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On August 15, 2009, five days before the election, a suicide car bomb struck NATO's headquarters inside Kabul's most fortified district. Seven people were killed and 91 wounded, including several foreign soldiers, by the attack at the complex known as "HQ ISAF" inside the heart of a network of fortified embassies and government buidings around the presidential palace in Kabul's equivalent of Baghdad's Green Zone. A Taliban spokesperson confirmed that the attackers had been targeting the NATO military headquarters and the nearby U.S. embassy, located less than 150 meters away, as part of a campaign to disrupt the elections.
Now these paragraphs from the Guardian:
'Seven people were killed and almost 100 wounded, including several international soldiers, when the bomber detonated his explosives on the doorstep of Kabul's international military headquarters...The complex where the attack took place, known as HQ ISAF, is in the heart of Kabul's answer to Baghdad's green zone, a network of fortified embassies and government offices close to the presidential palace...A Taliban spokesman, Zabihullah Mujahid, confirmed the attackers had been targeting the Nato headquarters and the nearby US embassy as part of a campaign to disrupt the elections and said the attack follows orders from the Taliban leadership for Afghans to boycott the polls.
An exact, unchanged phrase, as was sometimes the case in your writing, must be in quotation marks. I am just asking that you write instead of copying and making superficial changes. Thank you for improving it. Joshdboz ( talk) 12:14, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
I removed some links from the see also section. Iran's election didn't involve suicide bombings and militant activities. If you gonna put Iran then also put Pakistan's election, these two nations are both involved in same war with militants. Iran and Afghanistan are not as close as you assume. Iran's political system is based on Shia sect and is very anti-USA while Afghanistan's is the opposit, as Sunni and is dominated by pro-USA politicians.-- 119.73.1.122 ( talk) 01:21, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
Hamid Karzai didn't only get most of the Pashtun votes from the south of the country but also from Nimroz, Farah, and Herat region in the west as well as from northern areas where Uzbeks, Turkmen, Pashtuns, Aimaqs, and a number of pro-Karzai Tajiks and others. Abdullah Abdullah only got votes from the criminal warlords, followers of Ahmad Shah Massoud. Other than criminals, gunmen, warlords, thieves, bandits and their family and friends, etc., no educated Afghans like them because they are blamed for the 1990s ethnic civil war which destroyed much of the country. This is why Abdullah's votes will be very low in the end, which I believe will be around 15%. Most Afghans are trying to go forward with new faces, Abdullah's face is a reminder of dark days to majority of Afghans. Also, many Afghan refugees (most of whom want Karzai) travelled from Pakistan to vote in Afghanistan. That's another reason why Karzai is expected to get higher votes. Afghan refugees are citizens of Afghanistan just living on a temporary bases in Pakistan until 2012 and by law they are entitled to cast their votes inside Afghanistan.-- 119.73.1.122 ( talk) 01:42, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
Since the full list of presidential candidates can stand well on its own, and this article is getting full, I created a new page for it at List of candidates in the Afghan presidential election, 2009 and added a link to it at the top of the Candidates section. Formats ( talk) 06:02, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
One of the allegations I've read that I don't believe is covered in this article (although I may have missed it) is that there were a large number of non existant polling stations as well as polling stations that were closed but still reported results. Also while we mention ballot box stuffing, I believe there were specific claims of a number of polling stations reporting significantly more results then voters and some polling stations with abnormally high numbers of voters (there is brief mention of this in the post election vote count part but it should perhaps be expanded) or specifically in some cases women voters Nil Einne ( talk) 05:25, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
Since over 80% of Afghanistan is in Taliban control,,,,we can't rely on any of the western media reports because it's obvious that western media reporters didn't go to most polling station sites. They only visited few safe ones and make everything out of that. All the media reports are based on local people expressing their personal views, and those people in that area are usually forced to lie to the media. Another point is why the entire media keeps painting a picture that Karzai won by massive fraud when there are no Afghans complaining? I mean if Karzai really won by fraud then surely many Afghans in every city would've been protesting in anger. It's just this one Tajik loser by the name of Abdullah Abdullah who is appearing in the media barking about Karzai and mass fraud. Afghanistan has been ruled by Pashtuns since 1709 and the majority of the people in that country are Pashtun and they always vote for their own. Karzai not only won because he is Pashtun, but because he is very unique...he is bringing develoments and good economy to all the people of his nation. The west, especially the western media which relies on information from the public, are going to lose in Afghanistan because of ignorance and bad judgement. I say this because many of the Pashtuns were still supporting the west against the Taliban....now that the west looks at Karzai as a bad guy this makes even those pro-western Pashtuns to unite with Taliban and show the world what Pashtun race is made of. Pashtun will play an honest game of russian roulette with you and do you westerners have the balls to play with them? This article is all speaking about Karzai won due to massive election fraud but there is no evidence to convince anyone.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.73.2.144 ( talk • contribs) 17:58, 25 September 2009
Any special reason noone has added the final results to the article yet? — Nightstallion 22:19, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Could someone change the headline from "Karzai wins" to "Karzai declared winner" as I think its a more accurate description of the situation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.3.236.9 ( talk) 20:15, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
Even though Karzai didn't win outright (he was declared winner) should the number of votes from the first rounds be display in the top? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.157.219.171 ( talk) 23:00, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
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Joshdboz, you've now twice reverted a series of good faith edits. After your first revert, I went to the trouble to modify the text to try to suit you, but your repeated actions - completely censoring content instead of starting a discussion or fixing the perceived problem - indicates POV vandalism.
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On August 15, 2009, five days before the election, a suicide car bomb struck NATO's headquarters inside Kabul's most fortified district. Seven people were killed and 91 wounded, including several foreign soldiers, by the attack at the complex known as "HQ ISAF" inside the heart of a network of fortified embassies and government buidings around the presidential palace in Kabul's equivalent of Baghdad's Green Zone. A Taliban spokesperson confirmed that the attackers had been targeting the NATO military headquarters and the nearby U.S. embassy, located less than 150 meters away, as part of a campaign to disrupt the elections.
Now these paragraphs from the Guardian:
'Seven people were killed and almost 100 wounded, including several international soldiers, when the bomber detonated his explosives on the doorstep of Kabul's international military headquarters...The complex where the attack took place, known as HQ ISAF, is in the heart of Kabul's answer to Baghdad's green zone, a network of fortified embassies and government offices close to the presidential palace...A Taliban spokesman, Zabihullah Mujahid, confirmed the attackers had been targeting the Nato headquarters and the nearby US embassy as part of a campaign to disrupt the elections and said the attack follows orders from the Taliban leadership for Afghans to boycott the polls.
An exact, unchanged phrase, as was sometimes the case in your writing, must be in quotation marks. I am just asking that you write instead of copying and making superficial changes. Thank you for improving it. Joshdboz ( talk) 12:14, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
I removed some links from the see also section. Iran's election didn't involve suicide bombings and militant activities. If you gonna put Iran then also put Pakistan's election, these two nations are both involved in same war with militants. Iran and Afghanistan are not as close as you assume. Iran's political system is based on Shia sect and is very anti-USA while Afghanistan's is the opposit, as Sunni and is dominated by pro-USA politicians.-- 119.73.1.122 ( talk) 01:21, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
Hamid Karzai didn't only get most of the Pashtun votes from the south of the country but also from Nimroz, Farah, and Herat region in the west as well as from northern areas where Uzbeks, Turkmen, Pashtuns, Aimaqs, and a number of pro-Karzai Tajiks and others. Abdullah Abdullah only got votes from the criminal warlords, followers of Ahmad Shah Massoud. Other than criminals, gunmen, warlords, thieves, bandits and their family and friends, etc., no educated Afghans like them because they are blamed for the 1990s ethnic civil war which destroyed much of the country. This is why Abdullah's votes will be very low in the end, which I believe will be around 15%. Most Afghans are trying to go forward with new faces, Abdullah's face is a reminder of dark days to majority of Afghans. Also, many Afghan refugees (most of whom want Karzai) travelled from Pakistan to vote in Afghanistan. That's another reason why Karzai is expected to get higher votes. Afghan refugees are citizens of Afghanistan just living on a temporary bases in Pakistan until 2012 and by law they are entitled to cast their votes inside Afghanistan.-- 119.73.1.122 ( talk) 01:42, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
Since the full list of presidential candidates can stand well on its own, and this article is getting full, I created a new page for it at List of candidates in the Afghan presidential election, 2009 and added a link to it at the top of the Candidates section. Formats ( talk) 06:02, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
One of the allegations I've read that I don't believe is covered in this article (although I may have missed it) is that there were a large number of non existant polling stations as well as polling stations that were closed but still reported results. Also while we mention ballot box stuffing, I believe there were specific claims of a number of polling stations reporting significantly more results then voters and some polling stations with abnormally high numbers of voters (there is brief mention of this in the post election vote count part but it should perhaps be expanded) or specifically in some cases women voters Nil Einne ( talk) 05:25, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
Since over 80% of Afghanistan is in Taliban control,,,,we can't rely on any of the western media reports because it's obvious that western media reporters didn't go to most polling station sites. They only visited few safe ones and make everything out of that. All the media reports are based on local people expressing their personal views, and those people in that area are usually forced to lie to the media. Another point is why the entire media keeps painting a picture that Karzai won by massive fraud when there are no Afghans complaining? I mean if Karzai really won by fraud then surely many Afghans in every city would've been protesting in anger. It's just this one Tajik loser by the name of Abdullah Abdullah who is appearing in the media barking about Karzai and mass fraud. Afghanistan has been ruled by Pashtuns since 1709 and the majority of the people in that country are Pashtun and they always vote for their own. Karzai not only won because he is Pashtun, but because he is very unique...he is bringing develoments and good economy to all the people of his nation. The west, especially the western media which relies on information from the public, are going to lose in Afghanistan because of ignorance and bad judgement. I say this because many of the Pashtuns were still supporting the west against the Taliban....now that the west looks at Karzai as a bad guy this makes even those pro-western Pashtuns to unite with Taliban and show the world what Pashtun race is made of. Pashtun will play an honest game of russian roulette with you and do you westerners have the balls to play with them? This article is all speaking about Karzai won due to massive election fraud but there is no evidence to convince anyone.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.73.2.144 ( talk • contribs) 17:58, 25 September 2009
Any special reason noone has added the final results to the article yet? — Nightstallion 22:19, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Could someone change the headline from "Karzai wins" to "Karzai declared winner" as I think its a more accurate description of the situation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.3.236.9 ( talk) 20:15, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
Even though Karzai didn't win outright (he was declared winner) should the number of votes from the first rounds be display in the top? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.157.219.171 ( talk) 23:00, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
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