I am sorry that I have been involved with correcting the IJ digraph in Wikipedia. What I know is that ij is a digraph (two letters making one sound such as Th, Ch, and Sj), but it is unusual among the digraphs as when it is capitalized, it is sometimes regarded as one letter, and it is capitalized as IJ (Yep, that threw me off). Even other digraphs (or any multigraph) which is treated as one letter do not result in double capitals, such as Dz, Lj, Nj, Sz, and Dzs. I believe that the Dutch treats IJ preferentially. I knew a meager amount of Dutch, and had no trouble and disagreement, except for that IJ (I also heard many other Dutch disagree with the IJ). My native language is English, and I am wondering how foreigners feel when they first see an occurrence of a capitalized IJ.
Firstly, I indeed found the name IJsbrand extremely weird, not only being hard to pronounce for foreigners, but making me think "What does the IJ have to do with this name?" I also found any other names "mysteriously" beginning with the IJ as weird, such as IJmuiden and IJsselmeer, (I pronounce IJmuiden as I. J. Muiden) and would correct all these names to Ijmuiden and Ijsselmeer respectively. In a few Dutch learning resources they are all written Ijmuiden and Ijsselmeer.
Secondly, I claimed that the IJ river is an acronym, so I posted "what does IJ stand for." Based on the name, most foreigners would call this river the I. J. river. It turns out that this I. J. is actually a capitalized IJ digraph, but it indeed confused many foreigners.
I had no trouble or opposition regarding other unique Dutch orthographic features, such as the van title, or apostrophes used as word contractions (which can also result in unusual capitalization), such as 't for het, and 'n for een. Interestingly, there is a festival called 't IJ, two unique orthographic features of Dutch, but I indeed oppose the IJ.
I hope I won't bother about "correcting" instances of IJ again, Kleio.
What is your stance on IJ? Do you consider IJ to be two letters or one letter? Do you consider titlecase Ij acceptable in any way, such as Ijsselmeer or Ijsbrand? (Use IJ when you consider it as two letters, and IJ when you consider as one letter.
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Okay. For what reason and origin did the Dutch treat the IJ preferentially, such as treating it as a single letter, and creating double-capitals when it manages to be capitalized? I though it has to do with Y, but IJ seems to be the only controversial aspect of the Dutch orthography.
Again, do you consider Ij acceptable in any way at all? ßlackHeart ( talk) 00:19, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
Noticed you rectified the etymology at מצה and figured you could also finish up the etymologies that are still needed. As far as I can tell, סילאן is from a Judeo-Arabic word spelled the same way that itself came from the Arabic participle "سيلان" which would mean "flowing" - apparently because silan is made from oozing juice out of dates. The second one, עדי, comes from the Aramaic "עִידִיתָא", which also meant "ornament", per A Comprehensive Etymological Dictionary Of The Hebrew Language — Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.24.133.2 ( talk) 22:55, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
Hi, Many thanks again for spotting the error and reverting, That will certainly teach me for skimming through half the changes and assuming everything's okay!, FWIW the bizarre edit still happens when the script's used there so I've raised it with the script owner, Anyway many thanks, – Davey2010 Talk 18:50, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
Hello Mnemosientje, you may be interested in contributing to the list of Germanic heroic figures, people and place names, and named objects that I'm building with Berig in my sandbox User:Ermenrich/sandbox. Since you asked me a long while ago about the legend, I'm also pleased to report that there's a new well-sourced article that Berig and I have made on them, Germanic heroic legend.-- Ermenrich ( talk) 16:46, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
Dear Mnemosientje, I have started an RfC on the article Goths that may be of interest to you, see Talk:Goths#RfC.-- Berig ( talk) 20:57, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
I know you've looked at some of the problems we have on academic biographies. On Srnec's talk page I was recently shown that some of these problems extend to Wikiquote where there is less oversight. See the articles for Walter Goffart (e.g. focuses the reader on the idea that his ideas come from his being born in Belgium, even though he wasn't), and also Guy Halsall and Michael Kulikowski. Of course the equivalent articles here on Wikipedia are in many ways more important, and have similar distortions. I feel I can help very little, also on the Goths article. There is just too little interest among better editors in fixing these problems, and it just makes me look like Don Quijote, even though I know there are a bunch of good editors keeping quiet in the background who hope/expect me to keep working on such things.-- Andrew Lancaster ( talk) 09:33, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
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I am sorry that I have been involved with correcting the IJ digraph in Wikipedia. What I know is that ij is a digraph (two letters making one sound such as Th, Ch, and Sj), but it is unusual among the digraphs as when it is capitalized, it is sometimes regarded as one letter, and it is capitalized as IJ (Yep, that threw me off). Even other digraphs (or any multigraph) which is treated as one letter do not result in double capitals, such as Dz, Lj, Nj, Sz, and Dzs. I believe that the Dutch treats IJ preferentially. I knew a meager amount of Dutch, and had no trouble and disagreement, except for that IJ (I also heard many other Dutch disagree with the IJ). My native language is English, and I am wondering how foreigners feel when they first see an occurrence of a capitalized IJ.
Firstly, I indeed found the name IJsbrand extremely weird, not only being hard to pronounce for foreigners, but making me think "What does the IJ have to do with this name?" I also found any other names "mysteriously" beginning with the IJ as weird, such as IJmuiden and IJsselmeer, (I pronounce IJmuiden as I. J. Muiden) and would correct all these names to Ijmuiden and Ijsselmeer respectively. In a few Dutch learning resources they are all written Ijmuiden and Ijsselmeer.
Secondly, I claimed that the IJ river is an acronym, so I posted "what does IJ stand for." Based on the name, most foreigners would call this river the I. J. river. It turns out that this I. J. is actually a capitalized IJ digraph, but it indeed confused many foreigners.
I had no trouble or opposition regarding other unique Dutch orthographic features, such as the van title, or apostrophes used as word contractions (which can also result in unusual capitalization), such as 't for het, and 'n for een. Interestingly, there is a festival called 't IJ, two unique orthographic features of Dutch, but I indeed oppose the IJ.
I hope I won't bother about "correcting" instances of IJ again, Kleio.
What is your stance on IJ? Do you consider IJ to be two letters or one letter? Do you consider titlecase Ij acceptable in any way, such as Ijsselmeer or Ijsbrand? (Use IJ when you consider it as two letters, and IJ when you consider as one letter.
ßlackHeart (
talk) 00:16, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
Okay. For what reason and origin did the Dutch treat the IJ preferentially, such as treating it as a single letter, and creating double-capitals when it manages to be capitalized? I though it has to do with Y, but IJ seems to be the only controversial aspect of the Dutch orthography.
Again, do you consider Ij acceptable in any way at all? ßlackHeart ( talk) 00:19, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
Noticed you rectified the etymology at מצה and figured you could also finish up the etymologies that are still needed. As far as I can tell, סילאן is from a Judeo-Arabic word spelled the same way that itself came from the Arabic participle "سيلان" which would mean "flowing" - apparently because silan is made from oozing juice out of dates. The second one, עדי, comes from the Aramaic "עִידִיתָא", which also meant "ornament", per A Comprehensive Etymological Dictionary Of The Hebrew Language — Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.24.133.2 ( talk) 22:55, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
Hi, Many thanks again for spotting the error and reverting, That will certainly teach me for skimming through half the changes and assuming everything's okay!, FWIW the bizarre edit still happens when the script's used there so I've raised it with the script owner, Anyway many thanks, – Davey2010 Talk 18:50, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
Hello Mnemosientje, you may be interested in contributing to the list of Germanic heroic figures, people and place names, and named objects that I'm building with Berig in my sandbox User:Ermenrich/sandbox. Since you asked me a long while ago about the legend, I'm also pleased to report that there's a new well-sourced article that Berig and I have made on them, Germanic heroic legend.-- Ermenrich ( talk) 16:46, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
Dear Mnemosientje, I have started an RfC on the article Goths that may be of interest to you, see Talk:Goths#RfC.-- Berig ( talk) 20:57, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
I know you've looked at some of the problems we have on academic biographies. On Srnec's talk page I was recently shown that some of these problems extend to Wikiquote where there is less oversight. See the articles for Walter Goffart (e.g. focuses the reader on the idea that his ideas come from his being born in Belgium, even though he wasn't), and also Guy Halsall and Michael Kulikowski. Of course the equivalent articles here on Wikipedia are in many ways more important, and have similar distortions. I feel I can help very little, also on the Goths article. There is just too little interest among better editors in fixing these problems, and it just makes me look like Don Quijote, even though I know there are a bunch of good editors keeping quiet in the background who hope/expect me to keep working on such things.-- Andrew Lancaster ( talk) 09:33, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
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