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I have removed the Palestinian Rocket Attacks on Israel section as it has no link to this page at all, and if anything is only further promoting a Pro-Israeli view on the situation by insinuating that Palestine were the only ones that attacked.
Why is 'the breaking of the ceasefire' camouflaged under the quaintly deflective "Dissolution"? That's like an article on E=MC2 being described under 'Einstein's Funeral'. Along with the terms of the ceasefire and the non-/compliance by the two parties, the 'Breaking' is part of the top-3 components. The entire flavour of this article has the effect of diluting Hamas' observance of the ceasefire, and burying Israels two violations thereof under a wealth of relative inconsequentials. I support the POV flag staying until cause-and-effect is reflected with appropriate balance. Erictheenquirer ( talk) 16:17, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
There seems to be no reason offered for the use of this deflective term. I am calling this spade a shovel and renaming the sub-section "Breaking of the Ceasefire and aftermath". 鈥斅燩receding unsigned comment added by Erictheenquirer ( talk 鈥 contribs) 07:58, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
There is some blatant own research original research? in the third-last paragraph under 'Security Agreements'. I intend to trim this to leave only portions that are RS or are also not original research?. Erictheenquirer ( talk) 10:58, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
In the text of the section "Breaking of the Ceasefire" a citation is made to Dr Robert Pastor using the word "allegation". This is not contained in the citation provided, which exclusively uses the verb 'said' or 'according to'. I have edited out this POV and reflected the actual reference wording. In addition the sequence of events between the 4 November Israeli invasion and the increase in Hamas rocket attacks, i.e. the cause-and-effect - is disturbingly and unnecessarily vague, and additionally uses a 'dead link' in support. I changed the sentence to reflect an active link, and to clarify that the Israeli attack came first. Erictheenquirer ( talk) 10:02, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
did some cleaning up, fixed the intro a little, fixed see also, and one WTA formulation, theres plenty more but this it for nao. Thanks!-- Cerejota ( talk) 00:54, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
This article contains seven charts/photographs:
This choice of charts/photographs is problematic because six of the seven document Gazan violence toward Israel, or, in the case of (5), are simply pro-Israeli. Only (4) above can be considered neutral, and according to this death toll chart, more Gazans than Israelis were killed during the time period covered in this article.
Some other, specific problems: The Berlin demo happened after the expiration of the Israel-Hamas ceasefire and so is outside the scope of this article; the maimed child photo is emotive; the photo of rocket remnants is from Sderot's collection dating back to October 2000, some eight years before the ceasefire.
Suggest the article's charts/photographs be fixed to comply with Wikipedia policies, namely neutral point of view and undue weight. Respectfully, RomaC ( talk) 12:08, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
Agreed. This article as is has a clear pro-Israel POV, and not only because of the charts posted. There must be more of an effort to represent both parties equally. For example, there is mention of "terrorists" in Gaza, but no mention of the "concentration camps" enforced by Israel, or something else of the like. Inflammatory, anti-Palestinian quotes should be removed, or additional quotes should be sourced and added which represent the opposing perspective. Cherry-picked quotes, while they may be verbatim, do not help create a neutral article. Ontogeny ( talk) 03:18, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
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The lead has unassigned attributes such as 'not fully', 'some', 'decrease' and 'not completely'. The fact that this wording is used in the cited NYT piece is not a justification. It also contains text that is not supported by the citation, such as 'Hamas hoped' and 'Israel hoped'. It fails to mention the obligations under the agreement. I suggest that the summary sub-section - "2008 Hamas-Israeli ceasefire" - of the article Gaza鈥揑srael conflict addresses these shortcomings and should be used here. Erictheenquirer ( talk) 12:10, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
Any comment from anyone soon? If not the texts go. Erictheenquirer ( talk) 09:00, 30 August 2014 (UTC) Since there have been no objections, I have started by removing Olmert's POV statements. Erictheenquirer ( talk) 14:56, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
Any comment from anyone soon? If not the texts go. Erictheenquirer ( talk) 09:02, 30 August 2014 (UTC) On further reflection, the biggest problem with the section "Ceasefire Issues" is that it is a random mix across three sub-sections of pre-agreement problems (West Bank or not; exclusions (Shalit release or not)), pre-November 4 violations of the ceasefire agreement by Gaza elements and by Israel, degree of compliance by Hamas with the terms, degree of compliance by Israel, unwarranted emphasis on Shalit (equal in text-space to the blockade (non)easing, a specific term of the ceasefire), disjointed timeline sequence, duplication of the following section, and disruptive insertions of third party reactions. Both this section and the subsequent one need to be recategorised and rearranged, edited, referenced and generally tidied up.
My suggestion would be:
Constructive critique welcomed. Erictheenquirer ( talk) 09:14, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
Given the lack of comment I intend (piece-by-piece) to dedraft the article along the following lines:
Erictheenquirer ( talk) 15:13, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
I've done some small edits to the introduction, but more cleanup is necessary. The opening paragraph rather blatantly does not maintain a neutral point of view. Also, the reference "Dr. David Morrison (2 March 2010). "The Israel-Hamas ceasefire of 19 June to 4 Nov. 2008" is not a WP:RS and needs to be removed. mikeman67 ( talk) 14:20, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
I would be particularly interested in your reason for reverting the statements by Mark Regev, since he is so copiously quoted in similar style in his defence of Israel. Are we to throw all of his statements out of Wiki? Erictheenquirer ( talk) 15:13, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
DePiep Erictheenquirer - I get that I'm wading into an explosive topic here, but the opening paragraphs seem to take the position that Israel violated the ceasefire and Hamas did not as if this is an undisputed fact. Here are some examples:
I take it from your edit history Erictheenquirer you are not a fan of Israel. That doesn't mean you can't edit these pages. But you need to be aware that the point of the project is to present information without editorializing. I tried to edit the page in a good faith attempt at improving it, so that it would have bare facts alone. If you don't like my edits, please explain why. mikeman67 ( talk) 21:37, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
@ Mikeman67:As counterpoint to the above, let us look at your recent activity. On 26 August this started off when you made a deletion, the 'Talk' justification for which was a series of claims of POV and not WP:RS, without giving factual support. In the process you also deleted the Regev acknowledgement with zero justification. Logically you were reverted. You subsequently admitted that you did so on an explosive topic. You then asked about the following:
I repeat, please address the issues in Talk before deleting. I would make the same plea @ Shrike: Erictheenquirer ( talk) 09:26, 27 August 2014 (UTC) @ Shrike:Shrike, for the second time, and notwithstanding the above request, you made the same revert, again without any Talk discussion. In addition while claiming (in the edit summary) justification that "using a Muslim Brotherhood web site is "Push POV"" without further elaboration or support, you also deleted material containing 4 other references. With these destructive tactics you are starting and edit war and spurning constructive discussion. Please stop. I have reverted you deletion based on zero justification for the entirety of your delete. Nonetheless I will alter the earliest text in your deletion and adopt that (see below). Erictheenquirer ( talk) 07:59, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
I could go on for the rest of the article but I hope you get the point. Please try your best to not editorialize, and stop reverting edits on the page. If you have problems with how the introduction now is, post here and we can discuss them. mikeman67 ( talk) 13:49, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
@ Mikeman67: Now let us look in detail at your motivations for your latest revert and your accusation that I 鈥渆ditorialise鈥:
Quote Mikeman67聽: 鈥淎gain, a Noam Chomsky website is not appropriate for this page鈥
Response: I provided two sources both of which supported this conclusion. You provided a POV. QED.
Since you have no further defence of your unsubstantiated claims of unreliability, or to your oversight of precise statements in the provided citations that Israel indeed broke the ceasefire (thus rendering your claim of 'editorialising' refuted), I will post a WP:3O. Erictheenquirer ( talk) 09:13, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
@ Kingsindian:Again, many thanks. I have a remaining problem - "minority" as a judgement criterium for appropriate weight. It depends on your cultural origin. Example: Netanyahu opinions are almost certainly 'majority' in the Western media; Meshaal's are a 'minority'. So what? They are leaders on an equal footing in the Hamas-Israel conflicts. I suspect (POV) that the reverse is true in the Palestinian/Syrian/Iranian press. The 'tyranny of the (subjective) majority' can quickly become a negative tool. I check the WP:RSN for the Carter Center and found only positive comments. Can I presume that I can therefore ignore Mikeman67's claim that the Center is unreliable as not being founded? Likewise I found that, given the publication of his political commentaries by a range of publishers, Chomsky is definitely WP:RS. Erictheenquirer ( talk) 12:21, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
Erictheenquirer - I think you may have a fundamental misunderstanding of how sources and attributions are used on Wikipedia. Just to refer to one specific point of yours, you said I forgot "it was Fatah whose militia were policing Gaza at the time. See the issue?" Please see Battle of Gaza (2007). Fatah was not in control of Gaza in 2008. I think the bigger issue here is that you are continually inserting your own opinion, cited to non-neutral sources that are authoritative to you on the topic. It's possible Morrison and Chomsky are correct in their arguments. But that's besides the point. This is an encyclopedia, not the op-ed section of a newspaper. As to Kingsindian's point, is it certainly not "a well known fact" that Israel violated the ceasefire, and of course not certain enough for an encyclopedia to write it as such. For example, read the the NY Times account of the 2008 raid, and you'll see how a typical news report does not render judgement on this question: [15]. If you wish to write a conclusion, you'll need to attribute that to the source that claims it, as well as a responding source. Finally, please stop telling me that the IDF's spokesperson/PMO/random pro-Israel site is not a reliable source. I would never write a WP article sourced there. If we were to cite those sources, I of course agree that the body of the text should say the source of those statements, and not merely as the source for a supposed fact. But you did not do the same when you quoted from a Muslim Brotherhood website without saying it was a Muslim Brotherhood claim. mikeman67 ( talk) 16:07, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
The Shalit issue was specifically not included in the June 2008 Ceasefire Agreement. What is this sub-section doing under this topic, other than to state the exclusion? It goes way beyond the just that. Erictheenquirer ( talk) 16:05, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
The first sentence of the final paragraph is not supported by the offered citation - "Ha'aretz has reported that Prime Minister Ehud Olmert privately considers his government's decision to link Shalit's release with the cease-fire to be a mistake, even though he has not said so publicly.[43]" In fact the Haaretz article makes it clear that the Shalit issue was a point of negotiation. I have therefore removed the sentence. Without it, the following sentence has no relation to the page topic, and as a result that too was removed.
The only Shalit relevance to the topic remaining is that his release was NOT included in the ceasefire as shown by an earlier citation. I therefore restate my query as to its relevance at all in this article. Erictheenquirer ( talk) 04:24, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
I have added a paragraph to the section "Ceasefire Terms", clarifying that the release of Shalit was not part of the agreement, that that the need for "movement" on this issue was required. With this all that remains is to document whether such talks did in fact take place. Once this is done, the the Gilad Shalit section should be removed as being redundant and/or out-of-topic. Erictheenquirer ( talk) 14:39, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
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I have encountered numerous cases of failed sources and have added 'citation needed', 'disputed' and 'failed verification' superscripts. I will leave them there for a while. The 'verification failed' text will be deleted after a few days. Erictheenquirer ( talk) 08:10, 14 July 2017 (UTC) The last phrase of the first paragraph of -Ceasefire Progress- "... in which every rocket and/or mortar attack would be punished in some way" is not present in the cited source. Erictheenquirer ( talk) 13:06, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
讬谞讬讘聽讛讜专讜谉聽( talk聽路 contribs) has reverted based on Chomsky being an unreliable source. He provides no evidence, only his subjective POV. This is a common feature in his reverts. I went to Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard where there are numerous discussions on Chomsky. A general conclusion is as in Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 159:
In fact there were numerous indications on the RS Noticeboard that Chomsky is more widely known for his commentaries on State terrorism and breaches of international codes and law than for his work on linguistics. Another points to his numerous books published by respected houses, mostly Henry Holt-Macmillan (one of the oldest publishers in the United States). Discussion revealed that he gains kudos for his "meticulous references and footnotes". In general he is considered to be RS when quoting historical happenings and record. He is also RS when stating opinions, but these need to be attributed. In the case in point, Chomsky was relating that during the period of the June 2008 ceasefire, Israel maintained its siege of Gaza; that on 4 November Israeli troops entered Gaza (this is an invasion by definition - see Collins: "Entry of a foreign army by force" - the IDF was not invited - it was not a decaffeinated "incident" - to be asked that an editor prove this, belongs to the "prove that the sky is blue" category); that the IDF killed 6 Hamas militants - all pertinent history with no opinion involved, and all in a single source. 讬谞讬讘 讛讜专讜谉 also totally ignored the fact that an accompanying source from Victoria Mason in a book by the highly reputable publishing house, Routledge, fully confirmed Chomsky's version. I therefore fail to see the basis for 讬谞讬讘 讛讜专讜谉's non-RS claim.' other than that Chomsky has been repeatedly highly critical of Israel. That of course is zero reason to revert based on non-RS. Please explain, 讬谞讬讘 讛讜专讜谉. If not, please cease this recurrent habit of 'fly-by' non-RS claims without justification. Erictheenquirer ( talk) 18:45, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
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I have removed the Palestinian Rocket Attacks on Israel section as it has no link to this page at all, and if anything is only further promoting a Pro-Israeli view on the situation by insinuating that Palestine were the only ones that attacked.
Why is 'the breaking of the ceasefire' camouflaged under the quaintly deflective "Dissolution"? That's like an article on E=MC2 being described under 'Einstein's Funeral'. Along with the terms of the ceasefire and the non-/compliance by the two parties, the 'Breaking' is part of the top-3 components. The entire flavour of this article has the effect of diluting Hamas' observance of the ceasefire, and burying Israels two violations thereof under a wealth of relative inconsequentials. I support the POV flag staying until cause-and-effect is reflected with appropriate balance. Erictheenquirer ( talk) 16:17, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
There seems to be no reason offered for the use of this deflective term. I am calling this spade a shovel and renaming the sub-section "Breaking of the Ceasefire and aftermath". 鈥斅燩receding unsigned comment added by Erictheenquirer ( talk 鈥 contribs) 07:58, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
There is some blatant own research original research? in the third-last paragraph under 'Security Agreements'. I intend to trim this to leave only portions that are RS or are also not original research?. Erictheenquirer ( talk) 10:58, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
In the text of the section "Breaking of the Ceasefire" a citation is made to Dr Robert Pastor using the word "allegation". This is not contained in the citation provided, which exclusively uses the verb 'said' or 'according to'. I have edited out this POV and reflected the actual reference wording. In addition the sequence of events between the 4 November Israeli invasion and the increase in Hamas rocket attacks, i.e. the cause-and-effect - is disturbingly and unnecessarily vague, and additionally uses a 'dead link' in support. I changed the sentence to reflect an active link, and to clarify that the Israeli attack came first. Erictheenquirer ( talk) 10:02, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
did some cleaning up, fixed the intro a little, fixed see also, and one WTA formulation, theres plenty more but this it for nao. Thanks!-- Cerejota ( talk) 00:54, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
This article contains seven charts/photographs:
This choice of charts/photographs is problematic because six of the seven document Gazan violence toward Israel, or, in the case of (5), are simply pro-Israeli. Only (4) above can be considered neutral, and according to this death toll chart, more Gazans than Israelis were killed during the time period covered in this article.
Some other, specific problems: The Berlin demo happened after the expiration of the Israel-Hamas ceasefire and so is outside the scope of this article; the maimed child photo is emotive; the photo of rocket remnants is from Sderot's collection dating back to October 2000, some eight years before the ceasefire.
Suggest the article's charts/photographs be fixed to comply with Wikipedia policies, namely neutral point of view and undue weight. Respectfully, RomaC ( talk) 12:08, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
Agreed. This article as is has a clear pro-Israel POV, and not only because of the charts posted. There must be more of an effort to represent both parties equally. For example, there is mention of "terrorists" in Gaza, but no mention of the "concentration camps" enforced by Israel, or something else of the like. Inflammatory, anti-Palestinian quotes should be removed, or additional quotes should be sourced and added which represent the opposing perspective. Cherry-picked quotes, while they may be verbatim, do not help create a neutral article. Ontogeny ( talk) 03:18, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
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The lead has unassigned attributes such as 'not fully', 'some', 'decrease' and 'not completely'. The fact that this wording is used in the cited NYT piece is not a justification. It also contains text that is not supported by the citation, such as 'Hamas hoped' and 'Israel hoped'. It fails to mention the obligations under the agreement. I suggest that the summary sub-section - "2008 Hamas-Israeli ceasefire" - of the article Gaza鈥揑srael conflict addresses these shortcomings and should be used here. Erictheenquirer ( talk) 12:10, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
Any comment from anyone soon? If not the texts go. Erictheenquirer ( talk) 09:00, 30 August 2014 (UTC) Since there have been no objections, I have started by removing Olmert's POV statements. Erictheenquirer ( talk) 14:56, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
Any comment from anyone soon? If not the texts go. Erictheenquirer ( talk) 09:02, 30 August 2014 (UTC) On further reflection, the biggest problem with the section "Ceasefire Issues" is that it is a random mix across three sub-sections of pre-agreement problems (West Bank or not; exclusions (Shalit release or not)), pre-November 4 violations of the ceasefire agreement by Gaza elements and by Israel, degree of compliance by Hamas with the terms, degree of compliance by Israel, unwarranted emphasis on Shalit (equal in text-space to the blockade (non)easing, a specific term of the ceasefire), disjointed timeline sequence, duplication of the following section, and disruptive insertions of third party reactions. Both this section and the subsequent one need to be recategorised and rearranged, edited, referenced and generally tidied up.
My suggestion would be:
Constructive critique welcomed. Erictheenquirer ( talk) 09:14, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
Given the lack of comment I intend (piece-by-piece) to dedraft the article along the following lines:
Erictheenquirer ( talk) 15:13, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
I've done some small edits to the introduction, but more cleanup is necessary. The opening paragraph rather blatantly does not maintain a neutral point of view. Also, the reference "Dr. David Morrison (2 March 2010). "The Israel-Hamas ceasefire of 19 June to 4 Nov. 2008" is not a WP:RS and needs to be removed. mikeman67 ( talk) 14:20, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
I would be particularly interested in your reason for reverting the statements by Mark Regev, since he is so copiously quoted in similar style in his defence of Israel. Are we to throw all of his statements out of Wiki? Erictheenquirer ( talk) 15:13, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
DePiep Erictheenquirer - I get that I'm wading into an explosive topic here, but the opening paragraphs seem to take the position that Israel violated the ceasefire and Hamas did not as if this is an undisputed fact. Here are some examples:
I take it from your edit history Erictheenquirer you are not a fan of Israel. That doesn't mean you can't edit these pages. But you need to be aware that the point of the project is to present information without editorializing. I tried to edit the page in a good faith attempt at improving it, so that it would have bare facts alone. If you don't like my edits, please explain why. mikeman67 ( talk) 21:37, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
@ Mikeman67:As counterpoint to the above, let us look at your recent activity. On 26 August this started off when you made a deletion, the 'Talk' justification for which was a series of claims of POV and not WP:RS, without giving factual support. In the process you also deleted the Regev acknowledgement with zero justification. Logically you were reverted. You subsequently admitted that you did so on an explosive topic. You then asked about the following:
I repeat, please address the issues in Talk before deleting. I would make the same plea @ Shrike: Erictheenquirer ( talk) 09:26, 27 August 2014 (UTC) @ Shrike:Shrike, for the second time, and notwithstanding the above request, you made the same revert, again without any Talk discussion. In addition while claiming (in the edit summary) justification that "using a Muslim Brotherhood web site is "Push POV"" without further elaboration or support, you also deleted material containing 4 other references. With these destructive tactics you are starting and edit war and spurning constructive discussion. Please stop. I have reverted you deletion based on zero justification for the entirety of your delete. Nonetheless I will alter the earliest text in your deletion and adopt that (see below). Erictheenquirer ( talk) 07:59, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
I could go on for the rest of the article but I hope you get the point. Please try your best to not editorialize, and stop reverting edits on the page. If you have problems with how the introduction now is, post here and we can discuss them. mikeman67 ( talk) 13:49, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
@ Mikeman67: Now let us look in detail at your motivations for your latest revert and your accusation that I 鈥渆ditorialise鈥:
Quote Mikeman67聽: 鈥淎gain, a Noam Chomsky website is not appropriate for this page鈥
Response: I provided two sources both of which supported this conclusion. You provided a POV. QED.
Since you have no further defence of your unsubstantiated claims of unreliability, or to your oversight of precise statements in the provided citations that Israel indeed broke the ceasefire (thus rendering your claim of 'editorialising' refuted), I will post a WP:3O. Erictheenquirer ( talk) 09:13, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
@ Kingsindian:Again, many thanks. I have a remaining problem - "minority" as a judgement criterium for appropriate weight. It depends on your cultural origin. Example: Netanyahu opinions are almost certainly 'majority' in the Western media; Meshaal's are a 'minority'. So what? They are leaders on an equal footing in the Hamas-Israel conflicts. I suspect (POV) that the reverse is true in the Palestinian/Syrian/Iranian press. The 'tyranny of the (subjective) majority' can quickly become a negative tool. I check the WP:RSN for the Carter Center and found only positive comments. Can I presume that I can therefore ignore Mikeman67's claim that the Center is unreliable as not being founded? Likewise I found that, given the publication of his political commentaries by a range of publishers, Chomsky is definitely WP:RS. Erictheenquirer ( talk) 12:21, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
Erictheenquirer - I think you may have a fundamental misunderstanding of how sources and attributions are used on Wikipedia. Just to refer to one specific point of yours, you said I forgot "it was Fatah whose militia were policing Gaza at the time. See the issue?" Please see Battle of Gaza (2007). Fatah was not in control of Gaza in 2008. I think the bigger issue here is that you are continually inserting your own opinion, cited to non-neutral sources that are authoritative to you on the topic. It's possible Morrison and Chomsky are correct in their arguments. But that's besides the point. This is an encyclopedia, not the op-ed section of a newspaper. As to Kingsindian's point, is it certainly not "a well known fact" that Israel violated the ceasefire, and of course not certain enough for an encyclopedia to write it as such. For example, read the the NY Times account of the 2008 raid, and you'll see how a typical news report does not render judgement on this question: [15]. If you wish to write a conclusion, you'll need to attribute that to the source that claims it, as well as a responding source. Finally, please stop telling me that the IDF's spokesperson/PMO/random pro-Israel site is not a reliable source. I would never write a WP article sourced there. If we were to cite those sources, I of course agree that the body of the text should say the source of those statements, and not merely as the source for a supposed fact. But you did not do the same when you quoted from a Muslim Brotherhood website without saying it was a Muslim Brotherhood claim. mikeman67 ( talk) 16:07, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
The Shalit issue was specifically not included in the June 2008 Ceasefire Agreement. What is this sub-section doing under this topic, other than to state the exclusion? It goes way beyond the just that. Erictheenquirer ( talk) 16:05, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
The first sentence of the final paragraph is not supported by the offered citation - "Ha'aretz has reported that Prime Minister Ehud Olmert privately considers his government's decision to link Shalit's release with the cease-fire to be a mistake, even though he has not said so publicly.[43]" In fact the Haaretz article makes it clear that the Shalit issue was a point of negotiation. I have therefore removed the sentence. Without it, the following sentence has no relation to the page topic, and as a result that too was removed.
The only Shalit relevance to the topic remaining is that his release was NOT included in the ceasefire as shown by an earlier citation. I therefore restate my query as to its relevance at all in this article. Erictheenquirer ( talk) 04:24, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
I have added a paragraph to the section "Ceasefire Terms", clarifying that the release of Shalit was not part of the agreement, that that the need for "movement" on this issue was required. With this all that remains is to document whether such talks did in fact take place. Once this is done, the the Gilad Shalit section should be removed as being redundant and/or out-of-topic. Erictheenquirer ( talk) 14:39, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
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I have encountered numerous cases of failed sources and have added 'citation needed', 'disputed' and 'failed verification' superscripts. I will leave them there for a while. The 'verification failed' text will be deleted after a few days. Erictheenquirer ( talk) 08:10, 14 July 2017 (UTC) The last phrase of the first paragraph of -Ceasefire Progress- "... in which every rocket and/or mortar attack would be punished in some way" is not present in the cited source. Erictheenquirer ( talk) 13:06, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
讬谞讬讘聽讛讜专讜谉聽( talk聽路 contribs) has reverted based on Chomsky being an unreliable source. He provides no evidence, only his subjective POV. This is a common feature in his reverts. I went to Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard where there are numerous discussions on Chomsky. A general conclusion is as in Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 159:
In fact there were numerous indications on the RS Noticeboard that Chomsky is more widely known for his commentaries on State terrorism and breaches of international codes and law than for his work on linguistics. Another points to his numerous books published by respected houses, mostly Henry Holt-Macmillan (one of the oldest publishers in the United States). Discussion revealed that he gains kudos for his "meticulous references and footnotes". In general he is considered to be RS when quoting historical happenings and record. He is also RS when stating opinions, but these need to be attributed. In the case in point, Chomsky was relating that during the period of the June 2008 ceasefire, Israel maintained its siege of Gaza; that on 4 November Israeli troops entered Gaza (this is an invasion by definition - see Collins: "Entry of a foreign army by force" - the IDF was not invited - it was not a decaffeinated "incident" - to be asked that an editor prove this, belongs to the "prove that the sky is blue" category); that the IDF killed 6 Hamas militants - all pertinent history with no opinion involved, and all in a single source. 讬谞讬讘 讛讜专讜谉 also totally ignored the fact that an accompanying source from Victoria Mason in a book by the highly reputable publishing house, Routledge, fully confirmed Chomsky's version. I therefore fail to see the basis for 讬谞讬讘 讛讜专讜谉's non-RS claim.' other than that Chomsky has been repeatedly highly critical of Israel. That of course is zero reason to revert based on non-RS. Please explain, 讬谞讬讘 讛讜专讜谉. If not, please cease this recurrent habit of 'fly-by' non-RS claims without justification. Erictheenquirer ( talk) 18:45, 22 June 2018 (UTC)