place to ask, but I know that it will be visible here: Where is the best place to mention the events related to the inclement weather which caused the Louisiana floods? I was going to make a subsection on this article but the article is clearly only about the flooding in eastern Louisiana. There is at least one notable event coming out of it – a record daily rainfall total in South Bend, Indiana, accompanied by its own flooding ( local NWS report, newspaper article) – but there was also a long-lived tornado elsewhere in Indiana as well as severe weather warnings in Pennsylvania and New York, and the moisture retrograded into east Texas, though I can't find anything that says that extreme effects came from that. Mapsax ( talk) 16:11, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
A Whitehouse.gov blog post mentions Acadia, Ascension, Avoyelles, East Baton Rouge, East Feliciana, Evangeline, Iberia, Iberville, Jefferson Davis, Lafayette, Livingston, Pointe Coupee, St. Helena, St. Landry, St. Martin, St. Tammany, Tangipahoa, Vermilion, Washington and West Feliciana as eligible for federal aid, many more than are shown in File:2016 Louisiana floods map of affected parishes.png. @ Williamcasey: does this merit modification of the map?
This is only counting 21 parishes in the August flood. There were 51 parishes that flooded in Louisiana in the year 2016. Mistie325 ( talk) 17:28, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
This should be in the lede. User:NewsAndEventsGuy has reverted it. There are at least three references (we could find more), with comparisons to President Bush's initial handling of Hurricane Katrina. Zigzig20s ( talk) 15:10, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
User:Zigzig20s: I'm not totally sure where we could find that information. I don't recall seeing any articles in the news that have said that any historic places have been flooded, though I seems likely some have been. I'll try to look around some. If anyone else has any information on this please say something. Williamcasey ( talk) 01:36, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
User:Epicgenius: Even though this article isn't the first place somebody would probably look for help, I think including the link to disasterassistance.gov is still useful and relevant information. If it doesn't belong in a paragraph I think it should at least be in external links. Williamcasey ( talk) 03:08, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
The article on Hurricane Katrina is receiving more traffic than this one, even though the flood is ongoing while Katrina happened 11 years ago. Weird. -- Green C 00:30, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
The flooding started unexpectedly on Friday August 12, but how do we determine when the floods are "over"? The recovery will take over a year or more and there is still flood water in parts of the state. I don't want the date to be vague, but I also don't want an inaccurate representation of the length of the floods, as the majority of the flooding happened between August 12-15. It seems complicated as there are multiple perspectives to look at: the storm itself, the floods, and the recovery. Does anyone have thoughts on how to determine the date or duration of the floods? William Casey ( talk) 20:59, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
The title says floods, that is plural. Both the March and August floods need to be included or the title changed to flood and a separate page created for March. Both were catastrophic. Mistie325 ( talk) 17:27, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
User:Williamcasey: Are they only public schools, or are private schools affected as well? Zigzig20s ( talk) 23:07, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
Since the article is about the "2016" floods, not just "August 2016", I wonder if we should include the flooding the happened in March. [ [1]] Many of the areas that got flooded this time also got water back in March, particularly the area between Baton Rouge and Hammond. Thoughts? Sario528 ( talk) 12:09, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
How many houses, people flooded in Louisiana? By Drew Broach, NOLA.com, The Times-Picayune, August 22, 2016.
The above article is worth looking at for information. Paul H. ( talk) 16:46, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
In total 51 of Louisiana’s 64 parishes flooded in 2016. This includes the flood in March. Mistie325 ( talk) 17:25, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
User:Zigzig20s: One possible paragraph, or maybe even section, we can add is the relation to this flood and Climate Change. Bill Nye has said that the cause of this flood is a result of climate change and I bet more sources will report similar claims. I'll watch for information similar to this in the coming days. Do you or anyone else have other thoughts on this? William Casey ( talk) 21:40, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
The closest background research that I can find in terms of Holocene climatic change for this part of the world is Climate Change and Human History in the Mississippi River Valley, Geoarchaeology Lab at Washington University. The same graph is found in Basin-scale reconstruction of the geological context of human settlement: an example from the lower Mississippi Valley, USA by Tristram R. Kidder, Katherine A. Adelsberger, Lee J. Arco, and Timothy M. Schilling, Quaternary Science Reviews 27 (2008) 1255– 1270. Paul H. ( talk) 22:46, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
The reasoning behind mentioning the frequency of 500 year flooding at the end of the Flooding section is poor. It doesn't matter if we have many 1 in 500 year events in various places across the country or world if we don't know the average number of 1 in 500 year events we're supposed to have per year. It would be noteworthy if a single location experienced a supposed 1 in 500 year event far too often, but even that might only indicate that the 1 in 500 estimate is badly wrong not that climate change is involved. If someone wants to insert climate change activism into this article, they need to do a better job of it. Just because 4 difference sources made the same stupid argument doesn't mean it's any less stupid. Of course, this doesn't mean climate change isn't happening, it just means a single isolated event says nothing about it and information about climate change should be contained to articles that are actually about that subject.
The New York Times today put out an article on climate change and the floods in the Louisiana: Scientists See Push From Climate Change in Louisiana Flooding. Does anyone have any thoughts on if or what we should add? William Casey ( talk) 16:16, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
User:Zigzig20s & anyone else: The 3rd paragraph in the aftermath section, the one about schools, is getting large. Should we create a new section for it? Possibly Impact on education, Impact on schools, or Impact on education system. I think the last one seems fit if we create the section. Also if we do create it, should we reorder the sections within "Aftermath"? William Casey ( talk) 00:23, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
A793b4 ( talk) 10:35, 26 August 2016 (UTC) Hurricane Katrina damaged New Orleans, and two very significant contributing factors were the failed levy system and the fact that they diverted the river from the "sinking" peninsula a hundred years ago. Thus the river no longer deposited sediment in New Orleans, and since it is sinking, much New Orleans is now significantly below sea level.
In this current event, the only listed contributing factor is the storm, but there are vague indications (in the story) that levies failed. When a levy is built along a river, it makes the river "deeper" during a flood event, and if people plant houses in the flood plain, this is what we expect (flooded flood plains). It happened during the late 1980s when cities all along the Mississippi flooded after the storms and melt-water swelled the rivers. My point is, someone should investigate and report on the levy system and other factors as possible contributing factors in this event. If a common contributing factor to a flood is not relevant to this event, then that should also be reported as in "The levy system along the rivers worked as designed, were all well-funded and maintained, and did not fail. Thus the levy systems were not a contributing factor in this flood event." Of course, there would have to be valid sources to such an assertion.
I do not know how to change the error, but the parish map at the top of the page has an issue. St. Martin Parish is unique in that it is cut in half by Iberia Parish. The souther portion of St. Martin Parish was not highlighted in the image. I hope this issue can be resolved by someone else since I do not know how to edit it myself. Thanks!!! 2620:105:B00B:4125:ADC1:A05E:F30C:AF0A ( talk) 18:13, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
User:Zigzig20s: Why did you take a quote from Obama's speech out, take a sentence about Hillary Clinton's reaction on social media out, and add a new negative sentence about Hillary Clinton in place of it in your latest revisions? I don't care about the negative statement you added about Hillary Clinton but taking out the quote from Obama and Hillary Clinton's reactions on social media is complete and obvious bias. Your first edit summary from these edits is as follows: "trimmed. Trump posted an emotional video of a supporter after his visit on social media. Are we going to mention that? No, this is not news.". Must you make this about politics and make unnecessary, unproductive opinion-based statements here on Wikipedia. I completely understand and respect the right for you to have your own opinions but the fact of the matter is that Wikipedia isn't the place for you to push forward your political beliefs onto others. You are a great editor: devoted and heavily experienced, and I only want to make friendship and peace between us so we can continue to make Wikipedia a better place. I could start an edit war between us over this, but I believe in civility and compromise. Here's my proposed compromise: I'm advocating to add back the the quote from Obama and Hillary Clinton's reaction on social media, as both statements were factual, cited, and were not opinion-based. The simple presence of positive statements about politicians you don't like isn't grounds for deleting them. If we further dispute this topic and can't seem to bury the hatchet our selves, I will request a third opinion so this dispute can end. William Casey ( talk) 21:04, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
I don't quite understand. What is WP:POV about quoting the President? I don't see anything on the policy page that says that you have to remove a quote from someone who belongs to one party if you don't have a quote from someone in the other party. — Eru· tuon 21:54, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
To say that we have to include Trump's social media response if we include Clinton's rather misses the point. What's important is that reliable secondary sources find their response notable enough to report. However, I think it is better to include Clinton's official statement calling for a "national response", (see [2] [3] [4]). Falling Gravity 02:38, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
I noticed that since the flooding affected Baton Rouge, if there was any affect on the state's politics at the time as a result. Did they have to stop conducting state business for a while? Was state business done elsewhere? Did the flood have no affect on how the state operated during this time? I find it weird that there is no mention of how/if the flood affected how the state was run.
65.214.67.173 ( talk) 05:06, 3 December 2016 (UTC)