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Dear editors, it is my utmost request to all of you to be careful while writing in this article. I know that many of you are more mature than me and you need not be told so. Kindly ignore me if it is not related to you. Thanks. -- Abhijeet Safai ( talk) 11:56, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
I do agree with Mr. Abhijeet Safai. Even you may consider to suspend the page for coming few days, peoples are looking desperately what is actually happening, media showing a mature role by not exposing explicit details. At this moment this page contain some details of the sequence of events, which may turn out to be harmful. Raktim Abir, Kolkata, India. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.139.193.68 ( talk) 14:28, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
I agree with my pals. I found that the edit done at "12:50, 9 September 2013" has added the religious identities and the names of the people related to the spark of the riot. I wish this addition be removed by the authorised people, if any. ( I tried it myself, but was in vain as the article was semi-protected ). Or else, let this article be removed for some days, till the things reach normality as the death toll is increasing day after day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.245.196.20 ( talk)
I think article should be withheld for some days or else a link may be displayed that the article has been hidden in the wake of sensitive environment. Also, the conflict in ongoing and information available as of now may possibly turn out to be not true in the future. In any case, the background information given is not correct/complete. It suffers from media POV rather than neutral POV. Fact of the matter is the tensions were simmering for over a month after rape incident. Then another incident of molestation took place. Following that three people died in a scuffle which led to the violence. There was a good time lag between the rape incident and the subsequent molestation incident. For now, I think it is best if the article shows no details, just show the number of casualties. isoham ( talk) 09:34, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
I would like to provide two links. One of them shows the video link of the inflammatory speeches delivered by Muslim MPs and MLAs belonging to BSP, SP and Congress at a rally on August 30. It also has excerpts from the maha-panchayat organized on Sep 07. http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/videos-inciting-violence-muzaffarnagar-uttar-pradesh/1/309350.html This link shows BSP MP Qadir Rana threatening to kill all children in Muzaffar Nagar if the maha-panchayat is held.
This other link, details how the riots started when Hindus returning from the maha-panchayat were ambushed by muslims and killed in a general massacre. The riots started there after. http://www.dnaindia.com/india/1888043/report-dna-special-jolly-canal-killings-triggered-the-muzaffarnagar-riots
The above massacre, is referred to as Jolly canal killings and the riots started after that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Babloono1 ( talk • contribs) 23:15, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
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[1] Sumitranandank ( talk) 12:09, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
How a Fake Video on Facebook fuelled the Riots at Muzaffarnagar ? [2]
This would be suppresio veri suggestio falsi. This is simply the negationist media POV. Fact of the matter is the video might be fake/outdated but the what it showed had actually happened. isoham ( talk) 09:38, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
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The article is almost ready for the front page. Editors may be able to help provide a few citations and clarify some abbreviations and Hindi terms for non-Indians unfamiliar with the subject. μηδείς ( talk) 23:19, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
The fact that more than 40 riots have taken place during Akhilesh's govt. The govt. callousness and communal politics are responsible for the riots.. [1] This is not mentioned in the article. Also the govt is criticised for suspending Durga Nagpal for alleged removing of a disputed structure, but in the case where riots have taken place, not a single suspension has been done. The SP govt is considered a total failure, accused for induldging in blatant communalism and its removal is sought by various political parties. [2] [3] [4]. [5] Please include this in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:4490:D660:0:0:0:0:B20 ( talk) 03:24, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
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The Jat boys who were lynched seem to have been Sikhs by their names. Should the Jats be described as Hindus? μηδείς ( talk) 16:03, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
Bharatiya Kisan Union & Bharatiya Kisan Sangh are different so please do not attach these two different groups in the article.Bharatiya Kisan Union supremo is Naresh and Rakesh Tikait and it is basically support Rashtriya Lok Dal. Where Bharatiya Kisan Sangh is farmer wing of Bhartiya Janta Party.-- Prateek Malviya ( talk) 05:32, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
Kindly go through this article from a popular Indian news channel which can be relied upon.
Your article comes with lots of discrepancies and directly blames one community for the riot. I expect you to be impartial. Rakib Akhtar — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rakibakhtar ( talk • contribs) 13:46, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
Riot came to an end now situation is under control so we can remove ongoing from infobox. Total death toll 47. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 42.107.175.152 ( talk) 15:22, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
>> India's riot-displaced decry 'evictions'( Lihaas ( talk) 11:49, 13 January 2014 (UTC)).
This sentence doesn't seem to be reliable enough as it is just based on the interview of one person in the DNA news website. "Although six bodies have been recovered, hundreds are still missing.[22] District Magistrate agreed that many bodies were still missing"
Also this section only presents one side of the view as there are other reports which elaborate that more Muslims than Hindus were killed in this incident.
″The FIRs registered so far mention the death of only seven persons. Four of them were Muslims. And the only person recorded as missing is also a Muslim. The bodies of the four Muslims were found at the site of violence and that of the three Hindus were fished out from the Jauli canal that runs through the village.″
and also that there was a two sided confrontation at this spot rather than mass killing of Panchayat participants. So this section should be properly corrected in light of the FIRs which are more reliable than what was initially reported.
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The Violence against Muslims in India template lists this article, so it is seems inappropriate to remove that template from this page. I am not convinced by the editor's argument of bias. -- Toddy1 (talk) 08:48, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
Within "The Beti Bachao Mahapanchayat, attended by lacs of people,....." is lacs a reference to number as in 100,000s? 94.126.214.13 ( talk) 11:20, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
This riot was not a targeted religious riot, it was a riot of mutual enmity, Muslim Jats first killed two Hindu Jats over a Hindu Jat girl, then Jat panchayats marched into Muslim areas, many Hindu Jats were injured, then both of them fought & were equally killed Haryanajoin ( talk) 05:40, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
this is not a religious fight. Haryanajoin ( talk) 05:45, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
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Dear editors, it is my utmost request to all of you to be careful while writing in this article. I know that many of you are more mature than me and you need not be told so. Kindly ignore me if it is not related to you. Thanks. -- Abhijeet Safai ( talk) 11:56, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
I do agree with Mr. Abhijeet Safai. Even you may consider to suspend the page for coming few days, peoples are looking desperately what is actually happening, media showing a mature role by not exposing explicit details. At this moment this page contain some details of the sequence of events, which may turn out to be harmful. Raktim Abir, Kolkata, India. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.139.193.68 ( talk) 14:28, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
I agree with my pals. I found that the edit done at "12:50, 9 September 2013" has added the religious identities and the names of the people related to the spark of the riot. I wish this addition be removed by the authorised people, if any. ( I tried it myself, but was in vain as the article was semi-protected ). Or else, let this article be removed for some days, till the things reach normality as the death toll is increasing day after day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.245.196.20 ( talk)
I think article should be withheld for some days or else a link may be displayed that the article has been hidden in the wake of sensitive environment. Also, the conflict in ongoing and information available as of now may possibly turn out to be not true in the future. In any case, the background information given is not correct/complete. It suffers from media POV rather than neutral POV. Fact of the matter is the tensions were simmering for over a month after rape incident. Then another incident of molestation took place. Following that three people died in a scuffle which led to the violence. There was a good time lag between the rape incident and the subsequent molestation incident. For now, I think it is best if the article shows no details, just show the number of casualties. isoham ( talk) 09:34, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
I would like to provide two links. One of them shows the video link of the inflammatory speeches delivered by Muslim MPs and MLAs belonging to BSP, SP and Congress at a rally on August 30. It also has excerpts from the maha-panchayat organized on Sep 07. http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/videos-inciting-violence-muzaffarnagar-uttar-pradesh/1/309350.html This link shows BSP MP Qadir Rana threatening to kill all children in Muzaffar Nagar if the maha-panchayat is held.
This other link, details how the riots started when Hindus returning from the maha-panchayat were ambushed by muslims and killed in a general massacre. The riots started there after. http://www.dnaindia.com/india/1888043/report-dna-special-jolly-canal-killings-triggered-the-muzaffarnagar-riots
The above massacre, is referred to as Jolly canal killings and the riots started after that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Babloono1 ( talk • contribs) 23:15, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
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[1] Sumitranandank ( talk) 12:09, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
How a Fake Video on Facebook fuelled the Riots at Muzaffarnagar ? [2]
This would be suppresio veri suggestio falsi. This is simply the negationist media POV. Fact of the matter is the video might be fake/outdated but the what it showed had actually happened. isoham ( talk) 09:38, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
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cite news}}
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help)
The article is almost ready for the front page. Editors may be able to help provide a few citations and clarify some abbreviations and Hindi terms for non-Indians unfamiliar with the subject. μηδείς ( talk) 23:19, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
The fact that more than 40 riots have taken place during Akhilesh's govt. The govt. callousness and communal politics are responsible for the riots.. [1] This is not mentioned in the article. Also the govt is criticised for suspending Durga Nagpal for alleged removing of a disputed structure, but in the case where riots have taken place, not a single suspension has been done. The SP govt is considered a total failure, accused for induldging in blatant communalism and its removal is sought by various political parties. [2] [3] [4]. [5] Please include this in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:4490:D660:0:0:0:0:B20 ( talk) 03:24, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
References
The Jat boys who were lynched seem to have been Sikhs by their names. Should the Jats be described as Hindus? μηδείς ( talk) 16:03, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
Bharatiya Kisan Union & Bharatiya Kisan Sangh are different so please do not attach these two different groups in the article.Bharatiya Kisan Union supremo is Naresh and Rakesh Tikait and it is basically support Rashtriya Lok Dal. Where Bharatiya Kisan Sangh is farmer wing of Bhartiya Janta Party.-- Prateek Malviya ( talk) 05:32, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
Kindly go through this article from a popular Indian news channel which can be relied upon.
Your article comes with lots of discrepancies and directly blames one community for the riot. I expect you to be impartial. Rakib Akhtar — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rakibakhtar ( talk • contribs) 13:46, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
Riot came to an end now situation is under control so we can remove ongoing from infobox. Total death toll 47. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 42.107.175.152 ( talk) 15:22, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
>> India's riot-displaced decry 'evictions'( Lihaas ( talk) 11:49, 13 January 2014 (UTC)).
This sentence doesn't seem to be reliable enough as it is just based on the interview of one person in the DNA news website. "Although six bodies have been recovered, hundreds are still missing.[22] District Magistrate agreed that many bodies were still missing"
Also this section only presents one side of the view as there are other reports which elaborate that more Muslims than Hindus were killed in this incident.
″The FIRs registered so far mention the death of only seven persons. Four of them were Muslims. And the only person recorded as missing is also a Muslim. The bodies of the four Muslims were found at the site of violence and that of the three Hindus were fished out from the Jauli canal that runs through the village.″
and also that there was a two sided confrontation at this spot rather than mass killing of Panchayat participants. So this section should be properly corrected in light of the FIRs which are more reliable than what was initially reported.
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07:39, 5 February 2022
The Violence against Muslims in India template lists this article, so it is seems inappropriate to remove that template from this page. I am not convinced by the editor's argument of bias. -- Toddy1 (talk) 08:48, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
Within "The Beti Bachao Mahapanchayat, attended by lacs of people,....." is lacs a reference to number as in 100,000s? 94.126.214.13 ( talk) 11:20, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
This riot was not a targeted religious riot, it was a riot of mutual enmity, Muslim Jats first killed two Hindu Jats over a Hindu Jat girl, then Jat panchayats marched into Muslim areas, many Hindu Jats were injured, then both of them fought & were equally killed Haryanajoin ( talk) 05:40, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
this is not a religious fight. Haryanajoin ( talk) 05:45, 11 August 2023 (UTC)