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I've removed all of the {{ flag}} icons from the template. While they may be pretty, they really add nothing but clutter in such a tight space. -- auburnpilot talk 15:59, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Removed once more. Talk here first if you think they should be added. |→ Spaully₪ † 16:23, 28 April 2009 ( GMT)
PLEASE, add the flags because it makes the table more attractive to see... I don't find any problem in that as the flags should be quite small as well as the text, or otherwise make 2 columns if the space is what your fighting for... The purpose here is to make an agreement with everybody so everyone may have what they what. --
AMM1995 (
talk) 16:06, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Regarding the new layout, though it might looks more appealing, it doesn't have the rows lined up, and also it prevents blind people to understand the data, thus I must ask you to not revert back to that version. → Aza Toth 00:59, 29 April 2009 (UTC) I would suggest you to restart from the earlier layout, and work from there, the best course of action is for now revert back to the previous version, and work on an version in a sandbox. → Aza Toth 01:10, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
I edited the code so that it looks more like the navbox table, while still using the wikitable formatting. Feel free to clean up my wikicode. Abecedare ( talk) 02:05, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
How do we reconcile the numbers of confirmed cases on this page with this statement from the WHO? The WHO claims that there are only 79 confirmed cases worldwide, about 1/3 of what this template claims. Are we listening to a reactionary media more than we should be? Oren0 ( talk) 17:33, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Although this table's formating is terrible, it actually looks nicer than the current table. It was reverted for formatting and alignment issues. Hopefully we can make the current table look more like this one.
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Ikip ( talk) 02:07, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
I think that is better the left version. -- 87.0.62.180 ( talk) 14:44, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Currently the table is huge.
I propose to collapse the countries which have no confirmed cases yet, something like this, but with better formatting for the collapsed section:
Country | Laboratory confirmed cases | Suspected‡ cases | Deaths: Attributed (confirmed)‡ | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Totals | 271 | 2,595+ | 152 (20) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Mexico | 172 [1] | 1,995 [1] | 152 (20) [4] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
US | 64 [46] | 255+ [note 1] | 0 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Canada | 13 [47] | 19 [note 2] | 0 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
New Zealand | 11 [4] | 43 [4] | 0 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
UK | 2 [5] | 40 [note 3] | 0 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Spain | 2 [6] | 29 [note 4] | 0 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Israel | 2 [7] | 2 [48] | 0 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Costa Rica | 2 [49] | 0 | 0 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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‡ Not all cases have been confirmed as being due to this strain. Possible cases are cases of influenza-like illness (ILI) that have not been confirmed through testing to be due to this strain. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
What does everyone think? Ikip ( talk) 02:37, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
I understand the motivation for collapsing the unconfirmed cases, but note that automatic readers (for the blind) are supposed to have problems with hidden/collapsed text. So it may be better to keep the table as is, for better accessibility. See MOS:SCROLL. Abecedare ( talk) 02:56, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
the table is getting rather unweildy IMO now, over 2/3 of the countries listed have no confirmed cases, did anyone get a good means of doing this worked out? the one here looks OK to me (even w/ repeating headers) but would need to updated with current data Default.XBE ( talk) 17:37, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
I think it is time to collapse. The goal of it is to show how the flu is spreading but we now have confirmed cases in almost every continent and there is new information that both Argentina and Ecuador have possible cases. IMO it is getting really unwieldy. If someone really wants to know the case list of every country they can click on the box. Hdstubbs ( talk) 18:03, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
WHO claims there are only seven deaths worldwide, not 20 or 152. Who do we believe? [3] [4] 130.216.222.197 ( talk) 02:59, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
I think it might be a good idea to reverse the order of confirmed and unconfirmed deaths, that is, putting unconfirmed in parenthesis and confirmed outside of parenthesis. The placement of the bigger numbers first comes off as kind of sensationalist. Just a thought. —/ Mendaliv/ 2¢/ Δ's/ 22:55, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
I think it's not a good idea to have a separate column for probable case as they are still suspected, so could we simply put brackets, or even merge their numbers with the suspected cases if necessary? The width of the template now disrupts the text flow of those major articles. - Xavier Fung ( talk) 12:15, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
The definition of "probable" cases is provided by an official authority on the matter, the CDC, and seem to be followed by reputable media and other country agencies. All of them had suffered preliminary tests. The suspects cases are too broad and poorly scientific based.-- Nutriveg ( talk) 14:45, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
I don't see a problem with dropping the "probable" column from the main chart, but leaving it in the US chart where it has a specific meaning. However, I would point out that it does have *some* purpose in the main chart - for example the 11 "probable" cases in NZ will likely never be officially verified since they are directly connected to the 3 confirmed cases & the authorities feel there is not point testing the connected individuals since they almost certainly have the same strain. -- ThaddeusB ( talk) 16:14, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
So this is the draft for the replacement, and still work in progress to merge the numbers. [5] - Xavier Fung ( talk) 17:39, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Well, the definition of "probable" vs. "suspected" is pretty much clear. A "suspected" case is basically an ILI (influenza-like illness). Those cases will be tested. When the test shows influenza A, but not common influenza strains, it will be declared "probable", otherwise the case will be cleared. Further tests on the "probable" cases try to identify if the current virus A/H1N1 is present, which results in a "confirmed" case. From all media reports I checked so far, this differentiation is followed. On the other hand, if we use the reduced table, we have to discard many cases for Mexico: everywhere it is cited that only 26 cases are confirmed - not 170+. Hilmarwoy 17:50, 29 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.55.95.148 ( talk)
We have two types of deaths - those which are confirmed as being from the virus and those which are only suspected as being form the virus, but not yet confirmed. The question is what should these two types be called?
I have twice changed it to "confirmed\unconfirmed" to avoid any possible ambiguity. The problem with other words (such as "attributed" or "suspected") is that it is not 100% clear whether this means the total # or just the ones that aren't confirmed. (As evidenced by editors making good faith changes in both directions).
However, it has been changed away from "unconfirmed" by others multiple times so I am asking for other opinions as to the best terminology here. Thanks. -- ThaddeusB ( talk) 20:39, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
I changed the header of the suspected cases to "other suspected", so hopefully that will clear things up a bit more. "Lab confirmed"/"Other suspeccted" -> "Confirmed (Suspected)". -- ThaddeusB ( talk) 23:37, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
I have set up automatic archiving to archive any threads with no comments for 48 hours in order to (hopefully) cut down on the clutter. -- ThaddeusB ( talk) 20:44, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
No real agreement was reached on my earlier concerns about New Zealand's numbers and this is still causing problems. Someone else recently pointed out the MOH site (which I for some reason never looked at before) and I notice how they do it is confirmed, probable and suspected [7]. I've now also noticed our table does have probable albeit as a subset of the suspected. Given that probable and confirmed are both WHO terms with appropriate definitions, it would be good IMHO if we could fill out the table with both probable and confirmed numbers and make probable in to it's own heading. This may avoid further confusion Nil Einne ( talk) 10:06, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
The table has this "Last Update: 06:00, whatever" stuff on it, which is useful. However, when the table is included at 2009 swine flu outbreak and 2009 swine flu outbreak by country, it lists the last update of that page, rather than the last update of the table. Can this be fixed? - M.Nelson ( talk) 06:17, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
If a suspected case is proven to be negative do we remove them from the table completely?-- Avala ( talk) 10:29, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
I think so. Otherwise the table is a little misleading. Someone just glancing at it would think there are more relevant cases than there actually are. 62.69.130.82 ( talk) 10:35, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
I'm not quite sure what you mean. Any suspected case that is negative should be removed. However it's not wise to individualy remove cases by subtraction because you read one is negative this is OR and would easily lead to confusion an inaccurate information, wait for updated totals (if the article which says one is negative doesn't have them). If you mean a country with only one suspected case (and no confirmed or probable or deaths) then yes you remove the whole country (provided there aren't more) Nil Einne ( talk) 10:49, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
I've changed the title to "Current cases" to clarify that the figures are a snapshot, not a cumulative total over time. -- Avenue ( talk) 11:25, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
I was thinking about Croatia. There was one suspected case but proved negative.-- Avala ( talk) 12:10, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Country | Cases | Deaths | |
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Laboratory confirmed |
Suspected ‡ (probable [59]) | Confirmed (suspected ‡) | |
Totals | 251 | 3,700+ | 9 (177) |
Mexico | 99 [60] | 2,498 [61] | 8 (176) [62] |
United States | 93 [63] [64] | 654+ [65] | 1 [63] |
New Zealand | 3 [66] | 111(13) [66] [67] | 0 |
Guatemala | 0 | 3 [68] | 0 (1) [69] |
El Salvador | 0 | 3 [70] | 0 |
Number of countries with confirmed or suspected cases = 40.
‡ Suspected cases have not been confirmed as being due to this strain of influenza by laboratory tests, although some other strains may have been ruled out. | |||
Included an excerpt of the current table to show the issues with the current table.
There has been much discussion on the correct layout, number of columns and headers for the columns. I'll list the issues I think there are with the current layout:
It's not clear what would be best. I think the probable cases should be removed as it tries to do too much - we can't tell how many sources follow WHO classification and it looks like we are suggesting all the others are only "suspected" as per WHO when they could actually be probable but not reported as such.
Long term it is likely the layout will need to change completely as figures become clearer and I imagine we will take WHO figures then. Any suggestions? It would be good to get some major editors to decide on a common format and then keep it that way subject to further discussion. |→ Spaully₪ † 11:47, 30 April 2009 ( GMT)
I think a "hospitalized" column would be helpful so the impact/severity of the disease can be seen 65.3.255.31 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 09:36, 1 May 2009 (UTC).
the unique formatting of this page is confusing. It is difficult to find and follow a particular discussion. I went ahead and created:
Template talk:2009 swine flu outbreak table/Region specific discussions
A subpage of this one, for Region specific discussions. Ikip ( talk) 15:18, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Suspected Cases, Probable Cases, and Unconfirmed Deaths are not verifiable information. They are based on hearsay, original research, and unpublished information (even though they might be mentioned in a popular press posting to a website). Only confirmed cases and confirmed deaths should be included in this table. Flipper9 ( talk) 17:38, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
I notice that the main article content table is corrupted and mixed with contents from this outbreak table. -
Xavier Fung (
talk) 19:18, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Now it's back to normal. -
Xavier Fung (
talk) 19:23, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
With apologies, I deleted this newly added column. I don't see it as particularly useful or easy to define and it made the table considerably wider. Let's try to keep this table as compact as possible. Thank you -- ThaddeusB ( talk) 12:56, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Here's an example of why changing the name away from swine flu is not a good idea. Take my source from Hong Kong. It only says influenza A H1N1 confirmed. There are other types of H1N1, but I guess it refers to swine flu? [8] F ( talk) 13:20, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
There are 2 new suspected cases in Russia http://www.interfax.ru/society/news.asp?id=77521 77.52.223.81 ( talk) 14:43, 1 May 2009 (UTC)Minorellen
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8028974.stm (Although the 11th just happened so might take a few min. before it is on a website) -- Simonr9999 ( talk) 15:46, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Oh and there are 642 suspected cases -- Simonr9999 ( talk) 15:50, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
WHO claims there are only seven deaths worldwide, not 20 or 152. Who do we believe? [9] [10] 130.216.222.197 ( talk) 02:59, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Regarding the new layout, though it might looks more appealing, it doesn't have the rows lined up, and also it prevents blind people to understand the data, thus I must ask you to not revert back to that version. → Aza Toth 00:59, 29 April 2009 (UTC) I would suggest you to restart from the earlier layout, and work from there, the best course of action is for now revert back to the previous version, and work on an version in a sandbox. → Aza Toth 01:10, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
I edited the code so that it looks more like the navbox table, while still using the wikitable formatting. Feel free to clean up my wikicode. Abecedare ( talk) 02:05, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
We have two types of deaths - those which are confirmed as being from the virus and those which are only suspected as being form the virus, but not yet confirmed. The question is what should these two types be called?
I have twice changed it to "confirmed\unconfirmed" to avoid any possible ambiguity. The problem with other words (such as "attributed" or "suspected") is that it is not 100% clear whether this means the total # or just the ones that aren't confirmed. (As evidenced by editors making good faith changes in both directions).
However, it has been changed away from "unconfirmed" by others multiple times so I am asking for other opinions as to the best terminology here. Thanks. -- ThaddeusB ( talk) 20:39, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
I changed the header of the suspected cases to "other suspected", so hopefully that will clear things up a bit more. "Lab confirmed"/"Other suspeccted" -> "Confirmed (Suspected)". -- ThaddeusB ( talk) 23:37, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
I think it might be a good idea to reverse the order of confirmed and unconfirmed deaths, that is, putting unconfirmed in parenthesis and confirmed outside of parenthesis. The placement of the bigger numbers first comes off as kind of sensationalist. Just a thought. —/ Mendaliv/ 2¢/ Δ's/ 22:55, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
How do we reconcile the numbers of confirmed cases on this page with this statement from the WHO? The WHO claims that there are only 79 confirmed cases worldwide, about 1/3 of what this template claims. Are we listening to a reactionary media more than we should be? Oren0 ( talk) 17:33, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
I think it's not a good idea to have a separate column for probable case as they are still suspected, so could we simply put brackets, or even merge their numbers with the suspected cases if necessary? The width of the template now disrupts the text flow of those major articles. - Xavier Fung ( talk) 12:15, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
The definition of "probable" cases is provided by an official authority on the matter, the CDC, and seem to be followed by reputable media and other country agencies. All of them had suffered preliminary tests. The suspects cases are too broad and poorly scientific based.-- Nutriveg ( talk) 14:45, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
I don't see a problem with dropping the "probable" column from the main chart, but leaving it in the US chart where it has a specific meaning. However, I would point out that it does have *some* purpose in the main chart - for example the 11 "probable" cases in NZ will likely never be officially verified since they are directly connected to the 3 confirmed cases & the authorities feel there is not point testing the connected individuals since they almost certainly have the same strain. -- ThaddeusB ( talk) 16:14, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
So this is the draft for the replacement, and still work in progress to merge the numbers. [11] - Xavier Fung ( talk) 17:39, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Well, the definition of "probable" vs. "suspected" is pretty much clear. A "suspected" case is basically an ILI (influenza-like illness). Those cases will be tested. When the test shows influenza A, but not common influenza strains, it will be declared "probable", otherwise the case will be cleared. Further tests on the "probable" cases try to identify if the current virus A/H1N1 is present, which results in a "confirmed" case. From all media reports I checked so far, this differentiation is followed. On the other hand, if we use the reduced table, we have to discard many cases for Mexico: everywhere it is cited that only 26 cases are confirmed - not 170+. Hilmarwoy 17:50, 29 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.55.95.148 ( talk)
Although this table's formating is terrible, it actually looks nicer than the current table. It was reverted for formatting and alignment issues. Hopefully we can make the current table look more like this one.
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Ikip ( talk) 02:07, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
I think that is better the left version. -- 87.0.62.180 ( talk) 14:44, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
I have set up automatic archiving to archive any threads with no comments for 48 hours in order to (hopefully) cut down on the clutter. -- ThaddeusB ( talk) 20:44, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
the unique formatting of this page is confusing. It is difficult to find and follow a particular discussion. I went ahead and created:
Template talk:2009 swine flu outbreak table/Region specific discussions
A subpage of this one, for Region specific discussions. Ikip ( talk) 15:18, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
3 laboratory confirmed cases in France, http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89pid%C3%A9mie_de_grippe_porcine_H1N1_de_2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by AMM1995 ( talk • contribs)
32 Suspected cases in France
http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/2009/04/29/01011-20090429FILWWW00475-grippe-porcine-france-32-cas-suspects.php
Dccdz (
talk) 14:55, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
5 probable 41 Suspected cases http://tf1.lci.fr/infos/sciences/sante/0,,4399729,00-5-cas-probables-en-france-reunion-a-matignon-ce-soir-.html Dccdz ( talk) 14:06, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
19 (not 17) non-confirmed cases in Spain: http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2009/04/27/espana/1240825949.html Reescribidor ( talk) 11:23, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Second confirmed case in Spain: http://www.publico.es/espana/222002/sanidad/confirma/segundo/caso/gripe/porcina/espana (in spanish) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.9.61.158 ( talk) 09:53, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
There is a mistaked data in the template: now, in Spain, are 25 possible/no-confirmed, not 35: [16]. Amadís ( talk) 22:51, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
2 Cases confirmed in Spain, 26 possible cases: http://ecodiario.eleconomista.es/espana/noticias/1200758/04/09/Espana-vigila-a-26-poisbles-infectados-por-la-gripe-porcina.html 10:34, 28 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.56.15.120 ( talk)
In Valencia, Spain, a 2nd case has been confirmed by the Health Ministry. http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2009/04/28/espana/1240911361.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.169.86.68 ( talk) 09:58, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Upwards of 50 - FALSE
EDIT: 111 cases (pause video at the very start)
Source: http://www.3news.co.nz/Video/Nightline/tabid/368/articleID/101436/cat/41/Default.aspx#video
why is it 11 confirmed? the reference is 3 out of 11, not 11
GTNz (
talk) 14:10, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Because 11 are judged to "have swine flu" as being part of the group who was confirmed. See
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Jestr (
talk) 01:42, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
6 deaths in the USA
Unconfirmed case in Scotland
Source: http://www.3news.co.nz/Video/Nightline/tabid/368/articleID/101436/cat/41/Default.aspx#video
Therkster ( talk) 14:49, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
In the table it says 18 laboratory confirmed cases, when its really 22. Chack it in the Frech version if you dare... —Preceding unsigned comment added by AMM1995 ( talk • contribs) 15:42, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Only one possibly attributed death in the US, not two.
Source:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,518196,00.html
Nintendo 07 (
talk) 21:26, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Laboratory confirmed cases in Mexico are about 22, check it in the french version... —Preceding unsigned comment added by AMM1995 ( talk • contribs) 15:45, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
still 3 suspects in Prague (men returned from Mexico).
http://aktualne.centrum.cz/domaci/zivot-v-cesku/clanek.phtml?id=635843
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http://www.ct24.cz/domaci/53084-zadny-z-vysetrenych-nema-priznaky-praseci-chripky/ - also predictions (final results not yet known)
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Acidbird (
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contribs) 17:39, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
0 cases for now - those 3 not confirmed - http://www.ct24.cz/domaci/53084-testy-na-praseci-chripku-jsou-u-vsech-tri-cestovatelu-negativni/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Acidbird ( talk • contribs) 16:39, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Just thought I would bring it to the attention of fellow editors that the Czech Republic in the table has 0 everything. Is there a reason why its there? Last I heard there were 3 cases so if someone is willing to update it? Lachy123 ( talk) 09:38, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
0 cases for now
Please update the numbers on Germany. The 3 cases mentioned in the initial source are confirmed negative influenza A - so it's not swine flu. Source: http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/mensch/0,1518,621426,00.html. (Headline says All-clear for suspicious swine flu cases). -- hilmarwoy 21:15, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
In Bielefeld wurden die ersten Verdachtsfälle von Schweinegrippe in Deutschland gemeldet. Bei zwei Personen, die mit grippeähnlichen Symptomen ins Krankenhaus kamen, gaben die Mediziner bereits Entwarnung. Verwirrung herrschte über einen weiteren angeblichen Verdachtsfall. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AMM1995 ( talk • contribs) 22:56, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
One is still unclear, the other one came out negative after a "Schnelltest" (rapid test). Thorough testing still needs to be done however. http://www.sueddeutsche.de/wissen/47/466627/text/ — 85.179.140.94 ( talk) 13:06, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
First verified case of swine flu near Regensburg "Bayern bestätigt ersten Fall von Schweinegrippe in Deutschland" http://rhein-zeitung.de/on/09/04/29/ticker/t/rzo563149.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.246.20.65 ( talk) 06:35, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Two women traveling from Mexico to Portugal on 27th April 2009 have flu-like symptoms. Reference: http://ultimahora.publico.clix.pt/noticia.aspx?id=1377186&idCanal=62
The above article also mentions that these two women have not been tested for the strain, and have been told, during a visit to the hospital, to stay home for 10 days.
"Ainda de acordo com o mesmo jornal, as portuguesas estiveram de férias em Puebla, a 190 quilómetros da Cidade do México e, no voo de regresso, fizeram escala nos Estados Unidos. Quando chegaram a Portugal, perante alguns sintomas de gripe e diarreia, telefonaram para a Linha Saúde 24 que as reencaminhou para o hospital, onde terão ido duas vezes mas sem serem submetidas a exames médicos específicos. Foi-lhe apenas dito para aguardarem dez dias em casa."
Sahbapasta ( talk) 13:41, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Tests conducted on the two sickly individuals have now confirmed they suffer from regular flu, as opposed to Swine Flu. Please correct the table, as I cannot (no account). Link (In Portuguese): http://jn.sapo.pt/PaginaInicial/Sociedade/Interior.aspx?content_id=1214806 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.84.189.3 ( talk) 20:28, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
suspect cases in israel go up to three. ATIAS ( talk) 15:27, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Israel has 2 confirmed cases. Why was that taken off? source: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/04/27/us/20090427-flu-update-graphic.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.3.255.31 ( talk) 11:45, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Further evidence of 2 confirmed cases in Israel: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/health/swineflu/map.html
JPost says 6 cases. 192.118.11.112 ( talk) 10:16, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Please, update the map. In this moment there are not suspects of swine flu in Peru, and the suspect peruvian woman came from Cancun, Mexico was not swine flu.
Read Reuters article from 1 hour ago (Spanish): [20] -- EdwinJs ( talk) 16:56, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
It is not influenza. http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=280496&cid=1
Test is negative —Preceding unsigned comment added by Minorellen ( talk • contribs) 17:23, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
The first case of Swine Flu in Costa Rica has been confirmed on a 21 year old girl that visited Mexico (source in spanish): http://www.nacion.com/ln_ee/2009/abril/28/pais1948013.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sabro113 ( talk • contribs) 17:31, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
According to a healthcare official there are 9 suspects in the cantons of Aargau, Berne, Geneve, Zurich, Basel-City and Vaud. 8 are considered to be mild while one patient has pneumonia probably caused by bacterial infection.
Swiss television reports: [21]
I ask for apporopriate changes of the template, the map and the article about national responses. -- Constantine of Kostenets ( talk) 17:57, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
I originally just zeroed out the cases, but decided based on prior removals to pull Ireland out of the table. Here's the cite. Irish swine flu results all clear aremisasling ( talk) 18:06, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Not yet confirmed. [23] Should we wait for the test results before adding these to the table? -- Pontificalibus ( talk) 18:18, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
California declares state of emergency in the wake of this. rootology ( C)( T) 19:22, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
According to the "2009 Swine Flu Outbreak in US" article, there are 70 proven cases and 200+ possible cases in US whereas the table in this article shows 68 and 300+ respectively. Which number is correct I cannot tell, but the other table should be updated.
The same thing also goes for Spain (2 proven, 40 possible in the main article, 3 proven, 32 possible in this article).
Sincerely, 18:31, 28 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.233.100.240 ( talk)
Russia is missing from the table, I don't know why, just check it.-- AMM1995 ( talk) 20:40, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
This article... [25]
... seems to supercede the article [26] cited for Brazil, which was put back in after I removed it earlier. There are other references on the talk page of the main article. I'm going to remove Brazil unless a better source can be found. Wine Guy Talk 02:25, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
1 confrimed case. Source: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/5min/story/1022790.html "In Brazil, a 40-year-old man was hospitalized with swine flu Tuesday in the northern coastal city of Salvador, the Brazilian government news agency reported. The man had just returned from Miami."
New 3 possible cases, all in Belo Horizonte city. Two are a couple who returned from Mexico and the third is a man who returned from the United States.
References (all in portuguese):
G1 Portal:
http://g1.globo.com/Noticias/Brasil/0,,MUL1099897-5598,00.html
G1 Portal:
http://g1.globo.com/Noticias/Brasil/0,,MUL1100227-5598,00-BELO+HORIZONTE+REGISTRA+MAIS+UM+SUSPEITO+DE+GRIPE+SUINA.html (third suspect case)
Folha Online:
http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/folha/cotidiano/ult95u556873.shtml
Folha Online:
http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/folha/cotidiano/ult95u556955.shtml (third suspect case)
We should add Brazil to the list. —Preceding
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3 possible cases, all in Belo Horizonte city. Yesterday, was 2 cases in São Paulo but they wasn't swine flu. In this 3 new cases, two people are a couple who returned from Mexico and the third is a man who returned from the United States.
References (all in portuguese):
G1 Portal:
http://g1.globo.com/Noticias/Brasil/0,,MUL1099897-5598,00.html
G1 Portal:
http://g1.globo.com/Noticias/Brasil/0,,MUL1100227-5598,00-BELO+HORIZONTE+REGISTRA+MAIS+UM+SUSPEITO+DE+GRIPE+SUINA.html (third suspect case)
Folha Online:
http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/folha/cotidiano/ult95u556873.shtml
Folha Online:
http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/folha/cotidiano/ult95u556955.shtml (third suspect case)
Please add Brazil to the table of suspect cases. —Preceding
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How do I do to add Brazil in the cases by country? There are already 11 suspect cases in Brazil, however, here speaks that to publish is blockaded...
How do I do to add Brazil in the cases by country? There are already 11 suspect cases in Brazil, however, here speaks that to publish is blockaded... Rodfanaia ( talk) 00:45, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Source: http://g1.globo.com/Noticias/Brasil/0,,MUL1100490-5598,00.html -- Rodfanaia ( talk) 00:56, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
+1 Source: http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/folha/cotidiano/ult95u557093.shtml -- Rodfanaia ( talk) 01:40, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
SAO PAULO - Twelve persons are interned in hospitals of the country and are monitored because of having arrived of travels to the outside with symptoms of swine flu, according to the Brazilian authorities. Schemes of emergence are being mounted in the states to designate hospitals of reference and to maintain the patients with suspect of swine flu isolated.
In Salvador, a 40-year-old, derived man of the United States, submitted in the hospital Otávio Mangabeira with fever, cough and pain of throat.
Too many cases are being accompanied in Minas Gerais (three), Rio de Janeiro (two), Amazon (two), Rio Grande do Norte (two), Sao Paulo (one) and Pará (one). One of the suspect cases of the Rio de Janeiro belongs of a woman interned in isolation in the hospital Top D'Or.
-- UPDATED --
[ UPDATED: Three persons of the same family were directed this Tuesday to a hospital in the Rio after Tom Jobim disembarked in the airport with symptoms like vomiting and diarrhea. Due to the fear of an advancement of the swine flu, the three were directed to the hospital Evandro Chagas, of the Fiocruz. ]
In the total they are 16 suspect persons of swine flu in Brazil.
http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/folha/cotidiano/ult95u557354.shtml
The Ministry of Health informed in this Tuesday (28) that there are 20 cases of persons with suspect of contamination for the Swine flu in Brazil. The cases were registered in eight states of the country.
The Paraná is the state with more suspect cases (4), followed of Minas Gerais, Amazon and Santa Catarina (3), Bahia, Rio de Janeiro and Rio Grande do Norte (2 each) and Pará (1). According to the ministry, all the cases are being monitored.
-- Rodfanaia ( talk) 20:47, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Can anybody increase the number of suspect cases in Brazil in the Cases by country?
-- Rodfanaia ( talk) 21:01, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
By Health Minister: [27] other 36 people are been "monitored" but this is different from suspicious status, differentiated by Minister. -- 201.78.51.25 ( talk) 20:18, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Costa Rica has infected people too (1 woman) [28] [29]. ~~ ×α£ đ~~ es 21:18, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
ive noticed this got changed from 152 to 126 and back a few time recently, are we assuming 152 refers to the total deaths both confirmed and attributed (126+26) or is 152 attributed only (meaning total is 152+26) this should be cleared up so it doesnt keep getting changed and reverted Default.XBE ( talk) 21:23, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Do we have a consensus way to deal with New Zealand (and similar cases)? As it stands now (and has for a while), 3 have been explicility confirmed via laboratory test. One more is undergoing further testing. However as several cases are strongly related (occured among a group of students all of who had visited Mexico together and came down with similar symptoms due to some type of influenza A) this is considered sufficient to confirm that all 11 have swine flu according to health sources (and mentioned in every source I've read). Only these four samples were sent for testing and it's unclear if any of the other 7 are going to be tested (one source seemed to imply it but it was a non NZ source and may have been mistaken) but it seems from the sources that if they will, it's not going to happen any time soon (which makes sense there's no point testing something you are 99.9% certain of when you have a lot of other cases to test). If it hasn't already, this is likely to happens in other cases/countries too I expect. So the question is how should we handle this in the article? At the moment, it simply says 11 with no explaination. Earlier it said 3 again with no explaination. Before that it said 3 (11) with the explaination that it was 11 predicted, 3 confirmed. All these have been with the same sources/information and I notice above there is a comment from someone confused by the sources so I expect there could easily be more chopping and changing if we don't agree what's the best way to handle it. Personally I feel the 11 should be in there somewhere so either the current system or the earliest system. Nil Einne ( talk) 21:36, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Is the New York Times reliable enough to call it 14 confirmed? "New Zealand officials said on Wednesday that 14 cases had been confirmed there." http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/30/health/30flu.html?_r=1&hp 65.3.255.31 ( talk) 13:17, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
It looks like this figure has been repeatedly switched. The problem is: does attributed deaths = total deaths (confirmed + suspected, hence 26 + 126) or only suspected deaths (126)? Better to have a consensus.
And if it means only suspected deaths, do we need a column for "total" deaths (to avoid confusion)? Roy2005 ( talk) 21:49, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
OK, the term "total attributed" seems to do the trick. Thanks. Roy2005 ( talk) 21:54, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
As yet the sources for this suggest the deaths are not attributed to the flu but other diseases. They are investigating any links to the flu. I think it is incorrect and too soon to add them to the table, especially given this is a big issue. As such I have removed it twice. I will not do so again as it verges on warring, but please discuss it here. |→ Spaully₪ † 22:11, 28 April 2009 ( GMT)
Please add Russia to the list, for one confirmed infection and no unconfirmed or deaths. 68.40.189.45 ( talk) 23:16, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/swine-flu/5235900/Swine-flu-New-Zealand-confirms-11-cases.html 130.217.188.28 ( talk) 00:50, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Why does New Zealand have two columns? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.152.107.206 ( talk) 01:05, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
14 cases confirmed in New Zealnd http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/30/health/30flu.html?_r=1&hp "New Zealand officials said on Wednesday that 14 cases had been confirmed there." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.3.255.31 ( talk) 13:15, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
I have another source to back the 14 confirmed cases up. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/apr/26/swine-flu-outbreak-timeline —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.208.189.101 ( talk) 18:42, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
there are conflicting reports, the source cited for the current number (4) http://www.nzherald.co.nz/swine-flu/news/article.cfm?c_id=1502821&objectid=10569245 says 4 have been confirmed with swine flu and another 10 are expected to return positive results, lets leave it at 4 until we know those results...of ocurse with the other numbers in that source it would bring the suspected up to 220 for NZ Default.XBE ( talk) 18:59, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Can someone please put the total number at the top, instead of at the bottom?
Everyone is interested in the total number, but the current format makes people scroll down to the bottom of the graph.
I will play with this, but I don't know if I can fix this. Ikip ( talk) 01:12, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Argentina has 12 cases like Colombia, but the A is before the C. Can anyone put Argentina above Colombia?... I don't know how to do this -- Maru-Spanish ( talk) 01:47, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Can someone please see that this gets into the table? http://www.panama-guide.com/article.php/20090428100904563 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.115.155.34 ( talk) 03:42, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Two hours ago a Copa Airlines flight from Mexico to Buenos Aires made an emergency land in Lima, because an argentinian woman that was on board presented the symtomps. She is currently in observation, while the rest of the passengers continued to Buenos Aires. [33] [34] 201.230.3.23 ( talk) 04:23, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
While there has been no known cases of human swine flu in Singapore, 17 cases have been referred for further medical assessment. 16 have been referred to the Communicable Disease Centre (CDC) and one case was seen at Singapore General Hospital (SGH).
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/425580/1/.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sgreporter ( talk • contribs) 05:50, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Apologies for previous comments...
Reply to Xavier Fung:
There are 17 cases in total (until 28 April 2009)
one case was seen at SGH. Three cases referred to the CDC (including the two referred yesterday) have all tested negative
17 - 1 - 3 = 13 Suspected Cases...(until 28 April 2009)
http://www.moh.gov.sg/mohcorp/pressreleases.aspx
Today one of the four "maybe-infections" was confirmed as an H1N1 infection: derStandard.at, german. The other three are negatives.
So the current row for Austria should look like: "1 0 0" Daniel at 84 ( talk) 07:47, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
The reference for 2 probable cases in Slovakia does not really support the probable claim - per the article, of the 2 cases, one has so far tested negative for any influenza virus, and the second does not even have any symptoms - they should at best be moved to "suspected" instead of "probable" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.80.31.117 ( talk) 14:35, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Has just raised the suspects' number of the pig flu in Brazil. of 20 it was for 27.
SAO PAULO - 27 Are the persons monitored in nine states of the country and in the Federal area with suspect of having contracted the virus of the swine flu.
Can anybody publish and put the number of suspect cases for 27? thxx!!
-- Rodfanaia ( talk) 13:24, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=nw20090429144821696C561369 -- Simonr9999 ( talk) 13:24, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
The two suspected cases in Iceland turned out to be false alarms. The individuals in question do not have the swine flu. The source is here: http://visir.is/article/20090429/FRETTIR01/727631714 -- Cessator ( talk) 15:03, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
22-year old Croatian girl is held in isolation after she returned from Florida with symptoms...
http://www.index.hr/vijesti/clanak/svinjska-gripa-i-u-hrvatskoj/431720.aspx
E.coli (
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hi singapore does not have 13 suspected cases, all 17 who had flu-like symptoms have tested negative for swine flu. http://www.crisis.gov.sg/flu/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joshuattc ( talk • contribs) 16:50, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
According to El Diario de Hoy, one of the most read newspapers in El Salvador, there are now 3 suspected cases of swine flu in El Salvador. The laboratory confirmations will arrive on the weekend. http://www.elsalvador.com/mwedh/nota/nota_completa.asp?idCat=6364&idArt=3586764
asaber2 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Asaber2 ( talk • contribs) 17:43, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Argentina http://twitter.com/Veratect/statuses/1650847309 Ecuador http://twitter.com/Veratect/statuses/1650748161 Both have one possible case. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hdstubbs ( talk • contribs) 17:57, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Twitter is not that reliable but Veratect, the company that issued the twitter is really reliable. They use sources from media outlets and health organization in 37 different languages to deliver updates in real time. I would link to Veratect but they don't post their twitter updates on their website. Here is the link that tells about their twitter updates. http://biosurveillance.typepad.com/biosurveillance/2009/04/first-use-of-twitter-during-a-public-health-emergency.html 62.69.130.82 ( talk) 07:57, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/30/health/30flu.html?ref=health . Don't know if we should do anything about it. Daniel.Cardenas ( talk) 16:56, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
ECDC (European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control [35]) publish a daily report on their homepage (e.g. [36]) with a useful table showing "Cases Investigated", "Lab Positive", "Lab Negaitve", "Cases Still under Investigation". -- Pontificalibus ( talk) 19:31, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Two people in Trondheim just got negative test reusults while two others are being tested. [37] (Norwegian)
Two others have been tested with negative outcome. [38] (Norwegian)
There is also one boy in Vestfold, but he is recovering, and the tests haven't given any positive results. [39] (Norwegian)
This means the the number of uncertain cases is down to 5+. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aleco ( talk • contribs) 20:06, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
The ECDC report from 08:00 [40] says that Russia and Greece each have a suspected case. Meanwhile, Belgium has found all six cases not to be swine flu. Since this report is probably already a little out of date and these are only single suspected cases it might not be worth updating for this one, but the next report should be available soon. Mike Serfas ( talk) 21:54, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
A 75 year old woman died at a hospital in Guatemala with symptoms of flu, and high fever. The victim was identified as Jacinta García Ambrosio, and indicated that when she arrived at the hospital had very high fever.
Source:
http://prensalibre.com/pl/2009/abril/28/310967.html
(Translated version)
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fprensalibre.com%2Fpl%2F2009%2Fabril%2F28%2F310967.html+&sl=es&tl=en&history_state0= —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fanaroth ( talk • contribs) 21:32, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Exist a girl in an Oporto Hospital (São João), that is waiting for her exams, and I've discovered a notice that says that is a portuguese military in a Lisbon Hospital (Curry Cabral). He had came back from Texas, in the beginig of this week, and today has surged the information that he is in the hospital, waiting for the first exams, that if are "confusing" they go to the Instituto Ricardo Jorge, to be made more exams, you can read the notice here João P. M. Lima ( talk) 17:43, 29 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by PigFlu Oink ( talk • contribs)
Pleast add Egypt to the table http://twitter.com/Veratect/status/1655230473 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.69.130.82 ( talk) 04:52, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Can someone add Fiji to the map as supected case?... and to the table?... I don't know how to do it. SOURCE http://www.fijitimes.com/story.aspx?id=120407 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.254.95.170 ( talk) 05:53, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
New Zealand's confirmed cases should be 16 with 104 suspected. http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/suspected-swine-flu-cases-rise-104-2691146 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.69.130.82 ( talk) 06:07, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
It says, "There are now three new confirmed or probable cases of swine flu in New Zealand, taking the country's official total to 16.
All have tested positive for influenza A." I think you misread the source. Thanks! :) 62.69.130.82 ( talk) 10:44, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Can we change Peru's numbers to five suspected. http://twitter.com/Veratect/status/1656599594 62.69.130.82 ( talk) 06:12, 30 April 2009 (UTC
A suspected case has been reported in Arad county, Romania. An 18-month old boy who had traveled to Portugal and Spain presented swine flu symptoms and blood tests have been ordered, according to Mihai Tarcus, director of the Public Health Department of Arad County. http://www.hotnews.ro/stiri-ultima_ora-5651541-copil-din-arad-intors-recent-din-spania-portugalia-este-suspect-gripa-porcina.htm (Romanian). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aurelian ( talk • contribs) 11:22, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
An update to this article states that this is not a case of swine flu. Romania has no other confirmed or suspected swine flu case. It should be removed from the list. (In Romania the press would open up champagne to have at least such a case - this is my personal comment) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.76.65.112 ( talk) 12:01, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Suspected case reported today,a traveller from US is showing flu-like symptoms http://b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2009&mm=04&dd=30&nav_id=358154 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.116.153.5 ( talk) 11:48, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
The case is not swine influenza http://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2009&mm=04&dd=30&nav_id=358154 (in Serbian) Dejan Jovanović ( talk) 13:34, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Local media reports that the Croatian possible case of swine flu is not infected with any virus at all http://b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2009&mm=04&dd=30&nav_category=12&nav_id=358078 First paragraph underneath the bolded text —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.116.153.5 ( talk) 08:37, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
In short: Ira Dzenero-Margan chief of service for epidemology of infectios disease said to HRT (croatian national television): Tests have shown that 22 year old Croatian from Osijek, which was suspected of being infected with swine flu virus H1N1, doesn't have any flu, especially swine flu.
Other part, of the article talks about swine flu in general. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.143.70.178 ( talk) 11:39, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
3 year old girl had a confirmed swine flu —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.224.231.55 ( talk) 11:42, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
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I've removed all of the {{ flag}} icons from the template. While they may be pretty, they really add nothing but clutter in such a tight space. -- auburnpilot talk 15:59, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Removed once more. Talk here first if you think they should be added. |→ Spaully₪ † 16:23, 28 April 2009 ( GMT)
PLEASE, add the flags because it makes the table more attractive to see... I don't find any problem in that as the flags should be quite small as well as the text, or otherwise make 2 columns if the space is what your fighting for... The purpose here is to make an agreement with everybody so everyone may have what they what. --
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Regarding the new layout, though it might looks more appealing, it doesn't have the rows lined up, and also it prevents blind people to understand the data, thus I must ask you to not revert back to that version. → Aza Toth 00:59, 29 April 2009 (UTC) I would suggest you to restart from the earlier layout, and work from there, the best course of action is for now revert back to the previous version, and work on an version in a sandbox. → Aza Toth 01:10, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
I edited the code so that it looks more like the navbox table, while still using the wikitable formatting. Feel free to clean up my wikicode. Abecedare ( talk) 02:05, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
How do we reconcile the numbers of confirmed cases on this page with this statement from the WHO? The WHO claims that there are only 79 confirmed cases worldwide, about 1/3 of what this template claims. Are we listening to a reactionary media more than we should be? Oren0 ( talk) 17:33, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Although this table's formating is terrible, it actually looks nicer than the current table. It was reverted for formatting and alignment issues. Hopefully we can make the current table look more like this one.
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Ikip ( talk) 02:07, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
I think that is better the left version. -- 87.0.62.180 ( talk) 14:44, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Currently the table is huge.
I propose to collapse the countries which have no confirmed cases yet, something like this, but with better formatting for the collapsed section:
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Mexico | 172 [1] | 1,995 [1] | 152 (20) [4] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Canada | 13 [47] | 19 [note 2] | 0 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
New Zealand | 11 [4] | 43 [4] | 0 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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What does everyone think? Ikip ( talk) 02:37, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
I understand the motivation for collapsing the unconfirmed cases, but note that automatic readers (for the blind) are supposed to have problems with hidden/collapsed text. So it may be better to keep the table as is, for better accessibility. See MOS:SCROLL. Abecedare ( talk) 02:56, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
the table is getting rather unweildy IMO now, over 2/3 of the countries listed have no confirmed cases, did anyone get a good means of doing this worked out? the one here looks OK to me (even w/ repeating headers) but would need to updated with current data Default.XBE ( talk) 17:37, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
I think it is time to collapse. The goal of it is to show how the flu is spreading but we now have confirmed cases in almost every continent and there is new information that both Argentina and Ecuador have possible cases. IMO it is getting really unwieldy. If someone really wants to know the case list of every country they can click on the box. Hdstubbs ( talk) 18:03, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
WHO claims there are only seven deaths worldwide, not 20 or 152. Who do we believe? [3] [4] 130.216.222.197 ( talk) 02:59, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
I think it might be a good idea to reverse the order of confirmed and unconfirmed deaths, that is, putting unconfirmed in parenthesis and confirmed outside of parenthesis. The placement of the bigger numbers first comes off as kind of sensationalist. Just a thought. —/ Mendaliv/ 2¢/ Δ's/ 22:55, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
I think it's not a good idea to have a separate column for probable case as they are still suspected, so could we simply put brackets, or even merge their numbers with the suspected cases if necessary? The width of the template now disrupts the text flow of those major articles. - Xavier Fung ( talk) 12:15, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
The definition of "probable" cases is provided by an official authority on the matter, the CDC, and seem to be followed by reputable media and other country agencies. All of them had suffered preliminary tests. The suspects cases are too broad and poorly scientific based.-- Nutriveg ( talk) 14:45, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
I don't see a problem with dropping the "probable" column from the main chart, but leaving it in the US chart where it has a specific meaning. However, I would point out that it does have *some* purpose in the main chart - for example the 11 "probable" cases in NZ will likely never be officially verified since they are directly connected to the 3 confirmed cases & the authorities feel there is not point testing the connected individuals since they almost certainly have the same strain. -- ThaddeusB ( talk) 16:14, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
So this is the draft for the replacement, and still work in progress to merge the numbers. [5] - Xavier Fung ( talk) 17:39, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Well, the definition of "probable" vs. "suspected" is pretty much clear. A "suspected" case is basically an ILI (influenza-like illness). Those cases will be tested. When the test shows influenza A, but not common influenza strains, it will be declared "probable", otherwise the case will be cleared. Further tests on the "probable" cases try to identify if the current virus A/H1N1 is present, which results in a "confirmed" case. From all media reports I checked so far, this differentiation is followed. On the other hand, if we use the reduced table, we have to discard many cases for Mexico: everywhere it is cited that only 26 cases are confirmed - not 170+. Hilmarwoy 17:50, 29 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.55.95.148 ( talk)
We have two types of deaths - those which are confirmed as being from the virus and those which are only suspected as being form the virus, but not yet confirmed. The question is what should these two types be called?
I have twice changed it to "confirmed\unconfirmed" to avoid any possible ambiguity. The problem with other words (such as "attributed" or "suspected") is that it is not 100% clear whether this means the total # or just the ones that aren't confirmed. (As evidenced by editors making good faith changes in both directions).
However, it has been changed away from "unconfirmed" by others multiple times so I am asking for other opinions as to the best terminology here. Thanks. -- ThaddeusB ( talk) 20:39, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
I changed the header of the suspected cases to "other suspected", so hopefully that will clear things up a bit more. "Lab confirmed"/"Other suspeccted" -> "Confirmed (Suspected)". -- ThaddeusB ( talk) 23:37, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
I have set up automatic archiving to archive any threads with no comments for 48 hours in order to (hopefully) cut down on the clutter. -- ThaddeusB ( talk) 20:44, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
No real agreement was reached on my earlier concerns about New Zealand's numbers and this is still causing problems. Someone else recently pointed out the MOH site (which I for some reason never looked at before) and I notice how they do it is confirmed, probable and suspected [7]. I've now also noticed our table does have probable albeit as a subset of the suspected. Given that probable and confirmed are both WHO terms with appropriate definitions, it would be good IMHO if we could fill out the table with both probable and confirmed numbers and make probable in to it's own heading. This may avoid further confusion Nil Einne ( talk) 10:06, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
The table has this "Last Update: 06:00, whatever" stuff on it, which is useful. However, when the table is included at 2009 swine flu outbreak and 2009 swine flu outbreak by country, it lists the last update of that page, rather than the last update of the table. Can this be fixed? - M.Nelson ( talk) 06:17, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
If a suspected case is proven to be negative do we remove them from the table completely?-- Avala ( talk) 10:29, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
I think so. Otherwise the table is a little misleading. Someone just glancing at it would think there are more relevant cases than there actually are. 62.69.130.82 ( talk) 10:35, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
I'm not quite sure what you mean. Any suspected case that is negative should be removed. However it's not wise to individualy remove cases by subtraction because you read one is negative this is OR and would easily lead to confusion an inaccurate information, wait for updated totals (if the article which says one is negative doesn't have them). If you mean a country with only one suspected case (and no confirmed or probable or deaths) then yes you remove the whole country (provided there aren't more) Nil Einne ( talk) 10:49, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
I've changed the title to "Current cases" to clarify that the figures are a snapshot, not a cumulative total over time. -- Avenue ( talk) 11:25, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
I was thinking about Croatia. There was one suspected case but proved negative.-- Avala ( talk) 12:10, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Country | Cases | Deaths | |
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Laboratory confirmed |
Suspected ‡ (probable [59]) | Confirmed (suspected ‡) | |
Totals | 251 | 3,700+ | 9 (177) |
Mexico | 99 [60] | 2,498 [61] | 8 (176) [62] |
United States | 93 [63] [64] | 654+ [65] | 1 [63] |
New Zealand | 3 [66] | 111(13) [66] [67] | 0 |
Guatemala | 0 | 3 [68] | 0 (1) [69] |
El Salvador | 0 | 3 [70] | 0 |
Number of countries with confirmed or suspected cases = 40.
‡ Suspected cases have not been confirmed as being due to this strain of influenza by laboratory tests, although some other strains may have been ruled out. | |||
Included an excerpt of the current table to show the issues with the current table.
There has been much discussion on the correct layout, number of columns and headers for the columns. I'll list the issues I think there are with the current layout:
It's not clear what would be best. I think the probable cases should be removed as it tries to do too much - we can't tell how many sources follow WHO classification and it looks like we are suggesting all the others are only "suspected" as per WHO when they could actually be probable but not reported as such.
Long term it is likely the layout will need to change completely as figures become clearer and I imagine we will take WHO figures then. Any suggestions? It would be good to get some major editors to decide on a common format and then keep it that way subject to further discussion. |→ Spaully₪ † 11:47, 30 April 2009 ( GMT)
I think a "hospitalized" column would be helpful so the impact/severity of the disease can be seen 65.3.255.31 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 09:36, 1 May 2009 (UTC).
the unique formatting of this page is confusing. It is difficult to find and follow a particular discussion. I went ahead and created:
Template talk:2009 swine flu outbreak table/Region specific discussions
A subpage of this one, for Region specific discussions. Ikip ( talk) 15:18, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Suspected Cases, Probable Cases, and Unconfirmed Deaths are not verifiable information. They are based on hearsay, original research, and unpublished information (even though they might be mentioned in a popular press posting to a website). Only confirmed cases and confirmed deaths should be included in this table. Flipper9 ( talk) 17:38, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
I notice that the main article content table is corrupted and mixed with contents from this outbreak table. -
Xavier Fung (
talk) 19:18, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Now it's back to normal. -
Xavier Fung (
talk) 19:23, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
With apologies, I deleted this newly added column. I don't see it as particularly useful or easy to define and it made the table considerably wider. Let's try to keep this table as compact as possible. Thank you -- ThaddeusB ( talk) 12:56, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Here's an example of why changing the name away from swine flu is not a good idea. Take my source from Hong Kong. It only says influenza A H1N1 confirmed. There are other types of H1N1, but I guess it refers to swine flu? [8] F ( talk) 13:20, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
There are 2 new suspected cases in Russia http://www.interfax.ru/society/news.asp?id=77521 77.52.223.81 ( talk) 14:43, 1 May 2009 (UTC)Minorellen
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8028974.stm (Although the 11th just happened so might take a few min. before it is on a website) -- Simonr9999 ( talk) 15:46, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Oh and there are 642 suspected cases -- Simonr9999 ( talk) 15:50, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
WHO claims there are only seven deaths worldwide, not 20 or 152. Who do we believe? [9] [10] 130.216.222.197 ( talk) 02:59, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Regarding the new layout, though it might looks more appealing, it doesn't have the rows lined up, and also it prevents blind people to understand the data, thus I must ask you to not revert back to that version. → Aza Toth 00:59, 29 April 2009 (UTC) I would suggest you to restart from the earlier layout, and work from there, the best course of action is for now revert back to the previous version, and work on an version in a sandbox. → Aza Toth 01:10, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
I edited the code so that it looks more like the navbox table, while still using the wikitable formatting. Feel free to clean up my wikicode. Abecedare ( talk) 02:05, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
We have two types of deaths - those which are confirmed as being from the virus and those which are only suspected as being form the virus, but not yet confirmed. The question is what should these two types be called?
I have twice changed it to "confirmed\unconfirmed" to avoid any possible ambiguity. The problem with other words (such as "attributed" or "suspected") is that it is not 100% clear whether this means the total # or just the ones that aren't confirmed. (As evidenced by editors making good faith changes in both directions).
However, it has been changed away from "unconfirmed" by others multiple times so I am asking for other opinions as to the best terminology here. Thanks. -- ThaddeusB ( talk) 20:39, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
I changed the header of the suspected cases to "other suspected", so hopefully that will clear things up a bit more. "Lab confirmed"/"Other suspeccted" -> "Confirmed (Suspected)". -- ThaddeusB ( talk) 23:37, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
I think it might be a good idea to reverse the order of confirmed and unconfirmed deaths, that is, putting unconfirmed in parenthesis and confirmed outside of parenthesis. The placement of the bigger numbers first comes off as kind of sensationalist. Just a thought. —/ Mendaliv/ 2¢/ Δ's/ 22:55, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
How do we reconcile the numbers of confirmed cases on this page with this statement from the WHO? The WHO claims that there are only 79 confirmed cases worldwide, about 1/3 of what this template claims. Are we listening to a reactionary media more than we should be? Oren0 ( talk) 17:33, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
I think it's not a good idea to have a separate column for probable case as they are still suspected, so could we simply put brackets, or even merge their numbers with the suspected cases if necessary? The width of the template now disrupts the text flow of those major articles. - Xavier Fung ( talk) 12:15, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
The definition of "probable" cases is provided by an official authority on the matter, the CDC, and seem to be followed by reputable media and other country agencies. All of them had suffered preliminary tests. The suspects cases are too broad and poorly scientific based.-- Nutriveg ( talk) 14:45, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
I don't see a problem with dropping the "probable" column from the main chart, but leaving it in the US chart where it has a specific meaning. However, I would point out that it does have *some* purpose in the main chart - for example the 11 "probable" cases in NZ will likely never be officially verified since they are directly connected to the 3 confirmed cases & the authorities feel there is not point testing the connected individuals since they almost certainly have the same strain. -- ThaddeusB ( talk) 16:14, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
So this is the draft for the replacement, and still work in progress to merge the numbers. [11] - Xavier Fung ( talk) 17:39, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Well, the definition of "probable" vs. "suspected" is pretty much clear. A "suspected" case is basically an ILI (influenza-like illness). Those cases will be tested. When the test shows influenza A, but not common influenza strains, it will be declared "probable", otherwise the case will be cleared. Further tests on the "probable" cases try to identify if the current virus A/H1N1 is present, which results in a "confirmed" case. From all media reports I checked so far, this differentiation is followed. On the other hand, if we use the reduced table, we have to discard many cases for Mexico: everywhere it is cited that only 26 cases are confirmed - not 170+. Hilmarwoy 17:50, 29 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.55.95.148 ( talk)
Although this table's formating is terrible, it actually looks nicer than the current table. It was reverted for formatting and alignment issues. Hopefully we can make the current table look more like this one.
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Ikip ( talk) 02:07, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
I think that is better the left version. -- 87.0.62.180 ( talk) 14:44, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
I have set up automatic archiving to archive any threads with no comments for 48 hours in order to (hopefully) cut down on the clutter. -- ThaddeusB ( talk) 20:44, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
the unique formatting of this page is confusing. It is difficult to find and follow a particular discussion. I went ahead and created:
Template talk:2009 swine flu outbreak table/Region specific discussions
A subpage of this one, for Region specific discussions. Ikip ( talk) 15:18, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
3 laboratory confirmed cases in France, http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89pid%C3%A9mie_de_grippe_porcine_H1N1_de_2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by AMM1995 ( talk • contribs)
32 Suspected cases in France
http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/2009/04/29/01011-20090429FILWWW00475-grippe-porcine-france-32-cas-suspects.php
Dccdz (
talk) 14:55, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
5 probable 41 Suspected cases http://tf1.lci.fr/infos/sciences/sante/0,,4399729,00-5-cas-probables-en-france-reunion-a-matignon-ce-soir-.html Dccdz ( talk) 14:06, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
19 (not 17) non-confirmed cases in Spain: http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2009/04/27/espana/1240825949.html Reescribidor ( talk) 11:23, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Second confirmed case in Spain: http://www.publico.es/espana/222002/sanidad/confirma/segundo/caso/gripe/porcina/espana (in spanish) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.9.61.158 ( talk) 09:53, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
There is a mistaked data in the template: now, in Spain, are 25 possible/no-confirmed, not 35: [16]. Amadís ( talk) 22:51, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
2 Cases confirmed in Spain, 26 possible cases: http://ecodiario.eleconomista.es/espana/noticias/1200758/04/09/Espana-vigila-a-26-poisbles-infectados-por-la-gripe-porcina.html 10:34, 28 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.56.15.120 ( talk)
In Valencia, Spain, a 2nd case has been confirmed by the Health Ministry. http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2009/04/28/espana/1240911361.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.169.86.68 ( talk) 09:58, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Upwards of 50 - FALSE
EDIT: 111 cases (pause video at the very start)
Source: http://www.3news.co.nz/Video/Nightline/tabid/368/articleID/101436/cat/41/Default.aspx#video
why is it 11 confirmed? the reference is 3 out of 11, not 11
GTNz (
talk) 14:10, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Because 11 are judged to "have swine flu" as being part of the group who was confirmed. See
[18]
Jestr (
talk) 01:42, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
6 deaths in the USA
Unconfirmed case in Scotland
Source: http://www.3news.co.nz/Video/Nightline/tabid/368/articleID/101436/cat/41/Default.aspx#video
Therkster ( talk) 14:49, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
In the table it says 18 laboratory confirmed cases, when its really 22. Chack it in the Frech version if you dare... —Preceding unsigned comment added by AMM1995 ( talk • contribs) 15:42, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Only one possibly attributed death in the US, not two.
Source:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,518196,00.html
Nintendo 07 (
talk) 21:26, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Laboratory confirmed cases in Mexico are about 22, check it in the french version... —Preceding unsigned comment added by AMM1995 ( talk • contribs) 15:45, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
still 3 suspects in Prague (men returned from Mexico).
http://aktualne.centrum.cz/domaci/zivot-v-cesku/clanek.phtml?id=635843
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http://www.ct24.cz/domaci/53084-zadny-z-vysetrenych-nema-priznaky-praseci-chripky/ - also predictions (final results not yet known)
—Preceding
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Acidbird (
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0 cases for now - those 3 not confirmed - http://www.ct24.cz/domaci/53084-testy-na-praseci-chripku-jsou-u-vsech-tri-cestovatelu-negativni/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Acidbird ( talk • contribs) 16:39, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Just thought I would bring it to the attention of fellow editors that the Czech Republic in the table has 0 everything. Is there a reason why its there? Last I heard there were 3 cases so if someone is willing to update it? Lachy123 ( talk) 09:38, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
0 cases for now
Please update the numbers on Germany. The 3 cases mentioned in the initial source are confirmed negative influenza A - so it's not swine flu. Source: http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/mensch/0,1518,621426,00.html. (Headline says All-clear for suspicious swine flu cases). -- hilmarwoy 21:15, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
In Bielefeld wurden die ersten Verdachtsfälle von Schweinegrippe in Deutschland gemeldet. Bei zwei Personen, die mit grippeähnlichen Symptomen ins Krankenhaus kamen, gaben die Mediziner bereits Entwarnung. Verwirrung herrschte über einen weiteren angeblichen Verdachtsfall. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AMM1995 ( talk • contribs) 22:56, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
One is still unclear, the other one came out negative after a "Schnelltest" (rapid test). Thorough testing still needs to be done however. http://www.sueddeutsche.de/wissen/47/466627/text/ — 85.179.140.94 ( talk) 13:06, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
First verified case of swine flu near Regensburg "Bayern bestätigt ersten Fall von Schweinegrippe in Deutschland" http://rhein-zeitung.de/on/09/04/29/ticker/t/rzo563149.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.246.20.65 ( talk) 06:35, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Two women traveling from Mexico to Portugal on 27th April 2009 have flu-like symptoms. Reference: http://ultimahora.publico.clix.pt/noticia.aspx?id=1377186&idCanal=62
The above article also mentions that these two women have not been tested for the strain, and have been told, during a visit to the hospital, to stay home for 10 days.
"Ainda de acordo com o mesmo jornal, as portuguesas estiveram de férias em Puebla, a 190 quilómetros da Cidade do México e, no voo de regresso, fizeram escala nos Estados Unidos. Quando chegaram a Portugal, perante alguns sintomas de gripe e diarreia, telefonaram para a Linha Saúde 24 que as reencaminhou para o hospital, onde terão ido duas vezes mas sem serem submetidas a exames médicos específicos. Foi-lhe apenas dito para aguardarem dez dias em casa."
Sahbapasta ( talk) 13:41, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Tests conducted on the two sickly individuals have now confirmed they suffer from regular flu, as opposed to Swine Flu. Please correct the table, as I cannot (no account). Link (In Portuguese): http://jn.sapo.pt/PaginaInicial/Sociedade/Interior.aspx?content_id=1214806 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.84.189.3 ( talk) 20:28, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
suspect cases in israel go up to three. ATIAS ( talk) 15:27, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Israel has 2 confirmed cases. Why was that taken off? source: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/04/27/us/20090427-flu-update-graphic.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.3.255.31 ( talk) 11:45, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Further evidence of 2 confirmed cases in Israel: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/health/swineflu/map.html
JPost says 6 cases. 192.118.11.112 ( talk) 10:16, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Please, update the map. In this moment there are not suspects of swine flu in Peru, and the suspect peruvian woman came from Cancun, Mexico was not swine flu.
Read Reuters article from 1 hour ago (Spanish): [20] -- EdwinJs ( talk) 16:56, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
It is not influenza. http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=280496&cid=1
Test is negative —Preceding unsigned comment added by Minorellen ( talk • contribs) 17:23, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
The first case of Swine Flu in Costa Rica has been confirmed on a 21 year old girl that visited Mexico (source in spanish): http://www.nacion.com/ln_ee/2009/abril/28/pais1948013.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sabro113 ( talk • contribs) 17:31, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
According to a healthcare official there are 9 suspects in the cantons of Aargau, Berne, Geneve, Zurich, Basel-City and Vaud. 8 are considered to be mild while one patient has pneumonia probably caused by bacterial infection.
Swiss television reports: [21]
I ask for apporopriate changes of the template, the map and the article about national responses. -- Constantine of Kostenets ( talk) 17:57, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
I originally just zeroed out the cases, but decided based on prior removals to pull Ireland out of the table. Here's the cite. Irish swine flu results all clear aremisasling ( talk) 18:06, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Not yet confirmed. [23] Should we wait for the test results before adding these to the table? -- Pontificalibus ( talk) 18:18, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
California declares state of emergency in the wake of this. rootology ( C)( T) 19:22, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
According to the "2009 Swine Flu Outbreak in US" article, there are 70 proven cases and 200+ possible cases in US whereas the table in this article shows 68 and 300+ respectively. Which number is correct I cannot tell, but the other table should be updated.
The same thing also goes for Spain (2 proven, 40 possible in the main article, 3 proven, 32 possible in this article).
Sincerely, 18:31, 28 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.233.100.240 ( talk)
Russia is missing from the table, I don't know why, just check it.-- AMM1995 ( talk) 20:40, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
This article... [25]
... seems to supercede the article [26] cited for Brazil, which was put back in after I removed it earlier. There are other references on the talk page of the main article. I'm going to remove Brazil unless a better source can be found. Wine Guy Talk 02:25, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
1 confrimed case. Source: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/5min/story/1022790.html "In Brazil, a 40-year-old man was hospitalized with swine flu Tuesday in the northern coastal city of Salvador, the Brazilian government news agency reported. The man had just returned from Miami."
New 3 possible cases, all in Belo Horizonte city. Two are a couple who returned from Mexico and the third is a man who returned from the United States.
References (all in portuguese):
G1 Portal:
http://g1.globo.com/Noticias/Brasil/0,,MUL1099897-5598,00.html
G1 Portal:
http://g1.globo.com/Noticias/Brasil/0,,MUL1100227-5598,00-BELO+HORIZONTE+REGISTRA+MAIS+UM+SUSPEITO+DE+GRIPE+SUINA.html (third suspect case)
Folha Online:
http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/folha/cotidiano/ult95u556873.shtml
Folha Online:
http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/folha/cotidiano/ult95u556955.shtml (third suspect case)
We should add Brazil to the list. —Preceding
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Marcosrom (
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3 possible cases, all in Belo Horizonte city. Yesterday, was 2 cases in São Paulo but they wasn't swine flu. In this 3 new cases, two people are a couple who returned from Mexico and the third is a man who returned from the United States.
References (all in portuguese):
G1 Portal:
http://g1.globo.com/Noticias/Brasil/0,,MUL1099897-5598,00.html
G1 Portal:
http://g1.globo.com/Noticias/Brasil/0,,MUL1100227-5598,00-BELO+HORIZONTE+REGISTRA+MAIS+UM+SUSPEITO+DE+GRIPE+SUINA.html (third suspect case)
Folha Online:
http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/folha/cotidiano/ult95u556873.shtml
Folha Online:
http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/folha/cotidiano/ult95u556955.shtml (third suspect case)
Please add Brazil to the table of suspect cases. —Preceding
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Marcosrom (
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contribs) 00:09, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
How do I do to add Brazil in the cases by country? There are already 11 suspect cases in Brazil, however, here speaks that to publish is blockaded...
How do I do to add Brazil in the cases by country? There are already 11 suspect cases in Brazil, however, here speaks that to publish is blockaded... Rodfanaia ( talk) 00:45, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Source: http://g1.globo.com/Noticias/Brasil/0,,MUL1100490-5598,00.html -- Rodfanaia ( talk) 00:56, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
+1 Source: http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/folha/cotidiano/ult95u557093.shtml -- Rodfanaia ( talk) 01:40, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
SAO PAULO - Twelve persons are interned in hospitals of the country and are monitored because of having arrived of travels to the outside with symptoms of swine flu, according to the Brazilian authorities. Schemes of emergence are being mounted in the states to designate hospitals of reference and to maintain the patients with suspect of swine flu isolated.
In Salvador, a 40-year-old, derived man of the United States, submitted in the hospital Otávio Mangabeira with fever, cough and pain of throat.
Too many cases are being accompanied in Minas Gerais (three), Rio de Janeiro (two), Amazon (two), Rio Grande do Norte (two), Sao Paulo (one) and Pará (one). One of the suspect cases of the Rio de Janeiro belongs of a woman interned in isolation in the hospital Top D'Or.
-- UPDATED --
[ UPDATED: Three persons of the same family were directed this Tuesday to a hospital in the Rio after Tom Jobim disembarked in the airport with symptoms like vomiting and diarrhea. Due to the fear of an advancement of the swine flu, the three were directed to the hospital Evandro Chagas, of the Fiocruz. ]
In the total they are 16 suspect persons of swine flu in Brazil.
http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/folha/cotidiano/ult95u557354.shtml
The Ministry of Health informed in this Tuesday (28) that there are 20 cases of persons with suspect of contamination for the Swine flu in Brazil. The cases were registered in eight states of the country.
The Paraná is the state with more suspect cases (4), followed of Minas Gerais, Amazon and Santa Catarina (3), Bahia, Rio de Janeiro and Rio Grande do Norte (2 each) and Pará (1). According to the ministry, all the cases are being monitored.
-- Rodfanaia ( talk) 20:47, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Can anybody increase the number of suspect cases in Brazil in the Cases by country?
-- Rodfanaia ( talk) 21:01, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
By Health Minister: [27] other 36 people are been "monitored" but this is different from suspicious status, differentiated by Minister. -- 201.78.51.25 ( talk) 20:18, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Costa Rica has infected people too (1 woman) [28] [29]. ~~ ×α£ đ~~ es 21:18, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
ive noticed this got changed from 152 to 126 and back a few time recently, are we assuming 152 refers to the total deaths both confirmed and attributed (126+26) or is 152 attributed only (meaning total is 152+26) this should be cleared up so it doesnt keep getting changed and reverted Default.XBE ( talk) 21:23, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Do we have a consensus way to deal with New Zealand (and similar cases)? As it stands now (and has for a while), 3 have been explicility confirmed via laboratory test. One more is undergoing further testing. However as several cases are strongly related (occured among a group of students all of who had visited Mexico together and came down with similar symptoms due to some type of influenza A) this is considered sufficient to confirm that all 11 have swine flu according to health sources (and mentioned in every source I've read). Only these four samples were sent for testing and it's unclear if any of the other 7 are going to be tested (one source seemed to imply it but it was a non NZ source and may have been mistaken) but it seems from the sources that if they will, it's not going to happen any time soon (which makes sense there's no point testing something you are 99.9% certain of when you have a lot of other cases to test). If it hasn't already, this is likely to happens in other cases/countries too I expect. So the question is how should we handle this in the article? At the moment, it simply says 11 with no explaination. Earlier it said 3 again with no explaination. Before that it said 3 (11) with the explaination that it was 11 predicted, 3 confirmed. All these have been with the same sources/information and I notice above there is a comment from someone confused by the sources so I expect there could easily be more chopping and changing if we don't agree what's the best way to handle it. Personally I feel the 11 should be in there somewhere so either the current system or the earliest system. Nil Einne ( talk) 21:36, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Is the New York Times reliable enough to call it 14 confirmed? "New Zealand officials said on Wednesday that 14 cases had been confirmed there." http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/30/health/30flu.html?_r=1&hp 65.3.255.31 ( talk) 13:17, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
It looks like this figure has been repeatedly switched. The problem is: does attributed deaths = total deaths (confirmed + suspected, hence 26 + 126) or only suspected deaths (126)? Better to have a consensus.
And if it means only suspected deaths, do we need a column for "total" deaths (to avoid confusion)? Roy2005 ( talk) 21:49, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
OK, the term "total attributed" seems to do the trick. Thanks. Roy2005 ( talk) 21:54, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
As yet the sources for this suggest the deaths are not attributed to the flu but other diseases. They are investigating any links to the flu. I think it is incorrect and too soon to add them to the table, especially given this is a big issue. As such I have removed it twice. I will not do so again as it verges on warring, but please discuss it here. |→ Spaully₪ † 22:11, 28 April 2009 ( GMT)
Please add Russia to the list, for one confirmed infection and no unconfirmed or deaths. 68.40.189.45 ( talk) 23:16, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/swine-flu/5235900/Swine-flu-New-Zealand-confirms-11-cases.html 130.217.188.28 ( talk) 00:50, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Why does New Zealand have two columns? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.152.107.206 ( talk) 01:05, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
14 cases confirmed in New Zealnd http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/30/health/30flu.html?_r=1&hp "New Zealand officials said on Wednesday that 14 cases had been confirmed there." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.3.255.31 ( talk) 13:15, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
I have another source to back the 14 confirmed cases up. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/apr/26/swine-flu-outbreak-timeline —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.208.189.101 ( talk) 18:42, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
there are conflicting reports, the source cited for the current number (4) http://www.nzherald.co.nz/swine-flu/news/article.cfm?c_id=1502821&objectid=10569245 says 4 have been confirmed with swine flu and another 10 are expected to return positive results, lets leave it at 4 until we know those results...of ocurse with the other numbers in that source it would bring the suspected up to 220 for NZ Default.XBE ( talk) 18:59, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Can someone please put the total number at the top, instead of at the bottom?
Everyone is interested in the total number, but the current format makes people scroll down to the bottom of the graph.
I will play with this, but I don't know if I can fix this. Ikip ( talk) 01:12, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Argentina has 12 cases like Colombia, but the A is before the C. Can anyone put Argentina above Colombia?... I don't know how to do this -- Maru-Spanish ( talk) 01:47, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Can someone please see that this gets into the table? http://www.panama-guide.com/article.php/20090428100904563 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.115.155.34 ( talk) 03:42, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Two hours ago a Copa Airlines flight from Mexico to Buenos Aires made an emergency land in Lima, because an argentinian woman that was on board presented the symtomps. She is currently in observation, while the rest of the passengers continued to Buenos Aires. [33] [34] 201.230.3.23 ( talk) 04:23, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
While there has been no known cases of human swine flu in Singapore, 17 cases have been referred for further medical assessment. 16 have been referred to the Communicable Disease Centre (CDC) and one case was seen at Singapore General Hospital (SGH).
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/425580/1/.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sgreporter ( talk • contribs) 05:50, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Apologies for previous comments...
Reply to Xavier Fung:
There are 17 cases in total (until 28 April 2009)
one case was seen at SGH. Three cases referred to the CDC (including the two referred yesterday) have all tested negative
17 - 1 - 3 = 13 Suspected Cases...(until 28 April 2009)
http://www.moh.gov.sg/mohcorp/pressreleases.aspx
Today one of the four "maybe-infections" was confirmed as an H1N1 infection: derStandard.at, german. The other three are negatives.
So the current row for Austria should look like: "1 0 0" Daniel at 84 ( talk) 07:47, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
The reference for 2 probable cases in Slovakia does not really support the probable claim - per the article, of the 2 cases, one has so far tested negative for any influenza virus, and the second does not even have any symptoms - they should at best be moved to "suspected" instead of "probable" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.80.31.117 ( talk) 14:35, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Has just raised the suspects' number of the pig flu in Brazil. of 20 it was for 27.
SAO PAULO - 27 Are the persons monitored in nine states of the country and in the Federal area with suspect of having contracted the virus of the swine flu.
Can anybody publish and put the number of suspect cases for 27? thxx!!
-- Rodfanaia ( talk) 13:24, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=nw20090429144821696C561369 -- Simonr9999 ( talk) 13:24, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
The two suspected cases in Iceland turned out to be false alarms. The individuals in question do not have the swine flu. The source is here: http://visir.is/article/20090429/FRETTIR01/727631714 -- Cessator ( talk) 15:03, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
22-year old Croatian girl is held in isolation after she returned from Florida with symptoms...
http://www.index.hr/vijesti/clanak/svinjska-gripa-i-u-hrvatskoj/431720.aspx
E.coli (
talk) 15:13, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
hi singapore does not have 13 suspected cases, all 17 who had flu-like symptoms have tested negative for swine flu. http://www.crisis.gov.sg/flu/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joshuattc ( talk • contribs) 16:50, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
According to El Diario de Hoy, one of the most read newspapers in El Salvador, there are now 3 suspected cases of swine flu in El Salvador. The laboratory confirmations will arrive on the weekend. http://www.elsalvador.com/mwedh/nota/nota_completa.asp?idCat=6364&idArt=3586764
asaber2 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Asaber2 ( talk • contribs) 17:43, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Argentina http://twitter.com/Veratect/statuses/1650847309 Ecuador http://twitter.com/Veratect/statuses/1650748161 Both have one possible case. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hdstubbs ( talk • contribs) 17:57, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Twitter is not that reliable but Veratect, the company that issued the twitter is really reliable. They use sources from media outlets and health organization in 37 different languages to deliver updates in real time. I would link to Veratect but they don't post their twitter updates on their website. Here is the link that tells about their twitter updates. http://biosurveillance.typepad.com/biosurveillance/2009/04/first-use-of-twitter-during-a-public-health-emergency.html 62.69.130.82 ( talk) 07:57, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/30/health/30flu.html?ref=health . Don't know if we should do anything about it. Daniel.Cardenas ( talk) 16:56, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
ECDC (European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control [35]) publish a daily report on their homepage (e.g. [36]) with a useful table showing "Cases Investigated", "Lab Positive", "Lab Negaitve", "Cases Still under Investigation". -- Pontificalibus ( talk) 19:31, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Two people in Trondheim just got negative test reusults while two others are being tested. [37] (Norwegian)
Two others have been tested with negative outcome. [38] (Norwegian)
There is also one boy in Vestfold, but he is recovering, and the tests haven't given any positive results. [39] (Norwegian)
This means the the number of uncertain cases is down to 5+. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aleco ( talk • contribs) 20:06, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
The ECDC report from 08:00 [40] says that Russia and Greece each have a suspected case. Meanwhile, Belgium has found all six cases not to be swine flu. Since this report is probably already a little out of date and these are only single suspected cases it might not be worth updating for this one, but the next report should be available soon. Mike Serfas ( talk) 21:54, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
A 75 year old woman died at a hospital in Guatemala with symptoms of flu, and high fever. The victim was identified as Jacinta García Ambrosio, and indicated that when she arrived at the hospital had very high fever.
Source:
http://prensalibre.com/pl/2009/abril/28/310967.html
(Translated version)
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fprensalibre.com%2Fpl%2F2009%2Fabril%2F28%2F310967.html+&sl=es&tl=en&history_state0= —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fanaroth ( talk • contribs) 21:32, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Exist a girl in an Oporto Hospital (São João), that is waiting for her exams, and I've discovered a notice that says that is a portuguese military in a Lisbon Hospital (Curry Cabral). He had came back from Texas, in the beginig of this week, and today has surged the information that he is in the hospital, waiting for the first exams, that if are "confusing" they go to the Instituto Ricardo Jorge, to be made more exams, you can read the notice here João P. M. Lima ( talk) 17:43, 29 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by PigFlu Oink ( talk • contribs)
Pleast add Egypt to the table http://twitter.com/Veratect/status/1655230473 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.69.130.82 ( talk) 04:52, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Can someone add Fiji to the map as supected case?... and to the table?... I don't know how to do it. SOURCE http://www.fijitimes.com/story.aspx?id=120407 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.254.95.170 ( talk) 05:53, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
New Zealand's confirmed cases should be 16 with 104 suspected. http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/suspected-swine-flu-cases-rise-104-2691146 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.69.130.82 ( talk) 06:07, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
It says, "There are now three new confirmed or probable cases of swine flu in New Zealand, taking the country's official total to 16.
All have tested positive for influenza A." I think you misread the source. Thanks! :) 62.69.130.82 ( talk) 10:44, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Can we change Peru's numbers to five suspected. http://twitter.com/Veratect/status/1656599594 62.69.130.82 ( talk) 06:12, 30 April 2009 (UTC
A suspected case has been reported in Arad county, Romania. An 18-month old boy who had traveled to Portugal and Spain presented swine flu symptoms and blood tests have been ordered, according to Mihai Tarcus, director of the Public Health Department of Arad County. http://www.hotnews.ro/stiri-ultima_ora-5651541-copil-din-arad-intors-recent-din-spania-portugalia-este-suspect-gripa-porcina.htm (Romanian). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aurelian ( talk • contribs) 11:22, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
An update to this article states that this is not a case of swine flu. Romania has no other confirmed or suspected swine flu case. It should be removed from the list. (In Romania the press would open up champagne to have at least such a case - this is my personal comment) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.76.65.112 ( talk) 12:01, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Suspected case reported today,a traveller from US is showing flu-like symptoms http://b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2009&mm=04&dd=30&nav_id=358154 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.116.153.5 ( talk) 11:48, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
The case is not swine influenza http://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2009&mm=04&dd=30&nav_id=358154 (in Serbian) Dejan Jovanović ( talk) 13:34, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Local media reports that the Croatian possible case of swine flu is not infected with any virus at all http://b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2009&mm=04&dd=30&nav_category=12&nav_id=358078 First paragraph underneath the bolded text —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.116.153.5 ( talk) 08:37, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
In short: Ira Dzenero-Margan chief of service for epidemology of infectios disease said to HRT (croatian national television): Tests have shown that 22 year old Croatian from Osijek, which was suspected of being infected with swine flu virus H1N1, doesn't have any flu, especially swine flu.
Other part, of the article talks about swine flu in general. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.143.70.178 ( talk) 11:39, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
3 year old girl had a confirmed swine flu —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.224.231.55 ( talk) 11:42, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
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