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It would be interesting to know if his newly-wed wife has been infected, since she is the person that has been most exposed. If not, then this isn't much of a scare.-- 200.14.108.1 20:12, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Does this really belong on the Main Page? Even if the article were more than start class, I don't think it has enough world-wide interest to merit that. At the very least, the article needs to improve signficantly. If exposure on the main page for more than 24 hours does not allow that, then this topic should be taken off of ITN. -- mav 03:29, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
Nonsense removed
74.232.226.191 04:07, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
I think it is of worldwide interest since it underscores just how frail our( that is the global community) ability to contain a contagion is. He may have been an American, but if he had had a more contagious disease we would have had nearly no way to stop it. 71.109.121.46 19:51, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
His bio and photo at atlantadivorce.poweradvocates.com per wsbtv -- 195.78.245.135 10:11, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
There's no current info on whether the Italian health authorities were informed of his presence and diagnosis and in any case, what reponse they have made to this crisis. If they hadn't been informed, I would presume they would be rather pissed off Nil Einne 10:47, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
I think a timeline would be informative. Details are in the NYT in the article http://travel.nytimes.com/2007/06/02/health/02tick.html?adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1181099188-1LqPLHpjgK15PPXsYft3ZA but I think I've seen a timeline sidebar show up in google. Mulp 03:15, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
The only reason we someone would like to know the exact flights is to see if they were on it, and I don't think tertiary sources like Wikipedia can be used as a source for information on something as serious as this. Maybe it should just be a reference to the website that provided the information, Jeffrey.Kleykamp 15:25, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
In a recent CNN article: http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/conditions/06/01/tb.flight/index.html
This person has a strange habit of putting the blame on other people.
"I had one shot, and that was going to be in Denver," at the National Jewish Medical and Research Center, which specializes in treating drug-resistant forms of TB. If he was somewhere else and was not given the exact right mixture of drugs, he said, "That was it, they blew my last shot."
"I am very sorry for your fear, and putting you at risk. I don't expect those people to ever forgive me,"
Andrew Speaker should be in the cell next to Paris Hilton... indefinitely!!!!!! Most normal people would put off their wedding plans if they have a dangerous disease. Some people need to have it all at the expense of others. This is why we have laws.
What has struck me is the seemingly contradictory attitude Speaker had towards the seriousness of his illness. On the one hand he says he was under the impression that he was not contagious and not in danger, yet, he also says he had already planned to go to get treatment in Denver after his trip because it was his "one shot" and that was his justification for disobeying the CDC and sneaking out of Italy back to the US. Maybe it's just me, but if you know your disease is one that requires treatment at one and only one facility as your "one shot" wouldn't that imply a serious condition? and one that would not encourage you to leave the country of your "one shot?" DejitaruMusouka
Actually this is the "discussion" page. Sorry if you disagree.
I made a change that includes Speakers claim that he was not offered transport back from Italy. The article had previously stated simply that he "declined transport back from Italy," but this is only according to the CDC. Speaker says that he was never offered any such transport, and that if offered, he would have taken it.
Can we get more info, either here or on the CDC article, about the quarantine situation in 1963? -- Golbez 21:55, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
As the article on extensively drug-resistant tuberculosis describes fairly well, this disease has been spreading unchecked throughout the world. For every one traveller picked out for special quarantine there must be a thousand who are undiagnosed. Even this person apparently has been wandering around with the infection since January, and while I don't doubt the horrors of recirculated air I have a hard time imagining he was all that many times more dangerous on the plane than on the ground. So why are the television news outlets giving more time to this guy than to the Iraq War? Mike Serfas 23:51, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
Another user wrote, "See refs. CDC tests confirmed XDR-TB." Read the transcript. Nowhere does the CDC say the man has XDR-TB. The media, in its questions, says this. Dr. Geberding never says the patient has XDR-TB and also notes specifically, "I can't comment on the particulars of this patient's medical condition." The opening statement from Geberding also notes, "an individual with drug resistant tuberculosis may have served as a source of exposure." The CDC statements are conditional; they're not conclusive.
To conclude here that the man has XDR-TB is potentially libelous -- worse, it's libel per se, which could subject Wikipedia to greater damages. To say that "the media has reported he has XDR-TB" or that "he allegedly has XDR-TB" is not libelous. But the CDC reference most specifically does not say he has XDR-TB. 71.246.1.193 23:56, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
why is this article called a "scare"? It should be a "crisis" or something to that effect, a "scare" leads one to believe there was no real danger, and there definitely was. Judgesurreal777 05:53, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
Is there any word on how he happened to contract TB? I've seen no reference to that in the various articles I've seen. Thanks -- Jolomo 20:37, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
It's not as if this is the only TB scare worldwide in 2007. Loganberry ( Talk) 11:18, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Should we add anything about his background (family, professional)? Seems appropriate now that his father-in-law is also in the news (is there a separate article for the father-in-law). I wanted to add that he is a graduate of the University of Georgia and other professional information but wasn't sure if it was appropriate. 76.198.144.137 16:58, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Those who like to lump things into catch-all articles like this are hurting Wikipedia. For instance, I was trying to find Mr. Speaker's age earlier today and came to Wikipedia knowing this type of basic info is usually here. But no, someone thought notability wasn't high enough for this guy to have his own article, and made Andrew Speaker a redir to here. The result: I had to trawl about 10 newspaper articles before finding his age... Wikipedia's strength is its ability to be a compendium of everything. Let's play to our strength. Forget these "notability" requirements. If it's notable enough for somebody to want to type it up, it's notable enough. JDG 17:05, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Does "infamy" count as "notable"? He has certainly experienced public reproach. This is notable. And there's nothing stopping you from writing an article yourself. Articles don't write themselves.
This page says Speaker is the second person detained since 1963, whereas the other one says first. Which is correct?
I find the following to appear highly POV and prejudice:
"Speaker should be noted as an extremely selfish and malicious man that willingly put thousands of innoncent men, women, and children at risk of dying for his own personal comfort. Speaker's step-father, a prominent member of the CDC, was well informed of the definite threat this episode posed and advised his son to seek medical attention immediately, however, Speaker decided to kill thousands of innocent people to possibly save his own life."
Such accusations and labeling is ridiculous. We don't even make such blanket statements against serial killers for godsakes. Spudst3r 07:31, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
In this article, it says that he is the second to be detained by the CRC since 1963. However, in the article that bares his name, it says he is the first to be detained. -- 205.133.240.254 14:03, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
According to the wikipedia policy WP:BLP#Articles_about_living_people_notable_only_for_one_event, The bare fact that someone has been in the news does not in itself imply that they should be the subject of an encyclopedia entry.But the fact is,he is notable because he is the first man quarantined by the United States since 1963, and that he has a rare form of drug resistant tuberculosis,not just because people talked about him.Wikipedia is full of articles of people who are tied to just single events, and so it did not even make sense to target the Andrew Speaker article anyways. Rodrigue 15:16, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
In some cases, we keep articles even about non-notable subjects if there is a consensus to ignore notability. But in the case of a living person, WP:BLP, a policy, is paramount. I invite you or someone else to re-redirect Andrew Speaker to this page. (I don't want to do it because I've already done it once.) Pan Dan 17:09, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
The phrase "involuntary isolation" in the introduction was followed by the word and wikilink quarantine. This word was removed, with the edit comment "not quarantine". The Merriam-Webster dictionary online defines "quarantine" as
which seems to me to describe the situation. If there are no objections within 24 hours, I will re-add the word. BrainyBabe 16:53, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
This statement sounds highly POV to me, especially given the lack of citations.
One strong opinion in the public is that Andrew Speaker is a selfish individual who does not care about the rest of society because he could have infected thousands of others around the world at the airport and on the several commercial planes he was on with a nearly untreatable, deadly form of tuberculosis.
Any thoughts/inputs? -- PeanutCheeseBar 19:44, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
The article is extremely biased. The last paragraph sounds like a rant against the CDC. Further, it does not discuss his fathers role as a researcher in drug resistant TB (and therefore knowledgable of it transmissability), or his motivations for recording tape recordings of other indiciduals.
Nobody ever mentioned how he get from Thira island to Mykonos island. If he went with the local boats then we are talking about 3 hours trip with more than 300 people... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.202.148.89 ( talk) 09:28, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
I have removed User:Lawdwg's
edit of 04:35, 6 February 2009.
The text added to the article in that edit and removed by me was completely un-sourced, biased and appeared to have been copied verbatim from Speaker's lawsuit against the CDC et. al.:
Deleted edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=2007_tuberculosis_scare&oldid=268854279
Thanks- Snozzwanger ( talk) 03:17, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
...bloody hell. Having reviewed the policies listed, and the reasoning here, I have to agree with Snozzwanger's action. *kicks self* DeMatt ( talk) 09:04, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
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It would be interesting to know if his newly-wed wife has been infected, since she is the person that has been most exposed. If not, then this isn't much of a scare.-- 200.14.108.1 20:12, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Does this really belong on the Main Page? Even if the article were more than start class, I don't think it has enough world-wide interest to merit that. At the very least, the article needs to improve signficantly. If exposure on the main page for more than 24 hours does not allow that, then this topic should be taken off of ITN. -- mav 03:29, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
Nonsense removed
74.232.226.191 04:07, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
I think it is of worldwide interest since it underscores just how frail our( that is the global community) ability to contain a contagion is. He may have been an American, but if he had had a more contagious disease we would have had nearly no way to stop it. 71.109.121.46 19:51, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
His bio and photo at atlantadivorce.poweradvocates.com per wsbtv -- 195.78.245.135 10:11, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
There's no current info on whether the Italian health authorities were informed of his presence and diagnosis and in any case, what reponse they have made to this crisis. If they hadn't been informed, I would presume they would be rather pissed off Nil Einne 10:47, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
I think a timeline would be informative. Details are in the NYT in the article http://travel.nytimes.com/2007/06/02/health/02tick.html?adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1181099188-1LqPLHpjgK15PPXsYft3ZA but I think I've seen a timeline sidebar show up in google. Mulp 03:15, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
The only reason we someone would like to know the exact flights is to see if they were on it, and I don't think tertiary sources like Wikipedia can be used as a source for information on something as serious as this. Maybe it should just be a reference to the website that provided the information, Jeffrey.Kleykamp 15:25, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
In a recent CNN article: http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/conditions/06/01/tb.flight/index.html
This person has a strange habit of putting the blame on other people.
"I had one shot, and that was going to be in Denver," at the National Jewish Medical and Research Center, which specializes in treating drug-resistant forms of TB. If he was somewhere else and was not given the exact right mixture of drugs, he said, "That was it, they blew my last shot."
"I am very sorry for your fear, and putting you at risk. I don't expect those people to ever forgive me,"
Andrew Speaker should be in the cell next to Paris Hilton... indefinitely!!!!!! Most normal people would put off their wedding plans if they have a dangerous disease. Some people need to have it all at the expense of others. This is why we have laws.
What has struck me is the seemingly contradictory attitude Speaker had towards the seriousness of his illness. On the one hand he says he was under the impression that he was not contagious and not in danger, yet, he also says he had already planned to go to get treatment in Denver after his trip because it was his "one shot" and that was his justification for disobeying the CDC and sneaking out of Italy back to the US. Maybe it's just me, but if you know your disease is one that requires treatment at one and only one facility as your "one shot" wouldn't that imply a serious condition? and one that would not encourage you to leave the country of your "one shot?" DejitaruMusouka
Actually this is the "discussion" page. Sorry if you disagree.
I made a change that includes Speakers claim that he was not offered transport back from Italy. The article had previously stated simply that he "declined transport back from Italy," but this is only according to the CDC. Speaker says that he was never offered any such transport, and that if offered, he would have taken it.
Can we get more info, either here or on the CDC article, about the quarantine situation in 1963? -- Golbez 21:55, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
As the article on extensively drug-resistant tuberculosis describes fairly well, this disease has been spreading unchecked throughout the world. For every one traveller picked out for special quarantine there must be a thousand who are undiagnosed. Even this person apparently has been wandering around with the infection since January, and while I don't doubt the horrors of recirculated air I have a hard time imagining he was all that many times more dangerous on the plane than on the ground. So why are the television news outlets giving more time to this guy than to the Iraq War? Mike Serfas 23:51, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
Another user wrote, "See refs. CDC tests confirmed XDR-TB." Read the transcript. Nowhere does the CDC say the man has XDR-TB. The media, in its questions, says this. Dr. Geberding never says the patient has XDR-TB and also notes specifically, "I can't comment on the particulars of this patient's medical condition." The opening statement from Geberding also notes, "an individual with drug resistant tuberculosis may have served as a source of exposure." The CDC statements are conditional; they're not conclusive.
To conclude here that the man has XDR-TB is potentially libelous -- worse, it's libel per se, which could subject Wikipedia to greater damages. To say that "the media has reported he has XDR-TB" or that "he allegedly has XDR-TB" is not libelous. But the CDC reference most specifically does not say he has XDR-TB. 71.246.1.193 23:56, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
why is this article called a "scare"? It should be a "crisis" or something to that effect, a "scare" leads one to believe there was no real danger, and there definitely was. Judgesurreal777 05:53, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
Is there any word on how he happened to contract TB? I've seen no reference to that in the various articles I've seen. Thanks -- Jolomo 20:37, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
It's not as if this is the only TB scare worldwide in 2007. Loganberry ( Talk) 11:18, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Should we add anything about his background (family, professional)? Seems appropriate now that his father-in-law is also in the news (is there a separate article for the father-in-law). I wanted to add that he is a graduate of the University of Georgia and other professional information but wasn't sure if it was appropriate. 76.198.144.137 16:58, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Those who like to lump things into catch-all articles like this are hurting Wikipedia. For instance, I was trying to find Mr. Speaker's age earlier today and came to Wikipedia knowing this type of basic info is usually here. But no, someone thought notability wasn't high enough for this guy to have his own article, and made Andrew Speaker a redir to here. The result: I had to trawl about 10 newspaper articles before finding his age... Wikipedia's strength is its ability to be a compendium of everything. Let's play to our strength. Forget these "notability" requirements. If it's notable enough for somebody to want to type it up, it's notable enough. JDG 17:05, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Does "infamy" count as "notable"? He has certainly experienced public reproach. This is notable. And there's nothing stopping you from writing an article yourself. Articles don't write themselves.
This page says Speaker is the second person detained since 1963, whereas the other one says first. Which is correct?
I find the following to appear highly POV and prejudice:
"Speaker should be noted as an extremely selfish and malicious man that willingly put thousands of innoncent men, women, and children at risk of dying for his own personal comfort. Speaker's step-father, a prominent member of the CDC, was well informed of the definite threat this episode posed and advised his son to seek medical attention immediately, however, Speaker decided to kill thousands of innocent people to possibly save his own life."
Such accusations and labeling is ridiculous. We don't even make such blanket statements against serial killers for godsakes. Spudst3r 07:31, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
In this article, it says that he is the second to be detained by the CRC since 1963. However, in the article that bares his name, it says he is the first to be detained. -- 205.133.240.254 14:03, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
According to the wikipedia policy WP:BLP#Articles_about_living_people_notable_only_for_one_event, The bare fact that someone has been in the news does not in itself imply that they should be the subject of an encyclopedia entry.But the fact is,he is notable because he is the first man quarantined by the United States since 1963, and that he has a rare form of drug resistant tuberculosis,not just because people talked about him.Wikipedia is full of articles of people who are tied to just single events, and so it did not even make sense to target the Andrew Speaker article anyways. Rodrigue 15:16, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
In some cases, we keep articles even about non-notable subjects if there is a consensus to ignore notability. But in the case of a living person, WP:BLP, a policy, is paramount. I invite you or someone else to re-redirect Andrew Speaker to this page. (I don't want to do it because I've already done it once.) Pan Dan 17:09, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
The phrase "involuntary isolation" in the introduction was followed by the word and wikilink quarantine. This word was removed, with the edit comment "not quarantine". The Merriam-Webster dictionary online defines "quarantine" as
which seems to me to describe the situation. If there are no objections within 24 hours, I will re-add the word. BrainyBabe 16:53, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
This statement sounds highly POV to me, especially given the lack of citations.
One strong opinion in the public is that Andrew Speaker is a selfish individual who does not care about the rest of society because he could have infected thousands of others around the world at the airport and on the several commercial planes he was on with a nearly untreatable, deadly form of tuberculosis.
Any thoughts/inputs? -- PeanutCheeseBar 19:44, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
The article is extremely biased. The last paragraph sounds like a rant against the CDC. Further, it does not discuss his fathers role as a researcher in drug resistant TB (and therefore knowledgable of it transmissability), or his motivations for recording tape recordings of other indiciduals.
Nobody ever mentioned how he get from Thira island to Mykonos island. If he went with the local boats then we are talking about 3 hours trip with more than 300 people... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.202.148.89 ( talk) 09:28, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
I have removed User:Lawdwg's
edit of 04:35, 6 February 2009.
The text added to the article in that edit and removed by me was completely un-sourced, biased and appeared to have been copied verbatim from Speaker's lawsuit against the CDC et. al.:
Deleted edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=2007_tuberculosis_scare&oldid=268854279
Thanks- Snozzwanger ( talk) 03:17, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
...bloody hell. Having reviewed the policies listed, and the reasoning here, I have to agree with Snozzwanger's action. *kicks self* DeMatt ( talk) 09:04, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
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