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Why is the article named Israeli "housing" protests?? it should be named 2011 Israeli protests, the protesters demand social justice not just homes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBTJaieg-Rs&feature=share
I guess how is this connected to Arab Spring?????? Shmuliko ( talk) 12:41, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
I still don't know about the Arab Spring conn ection, it sounds like an anti-Semitic joke: "Arabs protest for freedom, Israelis protest for discounts". The Israeli protestors want the government to remain firmly in place and for it to have more power. No one has died or is willing to die for this cause. Does this protest have anything to do with the Arab Spring other than being, well, a protest?
To establish some context for readers not familiar with the Israeli housing market, it would be interesting to specify how high these prices actually are - say, compared to an average salary. Surely there are sources that discuss the actual figures in relation to the protests. GregorB ( talk) 22:32, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
^ Violent? Somebody has no idea what he's writing about. Mofaz refers to expected September stetehood declaration by Palestinians. He expect Palestinians to start violence, not housing protesters.
Might be a better title, just like 2011 Norway attacks and various others. - Cilibinarii ( talk) 15:41, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
hello , i took this pic from yesterday 150,000 ppl demonstration - in tel aviv : http://avivi.org/meowart/150000/avivi-aharon-d200-35mmf28-17.jpg feel free to use it in wiki, thanks! avivi — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.250.173.87 ( talk) 15:55, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
no problems, i posted @ flickr under Creative Commons license http://www.flickr.com/photos/avivi/5994066817/ thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.250.177.212 ( talk) 16:49, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
oh sorry i changed it to the first option:
hope it's ok now (or tell me which to choose if i'm wrong again:) thank you!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.250.177.212 ( talk) 21:14, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
I would recommend the second one. :) Also the location where it was taken would be useful as a caption. Brightgalrs (/braɪtˈɡæl.ərˌɛs/) [1] 22:10, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
done and done :) thanks again! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.250.177.212 ( talk) 22:49, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
oh my! does look awesome! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.250.177.212 ( talk) 23:42, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
hello, new pics from yesterday demonstration tell me which u think are proper
http://avivi.org/meowart/500000/index.html (and btw it was a half million demonstration ., and not only 320,000 ppl in tel-aviv.)
Full album of photos from the protest last night in Tel Aviv https://plus.google.com/photos/112981749632314914467/albums/5638059251111271329 with translations and captions. Free for use -- The Egyptian Liberal ( talk) 18:15, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
Hello, posted 4 pictures and a video for use @ wiki from the August 6th demonstration @ Tel aviv
thank you!
avivi
As I see it, these protests have developed beyond mere housing concerns. There have been people expressing discontent with Prime Minister Netanyahu and demanding early elections. [4] Master&Expert ( Talk) 21:00, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
All the english language media over there are calling it the "Social Protests" and thus, so should we.... Ericl ( talk)
any objections on changing the top picture to this one : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Israel_Housing_Protests_Tel_Aviv_August_6_2011b.jpg
(was biggest demonstration in israel so far)
-- SadRobot ( talk) 20:57, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
The article is well developed but the main 'social justice' theme is missing. The name of the article should be changed because the housing issue is just one and not the main issue of the various organizers and the hard-core protesters. -- Shuki ( talk) 20:36, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
Criticism of the 'protest' should be noted in this article and there is a lot of it that has simply not been added yet. The problematic background of the organizers is also missing, and this will also soon be added. I'll AGF, but one should also be reminded of WP:OWN. -- Shuki ( talk) 04:15, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
There seems to be a pattern especially in the English-language articles, to distort and mis-represent the protests as a far-left plot to overthrow a government, with sinister figures behind the scenes playing the activists like puppets.
To put it mildly, this is a conspiracy theory promoted by the Israeli far right. There is zero evidence for this. So far this slander from the far-right is losing the battle over Israeli public opinion, big time. But they find it easier to distort reality here on Wikipedia. In the Hebrew site they blocked the introduction of a Daphni Leef entry for weeks. In the English site, the Daphni Leef entry called the protests "civil strife" (which means a domestic armed conflict) and used the term "inciting" to refer to them.
This particular entry about the protests in general, had a strange paragraph claiming that "events leading up" to the protests started with some weird speech (available on Youtube) that connects some advice Democratic pollster Stan Greenberg about how to revive the left. Needless to say, zero evidence that the protest organizers have ever even heard of this speech - which, frankly, does not seem so enlightening anyway.
I don't know how Wikipedia handles such concentrated attacks on the truth, but thought it would be a good idea to warn the editors. There's plenty of good, even first-hand information on these protests. Please make sure that entries are based on this information and not on distortions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.35.180.192 ( talk) 06:57, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
I'm sorry, even if a right-wing journalist raised a theory about this connection in Ma'ariv, it is still a conspiracy theory. Some talk recorded on Youtube in April, even if it was made by someone related to the protests, should *not* open the section on "Events leading up to the protests". It was not an event on the direct line leading up to the protest. If you want, you can open a different section or add it to the section discussing controversies. But it is not part of the events leading up to the protests. And btw, I don't have a Hebrew user id. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.35.180.192 ( talk) 08:16, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
Wanted to add: just read the Globes interview with Boaz Gaon. He is definitely *not* one of the protest organizer. He is a sympathizer who started visiting the tents in July once they started, and offered his help. Maybe they took some of his help and maybe not, but certainly that April Youtube talk he made has nothing to do with the organization of the start of the protests. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.35.180.192 ( talk) 08:32, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
Why was this correction deleted? The source clearly shows that the "Greenberg conspiracy" Libeskind fantasizes about is completely ridiculous: If you were conspiring with a foreign politician to overthrow the government, would you write 5 feet of text about it in Haaretz, one of the country's largest dailies? Libeskind takes a public meeting of a round table Gaon himself wrote about in Haaretz and claims some connection to protests in which Gaon is not involved in any meaningful way. If you want Libeskind's rubbish in the article, then only as what it is: An obviously false conspiracy theory. I'd pretty much prefer simply keeping it out, as it obviously has no connection to the topic of this article. -- 92.206.226.112 ( talk) 08:21, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
The article is undue weight in the lead, full stop. It is a single, not unbiased source. It may be ok in the body, with proper attribution, but in no condition is it fit for the lead. Rami R 17:37, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
I'm not normally a contributor to wikipedia and I'm not sure how the policies deal with editorial content since it can't rightly be called encyclopedic. I've read editorials by Uri Avnery before and he seems to maintain a reasonably objective stance, though rarely offers uncritical support for the positions of his government. For a somewhat whimsical look at what is happening, take a look at: http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1315580880 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.183.134.202 ( talk) 15:10, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
An editor has added a "panoramic view" of the protest, but it doesn't seem like it's a panoramic view at all, or even a real view. I think we should either state clearly that it's a photomontage, or remove the image altogether. Just for the record, I am not at all blaming the editor who put the image there—it is likely that he did not see that it was a montage. — Ynhockey ( Talk) 14:56, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
I am wondering where a section about this would go. It is not right to put it in the criticism section because that is for external people/entities. The following text is not what I want to insert but merely background.
Since the beginning two leaderships of the protest. The main antagonists who have been in the media limelight, and the anonymous people who have been sleeping in the tent camps around the country and and often frustrated with the other 'media' leaders who seem to be grabbing attention but not talking about their plight and causes. To name a few incidents, the students did not show up to the press conference last week, The day after the 'million man march', Dafni was cursed when she showed up to the Holon camp and a fight ensued but later calmed. [5] [6] and in the Maariv weekend edition, one of the founders of the protest and hunger strikers, Adam Dovz'insky, revealed much internal strife within the leadership and the rich media leaders were disconnected to the needy people in the tents who had the cost of living issues.
Another set of antagonists are the anarchists who have been very visible over the past couple of months, but not too notable. Eldad remarks from discussions with army officers of the drastic drop in incidents involving anarchists during the summer and the officers anticipating their return to the separation fence clashes [7]. -- Shuki ( talk) 21:08, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
For Rami and others, please read WP:PRIMARY. A primary source may only be used on Wikipedia to make straightforward, descriptive statements that any educated person, with access to the source but without specialist knowledge, will be able to verify are supported by the source The main secondary source is Libeskind's article. I have merely included some of the original primary sources and have not OR my personal analysis. If you feel the last line about multiple initiatives is based on the PS, please discuss rather than merely delete which might be construed as joining the POV push here. Your remark about the Marker ref is valid, the title of the article seems to not convey the info inside properly. About the Libeskind article, it was not just a regular blog post, but rather a regular article in the weekend paper. On the other hand, Yemini's information is only at the bottom of the article since it is disputed, and that was more like an analysis piece that often is included alongside main articles in the print edition, and not a classic op-ed.-- Shuki ( talk) 17:12, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
Am I wrong, or is there nothing at all being reported in mainstream US media about this? -- 75.108.199.245 ( talk) 21:55, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
A journalist said the protest is rooted in far left parties, and [the protest launch] was aimed to create momentum to create a powerful left side party. This is the opinion of one journalist, and should not be enlightened (put in the abstract) like it is. I move it down in media coverage. Yug (talk) 08:56, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
Most protesters led by Daphne Leaf are members of Israel's Communist Leftist. פארוק ( talk) 11:46, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
Given that the protests are ongoing and that the media only refer to them as the "Israeli social justice protests" I propose that we rename the article to "2011-2012 Israeli social justice protests". Poyani ( talk) 13:56, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
While the consequences of these protests are surely being felt now, what the article says about them being "ongoing" is very strange. The actual protests ended ages ago. I think we should write that they ended in October 2011 because that's what the main article essentially says. Any input is welcome. — Ynhockey ( Talk) 14:42, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
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Why is the article named Israeli "housing" protests?? it should be named 2011 Israeli protests, the protesters demand social justice not just homes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBTJaieg-Rs&feature=share
I guess how is this connected to Arab Spring?????? Shmuliko ( talk) 12:41, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
I still don't know about the Arab Spring conn ection, it sounds like an anti-Semitic joke: "Arabs protest for freedom, Israelis protest for discounts". The Israeli protestors want the government to remain firmly in place and for it to have more power. No one has died or is willing to die for this cause. Does this protest have anything to do with the Arab Spring other than being, well, a protest?
To establish some context for readers not familiar with the Israeli housing market, it would be interesting to specify how high these prices actually are - say, compared to an average salary. Surely there are sources that discuss the actual figures in relation to the protests. GregorB ( talk) 22:32, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
^ Violent? Somebody has no idea what he's writing about. Mofaz refers to expected September stetehood declaration by Palestinians. He expect Palestinians to start violence, not housing protesters.
Might be a better title, just like 2011 Norway attacks and various others. - Cilibinarii ( talk) 15:41, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
hello , i took this pic from yesterday 150,000 ppl demonstration - in tel aviv : http://avivi.org/meowart/150000/avivi-aharon-d200-35mmf28-17.jpg feel free to use it in wiki, thanks! avivi — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.250.173.87 ( talk) 15:55, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
no problems, i posted @ flickr under Creative Commons license http://www.flickr.com/photos/avivi/5994066817/ thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.250.177.212 ( talk) 16:49, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
oh sorry i changed it to the first option:
hope it's ok now (or tell me which to choose if i'm wrong again:) thank you!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.250.177.212 ( talk) 21:14, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
I would recommend the second one. :) Also the location where it was taken would be useful as a caption. Brightgalrs (/braɪtˈɡæl.ərˌɛs/) [1] 22:10, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
done and done :) thanks again! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.250.177.212 ( talk) 22:49, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
oh my! does look awesome! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.250.177.212 ( talk) 23:42, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
hello, new pics from yesterday demonstration tell me which u think are proper
http://avivi.org/meowart/500000/index.html (and btw it was a half million demonstration ., and not only 320,000 ppl in tel-aviv.)
Full album of photos from the protest last night in Tel Aviv https://plus.google.com/photos/112981749632314914467/albums/5638059251111271329 with translations and captions. Free for use -- The Egyptian Liberal ( talk) 18:15, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
Hello, posted 4 pictures and a video for use @ wiki from the August 6th demonstration @ Tel aviv
thank you!
avivi
As I see it, these protests have developed beyond mere housing concerns. There have been people expressing discontent with Prime Minister Netanyahu and demanding early elections. [4] Master&Expert ( Talk) 21:00, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
All the english language media over there are calling it the "Social Protests" and thus, so should we.... Ericl ( talk)
any objections on changing the top picture to this one : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Israel_Housing_Protests_Tel_Aviv_August_6_2011b.jpg
(was biggest demonstration in israel so far)
-- SadRobot ( talk) 20:57, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
The article is well developed but the main 'social justice' theme is missing. The name of the article should be changed because the housing issue is just one and not the main issue of the various organizers and the hard-core protesters. -- Shuki ( talk) 20:36, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
Criticism of the 'protest' should be noted in this article and there is a lot of it that has simply not been added yet. The problematic background of the organizers is also missing, and this will also soon be added. I'll AGF, but one should also be reminded of WP:OWN. -- Shuki ( talk) 04:15, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
There seems to be a pattern especially in the English-language articles, to distort and mis-represent the protests as a far-left plot to overthrow a government, with sinister figures behind the scenes playing the activists like puppets.
To put it mildly, this is a conspiracy theory promoted by the Israeli far right. There is zero evidence for this. So far this slander from the far-right is losing the battle over Israeli public opinion, big time. But they find it easier to distort reality here on Wikipedia. In the Hebrew site they blocked the introduction of a Daphni Leef entry for weeks. In the English site, the Daphni Leef entry called the protests "civil strife" (which means a domestic armed conflict) and used the term "inciting" to refer to them.
This particular entry about the protests in general, had a strange paragraph claiming that "events leading up" to the protests started with some weird speech (available on Youtube) that connects some advice Democratic pollster Stan Greenberg about how to revive the left. Needless to say, zero evidence that the protest organizers have ever even heard of this speech - which, frankly, does not seem so enlightening anyway.
I don't know how Wikipedia handles such concentrated attacks on the truth, but thought it would be a good idea to warn the editors. There's plenty of good, even first-hand information on these protests. Please make sure that entries are based on this information and not on distortions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.35.180.192 ( talk) 06:57, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
I'm sorry, even if a right-wing journalist raised a theory about this connection in Ma'ariv, it is still a conspiracy theory. Some talk recorded on Youtube in April, even if it was made by someone related to the protests, should *not* open the section on "Events leading up to the protests". It was not an event on the direct line leading up to the protest. If you want, you can open a different section or add it to the section discussing controversies. But it is not part of the events leading up to the protests. And btw, I don't have a Hebrew user id. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.35.180.192 ( talk) 08:16, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
Wanted to add: just read the Globes interview with Boaz Gaon. He is definitely *not* one of the protest organizer. He is a sympathizer who started visiting the tents in July once they started, and offered his help. Maybe they took some of his help and maybe not, but certainly that April Youtube talk he made has nothing to do with the organization of the start of the protests. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.35.180.192 ( talk) 08:32, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
Why was this correction deleted? The source clearly shows that the "Greenberg conspiracy" Libeskind fantasizes about is completely ridiculous: If you were conspiring with a foreign politician to overthrow the government, would you write 5 feet of text about it in Haaretz, one of the country's largest dailies? Libeskind takes a public meeting of a round table Gaon himself wrote about in Haaretz and claims some connection to protests in which Gaon is not involved in any meaningful way. If you want Libeskind's rubbish in the article, then only as what it is: An obviously false conspiracy theory. I'd pretty much prefer simply keeping it out, as it obviously has no connection to the topic of this article. -- 92.206.226.112 ( talk) 08:21, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
The article is undue weight in the lead, full stop. It is a single, not unbiased source. It may be ok in the body, with proper attribution, but in no condition is it fit for the lead. Rami R 17:37, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
I'm not normally a contributor to wikipedia and I'm not sure how the policies deal with editorial content since it can't rightly be called encyclopedic. I've read editorials by Uri Avnery before and he seems to maintain a reasonably objective stance, though rarely offers uncritical support for the positions of his government. For a somewhat whimsical look at what is happening, take a look at: http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1315580880 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.183.134.202 ( talk) 15:10, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
An editor has added a "panoramic view" of the protest, but it doesn't seem like it's a panoramic view at all, or even a real view. I think we should either state clearly that it's a photomontage, or remove the image altogether. Just for the record, I am not at all blaming the editor who put the image there—it is likely that he did not see that it was a montage. — Ynhockey ( Talk) 14:56, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
I am wondering where a section about this would go. It is not right to put it in the criticism section because that is for external people/entities. The following text is not what I want to insert but merely background.
Since the beginning two leaderships of the protest. The main antagonists who have been in the media limelight, and the anonymous people who have been sleeping in the tent camps around the country and and often frustrated with the other 'media' leaders who seem to be grabbing attention but not talking about their plight and causes. To name a few incidents, the students did not show up to the press conference last week, The day after the 'million man march', Dafni was cursed when she showed up to the Holon camp and a fight ensued but later calmed. [5] [6] and in the Maariv weekend edition, one of the founders of the protest and hunger strikers, Adam Dovz'insky, revealed much internal strife within the leadership and the rich media leaders were disconnected to the needy people in the tents who had the cost of living issues.
Another set of antagonists are the anarchists who have been very visible over the past couple of months, but not too notable. Eldad remarks from discussions with army officers of the drastic drop in incidents involving anarchists during the summer and the officers anticipating their return to the separation fence clashes [7]. -- Shuki ( talk) 21:08, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
For Rami and others, please read WP:PRIMARY. A primary source may only be used on Wikipedia to make straightforward, descriptive statements that any educated person, with access to the source but without specialist knowledge, will be able to verify are supported by the source The main secondary source is Libeskind's article. I have merely included some of the original primary sources and have not OR my personal analysis. If you feel the last line about multiple initiatives is based on the PS, please discuss rather than merely delete which might be construed as joining the POV push here. Your remark about the Marker ref is valid, the title of the article seems to not convey the info inside properly. About the Libeskind article, it was not just a regular blog post, but rather a regular article in the weekend paper. On the other hand, Yemini's information is only at the bottom of the article since it is disputed, and that was more like an analysis piece that often is included alongside main articles in the print edition, and not a classic op-ed.-- Shuki ( talk) 17:12, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
Am I wrong, or is there nothing at all being reported in mainstream US media about this? -- 75.108.199.245 ( talk) 21:55, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
A journalist said the protest is rooted in far left parties, and [the protest launch] was aimed to create momentum to create a powerful left side party. This is the opinion of one journalist, and should not be enlightened (put in the abstract) like it is. I move it down in media coverage. Yug (talk) 08:56, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
Most protesters led by Daphne Leaf are members of Israel's Communist Leftist. פארוק ( talk) 11:46, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
Given that the protests are ongoing and that the media only refer to them as the "Israeli social justice protests" I propose that we rename the article to "2011-2012 Israeli social justice protests". Poyani ( talk) 13:56, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
While the consequences of these protests are surely being felt now, what the article says about them being "ongoing" is very strange. The actual protests ended ages ago. I think we should write that they ended in October 2011 because that's what the main article essentially says. Any input is welcome. — Ynhockey ( Talk) 14:42, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
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Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 08:29, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
The term "Israeli spring" was used in 2011/2012 by some commentators to refer to the 2011 Israeli social justice protests. It is now being used by some commentators to refer to the 2023 Israeli anti-judicial reform protests. To enable Wikipedia users to get useful results when searching using that term, I've created the disambiguation page Israeli spring. Misha Wolf ( talk) 00:23, 5 March 2023 (UTC)