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Damir Kajin is center-left because 24 sata said so? He is a left-wing populist because knows the date of birth of a "communistic" dictator and doesn't know when the autocratic nationalist was born? He said that he would tell Milanovic to first loose the Peasants and the Pensioners, because they ask for too much. Yeah, he's really socially sensitive. His party is mainly oriented towards regionalism and anti-nationalism, and is a member of ELDR. He is only left on social issues, his economic positions are kinda rightist. Sure, I'd call him a liberal, socially progressive, anti-nationalist and regionalist, maybe even a populist, but newer a leftist. 89.164.154.166 ( talk) 17:59, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Croatian politicians are valued only by their looks towards social issues. So, if someone is called a "leftist" in Croatia, it means that he is for good relations with Serbs, for in vitro fertilisation for unmarried couples, gay rights, etc. HNS's and IDS's social views may be leftist, but their economic politics are rightist, they are in the ELDR, an organization of European liberals (European liberals=American libertarians). They shouldn't be caractarised as "leftists" here. 89.164.188.139 ( talk) 02:30, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Someone is constantly removing "right wing (de facto" from his political orientation. Andrija Hebrang is the HDZ's whip in the parliament and leader of right wing fraction. And has been so since 90s. There are references put in the text, so I dont see the point of someone censoring here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.191.147.34 ( talk • contribs) 26 September 2009
Source? As far as I know, the 2010 election will be held under the same electoral law as the previous one - i.e. with a runoff between the top placed candidates two weeks after the first round. -- 20% ( talk) 10:45, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Maybe we should reconsider the title now the first round is set for Dec 2009, and theoretically everything can be over before 2010. GregorB ( talk) 17:59, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
The latest poll explicitly differentiates between the entire population, and the population of likely voters. They have undecideds in *both* categories, but obviously the numbers are different. Do we include the former or the latter in the table? I had included the former, but I see now that it might be a deviation. I'll include the latter now, if only for reference, if it's wrong it can be undone. -- Joy [shallot] ( talk) 10:30, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
I heard about these Totus Opiniometar polls on Dnevnik HRT today, but our references to them were removed in this unexplained edit. Their web site is here. What's the reason for their removal? I found one blog post about it, but little else. -- Joy [shallot] ( talk) 22:23, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
We just had another minor scuffle now with Totus numbers which aren't comparable. I'm hoping it blows over... -- Joy [shallot] ( talk) 21:04, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
The endorsements section is a mess:
Also, the first and second rounds need to be better split, as the article appears confusing at the moment. "Analysis" and "Election night" sections relating to the first round would be better served preceding the second round campaign section. Chronological ordering of sections is easiest to follow.-- Thewanderer ( talk) 19:09, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
At the moment, the article uses both DMY and MDY formats. Per WP:DATES we should pick one of these formats and use it throughout. WP:DATES does not say which one, and personally I don't have any preferences... GregorB ( talk) 14:05, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
We're at 103 KB now, so it's clearly overdone :) I'm not sure if it makes more sense to single out some particular topic into a separate article, or just to start trimming excess details. -- Joy [shallot] ( talk) 14:06, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
I'm confused again. The news reports about the latest poll say that there is a 55.2:44.8 split in votes, but also say that there are 12.7 "neodluÄnih" (undecided). WTF? So are we really looking at:
Or are these 12.7% undecided about the turnout alone? If not, how come *everyone* else has made up their mind?! -- Joy [shallot] ( talk) 15:55, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
Oh and the poll is junk also because it predicts a 59% turnout - based on the historical trend that's near-impossible. Most of the first-round polls had a similar problem, noted by TV commentators at least a few times, and we should document that. -- Joy [shallot] ( talk) 15:59, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
The majority of polls (if not all of them) are limited to Croatia itself. However, there are 400,000 eligible voters outside of Croatia (9% of the electorate), out of which 60,000 participated in the first round (3% of first-round votes). There should probably be some mention of this, either in the polling section or elsewhere. I noticed this issue after seeing this Slobodna Dalmacija article.-- Thewanderer ( talk) 22:01, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
Incredibly (or not), only 4 out of 12 first-round candidates have images. Of those that are missing an image, something can be done quickly only for Škare-Ožbolt, because her web site has a Commons-compatible license (Sadržaji s ovih stranica mogu se prenositi bez dozvole uz navođenje izvora.). Others apparently require WP:PERMISSION. GregorB ( talk) 18:01, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
The early turnout data says there is a total of 4.088.798 voters. I figure that's the national number, and the rest is outside the borders. It did not change from the first round early turnout data. Can we assume that nothing will change in the expected voter numbers, or can something still move around? People who died or turned 18 in those two weeks? -- Joy [shallot] ( talk) 14:51, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
By what means is he far right? There is no far-right in Croatia like there is in EU (Jobbik, BNP, NPD, FPO, BZO,...). He is something like British UKIP, but without racist connections with are sometimes associated with UKIP. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.2.100.142 ( talk) 22:19, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
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Damir Kajin is center-left because 24 sata said so? He is a left-wing populist because knows the date of birth of a "communistic" dictator and doesn't know when the autocratic nationalist was born? He said that he would tell Milanovic to first loose the Peasants and the Pensioners, because they ask for too much. Yeah, he's really socially sensitive. His party is mainly oriented towards regionalism and anti-nationalism, and is a member of ELDR. He is only left on social issues, his economic positions are kinda rightist. Sure, I'd call him a liberal, socially progressive, anti-nationalist and regionalist, maybe even a populist, but newer a leftist. 89.164.154.166 ( talk) 17:59, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Croatian politicians are valued only by their looks towards social issues. So, if someone is called a "leftist" in Croatia, it means that he is for good relations with Serbs, for in vitro fertilisation for unmarried couples, gay rights, etc. HNS's and IDS's social views may be leftist, but their economic politics are rightist, they are in the ELDR, an organization of European liberals (European liberals=American libertarians). They shouldn't be caractarised as "leftists" here. 89.164.188.139 ( talk) 02:30, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Someone is constantly removing "right wing (de facto" from his political orientation. Andrija Hebrang is the HDZ's whip in the parliament and leader of right wing fraction. And has been so since 90s. There are references put in the text, so I dont see the point of someone censoring here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.191.147.34 ( talk • contribs) 26 September 2009
Source? As far as I know, the 2010 election will be held under the same electoral law as the previous one - i.e. with a runoff between the top placed candidates two weeks after the first round. -- 20% ( talk) 10:45, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Maybe we should reconsider the title now the first round is set for Dec 2009, and theoretically everything can be over before 2010. GregorB ( talk) 17:59, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
The latest poll explicitly differentiates between the entire population, and the population of likely voters. They have undecideds in *both* categories, but obviously the numbers are different. Do we include the former or the latter in the table? I had included the former, but I see now that it might be a deviation. I'll include the latter now, if only for reference, if it's wrong it can be undone. -- Joy [shallot] ( talk) 10:30, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
I heard about these Totus Opiniometar polls on Dnevnik HRT today, but our references to them were removed in this unexplained edit. Their web site is here. What's the reason for their removal? I found one blog post about it, but little else. -- Joy [shallot] ( talk) 22:23, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
We just had another minor scuffle now with Totus numbers which aren't comparable. I'm hoping it blows over... -- Joy [shallot] ( talk) 21:04, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
The endorsements section is a mess:
Also, the first and second rounds need to be better split, as the article appears confusing at the moment. "Analysis" and "Election night" sections relating to the first round would be better served preceding the second round campaign section. Chronological ordering of sections is easiest to follow.-- Thewanderer ( talk) 19:09, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
At the moment, the article uses both DMY and MDY formats. Per WP:DATES we should pick one of these formats and use it throughout. WP:DATES does not say which one, and personally I don't have any preferences... GregorB ( talk) 14:05, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
We're at 103 KB now, so it's clearly overdone :) I'm not sure if it makes more sense to single out some particular topic into a separate article, or just to start trimming excess details. -- Joy [shallot] ( talk) 14:06, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
I'm confused again. The news reports about the latest poll say that there is a 55.2:44.8 split in votes, but also say that there are 12.7 "neodluÄnih" (undecided). WTF? So are we really looking at:
Or are these 12.7% undecided about the turnout alone? If not, how come *everyone* else has made up their mind?! -- Joy [shallot] ( talk) 15:55, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
Oh and the poll is junk also because it predicts a 59% turnout - based on the historical trend that's near-impossible. Most of the first-round polls had a similar problem, noted by TV commentators at least a few times, and we should document that. -- Joy [shallot] ( talk) 15:59, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
The majority of polls (if not all of them) are limited to Croatia itself. However, there are 400,000 eligible voters outside of Croatia (9% of the electorate), out of which 60,000 participated in the first round (3% of first-round votes). There should probably be some mention of this, either in the polling section or elsewhere. I noticed this issue after seeing this Slobodna Dalmacija article.-- Thewanderer ( talk) 22:01, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
Incredibly (or not), only 4 out of 12 first-round candidates have images. Of those that are missing an image, something can be done quickly only for Škare-Ožbolt, because her web site has a Commons-compatible license (Sadržaji s ovih stranica mogu se prenositi bez dozvole uz navođenje izvora.). Others apparently require WP:PERMISSION. GregorB ( talk) 18:01, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
The early turnout data says there is a total of 4.088.798 voters. I figure that's the national number, and the rest is outside the borders. It did not change from the first round early turnout data. Can we assume that nothing will change in the expected voter numbers, or can something still move around? People who died or turned 18 in those two weeks? -- Joy [shallot] ( talk) 14:51, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
By what means is he far right? There is no far-right in Croatia like there is in EU (Jobbik, BNP, NPD, FPO, BZO,...). He is something like British UKIP, but without racist connections with are sometimes associated with UKIP. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.2.100.142 ( talk) 22:19, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
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